White Scars vs Astra Militarum - 9th edition 40k battle reportJan 20, 2022
welcome back to the tabletop titans for another epic game of warhammer 40 000. i'm your host adrian and brian back hi i'm brian this is my good friend shane we've known each other a long long time yes since high school yes me and adrian we have had a very deep relationship about warhammer since the first day we met you know the funny thing i always remember that first day i was like us and i know a lot especially i watched the channel. before you know it we're both in the band of course we both play trombone of course we're cool I like it I'm sitting next to this kid and he's like hey hey you want me for yourself.
I dare to put this dwarf on this trombone. He was like looking at it and this guy has an unpainted lord of the rings game shop. It was painted. He was unpainted. and then of course fast forward an hour later and we're trying to explain to the leader band why we have a little dwarf trapped inside his trombone that he didn't have in high school it made sense that it's like you know the dwarf he goes inside the trombone like that and then adrian says do you know what that is from? i have no idea true true and that started this friendship of expanding my horizons which of course i was excited about lord of the rings because it was two thousand one true and then nature is like there is a completely wild world let me tell you exactly and the rest is story so pretty much adrian ruined my life basically basically um with that being said very excited to have shane on the channel for the first time he has a beautifully painted custom
whitescarred army uh
whitepainted by none other than me yeah never mix friends with business because I give you the discount, yes, and today I will play guard. ow it's been a while since I played guard um so excited for this matchup it's going to be great let's go ahead and check out the armies shall we?
What are you running today? my own action I call them the hounds of the storm but I'm running them like white
scarsbecause historically my tactics have always been the same since every
editionme and my agent played is that I like to be right in your face and I like the subtlety of a punched in the nose, that's right, so yeah, I'm running like the run-of-the-mill stuff like white
scarswith some. I put a bit more emphasis on the shooting aspect which I think is power ability. moving forward and shooting with white scars is such a small thing that it allows me to smooth it out before I land that death hook that's right, that's right, and it also allows you to take advantage of a lot of these amazing shooting units like things like the receiver that have this dual role of like bei ng super mobile they can kill things and then starting in year 3 they can really collapse with that double story damage so I really like this list we've been we've been playing with their white stars for quite some time i'm refining it like a lot of games so i love it just for reference i probably play adrian more often than he does brian we probably meet up every week he tries all his new stuff so whatever you guys have seen normally I have done.
I had to fight three or four times before that exactly and except I've always been working on this white scar roster yeah it's great it's an army we really like on the channel and it really gives you a lot of room to play So what are you running on a single battalion right, battalion only and I'm running solo all the fan favorites? some spliced up arrangement this great looking rip off of the inqu isitor model that came out during the war was it the spider or the outcast book oh that's right yeah this was the uh the xenos inquisitor with the mitchells as the sigmarines, that's like and that's that you're like hawk right it's just attractive because as a con is you need a big sword in a hawk like you really like unite like hey this is the right model naturally after that I ride the Chaplin bike, but where other people use it more as a utilitarian choice, I'm doing fine. for the throat this guy has an imperium sword he has a targaryen storm i go super saiyan 4 or 10 attacks on the charge five damage oh my god no subtlety here yeah that's the relic the relic really requires also blessing, fear because you have to naturally after that of course the white scar is like bread and butter since I take three intercessor squads with chainswords they are my main scoring unit but I mean that will intimidate anyone at one point and once you get to that third party. they turn n become characters themselves you have to deal with them before then because otherwise they just turn the lights off yeah and then they move.
I have all the warlords running for the space marines. and I run the plains runners helm relic which gives me plus one to charge and also gives me plus one to move forward which is just I'm getting into combat fast. It is a good utility choice. he's absolutely fantastic um the other thing i use i run a librarian and he's there to give me my psychic strength with malcador tomb but the storm speaker discipline is one of the strongest disciplines in the game, in He actually has some great utilities in there he is with Lightning Gail like with Smite that's CC or 2d3 mortal wounds per right turn and that's a lot of damage so he helps me out too and gives me plus two to charge so who plans for unde. r rudder I just need a six inch charge to bring someone out of a deep attack and get them in yeah it allows me to get up on the board quickly it's like you need to bring in a librarian I think in the modern age you really do and then just in case any of you are wondering because I'm sure someone else is wondering how they can have both tricks.
Don't tell them it's Tom Balcador. we think it's meant to play in the channel which is it gives you an extra spell that can be off your tree so you have the storm speaker stuff and then you'll also have the psychic fortitude which is the best being able to just draw from normal space range, yeah everything else is a bit lackluster there, but since psychic strength really makes them durable, so I can't really cross the board, especially against a heavy shot army as a guard, yeah its essential i mean i have heard of th These guys called themselves um raiders with dark looks.
