13 Year Olds Murder Grandma For $155

at first she didn't want to, we attacked her, she didn't really want to do it that much, she didn't want to do it, her whole thing was like she had disappeared, which disappeared a few

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s ago, her whole top. head, where did you hear that first knock? and she takes the head, but I didn't feel good, we were going crazy. This is Antonio Barbeau, 13

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s old, and his friend Nathan Pop, 13 years old. The couple is enjoying a good meal and conversation at a local pizzeria, this video seems innocent enough, however, once it is revealed exactly how they ended up there, your entire perception of this video will change Tuesday, September 18, 2012 Barbara Olsen, 78, did not show up at her daughter Judy Offit's house as she normally did.

Mostly every morning, when Barbara didn't show up again on Wednesday morning, Judy worried about her elderly mother. Judy made several phone calls to Barbara over the next few hours, but they all went unanswered on the afternoon when she still had not heard from her mother. Barbara lived. just a few miles from her daughter in the town of Sheboygan Falls, Wisconsin, so Judy headed to her mother's house that same afternoon, lifting the garage door so she could try to enter the house through the garage entrance of his mother. The car was missing from the inside, but what she found made her run to a neighbor to call the police.

Please send an ambulance to the police. My mother is lying in the garage and there is a lot of blood and she has a blanket over her head. How was she? towel, how did her blanket cover it? I have no idea how old your mother is. She is 78 years old. And she is breathing. I don't know if she has a blanket over her head and I can't see well, who is here with you? I hope you caught her neighbor well. Can the neighbor check if she is real? You don't have to fall in love. She goes and checks if she is breathing well.

I'm working in it. I need to know if she's breathing. Barbara lay motionless inside her garage. a blanket covering his face without shoes on his feet, his arms and hands seemed badly beaten, a trail of blood extended from his body to the house through the door that connected the garage with the interior of the house if he They would have taken the blanket off Barbara's head. the sight would have been enough to scar Judy for the rest of her life. Underneath her cloth was a black plastic bag that had been placed over Barbara's head and secured around her neck with a black belt.

If the bag had been removed, Judy would have seen that her mother's head was so severely crushed that parts of her face were missing or indistinguishable. The top of her head was almost gone. She began the search for Barbara's killer. Barbara Olson was a volunteer driver for senior citizens in Sheboygan Falls, an avid gardener and described by her family as generally peaceful and positive, she just wasn't the type of person who would have had enemies that left detectives with no real leads except conversations. with Barbara's family, as well as some surveillance footage obtained from multiple establishments around the world.

The area led detectives to two 13-year-old boys. Barbara's great-grandson, Antonio Barbeau, nicknamed Tino, and his friend Nathan or Nate. Pop investigators were hoping these two high school students could help them get to the bottom of who mercilessly executed Barbara Olsen and why next. Footage of the interrogation has never been seen before. The first thing the detectives do is remove Antonio's handcuffs, probably to make him feel more comfortable and to establish a good relationship with him before the interrogation begins. Before he enters the room, the detectives have intentionally moved Antonio's chair away from the table. so that they have a clear view of his entire body, which will allow them to more effectively read his body language.

Well, first of all, can I know your name? It's Antonio Barbo. That's how you pronounce it. Good how old are you? 13. Okay. What grade are you in school halfway through 8th grade and can you understand everything I'm saying so far? Do you know what day of the week it is? I think Thursday, okay, the detectives are asking some basic questions to get you talking and building a rapport. Behavioral Baseline We have been involved in some serious research. Well, there are many different people who have already been spoken to about this serious investigation and you are one of them we want to speak to in the hope that you can clear some things up. right, because you're sitting here I have to read your rights, okay, okay, Antonio seems relatively calm and emotionless for someone his age who finds himself in this position, this probably isn't his first encounter with the authorities, do you understand? each one of them? these rights okay, realizing that you have these rights, are you now willing to answer questions or make a statement?

Basically, listen to me and answer the questions so we can hopefully clear some things up. Alright. Antonio might understand the literal meaning of Miranda's remarks, but he is probably too young to understand the repercussions of speaking without the presence of an attorney. If a minor understands his travels in Miranda, he has the ability to greet them; However, a court will review the situation more carefully than an adult waiver before admitting an incriminating response into evidence. The prosecution must know that the miner understood the situation and his rights and that the resignation was voluntary, conscious and intelligent, the court will take into account the age and intelligence of the minor and any coercive or deceptive tactics on the part of the authorities, as well as the emotional state of the minor at the time, if a parent or guardian was not in the room, the minor may not have understood his or her rights or may have felt more pressure to cooperate with authorities. um, there was a serious incident involving his great-grandmother, I think, you know who? that would be um I said yeah, I think she's uh so Grandma Barb, okay, what is she?

Is she a grammarian or a great-grandmother? I'm just saying driver, but is she

grandma

or, hey,

grandma

? Okay, do you know anything about what could have happened to him? Have you heard anything? Do you know something? No, what happened. Okay, well, like I said, it's a serious incident. spoke to what came up, very good, this is a strategic statement from the detectives that lets Antonio know that the detectives have talked to other people before talking to him, this leaves him wondering what they already know, the detectives They will probably reveal what information they have been gathering piece by piece as the interrogation progresses to see if Antonio's story changes, so you don't know anything about when you last saw your great-grandmother, it usually indicates that someone is experiencing an emotion.

Negative when your lips seem to disappear, like Antonio Zar here, disappearing lips doesn't mean someone is cheating, it just suggests that they are probably feeling anxious or upset. Telling a lie can cause anxiety in many people as they don't know if it will be believed or not, since we know that Antonio is lying about when he last saw his great-grandmother, we can assume that his disappearing lips are due to stress from being misleading. I don't know, I've been in trouble in the past like a month or two, I think at least a month, so the last time you saw ours was at least a month ago, yeah, and do you remember where you saw it? ?

No, in response to this question, Antonio's hand flies towards his face, pulling. or pushing the face is known as facial distortion, it is an adaptive behavior to release nervous energy and calm down given that Antonio is covering one of his eyes, it could also be a form of eye blocking which is a behavior that people can do When they are presented with something they perceive as negative it is a way to put distance between themselves and what they are hearing or seeing. When an interrogation begins the detectives will begin with basic questions so they can get an idea of ​​how the suspect responds to low pressure questions.

