Coronavirus: Diskussion um Öffnung der Schulen bei illner

When weighing all these destinies, needs and rights, the children so far have drawn attention, they have basically fallen under the table. Why yes, I wonder that too, that's why I'm glad we meet more here. today I have to say that it's actually me now It wasn't until this week that we realized that we brought the kids with us, we talked about sports for a long time, yes, what was canceled, the Olympics were postponed. yes, and children have to get their high school diploma, so I really think that families or something like that I have not come across something like that, my child has the right to education, what about the Abitur, what about with distance? , they are the ears of a lifetime, so to speak, it is now this school year, so to speak, that we are all wasting a little time, yes, I think.

The fact that families are at a point where they say "we." We will make life the best we can and we will do the best we can, the problem is that this very thing, we will do the best we can, does not work because if I have to work, how should I do it? If I have to take care of a child, it's not just about these extreme cases. Yeah, I mean, we have to be honest too. Children who are not well cared for at home are not as well cared for at home. Therefore, there are really no new problems.

There are many problems that already exist, but are now on the table without being leaked and we already asked the Minister of Family, VGH, if it had not been her job to draw attention to what this really means. for children with the first discussion between prime ministers. So I want to make it very clear that the issue of children and families and the situation of children and families was one of my big focuses from the beginning and we also incorporated it into the debate. , but we have to share how the discussion went. At the beginning of the first time, for example, something like this was done in case of an emergency child benefit to help families who have a massive financial drop in their income.

It also includes, say, short-time work allowance, etc. But how does that sound? First of all, of course, we have to look at the situation we find ourselves in. Now in the sixth week, there are still two weeks of Easter holidays left. We now find ourselves in a situation where this is increasingly a burden on families and where, of course, we also have to consider issues such as endangering the well-being of children, the protection of children, etc. That's why we also have problems with young people and families. Then in countries there is agreement that there are certain groups that now need special help and that they are also included in the expanded emergency care, which is already happening, especially in cases where the youth welfare office says, for example , that this child is a problematic situation.

Is it better to go to a public daycare center or should it also be offered to children who need language support, to children who have special developmental problems and need additional support, as children of single working parents are also in a difficult situation? ? This emergency care is now being extended not only to systemically relevant professions, but also to groups of children for whom school is in a particularly difficult situation. I would like to say again that we have already been locked down for six weeks, yes, that. Actually, it's a bit distant and has to do with single parents.

I have to say that I work at home and I have to take care of a child, a toddler and a school-aged child, and I still have a lot of pressure from school because I am still studying at home. , that is also high learning so the teachers are now at home, so to speak, the parents are and that is what I ask, I really care and I want to say that there is also financial support that does not reach the families, I can tell you. . That's why many people would like to agree with their employer that they can retire a little and take care of the children because that is their problem.

Families are simultaneity, yes, it is the same time, you cannot do everything at the same time. , it works, so I see that I completely understand the situation in families. We also have, for example, compensation under the Infection Protection Act that applies when parents cannot care for their children now. Of course, we have this difficulty with simultaneous homeschooling, etc. and that is why we have to defend that we simply say that we cannot let this continue in the long term, so we have a perspective until the summer that it is not possible and that is why it was agreed with the Ministers of Youth and Family to gradually expand attention only to needy groups, which are now especially difficult to get back on track.

Emergency care is also so important here that there really can be conditions in the fall. There are families who have tried it and it hasn't worked because the children don't know the people because everyone is wearing protective masks. Parents are not allowed into the rooms. Children are not small. kittens that are given away somewhere, everything is open. That is exactly the point that is now difficult, especially when talking about hygiene rules, smaller groups, different care times, these are exactly the practical and organizational problems, but it is also clear that we cannot reopen everything overnight. the morning, but there is agreement that I think it is important to have next week's perspective on the 6th, where the prime ministers also agreed today, I even experience it at the same time, we will definitely look again with China now that I have a new study on the table by Christian Drsten Charité Biologie, his colleague, who found that children are just as infectious as adults, so actually the confirmation of this study from Iceland is 15 percent.