I don't know if you've heard of them. I don't know, yes, they are delta, they are even being played. implies it would be needed against them they would be needed against all the plasma inceptors needed against the eradicators the attack bikes then psychic fortress i didn't even know there was a world outside of the marines that's true people play other things that's the main reason why the one i painted my army with non-standard colors was to have the excuse that i can run them like any chapter just to get the most value out of my book, just no, but i can't be there. and buying each chapter like someone we know oh I wonder who it is and I don't know what you're talking about yeah but back to the list I also run five plasma it's actually the bread and butter space marines that will shoot. through anything but white scarred like I said I take the Lead Out perk and really get them where they need to be because they have short range but being able to start them on the board is a huge plus. secretly wanted to be a custodian army and blade guard veterans are the closest you can get to running as custodians in the navy most people are leading the veteran vanguard with the storm shield and claws of lightning which is so central it's 21 Five man units 21 built in charge attacks reroll to wound and when they get to the third turn it's crazy they're just first born marines they're too small that's how see i scaled mine up for primaris using the reaver kit because someone had to get some use out of that kit yeah seriously big schools big school is like the best i think marine looking model never sees play hey, and last but not least, what you don't see on the table right now is that I have a 5 eradicator unit that mine will historically fire 10 shots and hit three of them I won't kill anything with that the worst and just lazy radicators i mess them up but the cool thing is you can take a unit of five and white scars you can just spend one to flank them thats all you really need and its a full flanking its nothing like this like oh whats the edge of your board is like any board edge coming in nicely um did you mention your bikes at all i don't know oh yeah i mean like i assume white squares y'all know if you play with white because you're bringing out writers naturally, Yeah, what's there to say these guys are fantastic? they are able to mix anything yeah the hardest part of playing the Outriders is figuring out how many attacks they get because they get a ridiculous amount exactly I think 19 in charge something like that yeah and then this army is what's really fun about playing white scars is you have a big army you start to lose stuff but you get your value back once you get to the third turn ok ok let's kick this off you really put a clock on your opponent. from that super doctrine and everything everything and nothing is important to your list right it's a very decentralized thing which is awesome yeah the hard part for me when I'm building an army is I need everything in my army to have value I don't have any sacrifice units, which I do, and 9th
editionis a great way to play, but I feel like the elite army still moves pretty well, absolutely, which is why I think we also forgot to mention that there are rights of war. on the librarian giving you a little more op sec right yeah I would take that it was hard between psychic mastery and picking that but the fact that your characters are obsessed I feel like it's a sneaky way to attack your opponents t or be like i really control this target exactly because if you're playing marines you want to play hero hammer and i think that's a big part of that i love it man this is an amazing roster let's see what they're up against this is the guard today huh i'm running actually two detachments uh that's a bit wild and it's two battalions of a battalion that is a custom regiment and a battalion that is the 133rd landed lions my boys eh and so let's talk about the usual regiment first I'm running uh the uh I've already forgot the name but it's the gunners ability where i can essentially replay the number of random shots on a vehicle uh so you can imagine the kind of thing i'm taking you m You'll go some
battlecannons there, you see the manticore, the wyvern, all that good stuff and then the second trait I took was the one that allows me to reroll my advance rolls. very good to all troops i'm going to move move move um yeah so let's go ahead and dig deeper of course I'm led by a company commander and uh he's an excellent tactician completely perfectly normal respectable uh citizen of the imperium, master of stealth, naturally. yeah yeah yeah and what i've done is give it curves aquila this will of course give me cpu rebate on uh just your skills i think uh so it's nice and simple um going along with it I have two tanks. commanders they're both bases the baselines are the same I upgraded one with a tank ace ability but essentially it's a
battlecannon three nice simple heavy bolters and then uh one of them I got ahead of myself and i gave him the um uh what did i give the two of them plus the armor protection? uh or not it's the minus one dammit it's the damage minus one solo against the ranged attack so keep something protected in the back if they charge it up though it's still going to be tight either way.
I will continue to overcharge and kill my own nature. naturally that's the pro that's really interesting yeah yeah I like it so I have two of those hand commanders one with the tank ace in my troops as I mentioned I have six guards units they are amazing , only this. it's the max for the battalion I recommend taking that every time on guard they are so powerful very much the antithesis of what Shane is going through here he talks expendable units my army is all expendable units without much substance right his strategy is he just waits for me to run out of bullets my arms get tired from swinging i can't get past any of these guards but that's how the guard is and it works great it's great like 9th edition for the first time you really can be pushing dying great they did their thing who cares yeah so get your decks ready and load yeah exactly exactly right um and so those are my troops i have uh several elites including the bulgar i love me some bulgrin uh just a few burly guys it's a five unit of course for consistency and the bang um you actually have so that's kinda nice but uh I'd never go over five yeah um that's Grenoble they'rewas here and here you are i was at 15 yeah minus one how many one that was really good for a cp not in the squad to the squad does it doesn't t minus one yeah it's the fourth yeah okay that's it that needed, um, yeah, so orders were left more in those other regiments, um, there really isn't much, there's some things that may be going to the next level. obviously I think they suffer a lot from dense ground so personally I know this is a contentious topic to be interested in having ways of having to do like ignore that with our artillery if you're shooting not in the stress of death but on top of that I think you should be able to ignore it as well as a lot of little quality of life buffs um I imagine I imagine they're going to have another layer like any other book.
