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you with hydrogen pomp we have tremendous guests because not only is the international analyst guillermo holzmann with us but also a chilean who lived in north korea photographer he is ramiro lavín how is ramiro and we want to know what life is like in north korea for the experience that you had what are the consequences of this nuclear test what could be the US response and the consequences even for our country we see it in the next note then we will talk about it here in the study that is not capable of making it disappear between 5 and 7 millions of inhabitants say to give an idea the house could make all of Santiago disappear that's why we want to understand how it works what goes through the heads of Kim Jong-un and Ramiro and we want you to explain to us why you lived for a year in North Korea how We live in a communist country like this that, unlike others like communists like Vietnam, for example, China, which has been opening up to the world or Cuba, to a lesser extent, North Korea has not, it has not, what life is like and how the mentality works. kim jong-un hello thank you invite me I have heard 22 years and condemn everything very strange nothing is normal life goes on is not normal public transport is not normal people are not normal the way they dress is believed to be a norm read it is a country really surreal everything everything that happens there no nothing for example there is no more reliable not all the statistics that there are the people who die those who are born are imagine you seeing years I have never seen for example the disabled person goes to school it is strange in two years that someone in a wheelchair had not started something that is communicating a bit like that because they also feel very much like the superior race, it is very strange that they don't care if we throw bombs and let's not say bombs because we are superior It doesn't matter what the others come from, the Western or the United States, their archenemy, the United States, Japan, South Korea, something else about the world, they know and have very internalized the discourse of the regime, not about who their enemies are, but they know something more about Internet access. the televisions and the point that the people of the party, yes, the people who have to search on the internet, for example, cable television and be able to talk on a cell phone, put it on a cell phone, there is a privilege, there is no antenna, there are no cell phones, there is no place to go to buy phones, no.

I know what happens to the people, the common Korean, when this happens because what matters to me is that it can be like counterpropaganda, that is to say, it is imperialistically contaminating the Koreans directly to school, for example, the games that are not Rafa Line are military issues that the tires They are doing this like this, everything prepared in a city, I was preparing for war because I want to live there because at that time my master works for the United Nations. I lived in Brussels, Belgium. They already changed her to work in North Korea. She appeared as a photographer, but it turns out that she arrived already beautiful. the photos and there is an intrigue on their part to know about them is what they live in what I felt what I felt is that they are also curious they are also human that part is not indoctrinated the ones that are sometimes lucky being with the south of Japan obviously and the USA that's why they don't know, for example, about the other continents, again, for example, they know Brazil, but how they live there, they have miserable conditions or they have a good quality of life because I remember that when one went to Cuba When it was more closed there was a high percentage of the population that wanted to go out that was aware that they were very alone in their freedom.

I think the two situations are super different because Cuba between food is a normal one, people dance smoke I play the guitar there many musicians many lives people have no life sometimes I had a mass of people walking and they all march donovan talking before casting the size for example there are three likely young people who know us and compliment us a little girl what happens now she no longer exists no It exists, it is very rich, very rich, very poor, for example, we went to a store to buy something and in the pool x 62 Hawaiian, a car of beer, 1 cigarette, a detergent, a boat, an old truck, an airplane, a Ramírez machine gun, and I arrived thinking that it was a dream like Photographer not being able to capture what it looked like in North Korea but I couldn't do it hits me, how frustrating I imagine because you lived there for two years and I have a story that was frustrating in the sense that I'm not going to take photos so some design at that time will be missing entity, for example, of the child, I have a son who is now 13 years old, he was 4 years old then and at school in that school there was a fight in total 15,000 in the school, all the different embassies will be lost, more diplomatic final before and because, sorry, curiosity, they could not be Mixing with the rest of the Koreans is that they must be very different but there was an explicit international prohibition, there was no way to mix, at least for the little children, neither were we the only Korean people who mixed with the national officials or those who speak English, French.

Spanish, they were the ones who were really prepared, they were the ones who are in quotes, continuing to monitor us, not about the regime and monitoring. Imagine that to leave this diplomatic area I had to get my permission, so when permission was granted, two national officers accompanied me because They also directed paranoia among them and there is something that not only North Koreans make a cut that is far from understanding, yes, as a result of what you are talking about, it seems to make you an enemy to the point of zeal because it is difficult to do so.

Imagine about our imaginary society in strict rigor because for them we are inferior now well I want what happens when I told you well he is going to take a photo which is the opportunity of my life as a photographer I don't know the photos north 3 am he arrived there and it is strictly prohibited this position is good I in That time it was like I was a diplomat I had diplomatic immunity that I don't know if Koreans respect very much but until now they have respected it a little but it exposes you to prison and the prison there is a concentration camp although it is not a prison like here where there is a trial I am very shocked by what I did because it was forbidden to take a photo.

Imagine, we are in all the classes, that is, this no longer exists, there is no telephone, and for example, the time now, now I imagine it was a little older, I no longer had a car. and they had become autonomous and they are very cold in winter very hot in summer in winter and it is to heat themselves with algae there is no coal there is no gasoline to continue but they are cutting them after the cold war or it leaves it has been 60 years they are costing narón you You're going to imagine the earth no longer grows, not even one for parents, it's not like I'm going to be dead, so of course in that country they don't use a zero, that's why they have some that have very serious food problems, economic economic blockade, but they don't have For example, they have developed an important agriculture that they do not have rice plantations, potatoes and things, but it is not enough for the amount and nanti that the country has and how they live, so what does a normal day for a Korean do because, for example, they do not You can go out for a ride on the road and a lot of beer and they take the guard kick but they are super good for the road I don't know the life of it is very monotonous because the way of working works works is learned because the great leader dominates them a Korean in the day I I think it must be more or less 300 times and I am not exaggerating the image of the great because first of all he has it in his house then they have it alone it goes into everything that you are then we are going to see the photos perhaps of all of them and then in the streets of pineapple we have to come out with some gigantography below this from this date months of the leader and then the next campaign this lady and then comes the speech every day as you can see and it turns out that of course they put the news of the news are basically What did that do?

They have a newspaper called William, which is called the Capital Times, like the New York Times, which has four pages. The first page shows the giant photos. In the second, the big day also appears in the third. Also about him and in which he also appears in the background, everyone stays in life functioning, so the news is a reference to what this rooster did during the day and then the military life is cut short, that is, tomorrow Ramiro, those of us who are seeing images of the traditional private paramilitaries these types of stops those days what happens with these confrontations with the president of the United States Donald Trump entered this is not known for example in this newspaper it does not appear but neither when it is they also had problems with the United States or with Japan with Japan and now it turns out a problem much more often that is closer and they do not talk much with the country that is full of squares and monuments of wars that have not won things that they have never won that they have not done to feed themselves or that the people have to support some giant monuments but the common Korean who won it ramiro but let's continue telling what the day to day life of a Korean is like for example you can take a vacation go out somewhere there is a beach if they have a beach they have a beach they almost sacred Sunday Koreans like it a lot in the park.

They have very nice and super large parks on the banks of the rivers. The military paramilitary or paramilitary is also very nice. Imagine a city with a pen with money. Many times there are many countries. There is a lot. There is a lot of international aid. The same goes for North Korea but always, always bilateral is like a pretty good term bilateral and more or less that this money first reaches the military or the government the government after estimating it is not that this percentage of money we are going to education the education the another to help the grandparents and this is not organized for women well you can cheer up then you have no choice but to listen and military loris police but they study other things because there is no complicated job option explains the text because there is not much work there is not bullfight but yes there is work in the opposition militia and military who say engineer but the only way to win or have a status is to march and earn money or win something is more important if the status saves you kiir saves your comment and for you ramiro what was it The most shocking thing of all about all this strange life that you say was what caught your attention the most in these two years living in Pyongyang, everything catches my attention but the strangest thing I saw was that they do not value human life very much as I'll explain to you, one day I see a person who is dead because he was dead, he didn't move after half an hour, he didn't move to the street on the street next to a children's school and then the children passed by, they played, they looked at the dead man but without capacity are clear if a person understood me then an hour passed and it is not hard either and my lord we are 10 thousand 25 minutes walk from a hospital so I am I don't know if it was what I understood you know it was 1 - for example for fear of reprisals, a simple man was not, he was not a soldier, he was not a police officer, he was a simple worker, therefore no, and the same as how they find a family, how they fall in love, how they live inside a house, that is the relationship with their children, that is also complicated.