The study has not yet been tested. How do you see? How do you see? This studio? Perhaps we are starting this study too early because children are also at risk of infection and therefore parents and adults cannot deduce this from a study design. They would also be more popular now in Germany, to know precisely to what extent opening is possible and what dangers it may pose. The study was carried out by Christians or, rather, by colleagues who work with them. Christian. This is a large institute and they rarely come out into the open, so to speak.

We have investigated whether the amount of virus that can be detected in the throat is similar to that in adults and could be demonstrated in a laboratory. limited number of children, but of course that doesn't mean which or which one can't answer that, so to speak. Whatever the risk of infection in the Hama gardens versus children who are not sick or who are not sick, further studies will be carried out. Further studies of China are necessary. They have also mentioned other studies from Holland and Iceland, where it seems that children are always the end point, so to speak, of a chain of infection and do not lead to the exit. which would be useful for the decision to allow more openings.

Otherwise, I have to say again that as the rounds go on, I just said, as always, that we have to look beyond the

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to see what kind of damage it is doing to the economy. harm from a medical point of view and we also see, based on data from health insurance companies, for example, that we have fewer heart attacks, so people go to the hospital less and also receive treatment, so there is big problems. associated with this and now it is making the decision to open and allow again this is very important it could be so and now again with them so we have again established this connection very well now again with the teachers and educators that we are exposing Mr.

Schmidt Chanasit to a risk similar to that of nurses, it is correct that we tell teachers that colleagues over 60 years of age should not go to schools or those, so we cannot say that in general terms, we must take a look Looking very closely at the situation, we need to see what age groups of devices there will be differences between those under ten years old and those older. Ultimately, we can also influence the elderly to use certain distances. speaking, commandments and masks and then we have to analyze how to protect them there too. Taking appropriate measures, of course, colleagues with many previous illnesses who would be at great risk, then you have to think about whether I can really also return to work or how to protect them.

Of course, I also have an important role in the concepts. Of course, the tests would also be useful if they were done in schools, as Lindner had said. In addition, a study would be commissioned with the Robert Koch Institute and the German Youth Institute that would evaluate exactly these questions now that all children are at home. You don't see much, but what is happening now? It is expanding, you also have to scientifically monitor what is really happening with the infection process and then you have to evaluate it. So I think that these findings in this regard are very important, that is why we are there and we have the concern.

When you read Christian Drosten's figures that we could open too soon, how do you feel now that he is one of those who advocates that we finally have schools and kindergartens? Both are the risks and side effects that Ms. Saalfrank describes. burdens What for children it means for the well-being of the child means that we have to weigh it and the protection of children is also protection of health and that is why we have to do it, we cannot be categorical neither yes nor no, but that is why it is always correct procedure. and that's exactly what we want to do, so I'm left with just a biological study.

The reference is actually very important at this point, not to base it on a study because, if we can believe the media tonight, they still said yesterday that children are as infectious as adults and today only a third say they are as dangerous as was recently reported. In 24 hours there have been two contrary statements; If reported correctly, the Chancellor expressly criticized it today in the conference with the Prime Minister. that virologists and epidemiologists would meet in a conclave like cardinals for the papal election and when you agree, white smoke rises, the crazy thing is that you become more intelligent every day and that we become more intelligent and share more knowledge with you Both are here now.

They are also totally science friendly and I look forward to every new knowledge, but if one day you say as dangerous as adults and the next day you say only a third, then it's very fast. Realizing that 15 percent of navi adults have a 15 percent risk of infection, it is approximately the case for Mr. Schmidt Chanasit woman. Especially today there is something different in the media that brings two opposite quotes. I don't understand my point right now. You can see. I think the Bild newspaper reported that it is about the other point, that is, the question of openness, but here it comes first.

My question about this is whether we have really created emergency care, but we have. that, above all, those who perform especially important jobs can return to work. Again, the issue is that we have left the children under the table and it was really more about the mother and father being able to go back to work and less about them being able to go back to work. the children, so first of all, of course, they say no, we were never really in an exception, no, I'm going to say right now, we were in an exceptional situation as a state community of responsibility and, of course, everything is done possible to avoid something unknown.

