What if Gandalf Took the Ring? | Tolkien TheoryMay 30, 2021
It's a question that many have asked themselves:
whatwould happen if one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth
ring? sequence of events, so today on The Ring Nerd we address the question
whatwould happen if Gandalf
ring? Our story begins at the bottom of the bag over the years. Gandalf has become suspicious of Bilbo's ring after Bilbo leaves, he instructs Frodo not to use it believing it may be a ring of power while Aragorn searches for Gollum Gandolf heads to Minas Tirith where he finds the scroll of a door sealed and pieces together the story of the only ring that Minas Tirith leaves and on his way back to the region he learns from Lorian's elves that Aragorn has captured Gollum Gandalf travels to Merkwood where he interrogates Gollum seeing the effects he has had the ring on this creature that had once been a hobbit in addition to how it affected bilbo over the past decades
gandalfis now we are sure that the ring that frodo now possesses is, in fact, the only ring that
gandalftravels in haste back to the shire and arrives on April 12, 3018.
In the book we get an idea of how Gandalf may have come to possess the ring and what could happen if he didn't shout Gandalf with that power I should have too great a power and terrible upon me the ring would gain even greater and more deadly power do not tempt me I do not wish to become like the dark lord yet the ring's path to my heart is out of pity for weakness and the desire for strength to do good the desire to exercise it It would be too great for my strength now this is where the true story diverges and our
theorytakes hold after confirming that frodo's ring is the one. frodo offers it to gandalf instead of rejecting it out of his pity for the hobbits and his desire to do good, he agrees to take the only ring, this would be a very logical thing after all, sauron has known the names of shire and bagans for at least less By now a year will surely come for the ring and the land of the shire and its hobbit inhabitants are ill-prepared and ill-equipped to face any enemy force, with even the modest dunadine guard around their borders to keep them from doing so. mention that a hobbit like frodo if faced with a servant of the enemy would have little chance of counterattacking or escaping, so gandalf takes possession of the ring and decides to head to rivendell, the nearest stronghold from which to move, instead of leaving in september like frodo, gandolf leaves on may 1, the same day he leaves the shire in the real story of the books, it takes gandalf from september 29 to october 18 to reach rivendell from hobbiton, that's less for three weeks, which includes being attacked by the Nazgul at Weathertop. and taking a long detour north to lose the four who were pursuing him, we can safely assume that since the Nazgul did not abandon their dwellings of Minas Morgul and Dogeldor until June 20, Gandalf reaches Rivendell with relative ease within it. period of 3 weeks, which means it arrives in rivendell. he barks before the end of May 3018.
It is possible and even probable that Gandalf would have Aragorn accompany him to Rivendell, but the other members of the fellowship would not be in Rivendell for quite some time and the hobbits would be left out entirely. Gollum won't escape. The elves are in captivity until June 20, so there is no reason for Legolas to come to Rivendell yet. Likewise, Boromir and Gimli would not have left their homes either, much less reached Amladdress. Now the fellowship stayed in Rivendell for about two months, so for consistency's sake, I'll say that Gandalf rests in Rivendell for the same amount of time, so sometime between the end of May and the end of July, which They remain will have their own advice.
Gandalf, Elrond, Glorfendel, Aragorn and the elves of Rivendell, I now believe. At this point, Gandalf would still be following his own advice not to wear the ring. His journey has been relatively easy so far, so there hasn't yet been any reason for me to use it or even take it out of his bag or pocket or wherever he keeps it. as he has possessed the ring for two months it begins to work on him, although he probably doesn't realize it even if it was kept in a vault in rivendell while they decide what to do after having possessed it for weeks the ring begins to weigh on Gandalf.
At this point, the ring has enough of an effect on Gandalf to lead him to volunteer to take the ring at the council. The council still decides to destroy the ring, of course, as we learn in the actual book that this is really the only viable option they have. Now that they are here, they would have the choice of going south towards the Gap of Rohan, or traveling east, crossing the mountains and then turning south to Lorien. Here I think they would imitate what happens in real history by going south towards the Gap of Rohan. Multiple reasons for first traveling to Lorien in this way would take them close to the Dark Forest and even more worrying, as Sauron had been banished from Dolgodur by the White Council decades earlier.
We know from my Ringwraith video that Sauron still had forces there led by Nas Ghoul Kamal. the easterner traveling so close to sauron's only stronghold outside of mordor would indeed be taking a great risk, secondly, at this point, the sage would be completely unaware of saruman's betrayal, speaking of saruman, one would wonder why gandalf would not immediately go to saramon like him. In the films he consults the white wizard, while in the books, Gandalf only goes to Eisenguard after meeting Ratagast on the way while wandering through Eriador, since Gandolf has now taken the ring, he has no need to search the wild for news. and therefore would not be found. reaching out to ratagast to be told to go to isengard this may be a bit of a stretch but for all we know, ratagast can come to rivendell himself during this two month period looking for gandalf, he can even participate in this revised council by informing gandalf that Saruman wishes to see him as he sees him in the book so that this community would believe that they had an ally and a powerful one waiting for them in Isengard.
