What A 15 Year Old Mass Killer Looks LikeJul 12, 2022
Ryan's parents' friends were successful in Taylor's interrogation room. He
lookslike he is fighting with himself. It's like he has something he wants to get off his chest. The detective is simply expressing. how crucial it is that he revealed the full story of
whathappened the night before and into the morning, where everything took a terrible turn for the worse. Are you sure you turned 100? Is there something you should tell me because I'm not telling you how important this is right now. There is something you believe. Actually he did. He told me he was going out, but he didn't tell me where he was really going, he said I appreciate this, this is when he said it was going to be okay, I mean, while he's talking, Taylor picks up the water bottle, all of a sudden he has to drink something. that is, because this happened precisely when he was telling the detective that Nick had gone out.
Ryan does the same thing when he seemed uncomfortable based on behavioral observations. Taylor and Ryan seem to know something or have strong suspicions that Nick was up to no good when he left. the house he was going to go to did well he told you something else uh he said he was going to go and taylor
looksdown and avoids eye contact showing that he is clearly nervous revealing
whatnick told him he was going to do note that the The detective leans very close to him when he begins to stutter and hesitate. The detective is mirroring the child's body language, which is a non-verbal relationship building technique used to make them feel more comfortable and friendly with the detective.
Typically, mirrored behavior is something that can be observed. between people who are close and comfortable with each other, although we cannot be sure and he may be displaying this behavior unconsciously, as most people do, the detective seems to be using this technique quite intentionally during interrogations in an attempt to make the group feel more comfortable, friendly and willing to share any information they may have, point out any mirroring behavior you spot during interrogations with time stamps in the comments, said I could come, take the car, but taking his parents' car, Taylor continues to talk but becomes more obviously uncomfortable, stutters a little and starts covering his face with his hands while talking, fidgets and touches his face frequently, which is a calming behavior.
He is probably feeling very anxious, possibly still feeling undecided about whether to be loyal to his friend or not. Honestly with the detective again, this is another pretty strong hint that Taylor may not be telling the whole truth. The question is why he would risk himself just to try to protect Nick, given that the crime here is so serious. He just told me that he's going. could he take the car, he took off with the car, no he didn't, he said he was going to do it and the next thing I knew I woke up and he said he fell asleep forever so he said he fell asleep in his car and that can't. then he came back, I guess I don't know which one he did right and he's fine, unless you think a little.
I'm going to come back and talk to you. Well, once alone, Taylor seems quite uncomfortable and is probably nervous about this situation. Now I hear first hand what Nick says happened the night before and then around 130 I stupidly went back to my house to try to get the car. Nick says, stupid, to make it clear that he knew it was a bad idea and he appears before the officer like he was a good kid and announced that the keys were where my parents were. The lights were on in the house. Notice how Nick bangs on the table as he speaks in an attempt to emphasize his points.
However, these blows seem rather ill-timed. that aligned with their statements and announced that the keys were, um, where were my parents, the lights are on in the house, usually these types of illustrators will align with a person's statements when they are telling the truth, but they all the nicks are off and sometimes he is not even hitting the table, this is also known as incongruent body language or when someone's words and body language do not match according to the body language panel, they are known as illustrators off of place or inopportune and can be a queue of deception and I'm sorry.
I want to take the car out, so because the light is bad, you know, it's kind of a job, so I got in the car and started, you know, they'll go to bed and half an hour and they like to be outside, so I I sit there and I fall asleep and then I get a call from Alex I think five in the morning and then I wake up he wakes me up and then you know I slept in the car and the lights are still in the house okay and no It makes sense now, but Yes, then do it.
I came back like yeah, that's five more places. So did you ever get into the keys or not? I was in that car but never inside the house. It's okay, it's okay. His casual behavior is somewhat unusual given what he has just found. His entire family was murdered, however, it is possible that he is currently experiencing feelings of denial and hasn't let the truth fully sink in, which could go some way to explaining why he seems to be acting normally. Nick speaks in a much more mature manner compared to his three friends, who definitely sound more like children, walking back to Ryan's house?
