Bounty Hunter interview-Nic

they think that if they go to treatment they will be safe, right, I can check into this facility and nothing will happen to me, well that's not entirely true, okay, if we make contact with you, if you run away from us, I can, I can, I can chase you anywhere, that's fine, but. This girl was going into treatment and we convinced her to leave the facility since she checked in, she went out to the parking lot, you know, we told her we weren't going to take her to jail, we put her in handcuffs , we took her to jail, okay, we lied. a lot and we have to do it because people don't tell us the truth, but this girl in particular was disturbing because she told us that the bail bondsman wanted her to sleep at his house and be his roommate and was trying to sleep with her and all that. . other things, so when we find out why we will return her and remove her from this treatment center right now I have her in my custody.

I'll put my bracelets on him, yes I'll put handcuffs on anyone who can. Not just take them off and let him go fine because then that could leave open the opportunity for him to maybe take bribes, I put the handcuffs on him and if I put the handcuffs on someone, they'll give them back, but that's the way it is. It stands out as a vulnerable part of the industry, you don't see that often and it's a bit greasy, it sure has to be a very stressful job because you know the drugs that are on the street now, especially like methamphetamine. go five ten days without sleep and they have these psychotic episodes, then you're dealing with someone who's crazy, yeah, drugs, um, you don't know until you start interacting with them, yeah, that's drugs, drugs.

It's a big deal, you can get a notice just for pulling into someone's driveway, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know, we trespass, you know, we go on people's property, you know, yeah There is no no trespassing sign, sign up even if there is. You know we're going to go in there, you know, absolutely, you have people coming out and shooting guns at you all the time and you know that getting angry makes your family and your loved ones feel what they feel about the life that you have. chosen here um, I wouldn't be doing this if my wife wasn't okay with it, but she has to be worried about you, yeah, sure, but yeah, but I also don't tell her that you know the things that happen.

If you know if I've had a long day I'll come home she can tell you because I'm not very talkative my nerves are shot but you know I don't tell her half of what's happening I wouldn't like it I don't want to scare her, you know? Do you do anything to help decompress them? Yeah, it catches the guy I'm looking for, but it helps decompress him. I feel better. You know. I just checked five houses. I had to find five. houses and five different members of my family told me to be myself in five different ways when I found that person.

I'm fine. I feel better. What have you learned about him? Is it our society or human nature or whatever? You know, that's uh um, there are definitely times when you, you, I, I feel hopeless, I guess you know the direction everything is going, uh, the homeless, the amount of drugs that are out there, um, you know, the fact that people drop out. I take out the cameras and video you while they beat up their friend, you know, um, I saw a group of friends not defending their friend, but instead they took out cameras and videotaped their friend while they yelled at his ass, you know and where am I from? where I grew up, you know, that's it, you don't make your friend beat up, you defend them, you know, and that's society today.

I feel like there aren't that many leaders out there anymore, yeah, there isn't that. Many leaders no longer have many people who know how to take responsibility for their actions. Own your actions and take responsibility for them. It's one thing if I pick someone up and you know he's visibly high on fentanyl or methamphetamine. well and I say, hey, you know? Did you use any drugs today? What happened? um or you know, did you steal that from your sister? Know? Did you hit your mom this morning? That's why we're here, you know your mom Scared right now, did you hit her?

If that guy comes up to me and says, Hey, you know I'm awake. I had a bad day. You know he was smoking meth this morning. I got nervous. My mom told me something and I unloaded. In it I will have a lot more respect for that person who has owned their actions instead of choosing someone who is who and this is most people, oh this is happening now, why is this happening to me , man, is she doing? I'm wrong, she shouldn't be doing, you know, those are the people that to me, uh, you should go back to jail, you're not, you're not ready to be in society, but you're victimizing people. you're not taking responsibility for the shitty things that you're doing you're not a man you know um but I feel like I feel like there's uh that's missing Society there's not a lot of leaders there's not a lot of people who take ownership of what they do oh you changed from your years doing this um I've gotten a little more uh uh I guess it thickens your skin a little you know I could get into an altercation with someone and they could say whatever they want about me and I you know I don't care you can put a phone a foot from my face and call me a and a and you know it's not going to affect me um but uh, it's done.

I'm a little angry at certain types of people, that's for sure, yes, society seems to be getting worse in some ways, yes, you know, people who have very few opportunities to get ahead in life are just doing it. everything they can to find it, you know, a quick lick, a quick Buck or whatever, yeah, and they'll do whatever it takes to get it, yeah, and that usually breaks the law absolutely and, back to what I was saying. about uh, not taking ownership there are excuses for everything you know that's why I did that no, you did it because you felt like doing it right, someone else didn't make you do the shitty things you were doing and no one like me I said that That's what I've seen is that people don't take responsibility for their actions and then for drugs.