I figure we can get like we get an officer's chart or something, yeah, which is always fun, right? a lot of updates which are really cool yeah but like it's not worth the updates yeah but I would love to see in the game implement who is like a guard who has terrible shots from a perspective as his basic ability but the idea of That the officer phones in a correct order is really cool and I think that's the main problem with guards, like they shouldn't have really big heroes, but I like to see them more as a tactical option.
I think that's a good point and we saw the same thing happen with sisters where it's like they made the drill for free because it's an awesome part of the military you should use it um and they did it for free they could do the same thing with similar upgrades, you know yeah moricon was like a really fun army to play in 7th edition due to the fact that there are all these really cool upgrades that aren't worth taking the points efficiently but since you got them for free you actually like to see them and it made for really cool cool moments that I like when you take that like maybe an element that likes a very specific thing and you can actually do it makes the game fun to load here they both bring it right oh i forgot their songs people go for that um let's do rerolling to hit yup naturally perfect and let's do super sand perfect ok very cool thats all i need and they will load there oh sounds good ok they do geez are not sure how much it matters but yeah we have been doing astropath wrong.
He's the guy trying to cast a d6. Oh, his other powers are 2d6. as i missed once so let me pick one of my units to bring back the whole unit thanks chad i appreciate that though ok so we'll just be there let's go with targaryen storm first extra d6 attack ok like this that we have four bases oh yeah, how are you? You're splitting this up I'll do that I'm going to see how many attacks oh yeah sorry you're spawning your attacks. it's not there just yes but still yes four one for being a cool space marine one for being a super saiyan don't look at your results one for being an um i want this imperium sword ok and two more attacks just to run away being the targaryen storm also nice it's a storm of swords so that gives me a total of nine attacks so I have four on the squad I'm going to do three on the tempest and I'm going to do six on the squad I'm almost right finish and if I get the fatal wounds so it's like yeah ok he has no involvement unlike the tank commander so how many do you have?
Oh shoot, make me wonder. I'm going to do two. You're five damage, aren't you? I am five damage. Yeah, so I'll do two. two by two who's going to kill so i wipe out both squads right there and i have to consolidate in the nearest unit that's here fixing the point who's back in priority that's right i like everything good and there we go to just slice and dice do you want to roll dice or do I want to roll dice want to feel the fury of the storm I am the storm roll the dice here you can't physically throw it at me or assault me yes god yes that's like another way than like for adrian's bachelor party we're throwing in san diego we went to all the bars we were horribly beaten and at the end of the night, around three in the morning, we ended up on the beach and we were just like in our drinks and excited like happy and excited for each other, yeah we started fighting with each other at work it was actually amazing and also with reese and frank yeah it's like jeff the front line hero flew in to be there at the bachelor party and he said i wouldn't miss your wedding tournament for bao and then he flew back and that's where he got to the final round yeah that was awesome yeah so this is cutting edge veterans here so you've opened up the odds it should beat them, so what are the odds if we turn around? wow that's good three re-rolling and everyone this is two damage ah something dead they're dead like well done well done okay and then they're going to consolidate in a way the closest guy is here yeah , so they are. it's going to be like don't shoot me please ok so it's approaching tangentially which gives them that extra movement which is really nice it looks nice ok ok i like it so at the end of my turn , I have my priority goal, yes, so I understand it and I understand it.
I did not back down this turn. I got one. for my oath of the very good moment and I killed a character character two points for my author moment there it is look that don't call it a comeback because it is not so this is a star turns five adrian how are you doing in the primaries here alright so on turn five i'm on uh three so you wait for me for 15 banners gave you two yeah he took this one off so i got two banners yeah it looks good alright the last turn adrian let's do it so I'm just going to hop on at this point put up this last sign yeah last minute I'm going to come in and we're going to try and kill these guys and that'll be basically so I don't know if I can honestly , I can even see them, you can.