Alex now gives his account of the dream situation at Ryan's house, which is a little different from what the other kids said. He watches as his story begins to evolve as he fills in some of the missing things. pieces of the puzzle so you're the next one left in the room yes you're 100% sure you have to be completely honest with me that nick was there with you yes yes alex denies that nick left the house that night the detective already knows it's false, alex may feel like he has to protect his friend by saying that nick was sleeping in the living room all night at that age, once relationships with peers can be the most important thing, friends' opinions and thoughts often They hold each other in higher esteem than their own family.
Okay, I'm going to have two people tell me that he left the house. This is a murder investigation. Four people have been murdered tonight. Don't you want to start lying to me right now? I will drag this if you start lying to me you need to tell me 100 truths I already know he left the house I know why he left the house yes, he left he immediately changes his story and now seems to be telling the truth the boys may have decided together to lie about that Nick left the house before being taken to the station to protect his friend saying that he left the house would obviously make him look guilty, tell him what happened, well Nick was also leaving the house because he was going to take out his car, so when did he tell you that?
He was going to go there, he said he was going to leave at 12:45. What are you going to do? Do you have someone visiting the girls or something? No, they'll just drive around. Okay, what happened after that? well I fell asleep around one okay and then you just couldn't stand that little yeah and then I woke up around five and I called Nick to see where he was because he wasn't going to come back and wake me up when he had the car but he never he called so I called him and he said he was walking back to Ryan's house and he was lost and I told him how to find him and he said he was going to go into the house to get the keys and then he fell.
Asleep in the car, I understand he said, for about three hours. I guess it's hard to know if any of these guys suspected anything or maybe even knew more. Alex's behavior here is similar to Taylor's, except that he seems to lie more openly about the situation in the room. Back in Ryan's interrogation room, the detective gets the same story given by Taylor and Alex that what happened we went upstairs, just had breakfast or lunch and see, oh Nick went up, took a shower and then oh my gosh, game, look, Alex drove. We went back to Nick's house because we were going to go there to spend the night and he came in, I don't know, when we were waiting, he was worried because Nick, because he said it was like he was calling him, like all morning, he started calling . back 11 and um he was like he kept calling like all the fans were leaving messages and no one was answering, he's like worried and uh Taylor bends down while he's talking and grabs his water bottle, which is a sign of his nervousness, he also repeats.
Sometimes about how Nick was worrying, he seems to want to emphasize Nick's concern for his parents because he said that his mother was going to take him out around nine to clean the house, not in the morning and she never did. did. I guess he's gone and I don't know, I guess he's just sitting somewhere and then we have in the course of this, I've been calling my parents all day and then from the cell phone, originally from the house phone by Ryan. and my phone many times is fine, fine, there is a very specific reason why the officer asks about Nick making calls to his parents and siblings to compare his statements about his calls with phone records if the police obtain these records and they are inconsistent With his story, they can do two things: convince the jury that he is not telling the truth and convince Nick to confess because his story doesn't make sense.
Any idea what happened. The detective wants Ryan to explain exactly what happened that afternoon before the horrendous discovery of nick's murdered family me taylor nick and alex were at the mall we came home um mr pat took us to nick's house because we'll be there tonight because they were all at my house last night and when we got there um Nick was already worried because his experience was always calling him and stuff and checking in and they haven't because he hasn't talked to him since six o'clock yesterday okay and he's getting really worried, so when we got back there, he was just. all outlined on things he holds with his hands in front of his body while he describes what happened, which could be a calming position.
This is probably the first time he's been in a police interrogation room, so it's understandable that he's feeling anxious. We started talking about the four boys arriving at Nick's house that same afternoon after his trip to the local mall for you guys to get home. What happened then, then the garage door. I enter through the garage door. How is it done? Is it okay outside? or something right when I walked in um and then the doors and I left, which is strange because one of my parents closed the door, what door, the door and then we walked into the kitchen of the garage which was making a lot of noise, it would be a lot, but no. it was. so I walked in okay and I saw my dad on the couch and that's pretty much what you said about that.