I mean, you know someone who's high. I mean, it's not like that. You can legally hold him responsible for his actions, right? You even have to ask yourself that because you know that someone is so high that they don't know what they're doing, you know, and that's what's happening today, you have people running around that are dangerous people that are willing to hurt other people. . and not really realizing what they're doing what's your biggest fear when you do this kind of work um probably children probably young people um it's funny because I don't normally worry about myself it's probably kind of weird Um my biggest worry It's probably the way things are going in society, that's probably my biggest concern.

Now, when I'm out when we're working, I have many occasions where I'll be about to do something that's dangerous. um and I'm starting to get nervous, I mean, I think adrenaline is always part of it, but I've conditioned myself so much by doing this now that I can identify my little markers and the things that I'm doing and I can say, okay, I feel. so because this is dangerous, right, and it's usually before, like you know it's a barricade situation, someone is inside a room screaming, you and the family say they have a gun in there, okay, we'll go get them. , a great

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, okay. and it's in those moments where you find out if the guys that are working with you can handle it they can handle it they can handle the professional they can't handle the work um but when that's so typical when I'm in a situation like that there's a moment, a brief moment in which that I'm like God, I don't want to be here right now, I just wish I wasn't here right now, and when that happens, I identify it right away and I'm like you're scared because it's dangerous, pay attention right now, so with experience, you start to identify the things that are happening around you and some of the internal turmoil that's going on and then you start to identify yourself and say, okay, this is what's going on?

I need to control myself and pay attention. Were there things that you learned early on in this job that have really helped you survive and avoid that kind of thing? Oh absolutely yeah that's a great question yeah so I had I had a guy named alpha alpha one and uh whiskey the first team that I started with okay cool guys um Alpha is X Special Forces he helped me set up my equipment my equipment is my vest right, it's your equipment so I have my equipment set up in a way that is functional for me when I started, I had no experience.

I bought my bulletproof vest and my boss, who is a special forces operator, said, "Okay, let me see it and he knew because he had already seen me put it on, but in front of the whole team he said, let's see, let's put it on in November." and I put it and I put it backwards I put my drag handle right here, you know, and he's just rolling, but it helped me dial in um how to treat people how to approach people you have to be dynamic you have to be intuitive you have that to be able to read a situation you have to be able to know how to talk to people and work with uh with art with Alpha he helped shape me and whiskey they really helped shape me and taught me a lot, yeah, and one of the most important things we do is attack people properly if you don't give that person time to make the situation dangerous then the situation will become dangerous if you handle it well so we can attack people properly so we will surprise them so if I'm going to approach someone, I will do it in a way that makes it good. they get closer faster than they can understand what's going on and then they explode on the ground bracelets shackles gone yeah, because since you're not a police officer you still have the ability to handcuff someone and do whatever you need to do um as far as what situation because you know they're wanted, can you just move on like they're a fugitive or whatever? um They are wanted like they have a warrant, yeah, like a warrant for a felony, yeah, absolutely you know, and citizens can do that too, citizens can do that too, most people are very apprehensive. to do that kind of thing because they're worried about getting sued and the fact that I've been doing this job for years, that's Another thing I've learned is that no, I'm not afraid to intervene in a situation like the one I've seen. in kidnappings where the 20 people stood still while they kidnapped this lady, because they're afraid to do something right and, since I've been in the mix, you know, when he jumps, you know, cool as a cucumber, ready to party , you know, but and that's just because of the experience and working with some of the guys that I was able to work with right away that they showed me that hey man, when it's time to be busy come on, you don't think about anything else, it's time to go, yes, and you work as a team absolutely, yes, yes.

I've got six guys on my team, six great guys on my team, uh, I've got Larry Curly and mo, that's my point, guys on the field, so that's all of them, you know, it's like it's the first of November thanks to Nick, you know, it's based on the first letter of his name, there are stories of guys who just got hurt or killed or whatever, yeah, yeah, on the team I was working on, so I started with Black Flag Security and Recovery a year ago and before that I started. My thing, I was working with a team called Eagle Eye, right, they're not big guys, a couple years before I got on their team, two

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s were killed in Phoenix as they were leaving the Alpha apartment complex, they almost got shot. . someone's face hiding in a closet, that was right after I started with Alpha, so it's a lot of close calls, but it was about six years ago that two recovery agents, bounty hunters, were murdered in Phoenix, did you ever Will you reconsider your decision? to do this, yeah, yeah, you know, it's usually when you're about to do something dangerous, right? and that's when it's the strangest thing, man, you could be doing this for weeks.