They will then compare that behavior to how the suspect acts with higher-pressure questions, such as about the crime that occurred. Antonio's initial behavior involved very few movements and he seemed relatively relaxed; However, as soon as the questions about his great-grandmother began, he began to show signs of stress. Detectives will probably interpret this as a deviation from his basic behavior and therefore an indication of possible deception. When was the last time he was at his house? Grandma or great-grandma Barb Olson, probably the last time I went to work for her was probably like two months ago, I remember going there.

I put some leaves here when I was asked again about her last interaction with her great-grandmother. We see more contact on the face and neck and very subtle movement of the leg. These are physical signs of increase. anxiety and possible red flags of deception, these movements indicate that the person is likely feeling stressed, which could be because he is lying. The image always comes out in the garage at most instead of the short answers he has given so far. Antonio delves into a detailed explanation about the yard work he had previously done for his great-grandmother probably because it's a true story these types of behavioral deviations are exactly what the detectives are looking for, um, guess what two months and that was the house from your great-grandmother, yes, do you know where?

Do you know the address by chance or not? There is no address. Do you know what street she is on or something? All I know is that she is in Sheboygan Falls and then I know the area she is in, but I don't know. the direction is fine, um and you were talking about getting in trouble and stuff, what are you doing, what are you here for? I'm here for Antonio seems to give this particular question quite a bit of consideration before answering, he even repeats the question first. which is a common tactic used to buy time, well, I'm here because I ran away from welfare, one where I had to go on welfare, okay, because I remember, uh, it was like my mom saw me, if it really were like that. well and all that, I would get it out sooner, all that kind of stuff and then I was there for a week and a half and half a week before that I was talking to my social worker, she said just a few days, so after that another half week , I asked my mom, you know what I'm going out, a few days or something, and she said your social worker said it's me for at least another two weeks, so I didn't like it, so I left.

Okay, the fact that Antonio ran away from welfare in the first place, essentially because he didn't like it there, gives the detectives a good idea of ​​the kind of kid he really is, defiant and insubordinate with a complete disregard for society. authority, do you know what you were? doing on Monday where you were where you were staying were you at home or were you on Monday during the appointment I'm not sure I was sleeping until at least two and then I started walking where were you so on Sunday night you slept Antonio starts scratching furiously the leg, a new stress adapter, scratching the skin is closely associated with stress when a person feels pressured, the body signals immune cells to release chemicals such as histamine, which can trigger inflammation and cause itching, Most adults are aware that a lot of restlessness can appear anxious and, as such, they may try to suppress those behaviors to appear more innocent.

On the other hand, a young teenager may lack his own behavior and may not realize that detectives are analyzing his every move, aware of his discomfort. Follow up with questions about what exactly he did over the weekend. Where did you sleep on Sunday night? I had to see where I wasn't at home. It's peculiar that Antonio is having a hard time remembering this information considering that Sunday would have only been four days earlier. rather than trying to remember, it's more likely that he's trying to think of an appropriate response to give the detectives. I'm pretty sure I stayed at a friend's house that night.

Red flags go up when Antonio Resorts again gives vague and non-descriptive answers, an indicator that he might be nervous about this particular line of questioning or withholding information. Also note the tone of his voice. Answer quite confidently. I stayed at a friend's house that night. This is called rising or rising inflection when someone's statement ends on a higher pitch than it began so often. happens when someone asks a question or if you are unsure of what you are saying, it is a red flag that Antonio's inflection increases when he makes this statement because most people could confidently answer whether or not they stayed at a friend. home a few nights ago as he finishes this statement he looks directly at the detective possibly to see if the detective seems to believe what he said well, today Thursday wasn't that long ago so do you know which friend you stayed with?

Sunday night I'm probably going to say Nathan and what's his last name is dad, we have to pause here what Antonio doesn't know is that the detectives already spoke at length with his friend Nathan about what happened on Mondayin the afternoon, in fact, detectives. who visited Nathan at his home just the day before to discuss the ongoing investigation, it turns out that Nathan told a completely different version of what happened the night of Monday, September 17, now detectives must determine which of the two is lying. The next interrogation takes place on Wednesday, September 19, a few hours after Barbara was found.

We are here to talk to you and we want to talk to you because we understand that you are friends or in some way associated with a person named Antonio Barbo. Yes Tino, I understand he goes by the name Tino, yes ok so you are friends with Tino, yes ok when was the last time you think you saw Tino yesterday and where was that? Just down in the corner of the store, you expected to see him as you left. Not your house, did you know that Tino ran away? Do you know how long he was a fugitive?

Yes, since Friday of last week and he ran away from home or lives in his house. He was in a shelter. here at the shelter, yeah, okay, and he had to stay another two weeks and he decided to leave and that was like right after school he started to go broke because his mom picked him up, so he decided to go to the other side of the building okay, so in that period of time between the Friday when he snuck out after school until yesterday, did you see him in that period of time between that Friday?

Yes, when did you see him on Sunday and Saturday and yesterday? So he saw him every day since he ran away. Yes, there's almost a second of hesitation before Nathan reveals that he had been with Antonio on Monday the day of the

murder

. He was probably debating whether to lie or be honest about seeing Antonio that day, it wasn't just the police who were watching him. but he probably knows that Antonio is already in custody, what he doesn't know is if he already talked to the police or anything he could have told them until one of my neighbors, who was actually related to me, found out anyway, huh , notice that I It was like staying at his house when there was an arrest warrant against me and when was it again the day they picked me up again, it would be two days ago.

Both boys tell the same story that Antonio stayed at Nathan's house Friday night Saturday and Sunday and that they spent their days just walking around oh no Monday. I remember Nathan had to go to school so I was sitting at home all day, yeah I was watching TV most of the day like she could check the records that he was at school. and all I remember was sitting there watching TV most of the day until he came home. Rubbing the front of the neck is a common calming technique as it stimulates the vagus nerves and sends signals to the brain to slow the heart rate.