It may be because they are so secretive that, for example, I never had Korean friends but they are old, the national officers who speak English perfectly well, French comes back in Spanish and they are super on par with him, they are listening, watching and watching. There we are looking at Royce images by Mira and I'm with my friends. You were able to take a photo of your friend Ramiro. What were your friends like? There, they were the national officers, more than friends, they were like the chaperones when they sent you girls to the reel and they sued with the big cousin, hey.

Ramiro and it is true that there are people who, when a great boss dies, have to cry because if not, I think so, if there is not so much, it is to say no even though I didn't want it, that is, no and start saying no. cry first and he is the one who is the first to stop crying because I swear this lady who comes from the news she also announced it crying what are we going to do now we are just we are lost in the world and with a lot of histrionics too and the question is coming back What if there, not about life and how they relate, one does not see, for example, the street stops this family, that is not with expressions of affection, that we are talking a little bit in front of someone, nor do I see love in North Korea, it is never me and I have never had a couple holding hands kissing like here, which is starting to do the same.

Another curious thing is that I am also over-observant in that, so they are a group of people, for example, in a corner, their dirty hand always passing by, little girl. never never without that life something that led you to tell the lover and how it works put yourself and the leaders of this North Korean regime for example if someone has to separate but I remember that in ancient times who Chile had to ask permission from the party communist, if someone wanted to separate and if they gave it to you, it could be art from the woman you had, like those, since Korea, when they are from the military party, they are marriages according to rules, the general should marry the girl who is of the other gender because they have to remain elite but some like purity and that elite are really not the most recipes people in the world a race a performance they were asked to cut their hair it is not that they are asked to imitate it as it is not clear how the world is going and admiration and admiration, fear in reality but of course there is also another super cliché story that gives us a story because you would say so.Imagine that on the North Korean bill that appears on everyone, the president and then therefore the octopus bills in the score because there is this guy's face then and that is not a cliché because she really used it in the silver or here cabot work but no not the wallet ramiro I want you to show us some photos that you brought and tell us what it is about because it draws powerful attention look at that one that draws attention ramiro look there are three photos that the second one we are going to in The third, the star, is a common factor but they are Manuela Mena on the street, it's like that long week to Can Santiago, exactly striking because nothing, not even a car, so there is little or nothing, there are also no people, I don't know about movement and absolutely nothing attracts attention. but there is also a rumor with a myth, it is said that the big boss who carries out the mandate in North Korea would have supernatural powers or the belief that people have that he is coming and the response is the return of commercials that he has a very good day indeed we are leaving During the break we were talking with Ramiro, a Chilean who lived in North Korea for two years and Ramiro was explaining to us what life is like now and I also wanted to ask you what it's like to be a woman in North Korea, what things you can't do because I imagine you have to being a very sexist regime, being a woman in Korea, they do the hard work, for example, when the pavement in the streets has to be changed, they break the pavement and the Koreans have sat on the walk waiting for hard work, they do hard work.

Of them, well, they are not very respectful of women, what are the things that, for example, women cannot do, for example, she rides a bicycle at the time of 2009, she cannot sing or live, how do they move to this public? The husband leaves the house. house she can go out on a bicycle and she walking next to it is that they normally go for different impacts to the women here the man looks in North Korea for example cleaning the tunnels with toothbrushes so you can imagine the number of people they need to clean a tunnel with a toothbrush, for example, the palaces that have, of course, if one grasses a lot of grass, everything would be before reaching the palace.

There is a group of people, usually women, who cut the grass, but with scissors to cut it for real mourning, it is perfect. submit them if you don't have the logic then there are 150 women who want to cut a hectare of grass with these scissors so that to submit it perfectly and when they are dying to cut a hectare because it matters because of a crazy person who comes a family of crazy people they have the right to study for example those of the party do have Korea in with him, his cousin is not in status if you if you are in the military if your father is a politician or a police officer you have the right you have many rights in fact for example in Korea there is little electricity because the ration because So therefore there is no traffic light but not much car either but there are still cars so a woman is the maximum position that can adopt the woman from whom they direct and begin to direct the traffic so she is like the maximum position Ramiro imagines of a tour In North Korea, normal, of course, without cars, it's public transportation.

I imagine there can't be American cars. Japanese and American. He doesn't love both. He loves dollars. Dollars. Euros. a lot of Russian car of course 50 it's like they kept the spelling but it gives me the feeling that with a greater submission to women because the things that you were not telling that they have to cut the grass but not things like that so there are many there are many stories that people I don't know that weren't really there anymore, they can't be some kind of thing but the glasses and the ones I saw I saw it and I was talking about it with my wife, her name is I had this information that comes from the United Nations that they also handle information from d&s from unicef ​​with the death of children in north korea they move many cases the kids could edit every day and we have no idea, that is, no one knows more about their statistics than if you ask the government and how many people They were born last year.

It's really super incredible. I had never heard the testimony of a person who had lived in North Korea, so I want to take advantage of also asking Guillermo Holzmann Guillermo that this is explained by how hermetic this country ultimately functions, that is, We don't know anything really very well about what happens inside except for testimonies like this one, exactly, there are few of them. Normally I was living in the diplomatic environment, which is a much more relaxed environment, if you will, than what the average citizen lives in. North Korea is A totalitarian regime associated with a dynasty is practically born under the Soviet umbrella and then it transforms that regime into a prayer to the person to become a great leader in practice or a great president and from there we say everything, everything that comes is hereditary, consequently there is no elections, the possibility of it being against the regime is null, it is impossible to get out, and loyalty is bought with, however, that in South Korea, for example, a lot of effort is made so that the North Koreans can defect and let's say in the US, many North Koreans who have defected, very well and That the other countries love each other, that is, desertion is an issue and that explains why I looked at all the errands so that they take care of each other, that is, they don't stop going out just so that they can focus only then there is a whole issue regarding skiing school thing. from the north as a country and clearly it is very far from any logic of Western or Latin functioning if you will, we make it impossible here and as I will continue in the person it is not called the opposition but the one who does not agree because of how they are living how can it be developed that person and who it was but the young people no there is no revelation of the new generations for example if they rebel they are going to pay the cost rebelling means reaching the bad border at the border with South Korea trying to cross there are barbed wire fences rising there is walls that are avoided, precisely that, the entire limit for 38 here is that the separation between both Koreas is not there, it is full of soldiers' artillery, so review, however, progress is made, there is a South Korean balloon campaign to be able to carry and encourage the freedom to send messages there is a whole kind of psychological treatment and permanent propaganda but if you are in possession of the fact that I cannot be an opponent or a declarant, I am not an opponent, all the resistance with the existence of being dead there is no possibility of tourists coming to mine and in practice, as part of this whole context, there is nothing that smells American, for example, I'm thinking about the clothes, I'm thinking about fast food, restaurant 1.

There will be some type of imitation fast food establishment, but if you go, it has the same little tables as they had in the old burger king and those tables that cannot be moved with those that do not move either and with a hamburger and with the glass it is like everything with the plastic one and the light bulb that comes out in the middle that stops They are also super new and only people who have Lucas arrive but he has not looked the same as in uniform so in the moll they sell I don't know for example they sell more in ica base mica things like they sell collaborate and marijuana is legal too in the streets she goes out alone but it can be cut off and if you don't everyone dresses the same and women for example can wear a miniskirt not jeans for example that's why jeans aren't women either I don't remember no but if she wore a suit the typical Korean costume that It's super colorful, they look good with the presenter, like the one at the party, for example, on Sundays they go to the park and they dress in traditional costumes, which in their version is also like us going to the park on Sunday and all dressed up, Ramiro.