There is a danger of meeting each other and then daycare centers and schools will be closed, as well as hotels, restaurants, shops, etc. Now the question is how we will go out and we have to go out and take a break like children, we have to do it. Children have to go out, they want to see people their own age, that's what development opportunities are lost and especially those who are already in a disadvantaged situation, I don't expect them to imagine what happens to some little ones. apartments without a balcony, so in that sense they have to go and now the question is how, and I am somewhat surprised at how current political events mean that the Ministers of Youth and Family have a model that goes back to the initiatives of my successor.

In North Rhine-Westphalia, Family Minister Joachim from the FDP together with his SPD colleague from Hamburg, who have a common concept, we have to be there, he also with Gabel Astrotv from fauw welcomed this before that Mrs. Merkel says let's decide not to look this week, we will look next week a week of preparation was lost the same thing happened at the conference of education ministers the 16 state education ministers are developing a concept under which conditions can open schools, especially in the North In Rhineland-Westphalia there is now a government unit of the municipalities that are responsible as school authorities, for example for Disinfectants and unions, i.e. employees, teachers, educators,Mrs Merkel, you are not the only ones speaking here this week.

Today at the Prime Minister's Conference there was a lot of talk about where the federal states are. We have very different approaches here and that is exactly the point and that needs to be made clear, but people also want a coordinated approach across the country. It must be said that children are not treated differently and the framework was decided by the Ministers. Education, but also youth associations, already offer the opportunity to do more and, what they demand, the expansion of needs-based and child-oriented care, something that is already happening, so that it is also welcomed to children who find themselves in difficult situations, What we are talking about The research has also been included as a large focus group and that will be agreed next week, but of course a decision has to be made about the timing.

The Family Ministers and the Culture Ministers have not yet done so. It is the task for the next two working days until next year but then I want to modify my accusation if that has not happened yet then I think it is a real deficiency because if we have daycares and schools in the next few weeks it is a very prerequisite task for a school It is easy to close, it is very difficult to grow, it is very difficult only in North Rhine-Westphalia, it is estimated that there are 30 percent of teachers who are not available at all, only gradually, everything is so formal, it is no longer available present and it is also necessary, we do not want to give it up during the holidays.

The dissent is already contained in the concepts of the culture and youth ministers: they are 16 highly competent state administrations that know the situation on the spot - it is not directed at them and it is not directed at the culture and analysis of the criticized federal states there's no need. It's been a week since then and I've made another comment, if I may, to add a quick addition to the woman. I am no longer a supporter of a uniform federal approach, because we have completely different infection rates at regional level and there are two districts in Bavaria a lot is still happening, I would say that schools cannot be opened. no daycare, no shop, no login to Dormagen.

I just had to close another school because there is an infection. That is the case. If it's just one, it would be a really nice circumstance if there was one. If there are 100, we can't really describe the reset. of schools as restart We don't know yet if there will be 100 schools that suddenly have new actions. No one can say it clearly, but their argument boils down to the fact that even a vaccine doesn't work at all. and that cannot be the case and I am in favor of us adopting a regionally differentiated approach and if there is a strong infection rate, a strong infection rate means, for every 100,000 inhabitants, more than 100 new infections in a week that is already consider red alert if that is the case.

If there is, then I am absolutely in favor of regional flexibility and if it is fine, but in a community there are no longer any active cases, we can have more confidence in ourselves than in At this point, it is very good that we, dear viewers , let's ask a practitioner: that's what you have to do sometimes in life and in this program even more often with us, it's one and now somehow a professor from Berlin, named Robert, gets to the right position. Giese runs a community school Mr. Gysi in Berlin Britz with a total of 1200 students now I have They are a bit attacked, can you describe to us how it is now so well planned through scheduled and well-planned everyday life?

Your experience, how do you organize vacancies in your school? 4200 is not back up and running yet because students are an interesting question, so we are in the middle of the process, our colleagues are working in teams accordingly and then we will take the next one. Steps to follow I would say that what has happened so far, interestingly, here in Berlin the following has been done: on the part of the Senate administration, they have gone back to school mainly the years related to graduation and the next year of selection. against the fact that not even the sixth class was taken, those prepared in Berlin for the gymnasium, to another type of school and then to the fifth class, we are a little unhappy with that because we would have liked people to have trusted us more as a school.

