Confessions of The Mafia Hitman for Tony Spilotro

more, but it was feared that the industry existed. some of them made a lot or that's me, yeah, and Heather does, so you're following Tony. I mean, when you read about this, you guys have been best friends for a long time. For example, they were in Chicago running the streets and you're doing what you know since you were 12, so when you read about it you see the story when the FBI came and you were going through it and you don't say anything, you're not talking to the agents. from the FBI, they're not telling you anything and they heard the recording, they know what was on the recording that they heard, that might throw them off and what they're saying, yeah, they locked me up and just first.

The day I was locked up I was in the Eric Clark Clark County Jail and I received visits from an agent and he said we had information that there was a contract on your life and I told him to leave the room. He knew it in the games they play, so when he came to the door it's like we could show you proof positive that there is a contract in your life. Could you cooperate? I told him I can't tell you, so I left the room. conference room and they took me to where I was I was in that lady Tower and they took me to her cell like why did she put me in her cell and said because there is a contract with you, this is the Clark County jailer so I was fair Before entering the cell they called me again and told me that they wanted to see an upstairs again.

I said I want to go out. They say you have them. I went up and when I went up there were a couple of agents there. I don't remember their names. He had these actual recordings and the overhead phones and they had transcripts and he said to me if you don't mind listening to it and tell me who thought I was talking to him, he says he listened and then he interrupted me, so who were the voices that I? I mean I can't tell you now I want to see I want to hear something old that's when I heard the voices and they were too familiar voices and the only guy said what's going on out there he called it re sharp for Tony he says it's It's not me it's him another guy then I'm listening to the other guy, he has to be referring to me.

I'm thinking it's like a loose cannon. It's in the can right now, they locked them up. I can not control it. He should be. very bad soon he says that he is the one doing all that and he says that he is, then he will clean your dirty clothes. No, I didn't fall from a tree. I've heard that term used too many times, so I put on my headphones. Downstairs I said I want to go back to the cell he says do you know the voices? I said yes, I know the voices I wanted. Tony's not in this.

Are you ready to cooperate? Ace and that right now I need to think about it. like me and I can't play several things to do it myself physically, so I say that if I do that e1 I no longer want to say suicide, suicide, I have absolutely done it because I was never raised that way not to be an informant. There is a big difference between being an informant and a witness. I was never raised that way to testify and it worked when you use that word which is like snitching, it's exactly the same thing. I understood that the guy wasn't raised this way so I say I can't do that I say first of all I don't have the guts to kill myself second of all if I do Tony ends up being a winner I mean it's Plateau so So I waited until morning and asked the guard.

I make a phone call, he said, what do you need ice? I needed to talk, I'm agents, we're air, he says, we'll get you back in 30 seconds, the door opened, I said, Jesus Christ, I thought maybe the agents were sleeping in the room upstairs, well, that's how quickly they were there and I told him : you know I'll cooperate, they instantly took me out of that gel, put me in a motel, I had housed guards in every place you can imagine and then they started interviewing me in a game and he wanted me to talk about murders and I didn't want them They would like you to talk about murder first.

The Shah is sincere, you are a witness, you know? And I said this is something I've never done before. I say this is the hardest thing for you. You're asking me to make ice. I can't do it now because I talked about other crimes and at the end he says you have to talk about murders. He says then you will get your immunity I said but he says we didn't read your rights if we were nervous your rights and you talked about murder then we have you we can everything you can throw away but as long as we don't read you, your rights, we can't all your thinking, that's something, Although I never know, I'm sorry to risk it, what was I going to do?

So I took a chance as soon as I said that, he got up and left the room, he's another guy talking. However, when I walked into a trap, that's the first thing that comes to my mind because I can't trust these guys all my life for chasing me trying to kill me, they put me in jail, I suddenly said that the attacker is not a guy to come in the room talk to me and I was with friends with this guy with Liz, they, the agent, then they met with them, his name is your friend, until really, how do they do the conversations?, why does she start everything? ?

How would you talk when you talk with the conversation we are friends we talk about everyday matters sir we are friends interesting I gain a trust that I and I trust him get out of here I'm serious your FBI agent is retired Wow several of them and several police officers enter Metro so our friends we are to this day the same guys who used to chase me bad trying to kill me weird looked at another way it was a ball game we played it was a ball game they just had more people in their game than us Yeah that has sense, Frank, what did your relationship with Tony do to you?

How did you see this friendship now, almost 30 something years old? 40 something destroyed me, yes, it destroyed me that a friend did this to me, my best friend, mmm. I love this guy like my brother because he put all the weight on me, which was devastating. You know, I never thought he would do that, but he had to take the pressure off because he was doing it wrong. You see, they paid him. in the end, sure, yeah, of course, I miss the way I could go back to Chicago tomorrow and live there, you could come back, yeah, no one would do anything to you, I bet they could really know that they knew there, they know a lot of things.