I won't be shooting the mana core anymore, by the way, I know how to shoot five and five, and thanks Johnny, be nice regardless. h is a flop for flavor, how would you feel if you had a redeemer or two on a list of white scars to aid the drukari raiders? well everyone I think you should run at least one yeah I definitely don't have one right now but they are so fantastic and do a lot of heavy lifting and the best part is they are a good fire magnet for your opponent so it allows you move all your other pieces correctly I think running three redeemers with a tech marine as the forge master is super solid and if you really hate your friends bring that list the list I'm working on right now is a super heavy tank atreus and like three redeemers and a tech marine in so cool it's a lot of fun another one i want to become that guy people talk about in legends he was like this guy is an idiot right i also really like them like inceptors and attack bikes obviously they are good at taking out t he also rides a bike because they are the muggers too because they move so fast redemption is a little slow um but if you can see him you will kill him uh should we dance no let's do this so uh psychic uh nothing um i don't even take the hit cause you messed it up before it's a basketball reference wow that's a good sports ball reference bring it back to basketball oh yeah yeah i like the throwback so i just have a major tank uh moved uh more than half so you only get these six shots still five four five in three we're rolling once the real one looks good okay ok folks what's your wound percentage like 90 oh my gosh I'm hitting two for guard yeah geez minus two so it takes you your fours that's three ok so that's d3 that's the first kill them and kill two, okay, kill two, kill two, here are the heavyweight vultures in three, known as marine killers. three here looks good so we have four at minimum us one so let's go back to your three there that's how you're supposed to roll uh the wyvern um all on them so here's his heavy bolter he finally gets a c and then the number of shots we will turn this three into two how much cp do you have left i have like all of them you have a lot he has eight you should be using the reroll to hit now it should be yes just do it just take me to the ground ok spend me the cp both cp for that yeah , on four, the reroll looks good, here's the reroll, nice conversion, yeah, it should be nice, and then forward with the reroll like you have two advantages against this, so only you could, yeah, okay, there you go.
Lots of dice, uh, two oops, let's see, oh, you played real close to the sleeve, yeah, oh my God, don't take a wound, but take a wound, okay, that's gonna be it for me, so that is what dominates, that is a priority. target and uh we'll do the end of the banners at the end of the game ok shane bring the ruc kus shane you're starting with one starting with one and we'll start there huh though we're going to write that down at the end but I'm not okay , yes, I think you could, yes, we'll write it down at the end. you could get to two you could get to two you want to play for points you want to play for kill points you can kill two squads of guards there oh there are two yes it's 10 here and then 10 here it's ok because the boring answer is like no you come here , you get yours and you kill it, there you go, that's what it is, I don't get a point for a kill, but yeah, it doesn't matter if you feel good about yourself, I'm going to be like that. from the dawn of war trailer about how the marine who runs and it's like he gets shot but still plants the banner like like like oh just our next game is where it's like I'm going to get revenge when the reinforcements arrive.
I have three Redeemers on the trail. Beautiful, okay, there's nothing to do there. buffs you can do probably just dunk them anyway so ufcp uh two cp's ok that's a repeat yeah no not a lot of guaranteed wounds on sixes to hit that's exciting yeah people love to reroll now yeah where can i command roll exactly ok get threes on the last roll of the game is exciting it all comes down to this can i do 30 points here this could be a 30 point spread sinking three ok ok use command point on one do it gotta save for the wounded roll i just wanted you to count like 21 hits or was that so bad theres wow seven eleven misses so more than half yeah no you roll one do do do you roll one yeah , I need my CP.
Everything is going to be alright, I just converted, so hello. t with more than half there you go the math is restored three are rolling again yes you got it i did yes yes you did shane thats how rocky balboa felt yes i can continue my rant about rocky balboa maybe in the q a yes huh so what are you looking for points then ok so i'll do it i didn't back off yeah and i keep center so it's three points the other time yeah i keep my priority target so i have three there and i'm holding two targets yeah so ten points ok solid guard wow victor did you write it as ahead did you have it ready? it became that second half but um it was some bad positioning of course we'll discuss this in detail in the session q right after this so we won't go into that too much because there's definitely a lot to talk about. um, thank you very much for joining us.
I don't have a good number. ber as a therapist yeah maybe I would say go back to wards but no I don't know it's still bad there that depends on the raises it's all practice but like I said like I said we'll discuss it in depth huh in the q because i have some thoughts i have some thoughts um so it should be great we have of course next tuesday the game where um dark angels bridger is playing dark angels against something that i uh that i have to uh that is currently being voted on um and that he's in the uh premium section of discord if you want to become a member you can hit the join button right under the army yeah i've been wanting to get on the channel so it was nice to have him here and um yeah if not he You've seen, we have the latest mechanics video out yesterday and next week we're going to have a very, very packed week, so keep your eyes open, we've got a big announcement for a brand. new segment we're going to do and it's going to be very exciting so have a great weekend they'll catch 'em next time on the table
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