And when we decided how to do it, there was a lot of talk about the fact that there are socially disadvantaged children. We know of schools where up to 20 percent of children do not receive attention from teachers, where there is no contact. In any case, we don't know what. On the other hand, in Berlin there are also schools in which there are no children like that. There are secondary schools where every child has a laptop. I don't think it will be easy for frogs to decide on all types of schools in all schools. Right, what experiences have you had with your opening, since it's probably easier with the big ones?

Yes, of course, we have had discussions on it. various associations. Should we take the exam? Shouldn't we do it and that was my personal opinion? Yes, the Abitur exam in Berlin should be done because the students have a little lesson and each school has a big room. If the tone in which the exam can be organized together came with the appropriate distance rules, then the Abitur exam yes, probably all associations or many associations spoke out against it because the secondary school leaving certificate seemed to us even more problematic because those of the Abitur are completely fair, as a general rule it is the older ones who understand what it is about.

Students become more problematic when we see that at school we have tenth graders who are now skipping the presentation for the middle and graduating. At school they are very disciplined and the teachers also pay attention to this, they are talked to and that is why we see that their hands become infected the moment they leave the schools. They are rarely a little further away, so we can no longer have a direct Influence. They form a pack and then come closer when they need to talk. I have often seen them hugging each other and of course this contradicts the things we do at school.

Organize in part. Now I have written this. Again in the letter to parents of students and we ask all students to follow certain rules. We have seven rules because they are formulated to distance newspapers, etc. but we also ask everyone to wear a mask and we've said that teachers are the. adult animals, social educators and so on, they have one themselves and the mask works mixed with masks, so I personally feel like I breathe worse when I have something like that on, so it's hard for me now I have to get used to it. , it's that difficult and if we now take another look at Asia, children have their fever measured at the door before entering school, there is a possibility: What are the hygienic conditions in your country?

The school? Those are two questions. So I'll say one on the thermometer. I think we have it. In Asia there is a different culture when it comes to attending school, the pressure on children is much greater whereas I was sent to school. The children also had fever. I think that here, at least, that happens much less. I remember that a thermometer is not used to measure all children. For hygiene reasons, of course, we have the problem that at the moment I still have disinfectant. week for a week. Yes, today you have a conversation table with the company for our system.

It won't be available again until August, which means yes, we just found a solution with the company to have it arrive next week. Then, hopefully, we will have enough until the end of the school year. Hygiene is also necessary, so these disinfectants are not really necessary if I understand virologists correctly to protect yourself. In reality, it would be enough to wash your hands well. The problem is that the bathrooms do. limited Well, actually only one child can use the bathroom at a time because he cannot comply with the distance rule when he reaches the sink. If you say wash your hands for 30 seconds, you can calculate.

That didn't work, it just doesn't work because of that. I still need a hand of infection in each area and do you deal with that very closely? What about your teacher, Mr. Giese? So do we already know? Corona, we lack teachers. How many of your regular teachers can you reach out to now so that they are not just teachers, educators are also social educators who of course play a role and of course we read that about 35 percent belong? to the risk group, so in Berlin there is a rule in the model hygiene regulation that says that they should not work and in the last chapter it is there, but then the expressed desire to work must be explained in writing and due to pedagogical considerations .

The spirit that exists is that teachers want their children to learn something, there are many colleagues who then say that I belong to the risk group, but I am. Anyway, I can't say the exact percentage now, we have the equipment in terms of equipment, which also addresses the question of how to actually organize the classes. Of course, we have a problem and sometimes also a problem with the rules that come to us. We receive instructions from school authorities, for example, for the sixth grade. For next week it says that classes should be held according to the schedule, which means that according to the normal schedule they would have about 28 hours of classes.

It's absurd to be able to write something like that because, of course. Of course, I have fewer teachers and I need at least double, I need double the staff, but we only have 100 percent reimbursement. Many schools don't even have it. We have to find our own model and now we lack not only time but also space. Given the situation, Mr. Gysi, you would recommend that we think about shorter vacations or that we think about Saturday. like a regular school day again for even more reasons. The kids don't just come back one day a week because I said I think they should have more trust in those they trust in schools, so they really should take responsibility for their own school more seriously. because the possibility exists as long as we can.