This subconsciously when they feel unsafe or threatened, in addition to excessive neck rubbing, Antonio tells the detectives that they can check school records to prove that Nathan was at school on the day of the

murder

. This is an example of a qualifying statement or complement. -That is intended to increase the credibility of a claim, however, qualifying statements are, ironically, a common indicator of dishonesty. I'm pretty sure we just walked around for a bit and went back to watching TV because it was already late by then and today is Monday. afternoon or evening or whatever, after school, did you stay overnight again on Monday night, then yeah, on Monday night, I said, and then on Tuesday, I think he decided not to go to school. school, but I didn't know until I woke up and then uh uh?

We get up so walking Antonio is remembering many details of his time at Nathan's house when just a few minutes ago he seemed to be struggling to remember where he was on Sunday night. This type of mission can be considered an example of memory. of extremes that describes when a suspect remembers details of less pertinent events but then claims that he can't remember details of an event that occurred, say, just four days ago and then that's when Ethan approached as if to say Hey, you know, like me . I'm the boss of all that kind of stuff and then she was next to me a little bit behind me so I didn't see it and he just grabbed me and then he just yelled, "I got it." I remember then they called my mom, she came to pick me up, she talked to me I think he's my lawyer and then she talked to him and he said to stay at my house for the night and then in the morning to come there and then we would have our like a session or whatever, what we're talking about on the case.

Well, then we went to my house and stayed there the night that was Tuesday, yeah, and then yesterday morning at 9:30, I think. We went there and then I talked to him about my case and then I did a huge check to see if there were any warrants for my arrest that were still in effect. He was talking to my social worker and then I came here and they told me that today at 11:15 I have my hearing to decide. where do I go, who else does Daniel go out with you know why they don't go out anymore he broke into this house before who broke into what special house Antonio's pattern of blatantly violating the rights of others is another sign of possible conduct disorder is usually diagnosed During childhood and may be a precursor to antisocial personality disorder in adulthood, children with conduct disorder consistently display behaviors such as aggression toward people and animals, destruction of property, deception or theft, and frequent violation of rules, although it marks several boxes for To our knowledge, Antonio has not been diagnosed with conduct disorder.

What do you know about it? Nate. I know he took money and I don't remember the times. How long have you not been friends? This happened right after he broke into the house. Happened. It's been a while, but I think they found out that they set up cameras for him to break into his house more than once. Yeah, do you know how many times, four, four times, Tino broke into Nick's house? Yeah, how do you know Nathan is very? Evasive about his involvement in the break-in at Nick's house until that point he spoke of the break-ins as if Antonio were acting alone.

He only confessed to being there when asked directly about the information he knew. He seems to be trying to deflect all the attacks. The responsibility fell on Antonio when he was also present and most likely an accomplice to the crime. If you were also caught on camera, then Nate, yes, being entangled in so many legal problems at such a young age is an indication that these behaviors would have likely continued and developed. criminal career without proper intervention, the most important thing here is that Nathan has engaged in criminal behavior with Antonio several times before they began to establish a pattern of behavior that the two have when they are together, the combination of their personalities could having made them able to do things together that they might not have done alone after almost an hour of being interviewed.

It's suspicious that Nathan didn't ask why the detectives are there. Even stranger is the fact that Nathan's mother is present, she has not spoken in any way to protect her son, request a lawyer or ask questions. This is a possible indicator that Nathan and his mother are used to dealing with authorities regarding their past behavior, which is why you guys got caught. camera a couple of weeks ago, yeah, Nick or Nick's family called the police, yeah, so she ran away on Friday. You talked about when she watched Almanac and, I mean, other than the times she spent the night at your house on Saturday and left on Sunday.

It seems like it was pretty limited, she, the boys, didn't have a chance to go out and get in trouble. Yeah, okay, you guys haven't done anything against the law together since Friday? No, did he tell you that he did something against the law? No law, the detective hopes Nathan will take the bait and at least admit that Antonio did something illegal, but he continues to deny that at this point the detectives have spent about an hour asking ancillary questions once she begins to delve deeper into the case. crime in question. There is a good chance that Nathan will not be as generous with the information or that he or his mother will request an attorney with those possibilities in mind.

The detective will probably make sure to extract any information he can get out of you before you arrive. The real questions begin and Nathan's mom, when was he around her because she worked or shares the job, but sometimes it varies, she works a lot of overtime? Otherwise, I think she works Monday through Friday until three. I think Antonio seems to know a lot about Nathan's mom's job. schedule, he even takes note of her occasional overtime. This knowledge probably helped him and his friend Nathan sneak into the past. Would there be a reason why some of these people we've talked to would have said that you wouldn't necessarily have been?

Not at Nathan's on Monday afternoon, because no one knew where he was, that's why he was missing. Were you in any vehicle at any time? Do you have other friends who have cars or vehicles of any type that you were with? innate, look, I remember Nate's mom has a car and he took the black one out of the car and I was in it one time and we went around the block. Antonio may be trying to appear open and honest by confessing to the relatively insignificant crime of being a minor. By driving, he actually only emphasizes his disregard for rules and the safety of others.

His ability to get his way. Reckless activities of this caliber are evidence of an apparent lack of parental supervision. Antonio is being raised by a single mother, making it nearly impossible to have eyes on him every hour of the day. If a single father does not have a strong support system with which to raise a child, there is a significantly higher risk that that child develops behavioral problems of some kind that the time his mother spends at work or taking care of other matters explains these wide windows of opportunity that Antonio has to participate in these illegal and dangerous activities yes, what kind of car is it, It's a pretty crappy red car, I don't know what it's called, I guess it's not a new car, it's an older one, yeah, it's an older car and then when did Nathan drive?

You were on um I think on Sunday and Nathan was driving it. You were in it. Where did you go? So right around the blacks, would there be a reason? all of that when we've talked to people and like I said, we've talked to a lot of people and we're still talking to people that anyone would say you would have been in your grandmother's great-grandmothers. Sorry no. He had no reason to do so, but the detective asks Antonio what is known as a bait question to see how he will answer or if he will at least admit to being near the crime scene.

