DO NOT BUY A CAR WITH THIS ENGINE - PEUGEOT PURETECH ENGINE

Hello, welcome back to the channel. Today we are going to talk about the persio citran PSA 1.2 pure Tech

engine

fitted to numerous numbers of perso citrons around 2012 onwards but also fitted to several other cars including many of the volols. range also now the reason for

this

video is for me as a dealer to highlight what the problems are with

this

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that you may not know about and it's really important because like I said this engine is in a lot of vehicles like me. said in the perso citen and volol ranks and it is now becoming widely known that it seems to have a lot of problems and faults, so that is not the trade that I have known for several years and that I have seen first hand and that is one of the reasons why as a car dealer I will not buy any vehicle equipped with that engine, so let's talk about what the problems are, what you should look out for, and if you own one, what you can try. and we will do this to minimize any problems in the future, so let's first talk about the engine itself and the history behind it and why it came about now.

The engine came out in 2012 and was launched in the cita C3 and then the Persio 208, but then continued. to go into almost every other persio citran and ds in the range and then the vox hols, the engine was designed to be a replacement for the old persio citan tu engine which had been around for over 30 years and was a decent engine. unreliable engine, but it was getting a little better and was struggling to comply with new legislation regarding emissions and fuel efficiency and obviously never managed to get into the right tax bans or to save on road tax, so A new engine was designed and born. and it came out in 2012, first of all in the cita C3, it came out in 1 liter 998 cc petrol and also in a 1.2 variant.

Both were normally aspirated, however they designed turbocharged versions of the 1.2 version which would later be fitted to virtually all Peio Citen and Voxo ranges and with the turbo charger installed the power increased dramatically from around 68 horsepower in the 1 liter the 1.2 around 70 to 80 horsepower depending on the version you bought with the turbocharged two versions that pumped it Up to 155 brake on some of the Mator brands. Now this engine was extremely light, as it had three cylinders, making it extremely efficient. Great on emissions which means you also got a cheap roax and overall sounds like a great idea as it is very fuel efficient. small powerful engine that is cheap to tax and run, however you also need reliability and this is where this engine, the particular 1.2 that we are going to talk about, seems to fall down now, the Pgee Pure Tech Engine on that came out in the early days, especially in the citran C3 and 208, they eventually faded away and basically the 1.2 is the main thing we are going to talk about today, anyway they are both pretty much the same engines, but like I said, not the one liter. they have a great lifespan, they are both now the staple across the persio citran and voxhall range now we didn't hear much in the motor sector during the first few years this engine was launched, note that the ones in these cars are They will be stuck with the dealerships they are serviced based on fleet or leasing etc. so they will go back to the main agents where they will be looked after and looked after, so in those first few days you won't find them. too much information about what is happening if there is any fault and let's be honest these are new engines it is a fact that there will be T problems that will be fixed and the main agents will realize what they report.

We go back to the engineers and they must come up with ideas and ways to fix the engine. Vault search service bulletins, etc., to try to fix any problems with a new launch engine, that's just a fact, however, it's one thing to be able to come up. with the Bullington service and rectifying the problems as you go, with little minor things here and there, but if there is a real fundamental design floor with the engine, then you will have a major problem to try to rectify the problems basically without going back to the table of drawing, which is hugely expensive for the manufacturers, move forward a few years later and these engines are now starting to come out of warranty and we're already into 2016 2017 when we start hearing things as dealers that things weren't quite right with this 1.2 engine.

We started hearing reports of dealers buying them. They had problems basically with C Bel failures. They had problems with smoked engines. The engines used too much oil. extremely expensive to rectify most of the time we need a new engine and it is also something I was witnessing in 2017. I started receiving numerous quantities of 208 c3s in particular, particularly the Miley ones, maybe something like 60 70,000 M more, Although I had low mileage ones with the same problems and they also have problems in particular with a kind of smoky engine, so when you try to rev them to pass the emissions test etc., they were absolute.

It was emitting smoke and you could see that they were burning oil. Customers were complaining about oil consumption problems, cars arrived with oil lights on, pressure faults and even vehicles showed up with Cam Bel faults as well. So what are the main issues you should pay attention to to detect problems with these engines? Well, we've already touched on them. We've already looked at them, but let's look at them. The first is oil consumption, so the engine is basically using too much oil. The engine must be refilled with oil between regular services. The vehicle should now be serviced between 10 and 12,000 Mi, although some specialists do this.

Now I say you should change it a lot sooner but the manufacturer recommends 10-12,000 Mi but what seems to be happening with these engines is people are reporting the mass but they have to keep putting too much oil in the vehicle are you? surpassing? Constantly, which is not really normal, engines use a little bit of oil, especially when they get very high mileage, but when you get an engine with 20 or 30,000 miles on it, in some cases only a few years use oil that is not a good sign, in fact, not much is supposed to be happening now.