The guys there said why did Frankie roll, there has to be a reason that would make them do this, he would never do that and I would never do that once he got the head, there was validation where your credibility increased my credibility with who what pulled Look at the outfit because they are not. He would never go back there and try to be a gangster. No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is you're doing what you're doing. Follow your list, man. right skill as to what I thought, yeah, I mean, so who is he really?

So maybe it was Tony, maybe it was you, how did Chicago see you and Tony? First of all, they didn't approve me, Roland, which they never would, of course they would. Yes, they would never approve and I don't blame them. I'm sure they wouldn't kill me if I went back there. Yes, you know I had to do what I did. We're not going to sit back and have it. past and share pasta together I'm not afraid of my life absolutely none of going back there at one point I did it at the fair at what point that field left it took 23 or 25 years also the fears of the recent ones like two decades that has gone well, idiot , you know, when I walked in it was yeah, I've been 34 years, so 25 years I got it when I first published my first book, that's when I opened the door what was the day Tony died what was your immediate reaction what's he going to call you what? what happened to you when they called me before they found him so you knew this was going to lead to the player and the news that he was in the witness protection program and in Mobile Alabama oh no but did you know? that this event was coming or you didn't hear a quote-quote hey I heard I have a complete like I heard on TV that the splatter brothers were missing I said well I said well they are dead I thought to myself then I get a Call from the Marshal Service and a Marshal's service tells me that the FBI wants to talk to you, so I'm going to talk to them.

FBI, they're here to talk about a date, come on, we're talking on the phone, that same guy, Aroldi's friend, yes, agent, Tony says. and Michael didn't show up to court, do you know where they would have fled to? I said they didn't run anywhere, he said, you know it's because there's no Tony, I say yeah, if it was a guess, I'm a gentleman, an idiot, right now, how do you know it's because they know Tony's not going to run away? I said, I know. Tony knows that sooner or later they will catch you. I've been around this guy in my life.

Dennis, I know he's not going to run away, he means it. I told him yes, you see, four days later, the body appeared in a guard field. He said, where do you think they were killed next while they were killing Carville? He is worried. I say probably in a basement, a house where I say it's Cicero Illinois or Bensenville, why do you say that? Because we have people who live in those towns and you can lose things in their homes. That was so interesting, years later, Sammy the bull, when that happened, Sammy. How did you see Sammy?

I thought the guy had to do what he had to do. I thought God has it, he gave every room to the Wolves. Similar story, yes, similar grout, yes. I never disrespected Sammy. I always felt that Sammy was a man like I consider myself a man, I'm Sammy, a man, did they ever talk or not? Hey, did they ever talk or not? We, Tommy, okay, I get it, you know, Sammy has his own private life. I know he did it for 20 years, the other guy. I know, but that's how you get into drugs. You know, I don't know what the story is.

Final thoughts before getting into the books. What is the conclusion you obtained from living that life? Obviously, it's a completely different story. today where many things do not exist when you said that you had a moment two years after you were you know that you filmed what happened to me you are like you know what this is not a life that I want to live I want to live a change of life, what would those be like? events? How was that process? Well, you know you're around legit people and you see how they live and you know even legit people have a bad view, you know, and I start going to church and stuff.

That's how I was always raised as a Catholic. I went to a Catholic school when I was young, so I went back to religion and then I stopped going to church and I just know that there is a guide to Jesus, you know, and I do my hope that's it. I hope he accepted me. I hope it's interesting, very interesting. Well, you know, your story is very, very interesting and there are many different lessons there. You know, I'm always curious about Chicago and New York and the cultures they have. about leadership style, but this is what I would say if you're watching this, you've obviously seen it on Vitami, we've done a lot of different interviews with the

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, whether it's Michael Franzese, Gianni Russo, Oscar Goodman, I mean I can go on. with a lot of things.

We have a lot of different listings and there's a lot of exposure that we accidentally got into this market. If you want to know more about his story, he wrote a book called The Rise and Fall of a Casino Mobster. We will put the link below. here, but if you ever visit Las Vegas, do personal tours, apparently maybe tell us a little bit about this personal tour, so what is a personal tour? Yes, I put people in my personal vehicle or take them in a rental vehicle and drive them around. to all the places in Las Vegas there we filmed the movie Casino, the movie and the places where people were murdered, robberies and it's personal, I'm in the car with my people, you tell the story of the white guys, everything that interests them and if they ever go to TripAdvisor. and things like that they get my phone number, you know, yeah, we have to put the link to TripAdvisor and by the way, even the

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museum, do you take them to the dome?

They are museums. I know your photographs on the wall of the mafia museum too. Did they do that tour with you or not? You go there? I don't make commitments to talk. Yes, they cancel me a lot. Okay, God, I make speaking engagements there. So what we are going to do is put the link. Below we will also put your phone number for information about the tours and if again you want more information, go to your book. The link will be below for the book. Frank, thank you very much for coming. I really enjoy talking to you. really