It's interesting that his response emphasizes the idea that he had nothing to do in that area rather than a simple no, she wishes people had known I was there. She wouldn't have just been there randomly, so you're directly saying what you had said before, that the last time you saw her was at least a month ago, yes, then you would be directly saying that if someone said they saw you specifically at the your great-grandmother Barb Olson's house at any time during the last two three weeks or so, she's lying, yes, the suspect clearly seems unsure in his response.

Here innocent individuals are usually definitive and forceful in their responses, especially if they are being accused of something. On the other hand, individuals who are not completely blameless will give characteristically vague and weak responses that show their uncertainty. Do you know if any of them? the people who live near your great-grandmother know you from seeing you there or whatever you know, okay, so I don't know any of them. Would there be any reason for someone to say they saw someone your size and height with that kind of haircut at your great-grandmother's house last week in the past wow, it's not clear if anyone actually told the police that he saw someone who looked like Antonio at Barbara Olson's house.

Police often refer to evidence they don't actually possess to get a suspect to confess. This maneuver is legal and commonly used in the interrogation of suspected criminals. Okay, so you say outright that you weren't there and they must be wrong or lying or something, yeah, do you have enemies that for any reason? Any reason would lie about something like that, especially if there was a serious incident involving your great-grandmother and they would want to point you to the police. Basically, I'm not sure, not at the falls because I barely go there and then at Sheboygan, really.

I don't have that many enemies. I tend to get along with most people. Do you have a job or something where you can earn money or do they pay you an allowance or something? We were talking about subsidy but then I started getting into trouble and we never really finished it as when he finished talking about it the detective suspects that there might be a financial motivation behind what happened to Antonio's great-grandmother so if you need anything if you need new clothes if you want a soft drink yes Do you want something like that? Does your mom give you the money? or how does it work? or you just don't receive it orWhat, if not that much, my mom will usually get it, but otherwise, I don't really understand Antonio's stuff.

The response indicates that he comes from a low-income home. Many times young people who commit robberies and similar crimes do so largely due to deprivation. This is worrying when combined with the fact that Antonio has shown that he has no problem breaking the law to get his way. If I told you that your great-grandmother Barbosam was killed, would you be surprised? This could be the freezing response when someone encounters a threat, they may stop all movements so as not to attract unnecessary attention. Most innocent individuals would express. shock, surprise or sadness upon learning that a family member was murdered, but Antonio appears frozen and shows no visible reaction.

Someone who is guilty may panic when he finds out that the victim has been found because he is worried about getting caught. Freezing momentarily is one way the body handles stress until the brain can intervene and decide the best course of action. Do you have any idea how that could have happened? No, I have no idea at all, no, I guess you're not real close to her as far as hearing that news and I mean, like I said, I never like talking to her that often, like I said as a reference statement, Suspects can use it to make their story sound more believable.

Reference statements are based on the idea. of repetition the more you hear something, the more believable it may seem Antonio needs to find a way to explain why he doesn't seem bothered by her grandmother, he may think that if he can convince the detective that he wasn't close to her in this moment. will explain his lack of emotion, it is important at this moment to remember that Antonio is not the conventional suspect, he is just a teenager, so the state of development of his brain plays an important role in his actions. and his reactions. Teenagers can be very self-controlled. focused and this may be due in part to the fact that the prefrontal cortex, the rational part of the brain, does not fully develop until one is around 20 years old.

The prefrontal cortex is responsible for logical thinking and understanding how decisions affect decisions. Therefore, for other people it is very possible that, although it is a tragic event, Antonio does not feel that his great-grandmother's death affects his daily life and does not yet have the cognitive ability to clearly see how it will affect other people, which explains his emotional detachment. From the situation, while this can't explain his reaction or lack thereof in its entirety, it's worth noting that hey, I did a little, but not that much. Do you use drugs at all? Any type of drugs.

I've done drugs, yeah, okay, when is he? The last time you used any type of drug was at least a week ago, the detective is clarifying the possibility that Antonio could have been high at the time of the murder if he had committed this crime in an intoxicated state which could open the possibility of Antonio to use the diminished capacity defense in court and what would have been sweet. You haven't used any herbs in about a week, something like that, yeah, again, if I came and said we've talked to people. who have mentioned that you were smoking marijuana within a week, like within a day or two, how would you know how would you know? said that they sold you marijuana in that week that would be a lie, yes, okay, and if you took a blood test or something that came back and showed that at least a week had passed, yes, this is a misleading statement from the detective, No.

A drug test, including a blood test, can reveal exactly how long it has been since the suspect took drugs, rather than a drug test it conclusively tells whether a person has used drugs within a given time period in depending on whether there are still traces of the drug present in your system in your blood. The test specifically can tell if a person has smoked marijuana in the last three days or up to a week for regular users if you have ever had that card. I think I've been back before if she wants to take me to a modern grandma's house she might soon get involved, but that would have been a long time ago, like what are we talking about, a year ago or four or five months ago, but they moved on to the least four or five months since you were in that vehicle, yes, it's been a long time, so if we get evidence and I tell you right now, we have that vehicle and it will be able to show fingerprints or whatever, you probably have been there within four or five months yes This statement sounds extravagant because it is not possible to date fingerprints.

It's probably another lie to intimidate Antonio into confessing in recent years. States across the country have begun to recognize that lying to minors during interrogation is coercive and poses a much greater risk. probability of making a false confession than if the suspect were an adult. Some States insist that suspects under the age of 15 have a parent, guardian or other interested party present with them during interrogation. This is because young offenders typically do not fully understand the seriousness of the situation or their right to remain silent, which automatically gives the detective the upper hand in a situation like this.

I just want to make sure you're pretty sure that was the last time you were there. Okay, so they shouldn't show it. right, yeah, yeah, I shouldn't show it, yeah, okay, has any of your friends ever been in that car that you know of. I have no idea, I don't think so. Actually, the only friend you've talked about is Nathan. Think carefully about, yes, rubbing or covering your eyes as another indicator of possible deception, as it may be a subconscious attempt to hide from the detective or the situation as a whole before you left. Have you ever been in that car you are aware of?