In Berlin, according to the resolution of the school conference, we could say that we are doing it, but teaching again. But I don't think it's a good decision because the teachers don't realize it. but many teachers work much harder than any regulated system. They teach face to face and homeschool. You have the material brought to school. There is a system that the colleagues have organized. They receive new material and deliver old material that needs to be reviewed. new tasks must be formulated that this is completely underestimated, it is not seen at all in this sense. I think I realized that shortening the holiday to include extra lessons would not do my colleagues justice at all.

I think he thinks I do. I heard today that there is a scheme in Berlin, so there is at least one that offers summer schools on a widespread and voluntary basis, for example. Tutoring institutes that cannot operate at the moment could of course be funded so that children have the opportunity. voluntarily attend these summer schools. I can imagine it, although the question is always how to deal with the distance rule. So let's stick to the general rules. Thank you very much for being with us today. practice and this brings us to the question of women. Shouldn't we then have to argue with Mr.

Lindner? Schools also have a greater responsibility. So, not just schools in cities and towns, but in this specific case. the school of 3. So I'm always in favor of being practical and if 100 people on the site tell you that we have a problem, then there is a good chance that we really have something. I was active in local politics for 16 years. I advocate listening to local practices and really finding solutions that fit local needs. That is why we cannot prescribe a national recipe for everything. But it has also become clear from the contributions here that there is no going back to normal, so to speak. a switch that is flipped, but it is a step-by-step path that is only possible due to the staff situation and distancing and hygiene regulations such as Yes, they cannot be implemented immediately and flexible and pragmatic solutions must be found on site with creative peopleIdeas like this are all about now, but we have to create the framework for it and make it possible.

There is an opening of the playing field that can occur starting today. A good decision, although I am very happy about it. Another pause at the beginning. Without thinking about the school system, the Spiegel wrote in its last major report that our school has pre-existing conditions. If we now gradually relax after the emergency brakes, all the shortcomings of our school system will become much more evident. so I don't know if that's what happens. I think it's already clear that schools act very differently and that parents also face very different constellations and very different and complex ways of dealing with individual schools, so there are families that are under a lot of pressure because the school, so to speak, simplycontinues, yes, by the way, students too, yes, where the universities decide that the exams will just continue to be held and I mean studying at the head office.

I have no opinion on high school graduates, yes, so one person might say that I prefer to postpone it, the other might say that I would like to finish the exam at once, but the fact is that it is a completely exceptional situation and it is not just about having rooms and then being able to return to them and maintain a distance regulation, but it is also about keeping the process going. I would also like to ask a question if we come back to that. step by step, then the situation would have to be readjusted again, so to speak, also for the families, which means that in reality they would have to be the ones who have said flexible solutions on the spot, flexible solutions also in the families because now, when I feel like I'm really into this with my mother's heart, I think the distance rules, the teachers have to keep their distance from the kids, somehow they get the masks, that's not a good situation for my son if he wanted to give my son away, which means I would like to decide if I will use this care for the moment or not and if I don't use it then I would like to have support, just like companies have received support that I have in some way Height that is also can compensate with a financial amount and which can then decide for me, then maybe a caregiver can also organize my care, so it is an interesting question for Christian Lindner, who is obviously well informed about North Rhine-Westphalia and schools. you say it's important to cook for compulsory schooling or it's not up to parents to decide for their children if they really think that's the right thing to do or if they say we're really worried and scared and want to do it first. waiting for a certain process and Maik Behrens chilling in the nursery.

Of course, when we talk about school, the reality is that we are talking about a fraction of the students who are now in school. return if the classes are divided then in the classroom program half of the classrooms are already sold out. I just said that depending on the country, depending on the region, at least a quarter of the teachers are not available. We cannot close everything easily and it is very difficult to open it. Now it is even more important to plan for security as early as possible and examine it. Ms. Saalfrank addresses an important question: what do we do with those?

Can't or don't want to send the children to daycare? There are very different constellations of parents who have health problems and that is why we must be especially afraid that children have something to take home now, but also in a very different way. What can you do about it? I have long thought that we need to increase the tax options for claiming childcare expenses from the tax office. Today there is an order of magnitude that has not been touched in ten years if there is one. It is a direct help for families who say that I want to take care of the children in addition to my work, that would be one of the options and I think we are here immediately, in my opinion, we are on that.