Chase someone looking for houses doing whatever and then and then. it becomes real and it's usually right at that moment where you say: this is not this, this is not safe. I need to pay attention, you know, I've

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ed so many people that there seemed to be certain people who had even escaped death. even though they ask to be hurt or killed over and over again and seem like you know everyone around them has passed away, well you know, uh, the drunk guy you know is in a cruel car accident wrecks his car. kills a family of five, but he lives, you know, it's always the guys that throw caution to the wind that miraculously land or get carried away, yeah, but do you feel like you're one of those that's just destined to survive um yeah Wow, that's a really good question, yeah, I guess you have to be, I honestly think, I don't think I'm going to let that happen and I know deep down that that's it and I have nothing to say.

In this, if the situation arises, it will be out of my control, but I think going headlong through a door where someone is armed on the other side. I think you have to say, "I'm going to be okay." right come on let's go I'm not going to let this person act like this I'm going to I'm not going to let this person put me in a box. I'm not goingto let him threaten his family. You're not going to threaten my teammates, are you? If there's something, you know, you take it personally sometimes, actually, sometimes you don't, all the time. someone makes a situation dangerous and blocks me, it bothers me and at that moment it takes everything I have to stay professional once we have it under control and not do something that is not necessary, but yes, I accept it.

It's personal, if someone puts me in a dangerous situation, it makes me angry. You know, I get it, I get it. I'll reflect for a second. I'll be like I don't want to be here and then I usually explode. I go back to and I say this, I'm going to handle this, this guy is done, adrenaline is an amazing drug, isn't it, yeah, yeah, it is. Are you an adrenaline junkie? You know, I never really thought I never thought I was, but I think I think I am a little bit, yeah, I think so because, uh, this would be a career that would be ideal for someone who doesn't, yeah, well, you have to. know yourself, right?

I've been doing Jiu Jitsu and martial arts for years, so and a lot of firearms training, disarming training, things like that, so if I find myself in a situation where I have to put my hands on someone, I'm pretty safe that I will do it. I'm just me. I'm going to be able to do what I have to do to be okay right now. Am I going to jump on a bull at a rodeo and ride a bull? It's not true, it's like I know that thing can break me. Back in the middle of your battles, I choose my battles and I so you know, you know, it's an adrenaline thing, I think so, but you also have an appetite for risk, ah, no, I'm really God, you know, I'm very kind, yes.

It's really weird because I'm really a confident guy and I'm really worried about safety with my family and friends and stuff, if I see him doing something you know, I'm like, hey, you gotta make sure you lock it. that door you know you have to make sure you do this you know it's not safe I'll throw caution to the wind and see where things stand, Brother Nick, what would you say is the most important lesson you've learned in your life? The most important lesson. There are some of them. I can say? some of them absolutely um, if you're smart, there are some, yeah, there's a lot, okay, no one is going to do it for you, okay, nothing good happens because you're afraid, so don't let fear stop you.

Coming back, that's great, because at the end of the day nothing is certain if you're doing it right. I would say that nothing great that you want to happen in your life is going to happen because you are afraid to do something. Yes, fear could save your life, but it is, it could save your life, but it is a uh, it is not, it will not help you in relationships, it will make you build walls and it will not help you conquer your goals and aspirations that you cannot, You can't be afraid, yeah, right, yeah, I believe that with all my heart, yeah, do you ever go on bounty hunts where you don't get paid?

You know from the beginning, absolutely, you have to commit. everyone wants to be a bounty hunter um at first uh because it's glamorous for them they think it's going to be a fun job I mean I'm a bounty hunter but the reality is if you don't know what you're doing you're not going to make any money, okay, no one is going to hire you without knowing what you're doing you need to have experience so you need to join a team that's actually out there working um and from the start man it's your sacrifice you're the lowest man on the totem pole , so you know that if the team won ten thousand dollars, you will get the leftovers while you learn, so you won't make much money. uh your first year, two years doing it, that's why there's a lot of Fallout and a lot of people don't do it.

I guess there are two different ones where I didn't get paid to do it. I was just in the right place. at the right time while some of this was happening, but they stand out to me as opportunities that I had to hold someone accountable in a situation where no one else was going to correct it, you know, there was a kidnapping one night we were sitting in a laundromat and I was watching a vehicle that we were watching to see if this guy would show up and take this vehicle um and in the mall there's a laundromat here there's 20 people doing their laundry and this A young blonde lady, uh, ma'am, pulls up in an Isuzu Trooper Parks, she comes out, does the laundry and comes in, uh, she's probably like 20 years old, pretty girl and it was a really shitty part of town, so she stood out like, you know.