And what music do they listen to, what is on the radio? They listen to Korean music, Korean, there is no Korean pop, they listen to their traditional music, which is super political, they listen to peanuts in you, after that is allowed, for example, you could have given them, not just a cassette. I don't know if they have 100 of Iron Maiden, for example, because it's pollution, but they're ready with the nightlife, for example, clubs, things, and there's little people because there's not a dark city, people go home and people continue working because even where are the places where they work have generators and warehouses because they continue to prose they do their things but the common Korean comes to their dark house and learns not to publish like the 7 that 68 or they live their normal life but of course with little light with little light with torches with a flashlight with and if I want to go visit North Korea, it's expensive to have a resume, and if you work in a media outlet, because for them, having a spy is the only good part.

There are things, there is no crime like what we know. that steals from us, but if there are many rapes, robberies, there is no robbery, there is no such type of crime, but there is another type of crime that is much cruder, which is by contrast returning to the issue that women there do not have much value, so of course they use a woman. raped can't go and report it I don't think that in a Korean of shame it's like she lost her virginity with her - exactly with the honor that she looks like she's wearing makeup then it's less useful then I think it's fear and no you don't earn it for example she has that arriving virgin at marriage has to arrive virgin above the marriages that one sees, for example that one knows that one arrived and passes next to an arranged marriage of people the party there are people who have many power struggles between art and that is a That 17-year-old woman, Guillermo, takes the money from these parties, these countries, the corrupt ones, because anyone who does business with North Korea, normally the government who is in power charges some type of commission or yes, because it depends on something there and they do it.

Who is in power has their own entertainment system, so for them to be in the circle here, they are invited to those types of parties and things like that, it is a privilege, Camus, that they have the resources and they have the money by virtue of business. What is done is that they are in charge of the state company, consequently they function with respect to that, they keep part of the money, is that tolerated within the regime for a form of war from high to high command so that particularly the entire top leadership of the government and that and with respect to Georgia, women, there is a whole system of prostitution around power that is maintained in terms of whether there is complete corruption where the privileged are those at the top of power and the others do not have why know or know what is happening there and the reason is that we say and that is why the issue of the restrictions to be able to go to North Korea are high so if you want to go visit the leader it will be the ideal to have accompanied and They are going to be with him he is going to laugh with you that it is me and then they had to leave the airport immediately and in three years invite a party that they have given you another another North Korea who is not the one who takes it off the streets, as a tourist I can know On the big day, the squares, metro seats, distances with due respect, of course, those photos, nothing, Ramiro, and what was it like for your wife who lives in North Korea, a person who works in the United Nations to have a position in the most secretive country in the world and more complicated of a launch platform then looked at from the point of view for her it was that is in her career in her resume it is super nice new for them for them super good I think it was more terrible for me although not why because you introduced her to get to know this country and I had the opportunity to see my impression it's the same I took a photo I still have a video now I just finished my book yes well by the way I'm looking for a publisher and for me it was also a nice experience even though later, as I say, One person attended the master's degree just barely because people don't live if they don't survive and it's really the correct term we want to use for common people in Korean I know and have my experience about pineapple but imagine what happens is creating our super big It is a country at the time of 27 million inhabitants, imagine what happens that in the capital more rural areas have been developed as if looking towards Russia or China and they are doubly so and it is sad how a child expects to grow up in North Korea because it inhibits them in their feelings, for example, not the austin in the movement, they, for example, learn mathematics, they are three machine guns plus three bullets, they are six tanks since I was little, that is the way to look for how they want you before schools, for example, the games are not real, they are training skill as a circuit then I already know that is the world that he knows in his father and his mother, so his grandparents were all normal, they are all martial artists, so if in truth there are some giant squares where they practice the martial art all together, it is just that we have more photos that you brought us of the photos that you were able to capture in North Korea we want to know what it is to know the meaning that each of these photos has for you I hope you have a good morning and continue to know what life is like in North Korea the bomb h but also everyday life, how surprising we are with a valuable testimony from ramiro lavín the photographer and you saw two years there ramiro we had seen a photograph that portrays a little how life is in north korea and it also attracted a lot of attention so there was practically no one There was no one in the city because the day I was walking because of the fear that many people have, this is a simple explanation but it is the truth.

I mean, the song goes beyond authority, so do the people. I mean, I come together. risk of being imprisonedRicala career my wife and they will kick me out for enclosing her so it is also delicate we are seeing now, for example, they have a clear story about the little girl who draws attention because we see her who is like in a swimsuit, a tutu but not a tank in her hand that's a good story that's why I chose that one that's the photo I know what's going on tallita was in a competition between little kids it was a competition where they had to run and put one like the balls just by seeing it in some places and this is the little girl Just because he won, I already saw the prize, they give him a premium, so he has for the children, they are only soldiers who had a son, many soldiers, it is also why in Asian culture, older people are generally very respected, do not have problems with a great leader but yes, in the common, in everyday life, older adults are respected as in all of them and what happens, for example, with minorities, with sexual minorities with sexual diversity, I think that of course because, as I say, I was two years old, I had never initiated there is never a person in a wheelchair there was a man with a crutch he never saw the little blind man but it is two years and two years he arrived when he left and there is the value of making a folder I presented it to the director of national unía in Korea and this to the government the government authorizes me and I make a return so there we did all the riots with all the diplomatic ambassadors it was completely prohibited a Korean could enter according to your wishes they are good to drink but they drink alcohol at home of course the national officials with us, but they had a supply at night and we had to get there.

It's interesting that when it comes to darkness, we had to get there before it got dark or else later, I couldn't, in the case of the Koreans, in the case of the nationals, I could go. to the bar but during the day I opened during the day and does activities for the children, for example the Yamahas, the little goats after the magic because there were no active ones but my son is also involved, they talk a little because the whole community was because that It was also part of the fact that they gave me permission that I was going to provide a good to the community, a clear service, a good to the entire community, then of course the director of the nation sent a level well, it is a certain power there to achieve government and the use that we made. games for children if you wanted to tell a story you had to ask permission to tell a story no there are no books books books they had enough because they were the books that the parents of each of them already and not they review of course if a book about politics the life of george bush well maybe they are going to remove it but if not then the books the child's story all of that doesn't happen anything either in that sense they are not that they don't really know me for example when I entered korea the first time to a hard disk this disk seems to me like a speaker and of course they seem like spiegel to me those big old ones have stripes and they were not hard disk that six of those old big two give you clear then they are primitive like what to watch in all areas of life but in a real people and in the transmission of knowledge other tactics is that it is with children, you could not risk telling, for example, these classic children's stories disguised with a political message, which, furthermore, I am not like that, and also, how you wished my son So what I did was more magic, make them laugh, do the moments later in Manizales, put on a movie with a face and you can bring things from China.

Yes, we do because we have a daughter and it's normal, but for example, you could have traveled because of course China is a country. friend from North Korea but he could have traveled, for example, to the United States and returned to North Korea or there they probably don't allow you entry and a good question I don't know I don't know why he never did it there is a united nations policy with your old woman already every 45 days in a month and a half you have to leave korea for a week for a sanitation issue to return it then we normally because there are two flights a week in russia beijing and then we train china because china is fantastic i woke up thing and it's true that The level of worship of the great leader makes them think that they have supernatural powers.

The common Korean that for them is their god, they get a type of power. For example, a Johnny wrote more than I don't know how many books that if you do a calculation, he believed like a book every half hour the entire libraries full of books by him so the Koreans say if you he wrote so many books because time supernatural wheat the taming ramiro what you say is quite worrying because it is precisely what the international media said yesterday that It is whether this leader is indeed an irrational leader and there is the danger of nuclear weapons and the hydrogen bomb, two years in North Korea, Ramiro, we are also with Guillermo Holzmann, he explained to us how daily life is lived in North Korea and We had agreed that you said that Koreans believe that their leader has a kind of special powers and special powers are those who think that the leader is the maximum expression of the capacity that the North Korean has to represent them in all the dimensions given. and because they have, that is, there is no religion but it is the leader, do not worship this leader, worship him in his photo, now Lawrence has billboards throughout the city and they ask for things from the leader, written many books, many and they believe him, they have like the Arabs for For example, they read the Koran, they read the idea, their check, their chip, which is the doctrine that Kim Jong-il Kim created to indoctrinate their people and they read it every day.