I assume you would have been with them properly or he knows your great-grandmother. I think he was there once. Those are your great-grandmothers. Yes, I think many times, when he was working, he went with him. Do you remember ever being at your grandmother's house? car great grandma's car Sorry, Barb Olson's car with your friend Nathan in the car is also not right, as far as you know, he has never been in that car, unless he had been there alone, which is doubtful or probably not. I don't see how he would have been, this is another example of a qualifying statement.

Innocent people usually provide a more direct answer, like a simple yes or no, instead Antonio is being careful and giving ambiguous answers that he can then change and change if necessary. You'd be very surprised if he had been in that car, yes, the detective creates a long silence by pausing to take notes. This is also an interrogation strategy, as the suspect will often find the silence uncomfortable and will continue talking to break the awkward silence. However, it seems that Antonio has nothing more to say, it is worth noting that the interrogation has been going on for more than half an hour and Antonio has not pressed the issue of what exactly happened to her great-grandmother, how she was killed or who could have done it. .

I heard her, this line of questioning is often missing when a person is guilty, they just don't think to ask because they already know what happened, so what's the last time you would have been in your grandmother's room? Do you think you should probably go to the bathroom? bathroom, which would have been the last time I was working and that was about a month ago, yeah, yeah, so that would have been when I walked in, goes to the bathroom, okay, and as for being in your grandmother's room, what? it would have been? there to get to the bathroom, yeah, let me, I used to tune the bathroom like she went from there, went to the bathroom, came back and you'd never seen it, like she kept her jewelry on a counter or what. she would keep it in something like that if you have any idea um she's about to guess I would say they are in the bedroom like everyone else Antonio yawns frequently, he could be experiencing excessive tiredness in relation to his marijuana use or he could really be sleeping poorly in such uncomfortable conditions.

An alternative explanation for yawning could be a higher level of anxiety that can be relieved by sending more air into the lungs. In fact, in just the last 30 seconds, Antonio pursed his lips. He yawned, sobbed, touched. he scratched his face and scratched both his neck and the back of his head. This is the exact type of behavior the FBI looks for when interrogating a suspect. Their more stressful coping behaviors and the rapid succession of them are considered a strong indicator of deception. Antonio has basically displayed all the bodies. language Possible behavior for high levels of anxiety and stress I know, I think I saw some things on top of his dresser when I walked by, that's all I really remember.

Could there be any reason why, um, you would tell someone or something about stealing a car in the last two weeks no and again is there any reason why someone would say I really don't know instead of outright denying this time Antonio He claims that he doesn't know his answer to every question Bay seems to be becoming more and more uncertain as the interrogation drags on. I haven't said that, but I don't know why anyone would have said that. Okay, would there be any reason for there to be a text message or something that said something like that?

Yes I have no idea I haven't had my phone I've never had my phone for like a month yes I know every phone doesn't work no no your mom's phone only connects to the internet a little bit did you have a cell phone? phone before I did it before like I was getting in trouble I had a cell phone when you went to school on Monday you were wearing a black shirt jeans and my shoes another thing I'm thinking if this is okay with you and your mom is that um I just I would like to take some pictures of your shoes on the sole of your shoes, would that be ok?

Yes, yes, then answer affirmatively. He certainly doesn't seem very enthusiastic about the idea. It is likely that while the house was being ransacked, Antonio and Nathan left the shoe behind. Possibly bloody marks at the crime scene. Photographs taken of Nathan's shoes will be compared to the prince found at the crime scene and used as corroborating evidence that he was indeed present at Barbara's home at the time the murder was committed. Put here what kind of clothes you were wearing. I wear clothes with a lot of designs, like a really designed t-shirt with a blue color that was bright and then a black coat that I buttoned at the bottom two and then I'm pretty sure it's light blue jeans or whatever, like bluer jeans and then my shoes, do you have socks or not?

I'm wearing bugs, the same ones again, yeah, if we looked at those shoes, would there be a reason for that? We wouldn't find blood on them, and if we found blood on them, what would that be? Does anything occur to you? Have you ever been near anything in the last two weeks that had blood there? Not really, that I can think of. This is known as a selective memory declaration. Statements like these are difficult to refute and it is easy for suspects to go back and change without it being obvious that they are outright lying, even though they are vague. remains a strange statement since anyone, especially someone with only one pair of shoes would surely remember stepping in blood.

Are you the only person who wears those shoes? Yeah, so you never shop around Nathan. You never lend them to your other friends. You don't know anyone. Borrowed shoes because then I don't have shoes to wear because I don't have a pair, would it be okay if we took those shoes and checked them for blood? um, sure, but I have my audition today, so I need them for that, otherwise I can't walk, have you cleaned them? Lately, at all, I don't even throw them in the dishwasher, you didn't put a bunch of bleach in them, something like that, no, I don't like cleaning my shoes, okay, okay, we'll get back to that.

I'm not sure, but I appreciate you letting us do it and that might help us clear some things up, when was the last time you went out to eat somewhere you know to eat somewhere, not just Nathan's or home or something like that? ? at school, I mean going to a restaurant or restaurants like that. I can't remember the last time I opened a mesh restaurant, it was months ago, when was the last time you were at Theo's Pizza? Suspects can repeat the question to make themselves known. an extra moment or two to think about how they want to answer a particular question, if they didn't have an answer ready and didn't repeat the question they would be left with an awkward silence, this awkward delay and conversation could increase the suspect's anxiety and may worry that the detective will see their paws as suspicious.

Oh, I was there like two days ago, maybe three confronted with the exact name of the restaurant. Antonio changes his answer as if he had forgotten, it is difficult. to believe that someone would have completely forgotten something that only happened two or three days ago. So within those two or three months, well, no, I mean two or three days, so within two or three months you said well, so oh, I guess two or three days ago, if today is Thursday you say Tuesdayor Monday, well, I guess Tuesday Tuesday. I think on Tuesday, when someone is feeling very stressed, their mouth and throat can become dry, which can lead to behaviors like drinking more water. increased throat clearing or increased lip licking, do you know what time?