This alternate community leaves Rivendell at the beginning of August, you know what to avoid any confusion with the real community. I'm going to call our hypothetical community Gandalf's company since he is the star of this
theory, Gandalf Aragorn and a small group of Elrond's elves form the company, since in the books I think Elrond and Glorfendel are left behind once again . There are two possible approaches here. The path of the real story goes south on foot along the narrow paths next to the mountains to evade spies or they go along roads that could take horses today I am going the same way as Gandalf's company in the story canonical. composed of more warriors, but I think they would still err on the side of caution in choosing to evade Sauron's spies and travel in secret.
Interestingly, this means they would probably miss Boromir, who at this point travels north to find Rivendell. We know that boromir comes from mines. Tirith on horseback on the 4th of July heads north and through the Rohan Gap while forging the gray flood he loses his horse and must travel the rest of the way on foot. He spends a good part of his journey wandering the paths of Ariador since he does not know exactly where Rivendell is located, as it says in the Council of Elrond. For a long time I have wandered through forgotten paths looking for the house of Elrond, which many have heard of but few knew where it was since gandalf's company takes the nearby roads the misty mountains completely miss boromir, we now know that it takes the fellowship a little over a month to get from rivendell to lorien, which includes a failed attempt to cross redhorn pass, so we will give gandalf's company a month and a half to make their way to saruman in orthanc arriving in mid september now this is where things get really interesting gandalf has always been wary of saruman and feels the grasp of the one ring decides to hide his presence saruman tells the party that he must discuss important matters with gandalf alone From wizard to wizard, so to speak, while the rest of the party waits, Gandalf and Saruman head to Orthanc, where Saruman prepares For his big reveal, he proposes to Gandalf to join Sauron.
Gandolf fights off Saruman's attacks and begins to gain the upper hand in their fight in his desperation without knowing or being aware of what he is doing, Gandalf slips into the one ring as the power surges through him, Gandalf fights back and as he Defend kills Saruman with this act, the one ring strengthens his control over Gandalf after having heard the commotion. The rest of Gandalf's company stormed the tower of Isengard. Gandolf explained Sauron's betrayal and attack on Gandalf while concealing his use of the One Ring. The group sought to reevaluate their path after having lost what they thought would be an ally resting on eisenguard here the The change in timeline once again causes a very interesting circumstance, since we know the travels of the ring specters.
We know that in September 3018 they returned to the world in Rohan after having unsuccessfully searched the veils of Anduin for clues in the shire and Gollum in it. Point Sauron is aware of Saruman's betrayal and tells the Nas Ghoul through a messenger that he abandon the secret and head to Isengard. His arrival date is September 18, which lines up perfectly with Gandalf's company resting there. The nine come to Eisengard in search of Saruman, but instead they discover that Gandalf's company could a group of elves along with Gandalf and Aragorn resist the nine, it is possible, however, as Gandalf now used the ring and had a pair of days to think about the power it gave him, he cannot resist the opportunity presented to him in the unfinished tales that I hear a very applicable line from Saruman to the Nazgul when they come to Isengard.
I do not have it as surely her servants perceive without saying it, because if I did, then you would bow before me and call me sir with the nine preparing to lay siege to Orthanc. gandolf slips into the ring once again the ringwraiths confront their new bearer the nas ghoul are now gandalfs to command naturally aragorn and the fellow elves would be uncomfortable by this development gandalf dismisses their concerns as a one-time occurrence and assures them that Solo used the ring this time as they could not hope to fight the nine while he was still tired from his battle with Saruman.
It's just the lucky break they need in the end. Gandalf convinces the party that the rights to the ring cannot be destroyed while Sauron and the ring remain, however since Gandalf possesses the ring he can command them wreaking havoc on Sauron's forces, reluctantly Aragorn and the elves allow For Gandalf to send the Nazgul, he orders the Witch-King to return to Lesser Morgul and make preparations for war with all the Orcs under his command, Gandalf's company, head southeast towards Rohan, arriving in Aeterus about a week later. , just when in the books, Theoden and his kingdom have been weakened by the words and poison of the Grima worm's tongue in a similar way to the real story theory. to Eterus and cures the king and Grima Wormtongue is banished from the kingdom in the books, Theoden is much more eager to fight Saruman than in the movies, the same day Theoden is cured, he leads the Rohirum to fight Saruman in a way similar.
Theodin's theory catches up thanks to Gandalf, except in this situation they are taking the fight to Sauron. Gandalf consults with the king and it is decided that Theoden will gather the Rohirrim and ride to Minas Tirith after a rest of about a week in Eteres. Gandolf makes his way south and tells Aragorn and the elves to assist in the preparations for the Rohirum and to meet him at Minas Tirith making the journey of approximately 350 miles. Gandalf arrives at Minas Tirith at the end of October 3018 at approximately the same time that Boromir arrives at Rivendell and holds council with Elrond.