In that photo they showed that there is a man who moves a tree I know what he is reading he is reading he is reading it is at the time of reading that book and everything he reads and like the prayer it is the time to read that book and it is a prayer and we know what things are written in excess but I know that there is that book I know that many people read them and kaka the photo that there is the photo that he is reading very concentrated this man who paints the trees the white section no then that is the problem with this rooster and there he sat down to read like a Korean Koran For me they are happy like no no I didn't perceive happiness in their face or in the things they did they survive when you see them walk or see them do things they are not happy they are like zombies they are like automatic like the fair fell it didn't count and toay straight and many times these go in groups en masse and I don't know why they are like in the middle of nowhere if there is nothing close to industry, there are many people, many transfers and 160 people together almost walking as if they were a military parade and they don't talk They are not laughing among them but there is not a couple in hand.

Now it is curious with the description that you give of what it would be like in North Korea if they are a type of zombies as indicated to us because they do not reveal themselves although this has consequences for several generations. because one could say well all complete families are willing to pay the cost but not continue leading such a miserable life I am convinced that I also thought that there could be a silent revolution somewhere but not because they say such a lucky job Nationally, those who don't see that there is a problem either, it's the only thing they know, the dad, the mom, the children, the grandparents, have known for five generations the same way of living, so for that, and it's just that sad, that strong. but for them there is no other option and they do not know others that they know that they are unique in the world or they have knowledge that there are people who know because I imagine they probably, if they are not happy, at least try to find comfort within what they live but They know that there is greater freedom elsewhere or different lifestyles that that is what happens they are happy worshiping solids what I don't know about us another type of happy I have no idea that someone walks not they look for example Korean is The common Korean believes that espionage is still with these glasses, this great movie, they stayed there until then, the cold war begins, the two Koreas separate and there the country stagnates, so until then they don't know me and now these people are dead, all the others of the new generation and they do not know any other reality than what I say is no longer present today and that they are completely in agreement with that, the only thing is that there is no permission for the national officials, the people of the party, to leave and they do.

They can do it but not the Korean like 10 options now and Guillermo how much longer can he resist a situation on a global level because it gives the feeling that it is like a constant violation of the essential human rights of a person and one has seen that the other communist countries have has been opening up, as I said, Vietnam, China, South Korea, but what is happening with the North, the options for alternative power to Kim Jong-un, which he gives to his brother who was assassinated and all the new ones, in addition, they could eventually take power. been imprisoned or murdered as a result, the first thing you should know is that there is no alternative to Kim Jong-un for a country that has been in this dynastic scheme for more than 40 years in addition to 50, in fact in practice there is no There is a possibility that someone from within the regime can respond to be an alternative of power.

I think so. The first, second North Korea has survived thanks to the support of Russia and towards the support it allocates now and for the light and for the corner the fact that with the north exists and is a good buffer to avoid or stop the US influence in all those areas, consequently we go North Korea both functional to the balance and of course to the geostrategic balance at a global level then at that time today when you look at the discussion that there is where donald campo one part is saying we can go to nuclear war there because apart from the united nations russia and stretch is saying no we are not going to dialogue first we have to negotiate in those two are two extremes the probability of changing the regime is impossible we are talking of more than 26 million inhabitants where more than 50 percent are military and with the possibility of even increasing it with a conventional capacity in terms of very powerful weapons, there are 11 thousand artillery pieces pointing at South Korea, so the day chain is quite concrete to say or you go to the full extreme of a nuclear war with the hundreds of lives that that can mean in terms of costs or you go to a very surgical conventional attack in both situations to anyone if there is a complaint something warlike forget the to say disaffects international trade of I immediately raise the price for your vote, which is not convenient, but all our contributions are born like this, General Ramiro.

One understands the laws, the rules, some that can be made extreme or not. We are going to review images of the haircuts allowed for women, not only for them. With the cuts allowed women and the costs also allowed for women they cannot wear long hair in North Korea in Andalusia but someone who is the most radical greyhound like mine is for men and for women how good it is that there are 18 types of use long hair can't be done and they have long hair they have hair but they don't do hairstyles for example they don't have notice they don't dress in a sexy way in fact the traditional Korean costume is very covered it's like how you don't call the admission physical is not shown The legs do not show their figure, sports play, and for example, if they have a beach where they go on vacation, women can use three bathrooms.

They are 60 and in terms of Kim Young's offspring, his age is not even known well, it is known that he is young, but There are no further records of when he was born, it is said that he was in his twenties, early 30s, the truth is that he is going to have a child, he may have children, he already has children, who are the heirs, we also know a little about his wife, we also know little about his wife, who is going to be the heir, of course. We don't know, the only thing I know about this character who studied in Sweden was in Europe for a long time and that I am in a good university with everything well prepared, but I also know that his father chose him because just as crazy as he is, he was the only one who I want an older brother and he protected himself, I have and normally we who believed before that he was going to be the successor of course the first-born because it was not like that because the first-born also studied in Europe but they do not have the same way will think no he is not so strong so sweet he is just as crazy, even though they are entitled, of course they have this man, the one who is in the state of Kim Jong-un now, has launched more rockets in less time than his father, so the father chose him, that's why he did it, he had he knew who was in power, although we hope In other words, he is going to create a monster if he has a son and in that sense it is because of the experience that you have already lived, that is, you who are capable of sending a hydrogen bomb to another country, for example, in this nuclear test that we are experiencing.

Guam island in the USA, which is the closest one you could reach, imagine looking at what your grandfather had, who was, he already did many things and everyone but he didn't manage to transcend so much because well, there was never a war, they never did anything to him, it was blocked and something that has been throughout the history of Korea then the ability then comes here miami the same thing he also launched rockets he also wanted to do things but not now I think that since he does not have children for example he wants to leave whose music the rumba and I break them would be doing something unprecedented that no one has been capable of and crazy like robbing another country, unfortunately I think it is very possible knowing the country knowing social, imagine that they are prepared for the war of 60 years ago they have never shot anything ever there is something else that is super important for example The Korean military is not all that much so some who askmake us leave and there are things beyond, those who are, for example, on the border are those who are on the border with South Korea, they are in the part that turns out to be drinking coke and taking photos, they are not there for rigidity, they are normal, they are the normal customer.

So they say when the war starts because the war starts the war the war is ordered everything is a way to escape so we have to suddenly get together or a militia and decide to attack so that the conflict may someday be formed with the Koreans of the south with china china also has a border with the thread and a river that walking the decisions only has advisors who tell him look at this if this does not suit us the truth is that I wanted to answer that but also you just want that no one dares to contradict even if not You are right, you are a photographer, everything was in North Korea.

These photos, the ones we are going to take now, were taken by you. They have not caught our attention because of what we can even capture and also what is shown in residential buildings is an essential space that What is the name of the essential thing that is not set in North Korea, everything is hidden, you never know what happens inside, inside there, there is like a whole space of people interacting, cooking, playing, children doing something that you cannot be, and how they get in, they are for a reason. side door but it can't be but there are others on the stage and later no longer what happens is that the conditions that it has that it has as plans in every sense that it was showing that it was a large road that is for example in broad daylight in a of the main avenues of piña you see building 25, a 25-story building, being for the man who grilled potatoes to rest a little, incredible now, because the streets are so big, this city, hey, wait, then these highways that have to practically There are no cars, as you said, they say in the images, almost landing strips, that's why they are so big and why build such big highways, there is no out today, it is impressive, like the schedule there, there is no transportation, super precarious, super super old, they are from sonsoles. and the tram is usually the life they have.

