Actors on Actors: Hugh Jackman and Willem Dafoe (Full Video)

then Sunset Boulevard and some of my mates were like, dude, that's ours. In Australia there are like seven jobs a year, you really have to take our job in musical theatre, so I was surprised and learned a lot after I left. I always loved it. I love it, as a senior I always felt pretty good. I was a fraud for the first five years, but somehow when I was acting I was fine, I could get away with it, but I never forget, I was actually doing beauty on bass and I was asked to sing the national anthem at a rugby match and there were a hundred thousand people, it's a Bledisloe Cup, which doesn't mean anything to you, but to me it's the Super Bowl, it's like it's in Melbourne, but it's Australia versus New Zealand in fact and I sang and had a panic attack the night before July 26th I can still tell you the date like I'm terrified Wow and how am I doing what am I doing?

I mean, I'm an actor, why am I putting in the effort? I was three times as nervous hosting the Oscars as everything since then, so I'm really glad it worked out like if I was bombed, yeah, I probably would have just walked away. the business anyway, I'm telling a long story, but no, that's good. I left drama school and I was 26, so when I left I thought, "Okay, I had worked a lot of part-time jobs and the only businesses that seemed to work." and you know acting is basically a small business your name is your brand and I thought I had to do something every day.

I won't wait for the phone to ring, so my partner Simon and I decided to start a theater company and that day. I graduated, I got a role in this series that allows a long story about how I never did anything in that theater cup that the Theater Company still works in, like the Wooster group still works. You did not call me. I have always admired

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. He acted like he was just drawn to the job he wanted theater wherever he goes just to create and I took a photo outside the Cottesloe theatre, the Royal National Theater when I was at drama school, that was my dream and when I was 28 I was there doing Oklahoma. and I was like I had no dreams beyond this point.

I used to watch the John Barton tapes with you know, yeah, Jelena Patrick Stewart and yeah, yeah, David Suchet and Scofield, all those who were for me the pinnacle that I never thought I would reach it. to Hollywood, what was always good for you when I started? First of all, I grew up in a place where you know I didn't know any people who were involved in writing and some payment or anything harder, so I just gravitated towards People and I gravitated towards situations, the most notable being the Wooster group , which is an avant-garde experimental theater company in New York City and it's like I had worked a little bit before that, but that's like 1977, yeah, and basically that was my life and my my identity was that of a theater artist and not even that of a traditional theater artist.

In fact, I say artist instead of actor because he identified me with being the technician: we did everything right, he did things, did you want to be in it when you were there? Do you like it? Oh, this is my dream. He would always be an actor, yes and no. I was surrounded by people I admired so much and it turned me on so much. When I was doing the job, I really loved Europe, but I was also a little bit depressed because we were so marginalized and we had our own community, but I think there was always a part of me that wanted to get out a little bit, yeah, and that that was just a worry in the back of my mind when I was actually working, I was very happy, but it was a hard life and it was hard to watch running, what really saved us is that we had a cinema space so no one could kick us out and then you kept it up for all the time when the movies happened.

I kept, yes, I kept exactly the same, in fact, at the beginning of my career, a funny word for me, now you can call it a player. I guess your other four, I guess, you know, theater would interrupt me, don't stick with sales. "The kind of thing that's not so much a sale, is that it was practical, they were fine if we were going to continue working, Roman idiot, oh yeah, I would leave and ruin the structure of things, right, um, but I was basically working there ". I wasn't really applying for work and then some people saw me that I was actually Kathryn Bigelow and another guy named Monty Montgomery and Kathryn and Monty Montgomery were making a little movie called The Loveless and they invited me and said, Would you like to play this? part and they sent me the script and I thought, oh, this is great, it was Kathryn Bigelow's first feature film and I said yes and they said okay, let's do it and I was like I called my friends and said what do I ask for.

I did not have. an agent that I didn't know. I didn't know any business protocol, you know, so I just said oh, I'm going to need a pop-up and I went out and made this movie. I had a wonderful time. I thought this is what it is. great, you go somewhere, you make a little family, you do something, it's a parallel life, you have an adventure, you learn something. It totally turned me on, did you feel totally comfortable from the beginning? You know it's a very particular film because it was very stylized correctly, so it wasn't like a naturalistic performance, but in terms of relating to a camera, yes, I with the Wooster group, very early on we were dealing with mixing technologies, so It used to be another camera, yeah, I mean, we were kind of like that.