Pur quote, they say the engine should use about 250 milliliters of oil, but obviously about 000 miles, that's the kind of upper limit they're putting. Now I doubt that was the case when the engineers designed that engine, but that's the position they're taking now, anything less than 250m per thousand miles is acceptable, more or less downwards, that's basically 1 liter per thousand miles. 10,000 miles, which is quite a bit. a little excessive in my opinion, not a disaster by any means but that's quite a bit, however many people report that they are using a lot more oil than this guide, in fact there are many people who report that you are using up to a kind of a quart of oil every thousand miles, which is a lot more than an engine should use and by the way, these are vehicles with less than 100,000 miles, we are talking about engines that did 50 or in some cases only 40,000 miles that suffer with this. oil consumption now there are two reasons for this, the first, which is the least common, but it is always necessary to check, they suffer with a PCV valve that can fail, it is a small kind of orange diaphragm that is located inside the rock of a gasket, now these can actually fail and cause excessive oil consumption, so it is always worth checking.

They're actually very cheap and easy to replace, and if you have an engine that uses too much oil, I'd definitely go check that first. and replace it like I said, it's not too expensive to fix now, although replacing that PCV valve can help with some of the oil consumption and in some cases may fix the problem, it's definitely not the main culprit behind the oil consumption with these engines, in fact, the main culprit has to do with the piston rings, has now been widely reported by people in the mechanical sector. I have seen first hand conversations with Persio Cirum mechanics and also customers who have spoken to dealers and have come back and been told that the problem is due to the piston rings, but the engine seems to have a fundamental problem where indeed the rings are failing too prematurely and allowing oil to pass through the rings themselves and that is effectively burning all the oil now when they get really bad, real engines can start smoking and I have seen it first hand, of course.

In fact, just a few weeks ago again, I went around the corner to my local garage to pick up another one and there was a Vox all grandland that is equipped. with the same pure Tech 1.2 engine and I was talking to the mechanic there talking about the engine, all the problems with them, and he was agreeing with me and saying yes, they are basically a bunch of rubbish, as we nickname it in the trade . call them pure junk engines, not pure technology and while we were having this conversation and basically talking about the customer bringing this vehicle in and saying he was using too much oil, the next thing you know the engine started smoking out of nowhere. randomly and basically clogging up the entire garage with smoke and this was an 18 plate car with about 50,000 Mi on and it's basically doomed now this is the kind of thing that's happening over time like I said oil consumption , smoking engines, however, is not so. it ends there because these engines also suffer from oil clogging problems, that is where basically the engine becomes clogged with very thick gummy oil and that is caused by the effective failure of the wet belt or C-belt system and basically the holes are removed rubber on the belt and get stuck. into the oil valves and the oil passages and the oil pickup, clogging the engine and effectively destroying it, causing oil pressure problems and can even cause braking problems, where you effectively lose all the brakes and you heard me right when I said wet belt. yes, the pure Tech engine cited by people shares a common component with Ford's ecoboost engine, the 1 liter eco boost engine uses a wet belt and so does the 1.2 pure Tech engine.

There is a theme here, these wet strap systems are in my opinion absolutely terrible designs. I don't know who came up with the idea. Basically, a few engineers got together from Persio and Ford and thought, let's start making engines with these wet belts. They're garbage, they basically just fall apart. oil, oil and rubber is not a good mix and like the Ford EcoBoost they just tear the belts and it all ends up in the crankcase, getting into all the oil passages, clogging and destroying the engine. Don't get me wrong if you service these engines properly and use the correct oil, you will minimize wet belt deterioration.

However, I have seen numerous accounts and seen people first hand that they have only gone to perso citran full service history, everything was done on time, I used all the correct parts and still. I have had problems with wet belts, they basically destroy themselves and in some cases completely fail the engine, so don't think that if you service them regularly you are immune to this problem. I've seen it first hand, trust me, they still go wrong, you'll minimize it. Of course, the service will help, but it will not eradicate the problem. In my opinion, there is a fundamental design flaw in these wet belt motors.

They are simply not up to the task. Now the wet belt system originally used on these P cidras was supposed to be changed every 112,000 Mi, although some specialists now say it should be changed every 60,000 Mi and 6 years due to premature wear and that is something I will definitely agree with. agree, however, unlike the Ford EcoBoost wet belt system, this is not the case. It's not necessarily that bad with this 1.2 wet belt system because they are very easy to check and examine, in fact you can even check and examine them yourself, it's very easy to do and they are actually quite cheap to replace.