I hope they live close to normal work. The houses are small. The apartments are small. I had the opportunity to visit the United Nations. I went to see a house, but everything is prepared. See everything is false. There was a lot of food. The refrigerator was full. I had a microwave TV and that is what they show us to the Westerner because what we lack we have everything but there is a radio that is monitored, for example, the newspaper, the newspaper is posted on some wall panels in the corner of the stops on a bus and the news that what the president did, he got up the cookie factory so much, he visited the school so much and launched after the field that basically all of them and this photo that we are seeing that is also good is also superior to and it is because that the size that you think is a full fan assembly making you an assembly is a football match is football and ss the North Koreans who were supported Koreans who were playing me in Brazil the white claw because a photo with the head pressing the photo because it was a football match is that if you notice the people's clothes are red, it was like the team's team, they were women, right, and above you can see the ones in red, the rock plan and some other women in between, how are they?

In a soccer match that shows you a lot about how they live in general and in the week in which decision they have the power of freedom, I don't know what decision they could make but there is a limit to the number of children they can have, they cannot be and they have more or less how many children because they are very afraid of having women, it is also super terrible because well, women have little and that's it until the man and the family, how is health, health, they have free health care and those from the government. now there is nothing there is nothing there is no medicine for example I will tell you a micro story an accident cut his nose in a cast more screaming and we took him to a hospital that was very close to where I lived and it turns out that the pastoral doctor arrives No, but they didn't have anesthesia and they didn't have you.

If they didn't have anesthesia, it wasn't the best possible, so of course, health care for them is free. They also receive tickets for their work with which they can buy those portions of rice with 3 eggs each. per week but I don't know that I don't know what level of health they have but for example someone who has appendicitis dies of appendicitis because it can't be intervention people the third so there shouldn't be many what we talked about before and there isn't crippled, I have never seen, for example, a person with down syndrome who died, there are many abortions, they will not be held in a separate place, there are also many, many families who have children like that, just to say the house or with the noisemaker with the town midwife and if it is born wrong they directly throw it away they have another way of thinking about another also as I tell you there is the human part of the Korean that being human in the whole world is something that you can no longer change did not come before this person suffers for so long because they are going to Your children are not going to have a good time, they themselves prefer Ramiro.

We have more photos than the ones you took in North Korea, which is a luxury because it is prohibited to take photographs, even if you think it is something so basic, say, but with some, the end is not It is possible but here Ramiro took photos we want to analyze them with you and tell us what meaning they have like the one we are seeing below for example that what what it is don't answer me Ramiro let's go to a short commercial break and we'll be back in the very good morning fortsmann and with ramiro, a chilean who lived two years in north korea and ramiro tell us then what are we doing in this photo that you took that what means it will be good look at this photo is the border the whereabouts 40 so is this the front part of the photo is south korea the back is north korea I don't know if you can see it but what's going on this is the border there the Koreans stand looking towards their country they make their own country not from the front looking I mean looking towards Korea north because they send a signal to their people that they cannot serve and they are not worried that someone enters if they are not worried that they will leave us then it is an interesting photo in that sense and there in that house and they are you see who is looking towards is facing north korea because what is behind where is that line where are the two soldiers looking at each other that is with the south and what happens if someone tries to cross and get past it is almost impossible to get to it past the cubans in At some point when they wanted to escape from Fidel Castro's regime, they went on a raft and risked their lives to reach the United States.

In this case, people risk not only their own lives but also the lives of their families and that is what happens and that is why. that takes us away, but also Korean or Asian culture in general is different from the Latin one, so the Latin does carry freedom in itself and that germ of not being oppressed, although it has to do with the colony, it has to do with Western history, a series of things is not the same as say and destiny and vietnam - north korea and even less with the north where there is an absolute rigidity in how it indoctrinates you so the possibility that you want to go out simply leads to the fact that if you want to do it you They kill and what do I know in a prison for many years without any possibility of visiting you, it has been my right, nothing sanz, the only thing the government exists about is that those are the people who are in prison, so why did you say in North Korea?

There is no crime because no one dares, well, there is not much to steal either, but crimes do not occur to people who are imprisoned, even for reasons that they say they arrived for. Basically, the prisoners in Korea are political prisoners, prisoners of sectors of the government, opponents of the government, basically. That's clear and the problem is that the houses are not huge, they are full because it is the problem of the cuts that one falls, this covers up to the third generation because for the Koreans then for example if I leave my country obviously because they don't know but My family is going to pay to pay so it is very likely that someone is at this time, there are others who, when they take one of them prisoner and their member of the table, run there because there is no other option left, at least their name is to kill well if they kill me they all won't start but if not there is no other option but we have some images I want to go around the world without a doubt of an American who takes out a sign where of course it is like intervening in the thought to the ideology Enrique will be disrespectful logical and that he took the pain but also looks at the bad luck this rooster is that the American that America does not because he is the archrival the archrival of the archenemy of North Korea so he is the luxury of a poster of a hotel of the poster and Well, you saw what the North Koreans do, they show the world that they don't come to me with things here, much less you, and that's what happened.

Something that I don't know, but I could believe it, that we, nowhere, is the regime so installed that people He doesn't even risk doing something that is against the rule of law, now the president of Korea killed a person, the speech and the rest and more because imagine the rest of life, that because it also sends a signal now if someone He tries to kill Kim Jong-un if he bears the penalties of hell and everything, but I imagine that this dynasty is ending, of course the issue is how it ends because finally behind writing a there is the entire army, this decade of indoctrination and some He is going to suffer as a successor the issue of being like when he looked at the eldest son who finally murdered him in Malaysia by the secret services of North Korea.

In short, he thought that the eldest son precisely had greater openness and thought of a North Korea following the path From China we changed what he thought and the reason why they finally elected one who was much more basic in terms of his approach but more loyal in terms of soft thinking, consequently what he does when he comes to power is already a long time ago. a few years ago it was to eliminate all those who might have some openness towards the corner because with the north the idea of ​​greater openness had been proposed and as it is then when things go badly but it finally takes over killing or imprisoning anyone who may have some more open or more revolutionary idea in quotes by including the possibility that there was no alternative before him and the only alternative was his brother and his brother apparently because according to the analyzes circulating that he was given over to the possibility of that if they killed his brother, the current one, he could take over and it was a sign of reunification.

Even seeing here, a dynasty like that of North Korea cannot be modified like this immediately but rather it must be a gradual process and the problem The North still believes that there are no options for a gradual process like that and today what they are trying to do is that the North does not have a nuclear program and for that the United States is making the decision to put economic pressure on it by putting pressure on the countries that are negotiating. controlled of the north to be able to generate precisely an obligation for Kim Jong-un to give in, what happens is that the most likely thing is that he will not know and here comes the evidence and the important date is going to be this September 9, here we continue in this anniversary with the north and normally on this anniversary is when north korea does a number of tests to nuclear descriptions war demonstrations of all kinds until the great parade that is constantly repeated so the northern escorial today is similar to being a dead end but North Korea is a threat to the world and to the extent that it has a nuclear weapon and the total possibility we do not know if the H bomb or not but it does not matter is the zero between two million and seven million people who could die because it explodes one that could be North Korea in spheres is fierce and that again forced other countries to also have atomic bombs of blood, but when you say Guillermo, the economic closure, we export something to North Korea, if we export several things, among them wine, some agricultural products, some cured products, that is, we as a country are going to have to make the decision whether to support the United States or continue, therefore, it is Korean, but we have to look at how events are going.

There are two things that are different, the United States is unilaterally living to all the countries that negotiate with the United States but at the same time negotiate at the loss of the North to refrain from doing so to pressure the Koreans but at the same time the decisions they are making in the security council are not unique where there are also sanctions and Those sanctions are enough to put pressure on North Korea, so today one position is that it is to completely suffocate North Korea so that it has no access to anything as the only way to force it to give in with its nuclear program and stop developing it and allow itself to be controlled. and the other possibility that they are playing is that a conventional or conventional bomb but there a spiral begins and you know how it begins but not how it ends chari what do you think is going to happen because ramiro told us that he is a very irrational person who He believes that he is absolutely capable of detonating a nuclear bomb and we applied at the beginning that this hydrogen bomb is capable of making Santiago disappear completely, so if it is going to be the world that is going to be, the United States can attack North Korea by surprise, attack North Korea, It means a major disaster because even when you search for conventional weaponsYou are facing a country where you have always thought that I am at war with the United States, that is, a country that has conventional, it could be the 60s to the 40s.