Oh I'm going to say around one this afternoon, yeah it's just a guess, were you there alone or was it me and they were going for pizza so how? Did you get to Theo's Pizza? It's not very far so they just walked, yeah, about how far, probably a 30 minute walk and who paid for that. Who are your friends? We had twenty dollars and where did they get that. Do you know? I remember we found that on the floor of his house that day or when I really think about it, it doesn't look like you have a lot of money, so if you find a twenty dollar bill, it should stick out nicely, so you're pretty sure it was Tuesday. when you found him on the ground at night.

It was either Tuesday morning when I woke up or it would be Monday late at night because I remember and then we were hungry so we decided to go get pizza. because it's not a lot of money, it's only like 5.25 for a pizza, okay, I guess I'll basically give you one more chance to tell the truth, okay, I told you we've talked to a lot of people. Okay, okay, and we've had the State Crime Lab, we've got a lot of evidence, you know, it's a video world today, we've got video evidence, we've got a lot of stuff, okay, and I'll tell you right now, no. you are. telling me the truth this is another facet of the read interrogation technique called positive confrontation without being too aggressive the detective is letting Antonio know definitively that they have evidence that proves his story is not true the detective gives him a little more of pressure advising him Tell him that this is his last chance to tell the truth.

Is there anything you've told me about that you want to change your story and tell me the truth or do you want to stick with what I consider a lot? lies and you need to really think about this, okay, and you need to think about your future, you need to think about the potential of standing in front of a judge and saying that he blatantly lied about absolutely everything, never took any credit for anything and said no. had nothing to do with anything at all when it came to Great-Grandma Olsen, so think about it for a second, let me make sure that the detective is giving Antonio an incentive to come clean without specifically promising leniency from the prosecutor or judge to change of his honesty Antonio sits silently for several seconds presumably thinking about things an innocent person wouldn't have to think about during phase two Nate and said so your mom can hear it too um you've obviously gotten in trouble with Tino before and I don't know if Tino has done anything here or not, but it's very important that you take care of yourself, you understand what I'm saying, yeah, and don't get caught up in any problems with him, you know what I mean, yeah. okay, you understand the seriousness of this, right, and you understand that you're making a big roll of the dice here, right, and apparently you want to try, wait, what if I was telling the truth or lying, you're telling me you're sincere.

Telling me 100% truth about everything you have told me is correct, no, I want you to clarify then where you have not been totally sincere. I'll sit here and listen to the truth, but I'm not going to sit here and listen. to a bunch or more lines, okay, it seems like you've had a pretty hard time being home here for the last few days, but it's very important that if you know, even if you know that you weren't there because it seems like I've been here in home or here at school except yesterday that if he told you something he did and he doesn't get you in trouble by telling us if he told you things he did but I don't want to It would be a problem for you if I told you that he did something illegal since he has been a fugitive since the last Friday and I know you don't want to get your friend in trouble, but it's very important that you don't try. call her after him you know what I mean you understand what I'm saying okay I want you to tell me the truth about what happened that's all we're looking for is the truth we don't want to blame someone who doesn't deserve to be banned or whatever I want the truth and that is what we are going to look for here okay so what do you want to clarify and tell me the truth about it that you most want to share with us download it, can you write it?

Yes, yes, you can write it. Nathan is basically speaking in a whisper at this point, he is probably experiencing symptoms of extreme stress, one of them being the drying out of his mucous membranes, this dryness and vocal cords. He can make someone's tone sound different. His hoarse voice combined with the fact that he doesn't even want to make the statement out loud indicates that everything he has to say is no good. Can he give you a piece of paper? The room is completely silent, but at the sound of Nathan sobbing and the pen scraping the paper, Nathan proceeds to scribble nine words and then hands the note to the detective.

You can understand with what you wrote. He's very scared, yes, it's okay. Nathan seems to be having an extreme emotional response to whatever is in that note, as it sounds like he's still crying. He's probably showing more emotion right now than Antonio has shown during his entire interview so far and because you wrote that, Nate, I want to be able to read it. Miranda rights for you, you understand what I'm saying, the need to read Nathan's Miranda rights at this point indicates that everything he confessed officially places him in police custody, realizing that you have these rights, are you now willing to answer questions or make a statement? yes, I know you wrote it and maybe you wrote it because you didn't want her to hear it, that's why you wrote it.

OK, it is common for minors to withhold information when questioned in front of their parents because of fear of disappointing them. Parents' presence is more likely to arouse feelings of shame and remorse that can cause the minor to be dishonest. This seems to be especially true in Nathan's case, as he seems to start sobbing uncontrollably when the detective goes to tell his mother what he wrote, so Bobby, did you hear us read the Miranda rights to your son, did you? Alright? And you heard us talking to him sitting where you are, basically, about what he's been doing and his association with Tino and what he's been doing since last Friday when Tino ran away from school, okay? and you could hear us talking about it and everything he's done.

I know, Nate, you wrote it on the paper because you didn't want your mom to hear it, yeah, yeah, and I know you. You're really scared right now you said you were with Tino yeah and when was he okay? So I explain to you that we work with other police agencies on investigations and that is why we are working on an investigation that involves you. um, she's his great-grandmother. Okay, and you said you were with Tino on Monday, yeah, yeah, Tino didn't go to school on Monday, no, okay, and he was here, at your house, yeah, when you left for school on Monday, yeah, Nathan now answers questions clearly and promptly, indicating. that this is probably the true version of events on Monday when you came home from school what happened Nate we were talking and he said I know how to get money for me Nate friend on Monday and you said just kill his grandmother but I guess I thought that was Just kidding me, okay, and then I asked my mom to take us to Sheboygan Falls and told her we were going to beat up one of our friends and then when we attacked her, very interesting choice of words when describing the suspects of the crime.

I will often use language that makes the offense sound less egregious, such as Antonio's use of the word "attack you instead of killing you" and "the date attacked her," ending the two of us with something like Hammer and then like a Hamilton with my ex on the other end and what The time was on Monday, I don't know, probably like four or five and why this was done in the first place. He didn't want us to be in his garage, freaking out one of the doors, like he was totally expecting the garage, so fit, okay. the garage door is open at his grandmother's house, he put it over her head but she couldn't see how to do it, he just took it off and then his father went to open the door to climb up and walk down and he said who is that and she says it's Tina when she said No and I'm standing behind the door and she says tell us because I like I stepped on something and then she said were we cold and that's why we were in the garage and Tina said yes.