In fact I got a quote the other day for a pure Citon Tech PUO 1.2 to have a c changed at the main agents and it was only £500 with genuine parts fitted so they are actually a lot cheaper than e.g. , have your belt chains wet on a 1ler EcoBoost, which probably costs one and a half to two thousand dollars to have it done at the dealer, which is a huge reduction on the F because it's absolutely buried in the engine, at least on this one pgee citran pure Tech Engine, the belts are in the conventional. put it on the left side of the engine if you open the accessible hood it's no different than actually changing a normal C Bel it's just submerged in oil so at least like I said they are very cheap to replace so in practice If you are going to buy one, I will make sure the strap is changed and I would certainly change it much sooner.

Doing so will solve the problem of basically the motor clogging up and having problems with basically the belt failing. and cause engine damage, so that's at least a positive thing and,like I said you can inspect them yourself, basically take the oil cap off and you can see the actual wet belt, you can see where it is, there are even tools you can buy to test the actual belt and see how much movement or play there is in the belt, but You can actually physically examine it, it's easy to see if you see any cracks or deterioration or anything like bits of material coming off or it looks frayed, that belt needs to be replaced, so at least that's a good thing, you can expect the belt be easy to see, you can keep an eye on it in the future, so as you mentioned above, I won't be buying vehicles equipped with this. 1.2 Pure Tech Engine now you could say well Lee why don't you change the belts on each one and then I have nothing to worry about, it's not particularly expensive, if it only costs £500 to do it at the main agents we could do it for a fraction of the price, in fact, it is not difficult to change most of the conventional ones.

C belts you would do anyway, well yeah that would be great if that was the only problem. Basically, we basically buy them and just say look, unless they have documentation that they have been recently changed, just change each one of them. your price and you can sell them and you can probably include that in the price when you sell it too and the confidence that someone is buying a car that had the belt replaced and not to worry, well that would be great, like I said, it's not The only problem is to return to the others that we mentioned above: oil consumption and also smoky engines.

There is no way to know when I buy one of these cars at auction, even if the belts have been replaced, if there is a problem with using too much oil. The way you'll know is by running it over a period of time and if you sold it to a customer and they come back to you 6-8 months later saying that he's using a lot of oil even then. There's a chance that fault was already there when they bought the vehicle which could mean I have to get involved now to fix or repair it and like I said, most of the time when you do this you basically need a new one. engine if you are using a lot more oil than the recommended amount and then you also have the smoking problem, you can buy an engine that is running well and then all of a sudden it starts smoking sporadically, which I have seen happen often and I trust.

To me they just seem to get worse and again you will never be able to rectify it without replacing the motor unit and that is the main reason I won't buy them because like I said you don't want to sell one. and you end up getting a phone call 6 months later saying it's burning oil or using too much oil, what are you going to do about it? It's a real shame because they are fitted to some really fantastic small cars and sadly this engine seems to be finding its way into other vehicles too now in a sort of Fiat and also into some of the Jeep products because it is integrated into the group perso citen , the stellantis group that owns citen PUO Opel voxal Fiat in a large conglomerate, but what if it has already done it?

I bought one of these vehicles. Well, like I said, make sure you check the belt properly. Make sure they check it properly. If they never replaced the belt. It would not be working with the recommended mileage given by the person cited. I will do that. I'll put it in a lot sooner to be honest with you, like I said, it's not too expensive to do, it'll save you a bundle of money. That motor once went bad and believe me, they break down a lot if you buy a new one. I would. To be honest don't worry too much, most of the faults that seem to be occurring seem to be of the 5e plus type onwards with a higher mileage engine, like 50m 50,000 miles, plus there are a few exceptions I've seen below that, but since I said that if you buy it new anyway and it's on lease or something, the first three years are covered under the manufacturer's warranty, I wouldn't worry too much, it's more the used market that I'll really worry about when buying. of these engines and it is also worth mentioning that at the end of 2020 21 they improved this engine and supposedly rectified some of the main problems it was facing and today there are not too many reports of engines going bad, but as I said it is still early days so Let's see what happens, hopefully they have eradicated a lot of the problems that they have been facing for the last 10 years with this engine because the idea and the concept is brilliant to have an engine. that's light, not at all fun and fun to drive, like I said, they drive very well and I hope they have eradicated those problems, maybe in the future these will be vehicles that I can then buy with confidence and be able to sell to customers, but by Anyway for the time being I will definitely stay away from these engines in my line of work, that's my opinion on the PSA 1.2 pure Tech engine now if you have had any problems with a 1.2 pure tech engine or the 1 liter al principle. days, let me know in the comments, let me hear your stories, it will be interesting to hear people's opinions on this engine, whether positive or negative.

I'd love to hear them in the comments so let me know guys thanks for watching this video please. Like and subscribe if you haven't already and I'll see you next time.