The 70s could be obsolete if you like the technological point, but it is also a technological security thing from the north to develop a cyber attack capacity, for example, just like what they did with the new Hollywood movies that North Korea was so big on, then there are a number of things that and also and with the North they have how they can confront it and that would clearly be a clearer or could this also be a kind of war without weapons because a threat still blocks commercially says the US while North Korea well blocks look at what I can throw and has a bomb so it could be that this has developed from a threat in the threat but that in the end it will never reach the conflict if it is a possibility but I would say as it is, it is advancing very well, that is, the number of tests it has done in this period and with greater technology and greater lethality, that is, the weapons that it has been showing.

The technological capacity far exceeds what you had this year ago because we are just reviewing the graph, we had the last nuclear test, we pressed for an idea when it was when Barack Obama was in power in the US and North Korea government house, it was calmer. or that's what it seemed like, I have a very particular vision, it is that these comics, then the comics, there is always a villain in this game and the rooster that the US and the North are having, they associate the skin and that is what worries us that they could beat us It would be super easy but the United Nations get together and we attack the industry, we are ready here after it comes, the problem is that we have to re-educate those are five generations of the aberration, so of course in battle this rooster but you have to kill many more roosters that come from back because they think the same and do the same and then well because they don't attack rainy that we all needed a country like this in international politics even though it hurts us and even though it's bad to say it for the guy with the gun he's going to keep the world there calmly he took root book that the powers need and because of the lucas and I am of this generates many lucas also that is what I think that I believe that the world needs north korea it would be very easy to attack allies like this openly to the level of allies I would say there are no those who see the need to dialogue with North Korea as the one that helps reduce the case of China that is closer and also supports North Korea in its autonomy and what Iran is doing as it is also within that there is a certain closeness for example the one that in the case of Cuba, the mechanics are the Bolivarian countries, I hope that they do not maintain such a complete closeness either, but they would be much more inclined to all that.

There they say that they would make an African country with the North, which has also made a lot of investments in the African country, and then if one begins to think that There is only North Korea, if in terms of a first photograph it appears very alone, but if we go to the political game or rather the geopolitical game at a global level, of course, surprise in everything in all of that, then I would say that we have to take a little with caution and in what is currently in the world debate regarding how tram has been acting in north korea, you will know above all the power and leadership is held by china, which in the second world economy that supports them and russia if they take away The support there is basically left without floor because the other countries are less relieved and absolutely that is only what is relevant and what happens and both many and Chinese only that they have veto power of the United Nations Security Council consequently what they can open the door for majorities of economic sanctions to Korea or they can stop then today the coast has gone that the security council-Bonaparte with the position of China Russia France the truth is and England and the United States who only live by veto and the unilateral action of what worries us is that the us and donald so particularly already demonstrated that he was capable of ordering an attack without notifying anyone although it was the case with very little time, which was the case of airport desidia or the launching of the largest conventional bomb in afghanistan then That is where we begin to look at all this with uncertainty and the nuclear test that North Korea finally carried out this past Sunday ultimately also gives an account of that will and begins to have an effect on the world economy and we have ramiro in the idea of the change of power to generate a possibility of having an opening in North Korea that the most difficult thing beyond the free ones is what you Ramiro said is to change the mentality of the people of these multiple generations because they live them, they feel the regime and it is In their day to day life we ​​also talk about how they entertain themselves how they have fun they have their cinema for example and if they have to see it look and that is a super good movie but all that movie I had seen a photo also in all the movies they are fictitious movies of invented war that they won and if they are not about the suffering that the North Koreans suffered by the Americans in the Second World War or by the South Koreans in the Cold War then they always watch the movie they see but they are they love you leader they are political Sorry, they are movies with war content and everything, but they are movies that they show, for example, to the child at school and they tell them that these are the wars that we have won, these are our trophies, the world is afraid of us in the cinema, it shows it is a super old movie. because kim jong-il's father was a filmmaker and he ordered the construction of a movie studio, which is but gigantic and it was not like scenery but rather a real building and then the bomb was because they make people basically breathe the regime as they see it.

They entertain with the regime they see it when walking while working the father looks happy at the prize this I swear is an aberrant country all that happens is being there when you began to understand to live it feel it as it begins to waste money because being there without Being able to do anything is like you are also supporting that, you agree, but for example, from what you told us then about these films that they show to children at school, all of them seem to plant an audio system against capital and charges. Of course, and for example, your son managed to go to school and was in a different school because they don't let him go to the same ones as the North Koreans and what education he had.

Look, my son, I was there at that time in Beijing and he was super more than anything. I play a game and the teacher speaks English but very basic. One child speaks much better than her, so the more game they made him play to say that there were about 43 to be able to get paid but there was no bigger program, he can know, look when the families of the Of the people who work in information in North Korea, when they already have their son who is going to leave school, there is no middle school for the international person.

They leave or they go with their mother. The diplomat stays in Korea and they also get They teach you that there is a leader that you have to greet this leader because you enter the school and there is also the photo of the man and you also have to greet the NEETs, they form themselves and they sing and the relationship exists is that they have an embassy that Russian embassy which is also very very large for many Russians on the subject and they have an Orthodox church I don't know anything about that either but the North Koreans do not have their religion and in these parades that we see it was opened at some point that those missiles were fake, the model was stupid because in the photo I already showed the real trucks, it is the ones that are on the street that are prepared in case there is currently an event and they are not like the old ones, look at the superhighway at an airport but what you say is strange Because if they have a hydrogen bomb and nuclear weapons, they should have the latest type of tanks and weapons or not, Cristian is sure that he has demonstrated the ability to launch a ballistic missile and that is totally technological.

There are 23 places in North Korea prepared for that. how much my five critics probably have very few but it is enough to have one that can place a miniature nuclear warhead with all the elements to then launch it, which is not known if it has new time, for example the nuclear bomb that explodes this Sunday the bomb of Hydrogen, which makes it very difficult for dance to have that capacity, and at a subterranean level, is that when you have a non-complete development of all of that process, then there are already many doubts regarding the north, but the issue is that the doubt, that is, North Korea will shout it, the doubt and it has to do a little with the hermetic nature of the regime where no one can say what is true and what is not true now but the doubt is where because one can block up to a limit but for example I'm going to To read Kim Jong-un's words in the face of this blockade, he threatened the United States.

The response was the following: The day the United States dares to bother our nation with nuclear weapons and sanctions, its territory will be catapulted into an unimaginable sea of ​​fire. It is not a Any threat to a power like the United States is not normal if it refers to its archenemy because North Korea's internal discourse is that it is winning the political war against the United States. They are almost ready to receive an attack from Huixtán, Trump exactly, that is, he could receive then. North Korea an attack by the US on these statements and what we are going to see below would be the impact that a bomb would have on the directive, so if it fell impressively on us when we returned during the commercial break, we are going to reveal what the real impact it would have This hydrogen bomb, the H bomb, back from the commercials, has very good intentions.

We are seeing what would be, of course, the impact of the H bomb here in Santiago from the currency. We did all this when we returned here. It is a very good morning, shocking that we began. Now let's compare what the Hiroshima bomb is with this hydrogen bomb and what it would be like if our country fell right on the coin and we see the magic if we are not seeing it, for example the Hiroshima bomb being detonated on the coin in the image What we are seeing would destroy a round area between Usach and Santa Rosa, which is what we are seeing at this moment in such and the reserve no longer pay much, very much attention because the h bomb averages this hydrogen bomb that there we are seeing a little the graphic that is 3,000 times more powerful three thousand to give you an idea we also have this same graphic attention is to be detonated in the same place as the heroin for example the currency here in Santiago eye the destruction would be between the airport and the Dominicans there we are seeing The image of practically all employees is capable of killing, according to what we discussed with you Guillermo, between 5 and 7 million inhabitants of the Santiago Desert and is completely embraced in a few seconds without counting all the damage subsequent to all of this, which increases the number of victims as it passes. the days and now it's you and me because according to what the US ambassador to the United Nations said, he pointed out that this abusive use of missiles by North Korea was calling for a war or a military attack by the US towards them The truth is that according to what new considers this way and the way in which the United States has confronted it, they definitely have an hour if we need to talk about the north, a small country of course, it always leaves it always facing a United States that has obvious military superiority and where today it is everything full of US naval deployment throughout the Pacific coast of Asia then I would say that if a guide is so great and what North Korea is looking for is that the US can first cops to act first with the North the victim victim then a little In the permanent provocation here what the United States is doing is putting pressure on China to get involved much more and also Russia to get involved much more here is a game that is perverse if you will in terms of creating a clash with my Korea.