It's heartbreaking to think that Barbara's last act was one of care and concern for the two boys who not even 10 minutes later would mercilessly end her life and then she brought him in earlier because she said she was going to call my mom and I was already missing. and he wanted a court order and I didn't want that to be done, so yes, Antonio's answer about AIDS, the detective's question about exactly why he attacked Barbara, his answer explains why he would have chosen that very moment to attack , but it does not explain why and his friend are at his great-grandmother's house without warning and armed with weapons.

His real motive will later turn out to be one of the most chilling aspects of Barbara's murder, so that's your thought process: you don't want Grandma to call him cool. grandmother to call him, you get the order and the police are going to come or whatever, yeah, okay, so what did you have to attack your great-grandmother? There's like an ax looking at that, so are we saying 12 15 inches, something like that probably? you know what an ax is or you don't. I don't know what a hash is, but it was like an axe, but then it had a flat side, like a flat metal side, nothing, they just had a normal hammer, okay? him with that hammer, yeah, that's not a family, okay, where did you get this little ax or whatever you were talking about?

From your garage garage and where Nathan got that hammer from. I think he went alone in this house since the boys brought weapons. from other places to Barbara's house and didn't tell Nathan's mother the truth about where they were going, it's safe to say that his fatal assault was premeditated. What's even more disturbing is how monotonous and emotionless his description of events is, yet he maintains the same calm. behavior and lack of emotion, however, Antonio is not as agitated as before, this lets the detectives know that he is more likely telling the truth. Did you talk about this in terms of what you were going to do, obviously, if he had an ax and he got a hammer and your mother took you.

Some thought was put into it. TRUE? What was the discussion? We were deciding if and how we were going to do it and then we were wondering how we were going to get a ride there. They take us back to all of that, so after your mom dropped you and Tino off at the roundabout at 42nd and 28th, what happened? So Nate we walked to his house to go to his grandmother's school to get from where they were dropped off to great-grandmother Barb's house. At home, the children would have had to walk about two miles. It takes the average person approximately 15 to 20 minutes to walk a single mile.

This means that the kids had at least half an hour to reconsider their decisions before they got to Barbara's bedroom and then when we got there and were in the garage. I really didn't want to do it so much as I didn't want to do it, but then when we were at the house, I did all that and then I took the first swing, Antonio stated. that he initially wanted to abandon his plan of attack and Rob, his great-grandmother means nothing, the two will still be accused of acting together to carry out their crime, the fact that he struck the first blow makes this supposed change of opinion seems even less believable where is your hair is that first movement take the head and you talked about a flat back and then like the sharp part yeah, which way you hit it the first time you know the flat part there was some reason or that's it just the way it ended up on your hand or what I'm pretty sure just because it was a flat spot and I thought more blunt blood would work as far as what to hit, like in general, well, hit in general as far as putting it. down faster or what do you mean, yeah, okay and why did you go there and come up with a plan to do this.

Thank you is mostly just about money, a statement filled with as much coldness and attachment as if he were speaking to a willing stranger. Taking the life of her great-grandmother in Pursuit Of Money shows a callousness and lack of awareness that one wouldn't even expect from a young teenager. Even worse, is the fact that he is able to confess something so horrible without a hint of emotion or remorse afterwards. Antonio shrugs and then qualifies his response with I think it's a red flag for possible deception, since the reason he killed his grandmother is probably something he does know for sure.

Notice how he says it was mostly just about money, indicating that there was more to it than just him. He was also motivated by that, it's not surprising that he gave this answer, since blaming money is an easier and more socially acceptable answer than saying he just wanted to kill someone, so you go there to try to get some money and bring the axe, he brings the hammer, you hit it the first time and where was this? Were you in the garage or the house or are weAntonio like the evil genius and when you realized that you couldn't get her back into the trunk, he dragged her towards the door that gives access. the house you two, yeah, okay, when did you put the blanket over her body?

When we realized that we could inform him with the trunk, so we were going to wrap his body and see if we could have the two ends of the sheet like twisted so that we could lift him up, but then it works, so we left him right next to the door, what's wrong with her, her head and that's what you guys did, um? He put plastic bags on it and then he told me to give him my belt. and he tied that around her neck, why did he do that like that? If we could have chosen it so that blood wouldn't spill everywhere, where did he get the bags?

So she had a lot of gardens, she had space for garbage and there's like throwing herbs at it, I was actually there and I saw your great-grandmother, okay, and there was something on her head, do you remember what a bag would have been, okay, what color black and how did that get there from the garage are there bags in the garage? and why did she put herself there because I didn't like seeing her I didn't like seeing her face or what if or I don't want to put words in your mouth so why didn't you like seeing everything that happened is It's not strange that murderers cover the face of Whether your victim is a family member, friend or partner, seeing the face of your deceased loved one can trigger certain emotions that the killer would probably prefer to avoid.

The fact that Antonio felt the need to do this indicates that he felt. some kind of negative emotion when he saw what he did to her, possibly due to lingering traces of an emotional attachment or even hints of remorse, so why did you put the bag on his head? I think so, and she kept that bag on her head. He also put Nate's belt on it or I'm sure he gave it to me and then I did what happened with the hammer, see if we put it in the trunk and what happens with the axe, the truck is fine and the jewelry.

The backs here and the purple bag action and um and there's a damn coat in the trunk a damn coat in the trunk yeah, that's the first thing we overlooked he first put the coat over her head yeah, okay, Where were her car keys? Okay, okay, and then you said that you took the keys out of her pants pocket, what was in the purple bag that she had like shoes and a case with the camera in it and then a wallet and then his bag and then we put the cleaning wipes in it mm-hmm and that's all we put in that bag if he was just going to run away and how much money was there in cash, I think 150. and where did some of it go? to food and then, um, we got pizza and then another part of it went to marijuana, which I think is actually still in his house upstairs if he didn't get it and then I think that's it, so all of mine is gone. yes, she just took the money out of there yes, what did you keep from the purse? water only cash yeah how much weed did you buy? 145 Forest, who did you buy that from?

