Barbara Walters 1996 interview with Robert Kardashian

O.J Simpson called me on the phone last night and then you will hear how he feels about this

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, but to continue, Simpson's friends wanted to believe in his innocence and so did his lawyers, but there was powerful court testimony to come and this generated in Kardashian's mind had terrible doubts, although at first she had none once Simpson was arrested her defense team took over what was your role what were you anyway? I was the liaison between the lawyers and OJ when there was bad news. He had to tell OJ the bad news. Thankless job.

Thankless job. Have you made a lot of money during all those weeks and months? No, they paid me a little at the beginning. Who won the most money? Robert Shapiro. How much did he make? Our deal with him was between one million and one hundred thousand a month. They didn't pay me all, Mr. Kardashian, you sat in that courtroom as a lawyer and now you're talking about things you discussed with O.J Simpson, doesn't this violate your attorney-client privilege? Barbara, I'm on the witness list for the civil trial. trial and I think that's something the court will have to determine at that time.

Are you sharing any of the prophets, if any, from this book? I don't like to talk about my financial situation. You saw O.J Simpson almost every day, he loved someone. with them all the time at first it was you and after a while it was enough, so what did you do? He had an assistant of mine, Nicole Pulvers, who was a lawyer and we had her sitting with him all day, every day, they paid her to go. and keep him company yeah that's pretty bratty about mr simpson isn't it very much in the book before the trial even started?

You say that Robert Shapiro told you this is how I think the murders could have been committed. What did he say that Mr. Shapiro told me? one day he thinks O.J went there and was going to slash his tires and she caught him and that's when the murders happened and I was shocked our lead trial attorney gave me this theory of guilt and I said no I don't want to hear theories about guilt Do you think Robert Shapiro thought O.J Simpson was guilty? Yes, over and over again you say that Robert Shapiro wanted Simpson to settle.

I heard Mr. Shapiro at one point in the courtroom during a break say to Mr. Simpson. We should negotiate with the prosecutor, they would sentence you to 12 years or whatever and Robert Kardashian would spend as much time as an accomplice. Well,

barbara

, my jaw dropped, why would you have been an accomplice to hide? I have no idea, yeah, I mean, he was amazed and he was shaking, he was so angry, so upset, where would this come from? He knew I didn't know any of this. What did Simpson say when when his lawyer said maybe we should take a plea deal, he started yelling at Bob and saying what are you talking about?

I never want to hear this again. I didn't do this. Robert Shapiro denies this. He says that maybe he just brought up the plea bargain with the lawyers as a kind of "what if" when you look at each scenario, which one tells the truth. You are Shapiro, I am This is why I wanted Shapiro off the case and I wanted Johnny Cochran. We didn't need our lead attorney to have concerns about fault. Furthermore, johnny cochran related better to mr simpson and cochran also knew how to win over the predominantly africans. US juror Lawrence Schiller reveals for the first time that before the jury was taken to Sea, the Simpsons' Rockingham estate, Cochran Kardashian and the rest of the defense team gave the Simpsons' home a makeover complete, they went in and redid that house, as a source told me it was. there the white women came out of the walls and the black women came marching towards you and other members of the defense team rearranged photographs they removed photographs of white women paula barbieri whose naked photo was next to oj's bed they put up photographs of o.j with his mother uh I put up a sympathetic poster of a little black girl who was supposedly starting school and who had been in Cochran's office rearranged all these images you feel like you were manipulating the jury I felt like this was manipulative and actually the images had been quite glamorous and mostly white previously yes, previously Yes, wow, one of the things you write that bothered some of the defense team the most was the DNA evidence, the blood that actually came out, it affected everyone, which ones were sure that O.J.