North specifically regarding North Korea's nuclear capacity and that generates global uncertainty, but what is being negotiated in parallel is the trade or economic agreement between the United States and China, so here it is not just a single thing but a banana on the table. It is something a little more complex and that is why he lived this unusual way in which Donald Camping, the one from IU will deal with the North, generates concern because that is not the usual thing in diplomacy and it is not known if he would actually trade. He asked us on Monday in an attack. decided madness so we are not going to attack something and there obviously the response of the US and Ramiro how important what you said is because it is still not difficult for them and what I sent and yesterday in the international media was that doing an analysis here in yogurt like a leader What they want, well, if he were a rational person, like a normal leader, obviously it would not lead to a war or not, but the problem is that we do not know if we are dealing with someone who is rational, and there you told us that no, quite the opposite, that you even believe that He is a person who wants to go to war, he wants to go to war like his father, his grandfather didn't do it either, I think he wants to go as far as he wants to grow, he wants to be the one who detonated this conflict, the one who dropped the bomb, I don't know how much and the one that the world for history will know the story of course I think yes I think it is capable I think it is capable I think it has a people because when I was there I saw it and I lived it it is prepared they are also waiting and the algorithm knows about these pretensions I think so, I think so, because they are constantly receiving information from the courts that the Japanese are bad, that the Americans are bad too.They are constantly bad, they are receiving this so I think that the way the North Korean sees the South Korean is bad but they look at the Korean in a 60 because the imperialist was also a consumerist in it the women go around without clothes they paint the hair are they are rebels or they did not lose the focus of the Korean they have the possibility, for example, of joining the US allies in the event of a third war and having a Guillermo base, but here is how far the US and the world will be willing to go. put up with kim jong-un because you say of course he is searching him he is crawling so that the US is the first to intervene what will be the limit do you think at what minute the US is going to have to intervene or who is going to act first that is not known is defining now this week are going to be crucial regarding how far you really want to go, where his negotiation scheme is, so atypical in the diplomatic world, and because of that concern, the United Nations Security Council regarding how all this is going to be carried out.

Because the normal thing is that sanctions are established against Kim Jong-un or countries like North Korea that are validated by the United Nations Security Council. Chile will most likely support every council resolution if I go to the United Nations, but not exactly. They are going to support the actions on one side of the United States, so there is a difference that places, I would say, an additional element until when, until Kim Jong-un no longer has any more possibilities in any time rehearsal, that is, the possibilities of rehearsals have ended because Russia or China or the United States does not have the capacity to maintain a permanent level of testing or simply until Destin decides to definitively put pressure on North Korea and Murcia, which William Donald Trump delivered statements regarding this possibility of having some type of decision whether or not to start the attack on the question what is this journalist doing the answer of course go ahead he said it all we will see how it stops in the coming days if it is possible that well as it is possible but if we continue asking ourselves questions in a rational way act without the support from china, yes, it has the autonomy solution that kim jong-un knows perfectly well and that north korea is functional for corner and russia's interests, therefore he feels that a chinese blackmail capacity has been taking distance and even It has imposed sanctions, thus seeing the solutions of the United Nations, the Security Council has imposed sanctions.

Russia maintains an economic and commercial relationship with North Korea that has increased in the last incident in the last month of this year. Here it is basically energy, which one thing that the big difference that North Korea has, then rain, here is an issue in terms of which Kim Jong-un can still stretch drastically because he knows that if it works for China, it works for Russia and they know that if North Korea did not exist, hegemony or the US influence that area would be complete against the same but with Japan South Korea if the US does not act and wants to act yes or yes in North Korea then why if the US in which they have where same who attacks the island of Guam which is the only one that the US has scope, for example the one in which if we take into account that a nuclear attack is unlikely and because it is unlikely because the costs in the nuclear case in the north will disappear, it is the worst scenario that is unlikely, the second is that there is a conventional attack and that can be from surgical attacks that is, North Korea shooting at Japan or at UAM or at some island or islet if they generate let's say deaths if not here also targeting something and the US does the same but that alone In fact, it increases attention in everything that is Asia to unimaginable levels because everyone is going to think that no matter how logical those attacks with conventional weapons are, what is going to happen next could be nuclear and the same public, William, we have more statements of donald trump because these statements we heard are not the only ones he also made it a few days ago about the aggressiveness of north koreans we want to see if they are 6 i have my me with fire efe they are very shocking this word so because what happens is when he delivers these statements They are very provocative, Koreans with immediate reactions, I already know what he says, do not threaten me, point to the north, since the United States may think, play the nuclear one, we are thinking about whatever base it has where it is, he has placed the invisible launchers on me, let's remember that there are satellites here or That is to say, not everything is naval but there is a lot of technology involved for the cinema in North Korea.

The entire system is an anti-missile defense system that has been installed in North Korea and now the depth is also in Japan. This connects, let's technique and allows us to know still the destination is missing unit looks there is also here in the graph the range that it has of the missiles there it has a number of missiles therefore with the north many submarines too that is to say here you can take the in conventional terms to a slow gradual escalation but increasingly much more powerful, someone who was all negotiated and the only way he would negotiate would be if he did not have access to anything, that is, his access to food was abruptly cut off, that is, everything that is trade North Korean who is subjected to doing is cutting off food, energy, part of the light, it is difficult to think that this could happen, it is difficult to think, but the pressure that exists today with the threat that North Korea has in terms of an eventual use of its nuclear capacity Even though it is typical to immolate oneself, although it would be very the logic of today or nothing, then that possibility who sells personalities beyond the support they have is some topics and ERC or IU days and the Cuba cycle and that is why it is seen that The next few weeks and the next few days are going to be crucial in everyone there, Donald Trump said that if Korea continues threatening in the background, touching their ears, the United States will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen, what he means by something like that.

In conventional terms, he would be referring to the launch of the mother bomb, as the American calls it, that the big mother who has already tried it for the first time in Afghanistan has encountered the cannibals, the air people, and yes, he was in training, we could talk. From that I would say that no one is going to dare to use a nuclear bomb like that, from one moment to the next a nuclear bomb is going to be part of a process but today and the probabilities of using nuclear weapons are very few except for the threat that The economic impact on a global level is complete and fatal. sell or buy masters but it doesn't matter what we left it and of course exactly then anything that happens and affects the maritime routes affects trade in the case of chile with south korea with china with japan because all those countries are going to place their population that would mean for us as a country and that is one thing is deduced below a possible part pressure copper Santiago because there is a greater a war environment that demanded greater consumption of copper to be able to have the issues of soul and communication and other things but that It is also everything that we are, everything else that we import is going to be waiting for the countries or waiting for the ships to be able to start going there is affected and not only us, that is to say that we have the United States, Europe and all the points in addition also a testimony and teacher girl was 14 years old when she started 14 years old and I think we all listened to it with a lump in our throat because I really don't know if there are testimonies as raw as this or one is not used to hearing it know it and here ramiro I want to ask you about What one of the most shocking things because everything was that one believed that nothing worse existed and I was already describing an even more terrible situation to you but I want to stay with a key phrase that she said that we are not treated as human beings Larsson to that I tried to explain I tried to explain it with sympathy to explain why it is so difficult to talk about something that I actually experienced and that is so strange and so cruel that this little girl says it a little well now what this guy was saying country things happen that you or that we, the people in your house have no idea, you don't even imagine that they could happen and they are happening now now there are some we are from the mill edition in north korea but there then no guillermo rightly says of unclean like we didn't have a heart like we have to live it so that it's really not good that we can this pain that so many people are experiencing, no one like that is not there.