I don't know who he bought it from. Tino brought bought the weed yes, were you with them when he bought it? Where did you buy it or where did he buy it? Who was in high school? Who really bought the weed? And we were almost both there. Carl, are you two really? Have the money and give it to whoever you bought the weed from as if I had the money with me as if I kept it in my pocket. Have you bought it from whoever that person is before or not? Yes, Antonio and Nathan managed to steal a With only 155 dollars from Grandma Barbara's house, they proceeded to spend all but ten dollars of that money on marijuana and the rest on pizza.

Desires both momentary and fleeting that they enjoyed taking drugs and eating at the cost of a human life at their young age. It's certainly a reason for his poor decision-making, but his actions go far beyond the self-centeredness of typical teenagers. His actions and his mentality largely reflect children with severe conduct disorder and we woke up the next morning, Tuesday morning, yeah, yesterday morning, yeah, um. We decided not to go to school. What happens to the things in the trunk? We just left them there because the keys are on the seat because Tino thought that if anyone should make a Blogspot, it would be the kids sitting there who could take the car and if they find the car and they would have thought he did it.

This half-baked plan is full of considerable holes. It shows his immaturity and unsophisticated thinking, which is to be expected from criminals his age. And today you woke up and went to school. yeah, and Tina wasn't at school in the UK, it's interesting that Nathan decided to go to school the next day after the events of Monday afternoon. He was probably eager to resume his normal life. Realistically, Nathan said goodbye to his childhood as soon as he participated in the murder and he probably felt this, do you have any questions for us right now or not? um, they need you for so long that I'm looking after ending the life of his great-grandmother, scarring his entire family, including his mother, and implicating his closest friend Antonio. he's still only worried about the consequences that will affect him his restless hands indicate that the amount of time he will spend in prison is a source of great anxiety for him he didn't make that decision obviously there is a district attorney um who is going to press charges and it's up to the judge or of the jury as to that, but neither of us have my hearing today or not.

I'm not sure. I can tell you that he won't come out if he has the hearing. It's okay, because you're going to end up being accused, you realize that, yeah, and do you realize that you're being accused of murder? So, first degree intentional homicide for being a great-grandmother Barbara Olsen, you understand the gravity of that, right, Bobby? Do you have any questions for us right now? No, it's okay, it's surprising that the mother didn't have any questions after finding out that her son just helped kill his friend's great-grandmother in such a cruel way and that he used her to carry out his heinous plans Nate, Do you have any questions for us at this time?

No, okay, let's go pick up the clothes that Nate pointed out that he was wearing on Monday and his shoes and Tino's clothes that he pointed out in her room. Okay, we'll have to take Nate into custody right now and from the house, do you understand that Nate, do you understand that Bobby, yeah, okay, did you realize what they're going to charge you with? I told you right, another thing, I actually heard that you were A very good kid liked sports and all kinds of things and then something happened. He hit me by a car, so what happened?

You go from being a good kid and you like sports, to what we just talked about. What else is there in the middle of that, not being able to do anything, what do you mean that everything I ever wanted to do had to do with some kind of combat or things like that? I wasn't alone because in my head I wanted to be in boxing and MMA in football and because of what happened in your head you couldn't do any of that, no, what happened, I was hit by a car is fifth grade and what happened As for why you couldn't do any of that, even though I have a concussion he says I still have what I say I don't know An interview with his grandmother Judy the victim's daughter confirmed that Antonio had indeed been hit by a car while walking cycling when he was 10 years old it is true that this accident could have caused traumatic brain damage that resulted in a drastic personality change.

Studies have shown that brain injuries that occur during the developmental years can cause lasting neurocognitive changes, such as memory loss, personality changes, intense aggression, and lack of inhibition, on the other hand, in adolescence. boy who could never do any of the things he wanted to do, I might have felt like his life was already over and his actions didn't matter, but they say it would get worse if I joined something, yeah, is there something? Otherwise, I'll give you one last chance. Anything else you want to make sure to include in this report isn't really Antonio is escorted out of the interrogation room immediately after his interview.

Nathan is arrested and also taken into police custody, but keep in mind that Nathan had written the note that would send shivers down the spines of seasoned detectives. I read that he killed his grandmother and I was with him. Antonio initially pleaded not guilty to the murder on the grounds that he was mentally ill. A psychiatrist who had evaluated Antonio testified at his trial. that Antonio does indeed suffer from cognitive problems caused by being hit by a car a few years earlier, however, it seemed that this crime was too heinous to overlook, even the judge would say that this was the worst case he had ever seen. life.

After 24 years as a judicial officer, he changed his plea to no contest on June 24, 2013 as part of an August 12 plea agreement. Antonio Barbo was convicted of the first-degree intentional homicide of his great-grandmother Barbara Olsen and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 36 years. Meanwhile, Nathan's trial was still ongoing, in fact Antonio would testify in the trial of his dear friend, he would take the stand and tell the court that Nathan was not the clueless follower the defense tried to portray. He claimed that Nathan was so involved in planning the murder and so involved in carrying out the murders that he was on the opposite side.

Nathan's relatives argued that Nathan had the social development of a child and could easily be influenced to do something. As horrific of someone like Antonio at the end of the day, the gruesome and severe nature of Barbara's injuries demonstrated by the crime scene photographs presented in the courtroom attested to the fact that there was most likely more than one killer. asset that was all the convincing was needed On August 13, 2013, the day after Antonio was sentenced, Nathan Popp was also found guilty of first-degree intentional homicide and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 31 years in 2016.

Antonio attempted to appeal his sentence. Nathan tried the same thing next. year in which both appeals were quickly denied and the original sentences were affirmed. Antonio was sent to Waupun Correctional Institution and will be eligible for parole in 2048 when he will be 50 years old. Nathan was taken to Columbia Correctional Facility and will be eligible for parole in 2043 when he is 45 years old.