The elf who wishes to keep the secret of the ring will only indicate that a company with an important task has headed south and that Boromir will probably be of better service in his hometown Gandalf is taken to the throne room of Minas Tirith to meet with the city's steward, Gandalf reveals to Denathor his plan for Rohan and Gondor. Rohan will ride to Minas Tirith, he will join the forces of Gondor and ride to the Black Gate to wage war on Sauron himself. Denathor rejects Gandalf's plan. He has received news that the Minas Morgul forces that had attacked us at Gileth have retreated to the Veil of Morgul.
Why should they now ride out to confront an enemy who has retreated like in the books? Denathore has used the palantir to learn the truth about Aragorn and knows that he rides with Theoden. he responds to Gandalf in the same way as in the king's return. Don't I know you, Mythrandir? Your hope is to rule in my place and stand behind every throne north, south or west, so with your left hand you would cook me for a while. as a shield against mordor and with the right to bring this ranger from the north to impersonate me but I tell you reindeer from the myth of Gandalf I will not be your tool I am butler of the housefrom an arion I will not resign to be the dota chamberlain of an upstart, even if his claim were proven to me, he still comes, but from the line of a sildore I will not bow to such one, the last of a tattered house that long stood deprived of lordship and dignity, by this time the ring has a strong control.
In Gandalf, he is no longer concerned with the courtesy of the halls and the positions of men. He responded quite a bit to the magician. Have you sat in the ruler's seat once again? Gondor will have his kingship and by no authority of yours will he be denied like Denethor. rises from his seat gandalf wields the combined power of the ring of fire and the only denethor is consumed by flames and is no longer with the missing butler gandalf takes control of the city orders war preparations to begin immediately in the books se It takes the Rohirrim five days to travel from Dunharrow to Minas Tirith with less urgency, they arrive about a week after gathering their forces after making preparations for battle with Aragorn and Theoden Gandolf leads their combined forces on their march towards the Black Gate a In late November, in a coordinated attack, Minus Morgul's forces attack Baradur's forces in the days before the nine lead Morgul's forces against their former master.
When the men from the west arrive, they break through the gate and find two decimated armies. Gandalf orders the forces to him. and the ring is qualified to attack all orcs sauron's servants must be completely destroyed gandalf calls the dark lord himself from his tower
tolkienhimself covered this hypothetical scenario in letter 246 one can imagine the scene where gandalf says that was placed in such a position, it would be a delicate balance, on the one hand the true loyalty of the ring to Sauron, on the other the superior strength because Sauron was not actually in possession and perhaps also because he was weakened by the long corruption and the expenditure of inferior will to dominate Sauron. descends from his tower to fight Gandalf face to face Gandalf with his two rings unleashes all his power and is the victor destroying the dark lord at this point in the midst of the chaos of the battle and the defeat of Sauron Aragorn runs towards Gandalf offering his help to take the ring to ride doom gandalf rejects the ring it is mine it will remain with me and with it I will protect all of middle earth it is the only way no gandalf you cannot keep it says aragorn gandalf realizes aragorn wants the ring for himself or for At least that It is he who believes that he should take advantage of this opportunity after the battle between chaos, whether by a nearby specter or by his own hand.
Gandalf kills Elisar. Gandolf mourns the loss of his friend, but knows it was necessary to keep the peace. and the ring orders the armies to return to their kingdoms and spread the word sauron is overthrown and peace will reign in middle earth to ensure this peace gandalf makes plans to place each of the nine nazgul in strategic positions throughout the land half peace and order must be maintained at all costs those who resist or break the law will be dealt with severely. I will conclude with another quote from Tolkien's letter 246 on Gandalf's rule. Gandalf as Lord of the Ring would have been much worse than Sauron, he would have remained just, but himself. -just would have continued to govern and order things for the good and benefit of his subjects according to his wisdom which was and would have remained great gandalf would have done good detestable and appear evil it seems that I have missed a lot tell me mithrandia where is my Father, where is my brother?
I have stationed your brother in Australia he is overseeing the rebuilding of the city your father is dead it seems Sauron had poisoned his mind with the use of a palantir my hope is that in his absence you will be of great use to gondor I cannot stay permanently in one city i only need a modest force from you and theoden for my journey a force where will you take this mithrandian force many things must be established to ensure the safety of middle earth i travel to rivendell and lorien rivendo the line of kings has failed boromir i believe that it's time for a new line to start what you say king so there you have it guys my theory on what would happen if Gandalf took the only ring that rules over Middle Earth keeping the peace by brute force a tyrant in a different mold than Sauron, but even more tragic because he does great evil in his pursuit of good.
Now, obviously, there's a lot of guesswork here and some things I did simply because I thought they were interesting, I just couldn't. Resist Denithor being on fire the second time, so now I pass it on to you. What do you think would happen if Gandalf took the one ring? Let me know in the comments as always. I want to say a huge thank you to my Patreon supporters, including Tom. bybombadil 19 sky carcass selim rahman jim agile davis s'morezerk and matt schultz thank you so much for watching and subscribing and see you next time on nerd of the rings
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