I think that many people who do something but the international system is incapable of being able to solve or fix those things that they have What to do with humanity, you go to Africa, they die easily, badly, 2,000 people a day throughout Africa today, 2,000 people a day, the more than 10,000 who are refugees fleeing conflicts in Africa, the Middle East and Africa, from more than 145 terrorist groups, the same as ISIS. 145 in Asia in North Korea a regime through the Middle East knows as a completely hermetic closed regime where the international scheme goes beyond what was wanted to finally pressure non-intervention in sovereign affairs another country takes precedence over many other things more honor yes You are left with the feeling that it is not right and that something is not right makes it impossible since the international system can take care of all of this except by looking for she knew where the will of everyone in positive terms can open those dirty paths and Ramiro for you.

What did you see from this testimony there because she is a girl who finally escaped for her mother, she crossed rivers, she was tortured, she was sold for 200 dollars and she is so brave to give this testimony when she sees that they are freed, which for you Albert also experienced with girls of her age and maybe she doesn't even consider the possibility of escaping because they don't know anything else, she said she didn't know love, there is no Romeo or Juliet and she is also super strong because because I understand it, I understand her and I believe her, I know that everything she said is very convincing obviously really the connection of her marrow deep in her heart wants the world to give an answer because people are living on sugar and that happens that happens she always wanted to explain it happens it always happens there are many people who do not achieve it, yes, that is the problem and they have already achieved it and can give this testimony to the world.

I can also tell them, but there are 30 million people who continue to suffer in that country. We cannot do anything apart from giving testimony. I can tell you what. That I experienced the things that happen in Korea is not much, but shocking stories that go hand in hand with what this testimony gave us to a girl who at the age of nine began this escape seeking freedom from her mother and fulfilling The mission of education is what we are going to continue doing. Knowing what Korean life is like, we are going to convince you and we will all continue and continue talking about the situation in North Korea, this 14-year-old girl who at a world summit As young people, she gives her testimony of what it is like to live in North Korea, of what her mother suffered, not only of the abuse, but also of the lack of freedom, being that how she was tortured, how her mother was abused, and how her best friend's mother was killed for watching a film and testimonies as shocking as someone who made an international appeal to Ramiro, they killed him and his entire family, as I told you before, true, those things, those are the things that happen in Korean, it's difficult, it's difficult in those two years that I was there, I also saw dead people in the street, I saw little children that I had, it's because there is compensation, they are poorly cared for, they are dirty, they have infections on their skin and you can't even touch them, for they are like lost from the street and in the bottom leaving these corpses just as you say in the street so that people understand what can happen to you if you do not follow this regime there are no public executions that exists and is registered but there are no people who die of illness they are sick The street gives them an attack and they die and they are left lying on the street and nothing happens.

It's not that you have to shoot. Nothing happens. Absolutely nothing. It's like the value of human life in Korea. Explain. I don't know how to make it something. that I had never heard in a society that is that love oppresses you, she did a little bit of what you pointed out that some people don't see people holding hands, I don't see marriages that want a couple that expresses love, that's what That I would tell you in front of me, no, I never saw that in two years I never saw anyone kiss as soon as we started to see healthy people walking hand in hand and you looked at it as strange if you and your wife, for example, are nervous like the funny kid and look at what they are doing and many times we, the officer, don't let them, we throw at them, we always do it and they do many other things, we try like I am not cordial with me, I could open a little more in front of the same thing because there is a part where She also says my mother told me not to whisper so that I wouldn't cry because the birds and mice can hear me and they write that there was espionage but something unusual but well it's such paranoia that when I had to speak something that was not a reference not even women working United Nations and we had to speak for example and say this here they don't give me permission for anything we talked in the shower also at some point we didn't know there were the doors downstairs and no one came in the support and we swept both the foreign departments so we always imagined that below entryThe North Koreans listened to us and they had your phone on their landline.

We didn't have cell phones with a satellite antenna. They felt that they could be tapped. There was no such thing as the usual, original giant, because it's that table and that table. I never saw the Korean. It was the table for calm and For example, do you think in your house there was also a microphone, the compression was bulky and that's why the inside of the shower with your wife against because we didn't know or she didn't write but so six months later at the beginning because we didn't talk we didn't have things to criticize because we didn't I knew how to show we didn't know anymore but starting we started in the reality of code and the reality that we started we wanted to discuss in products with families the arrival for example my son singing songs of the great leader and thus look at what I learned for potato so I wanted to discuss it with my wife The question seems to be that if they are not accusing him and that guy who wrote a paper like this as a father with your son because if he arrived almost as part of the mass so that it would not be like that also not because well we told him that well that one and return to them encouraging him was very small but I also discussed it with him we did not tell him that he did not understand anything it was all in Korean so the IDH to his fillets his questions but we are not bigger you would have been able to continue being two years older I think that he would have understood which I don't think is healthy for you as you came from, like an embassy, ​​you had to speak in English so that they would understand you or they also understood Spanish.

There were three and nothing per family but the Danish lady, my son. She was born in Belgium and I'm Chilean so we talked about her with him with the halo in French the French so they messed things up a bit so we language the family in French but language in general against people in English so we complicated them and you had some situation as if it ruled and as if it gave you more independent nerve that you knew that you are thanks to it I climbed up to the roof of the building because there is the antenna which was true but it was a lie that I climbed up to fix the antenna I I saw that I already put my tribe camera with a boat on the cover and I put it on but I did it quite often so one day it was a real technician the Koreans but the camera people yes Carmen Tonella but it was destiny because good vibes with them we always have a good For a while inside the diplomatic area, you don't know that it has a camera and up there they accuse me of espionage, no, in my case, because I had diplomatic immunity, but it's like they deported me from the country.

It caused a lot of problems for my career, my wife caused a lot of problems for nations. united because I am a member of them that was just as complicated complicated I don't think now I don't know if it's possible but I think I would have killed him then monial but the truth is ramiro and when they meet tables that on Sundays guide to a plaza like these were plazas because they are used to the statue there that must be pointed out they love the fountains this fountain that has the lotus flower is super pretty well it has many many parks so they carry their own grills they put three stones on top of it and with a stick because in The charcoal makes fire and makes people like little Coriano that on top like cut steaks so sometimes it is very fast that a little bit of fire is unparalleled here he says they play and sing and suck and play ball and share with each other very family many kids kids that is a normal part of it now you can rarely share with them a logic going from the car body to the aura outside but but but they do it and they do it on Sundays and they share between families or just I imagine that I don't believe Just like those clans that I told you about in that building that we show that you don't see inside, of course it's a plan, I give it the name slam, so they go to a park, 5 families from that building and have a barbecue and statues all the time.

It takes a long time for football to be full, but it is believed to be full. Statues of the code of wars that have won issues that do not exist. A book that the great leader made, that this new look. In the year we fought so much with the Japanese in the payroll war and we won here the total madness ramiro we want to know more about how life is in North Korea we are fixing the cable we want to know what channels existed on that cable because Koreans in general can watch only one channel if there are drinks, for example the snacks that are eat that and much more after this little break of very good morning so we go to the last break and we are back one in the afternoon with 12 minutes the very good morning is melting and you are not counting ramiro how good that moment that you were pretending to fix the cable in your house to record and have shots that did not let you do it but they used kit lane because supposedly it is already prohibited and there is only one state channel but we had satellite television so we had it in everyone's area in fact In IT there was a school hairdresser, the supermarket, everything for us so that we went out as little as possible, it's not to give us comfort, look at the market, also strange because for example on Monday they had only tomatoes after Martina for the orange but It was huge so changing all those things from Chinese during the day they sell drinks made by them and they also sell measures for example Coca-Cola but with Chinese letters only there too and this we also have the right to have Korean won and mail there are mails that can never be sent to us If a man sends it by diplomatic bag, not by mail, I was not in Malaga, then I don't know, I want to read, Ramiro, what do you want me to tell you?

Your testimony, Guillermo, is too valuable, as always with the list to tabulate thanks to an invitation.