Simpson was innocent, which ones had doubts and even thought he was guilty I think many of them maybe most of them had doubts but they were professionals did Johnny Cochran have doubts about O.J Simpson's innocence did he have doubts about O.J Simpson's stories about the cuts in His fingers had doubts about the fact that Simpson could remember almost everything in his life, but he couldn't explain when the cuts occurred or how, but the biggest problem was the blood. The Simpsons' blood at the crime scene. Nicole's blood found on Simpson's sock in his bedroom. The most damaging blood of Ron Goldman in the Bronco and the blood of the three found on the glove in rockingham how the dna affected you the blood evidence the blood of ron goldman and the blood of bronco simpson in so many places barbaric that was the part most devastating of the whole trial for me i wake up in the middle of the night i'm so conflicted about that blood evidence it's so hard for me you had a lot of arguments with ac cowlings about blood you and cowlings two of simpson's best friends and He also expressed that yes, if you can imagine two men. those who have known him for 25 years and grew up with him know him much better than me when we were talking about this blood evidence we would go all over the place we would go from innocence he couldn't have done it and we would list all the Reasons why then we would say well but how did the blood get here?

Maybe he did and it was so heartbreaking for Barbara to believe that O.J Simpson is truly innocent. You have to believe that the LAPD conspired to frame him. Do you think I don't? Obviously I don't think the entire LAPD conspired. I think some individuals did some things that weren't normal, but not a complete conspiracy. It is not impossible. It has been reported that Simpson knew the night before the jury came back with the verdict that he was going to be acquitted true absolutely false so when O.J Simpson walked into the courtroom he didn't know if he was going to be found guilty or not he had no idea and neither did I what was his reaction to the verdict that morning that I received To court a little early O.J was in his cell and I prayed with him at that time and I prayed to God not for this man to be released but for your will to be done.

Only you know, God, what has happened here. Orenthal James Simpson. not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of section 187 of the criminal cult mr

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do you now doubt the innocence of oj simpson

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if you were on the jury today in this civil trial due to reasonable doubt you would vote not guilty that is not what I asked you I asked you if you yourself doubt the innocence of O.J Simpson I have doubts why the blood evidence is the biggest thorn in my side that causes me the biggest problems so I struggle with the blood evidence what is your relationship today with rj simpson what is the relationship is it not the same as it once was nor will it ever be why not because I have doubts will you testify in the civil trial of the simpsons if they call you I am on the list of witnesses you will say that you had doubts if they call you I will say the barbaric truth yes I had to do it all over again.

Would you have supported your friend? To endure death threats in my life. To endure death threats on my children's lives. To lose a fiancé. To suffer in my personal affairs because she was upset about this because of the trial that just ended. It took a toll on me that all these things happened to me. Honestly, I would say no, I wouldn't get involved again. How do people treat you nowadays? They are not good people. I guess I think I had something to do with this. Did he ever say Simpson to you, Robert? I apreciate it. I know what you did no, oj simpson would have done this for you no, I don't think he would do it barbara you are a very religious man will oj simpson go to heaven?

I'm no god barbara now I know o.j simpson called you yesterday and one can guess why, but tell what he told you in that phone call, well what happened was we published the transcript and then he mostly knew what was going on to be in the

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and I took notes from the In the conversation he said that there were many inaccuracies in the interview, including accusations that several photographs of the house were changed for the jury or that lawyer Nicole Pulvers was there only to take care of him. He said there are knowledgeable people willing to refute. these accusations but he cannot because he is not allowed to discuss his case since there is a pending civil case.

Simpson also said that Robert Shapiro never spoke to him personally about a plea deal and as for Robert Kardashian and Mr. Simpson he says he thanked him. profusely many times, including once in front of a hundred people saying that his friend could never repay him for his kindness, he did say, however, that he and

robert

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will remain friends and here I quote, he said I understand why he wrote this book, he said that No one has yet written a book about the case and donated the money to a charity. Is Kris Kardashian going to make money from this book?

Lauren Chiller told me that she paid Robert Kardashian for the interview, as she paid many others, but I don't believe Robert Kardashian did this to make money. I think he really had issues and I think we'll have to see if the relationship remains although that's not our concern. Very revealing interview, thank you.