They were both at the beginning of this wave, but it's funny, everything changes. I don't know, it's the beginning, but now a whole industry has grown up around you. Yes, Marvel and DC, yes, they are films that are success

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y exported. Yes, so I think that's what motivates them a lot, yes, they are stories that cross cultural conditioning so that they can work in Asia and in the United States, because the stories are very different. I don't know, they're muscular enough because the scenes are visually exciting enough. Don't know. I think Jen overall exceeds people's expectations. I think ten years ago I remember hearing people say, "Oh, I don't think this will last much longer." She just continued to grow and I don't think anyone saw it coming and one thing I remember when she was a woman, they approached me about Spider-Men, it was like you really made a movie out of my comic, you know?

It was like I was in the slums, true, really true, it's not that interesting. I didn't see it that way, but some people said it really did and III, that was real, was a great Spider-Man movie. I think the former minister did a lot, particularly when it opened on a concentration camp and the idea that we were taking it seriously in more humanistic terms rather than just superhuman and then I think Nolan really raised the bar to a completely different level. new and made people see you. I see beyond any type of genre, it is not just a genre film, but they have continued to surprise, entertain and be very different.

You've got some like Deadpool Ice here, Logan. I think people think yours are taking risks and doing different things. I have no idea how long it will last, right? I mean, you're about to make another one, right? I did it with Aquam, how you've done it well, yes, yes, it was great, it was a little watered down, James Wan, yes, of course, director, yes, yes, yes, and. It's a lot of fun because I still like to do all the action stuff that I didn't do. I love it because it's the simplest type of acting. You have an action, yes, and you apply yourself to it and something happens that is interesting and I see it. like dancing too much as I see him performing his dance, yes, of course, really you, we are doing a musical, come on, you know?

I'd rather play Fred Astaire, Gene Kelly, okay, I'm more Jim Kelly, you're Moe, Gene Kelly, okay. I'll try to make Fred, that's how redhead; okay now we're talking about when I was studying acting and you would have done this at Worcester where we worked as much on movement and using our bodies as a form of expression like your voice or anything else and I think that's really I don't know if it's already taught, but that's what I'm glad I had four years of training, I think so, but there was a lot of cross-fertilization of the different disciplines, so yeah, worst case scenario, most people don't.

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, they were dancers, they were painters, they were architects, they were from different disciplines. We always had hard work, it was always very physical and me personally when I was young. I was very captivated by the generally cool psychophysical exercises off the skis and also by the theories of his work. Yes, that had a big impact on me with your experience. I'll call it a career. I always said never use the word career, yes, as an actor. I said yeah you never use him like he's somehow your brother, add him one at a time and assume it's your last show, it's the same as acting in theater, yeah assume it's you first and assume it's your last show, how do you handle yourself? disappointment either from a project or in your own work you feel like you are becoming more philosophical about it.

Yes, yes, also because when you have enough disappointments you know that you survive, you know the era and you also know the successes, you know. Don't feed yourself in the same way that disappointments or failures do. I think it's a cliché, but I think it's really true. Somewhere deep down you learn more from your failures, yeah, not so much consciously as, oh, I'm not going to do that again. but it gives you a kind of strength to focus on what you really think is important, yes, and where to apply yourself, so that you may not have done it, you can even repeat some of those mistakes again, but the more you do it, It's practice, you know it's the old Fail - Fail, I try to fail better, you know, yeah, that's it.

Do you love acting as much now as ever? I love it more than ever, son, because it's a little deeper and certain things I didn't care about once. maybe it used to distract me, yeah sure, I feel a little more focused, yeah, you, definitely okay, in general, when I was younger, all I can be critical of myself, I just method too much, I mean, not just acting Well when I was 16, that relationship and that. everyone knew her like she could look back now and say, come on, you know, it was a game of cricket, it wasn't the end of the world, but at the time it felt like that and I think at the beginning of my career it did.

I all felt like that if I didn't get a gig or if the gig didn't go well, but at the same time, when I hear someone say it's not brain surgery, I get a little angry, yeah, it's like it's fine, so I still I have the same type of bet. I identify with what you say, yes, the bet has not changed. It's not that it's easier for me, it's just that you recognize the cycles a little better and you know that you will survive, so it's like you start. you stop worrying about the things you can't do anything about, yes, and you focus more on the things you can do something about, yes.

I think that's probably what has happened. The other thing for me has been the decisions I've made. I learned the hard way, sometimes doing things that I didn't feel were right went against my gut. That's hard and now I do it. I really try to avoid it now, even and actually fail if you really believe her when you say yes. it's okay I love you no, I'm with you yes yes yes you yes you And you yes you know why you did things right and you're a little pure and you're in it you can live whatever the result is yes because you can't control everything correctly, so you can only control your intention and your type of yes, you are a good impulse, you are your degree of commitment, yes, and that in case you are free from the idea of ​​The result sometimes commitment can be much deeper, you know, because you're not worried about thinking about the future, you're not getting ahead of yourself, you're doing this for this, yeah, you know, okay, it was a funnel and yeah, that was always a pleasure, really.