The whole area of ​​digitalizing homeschooling can improve. much better, from the fax machine still used in health authorities to digital options in schools, we have many deficits in which the state will show how much more direct the help would be if it could finally reach everywhere in the states de In North Rhine-Westphalia, this includes triple-digit monthly amounts for daycare costs, if it were said that here parents not only leave it for three months, but we actually go down constantly because families could have asked for a child in house with several hundred euros I have good news for you, yes, after the change of government from red green money to black money, we have money, we have another year of contribution-free kindergarten and what about the rest?

We are a country for cyclists. Yeah, okay, since if it works, we have a chance of it working, yeah. It's not just about now that relief is coming, but it's not just about not doing something, so to speak, but it's also about appreciating the achievement because what happened there is also, so to speak, the work of relationships and caring for children at home. That's a different thing than sending kids to daycare for free, so to speak, like you would if you wanted to work at the same time, which is really, really hard and that's why it would be really nice if they finally got back to take care of children in the true sense of the word.

With imagination we have to look at the little ones. In the nursery there is a four-stage program that you have followed. Like the woman, you could explain it to us. The playgrounds are now open again, even under those hygiene measures and guidelines, it is too dangerous simply because I think you are in one. I can't teach hygiene rules for four or five years. , that's obvious and I think I have to get involved again. He replied that we will send me to the conclave with Christian Drosten which we do not believe, but we know that we know very little because this is a new virus and in this sense, Christian sees new posts every day, so to speak, and he just communicates it and These publications are different, especially in this area when it comes to the infectivity of children, and he simply communicated it and that is what needs to be done.

As a policy, this is the situation. Unfortunately, we now have to say that we still do not know that children pose a risk of infection, which ultimately affects, so to speak, the playgrounds. What we know is that swab infections certainly won't play a big role and if it's on a surface, but of course flying droplets and if you can ensure that children play with their friends and not with unknown children and that. the parents are also, so to speak, separated, so as not to create new chains of infection. Above all, it is incomprehensible that the big problem in public parks is that sometimes they meet people they do not know, so if that can be prevented then a lot has been done because if we talk about couples and green areas, or here is the Bundesliga, yes, I think you see, you cannot talk about the Bundesliga at the same time and the facilities on the other side.

Don't let the children get on the swings again, that's different in that sense, that's very different and yet I tell you. From the children's point of view, this is an important point and I think it is good that this decision has been made today because families will have more opportunities to exercise outdoors, especially in urban areas in metropolitan areas where already There are few spaces for children to relax. It is very important to be able to move in the green and outdoors in Meppen. Finally, quickly. you have the four year old in and around the night and somehow you have him very physically close again and how do you want to avoid it or prohibit it in any way?

That's what I think we have to do despite all this. Life and everything that comes with it has dangers that we all always face and yet we still need them. Life is a threat to life, they say, but you can decide how much you can protect yourself and how much freedom you have to give up. to do it and that is something that is a very important issue, especially for children, and I also think that I have a little bit of experience myself as a mother. You can wash your hands wonderfully with children on vacation, learn and practice and.

You can also explain to them what a virus is and what it does, and of course in a child-friendly way, but you simply deny them the ability to understand what is happening here. I don't think it's right and I think that. Children now do much more. We understand that in Hesse we are sometimes still interested in children and that is the wonderful thing, we are also very impulsive, we are in contact with the rule of reason, that is, we have heard it. from the school that of course the young people also have the message. That's why you want to feel like it and you can't accept that so easily and I don't think you should either.

You can't and it's also there again in the. Balance is also important for children's development. Children need children. Just leave it alone. It is also seen in all the discussions and in all the steps that have been taken and a completely risk-free life is not a pleasant life. 65 finally we have a clown so I already have the step by step plan has been formulated by the ministers there was a different idea At the end there is the decision of the prime ministers on specific dates. Today it was agreed that they will do so. It will take place on May 6.

Then we will make one point clear. I want to thank you and pass the floor on to Markus Lanz, who today admits, among others, Reiner Haselhoff. The guests are the Prime Minister of Saxony-Anhalt and Alexander Graf Lambsdorff. And if you want, we will meet again next Thursday at 10:15 p.m. Take good care of yourself, thank you very much.