A pretty young woman was going in there and about an hour later we're still in the parking lot watching, she gets out, goes to the back so the vehicle opens the hatch, puts her clothes in there and while she's doing it, there's this. You know, probably a lanky six-foot-three tattooed prisoner, uh, uh, guy who approaches her like he's sneaking up behind her car, looking like he's sneaking away, right? and we're wondering like you know what's going on here so we're watching and as she puts her dirty clothes in the back of the vehicle the bear hugs her and drags her to the side of the vehicle and opens the door and throws her in with good jumps in the driver's seat, starts, the vehicle reverses, hits a light pole, all his clothes dirty and he comes. she flies out of the vehicle and then takes it out of the parking lot and the whole time we can hear her shouting help me he's driving me fine so my partner and I put it in Drive and started chasing the vehicle we probably got half of it. a block away and the vehicle stops abruptly in the middle of the street and I knew in that moment I thought this is my chance to stop this, my chance to get there because if this vehicle moves away from us we could lose it, we could end up killing her, who knows what's going to happen, she might run into someone while trying to flee, you guys are armed, oh absolutely yes, we're all prepared, so the vehicle stops and my partner said yes. a flash of before he put it in park, man of me getting out of the passenger seat and flying in front of the vehicle and I was able to get to the driver's side door and when I got to the door I saw him with his head pushed. into the floorboards and he's just punching her in the head, punching her, so I climb out the window and throw the vehicle at Park and as I'm parking it, he notices me getting into the vehicle, moment in which I was.

I was able to reach his armpit and pull him halfway out the window and when his head cleared the part where the glass is I was able to use some kind of door frame to strangle his head and I pulled his head down and he started squirming and making sounds my partner He opened the door we got him out I pulled him to the front of the vehicle and he's resisting so my adrenaline is pumping I'm excited this guy is trying to kidnap a young girl I'm upset okay? So he's fighting with me and during this time he ended up getting hit in the head against the car several times and then they handcuffed him and let him fall on his ass and I'm pretty sure he hit his head on the car. many times we shocked him because when we dropped it on his hands his wrist broke uh audibly like a loud snap um and he didn't do anything he just sat there like in shock uh when the cops got there, she was a mess. screaming she's saying thank you so much you saved me thank you and this guy just you know he couldn't even speak he's mumbling his teeth are falling out of his mouth his arm has a broken wrist um but I just remember that feeling from that night that Now this is a meeting very violent, but it made me feel very good inside knowing that I prevented her from being victimized by this guy, and I didn't get paid for it, and there are a lot of times in situations like that where you don't get paid there is another guy who was beating up his pregnant girlfriend hehe we're at a gas station at the end of the night I'm getting gas I'm I'm exhausted I've been working for 10 hours doing surveillance we didn't catch any guys I'm frustrated okay I'm not making any money I only worked for 10 hours for nothing, okay and I heard this guy, you know, you know, he pulls the cars in my car and he's in this Honda and I look and this guy gets out of the passenger seat of this Honda walks over to the driver's seat and grabs this girl by the hair and throws her to the ground and kicks her and he and this is south Phoenix is ​​going to get back in the driver's seat and at this point man, I'm already, I'm already in the car, I mean, I saw this go down and I just I was waiting because I'm like a friend, if you do the wrong thing right now I'm going to be with you and he did uh when he sat back in the car I was able to get him out of the car by the ears not so good not very good good I have I have a way to grab it hurts people I grabbed him by the ears I pulled him out of the car I threw him to the ground I gave him a quick kick and she stood up and she said sir sir, you're pregnant, okay, so I'm having a conversation with him, right?

TRUE? As you know, I tuned it a couple of times, leaned them over the back of the car, and I was like, "You think you're tough, man, you think you're tough kicking a pregnant woman, and that's when you know there's blood." coming down from her face he says oh sir sir and it kills me how the guys who victimize women and children turn around when they are held responsible and immediately say sir, they start with that sir and it's like I would listen if I wanted to. I ran into you five minutes ago and he was talking to you like a gentleman and treating you with respect, you wouldn't call me sir one bit, you know?

But now, because your head bounces off the car because I kicked you twice. times because I stopped you from hitting your pregnant girlfriend now I'm right sir and it always amazes me that uh the girlfriend always wants to defend him oh his grandmother just died he's having a hard time with this so I stopped him you know ? I let it go. I look at her. I said, "You want to go with this guy." They left and left and ruled out the possibility of me doing anything to help them, not having to deal with it in the future, most likely him getting mad at her and beating her ass at a later date for that, but the point.

The thing is, maybe just holding him accountable that day, you know, he did something, but yeah, some of the best, some of the best things that I think I've done to help people, you know, I haven't been paid. You know, it's just about being there at the right time to be able to help people and one last thing if you're a man and you're watching someone victimize another person, right? I feel like you're obligated to say something. and do something about it and I think that's another thing that a lot of people today have missed, well Nick, thank you very much for sharing your story, yes, thank you, great interesting talk, yes, thank you very much, thank you.