I know, stop, but what did you say? I saw that he was on the couch. It's notable that Nick doesn't seem like it in the slightest. a little upset or emotional while talking about finding his entire family murdered or when he saw blood on his father's face, this would have been an extremely traumatic event for him, so it's surprising that he doesn't seem to show any signs of trauma, no. has cried. expressed shock or even speechless, lowers his voice and mutters a little, but this change in volume and speech may be due to fear and by not wanting to talk about the crime, he may be keeping his emotions a secret or pretending Brave face, we don't know his typical behavior, so keeping his emotions inside may be normal for him.
Okay, what did you do after that? We then spoke to Mr. Smith and he came into the house. He called both my 911. I saw them. I don't know Nick's diagnosis, but this lack of emotion despite talking about his entire family being dead is typical of people with antisocial personality disorder. Please note that the people involved in this case have not been formally diagnosed with any mental illness and the psychological analysis is Not based on a formal evaluation, we discovered his father on the couch looking bloody, his face was very pale and then we found the Mr.
Pat, who was about to leave, came in and then pushed us like he was the father, so Nick went upstairs and found his mom in the master bedroom and his two brothers in their bedroom like everyone damn and I was there upstairs with him too and alex was at the end of the hall and i just grabbed nick and brought him outside. Alex gives his opinion on the disturbing discovery. from Nick's deceased father I stood by the stairs when you came in I didn't want to I didn't want to see anything and Nick just said he saw blood um and then when I was walking away I stopped him, right? see his dad or something, yeah, I saw him on the couch, I feel him outside, and I got Mr.
Smith okay and he came in, he's like screaming, it's like a challenge and, um, so I gave him a shake home phone and I called Nick, he went to 911 and I looked. his brother is in front of mom's room and they had like blood on them you said nick ran up the stairs nick ran up the stairs nick winston yeah you wanted to see where everyone else was so let me out when mr. powell was on the phone when you It came out, where did you go? You stood behind, sir. Did they go to the back of the house?
Yes, we went, we stayed back, we're going to see if there's anything, any sign down there, so he opened the door and saw the xbox and itssmart and a good student if you had ap classes drinking is a behavior that does not normally align with the profile of a good student, but many times high achieving students can put excessive pressure on themselves to perform and therefore, look for ways to deal with emotional stress. That results from that excess pressure, sometimes these types of students have parents who set excessively high expectations for their academic performance. Have you talked about anything about your parents?
No, he's crazy, he talked about having daddy issues or something else. No, he said his father really likes him. Hard on him, although Alex also hints at a troubled relationship between Nick and his father. However, this may be true in several families with teenagers. What kind of boys? Nick. He's a good guy. He's full of weapons or whatever. Do you like weapons? Yes, he has them. lots of airsoft guns how about real guns? Do you know if you're ever going to shoot with his dad or something? Yeah, I don't think it's honest. Did he talk about a gun last night?
No, a real weapon. Yes, you know he once saw it. carrying a real gun, no, you said you had a good relationship with a father, was he hard on you or something? I mean, you know we've had our problems, but yeah, your friends, instead of being jealous, said they caught you drinking, yeah. saying that his friends ratted him out, the detective may be trying to do two things here: first, show Nick that it's okay to admit mistakes he made in the past in the hopes that he can admit other mistakes he made in the past and second, implicitly indicating to him that his friends have information about his past mistakes and that they are willing to share with the police what happened there.
There were actually two times, one time I got caught at a friend's house and then there was a ski trip. This was actually about a month ago. Yeah, ski trip to Vermont and I stupidly brought some stuff and they found it and you know your parents were always on top of it. No, they found them in my bag before that. He reveals that he had been in trouble recently, but he acts as if. His relationship with his parents is quite good, but this indicates that Nick seems to have a pattern of disobeying rules. It is possible that he may have had addictive tendencies if he brings alcohol to take on a trip, but, of course, to some extent he is a teenager who drinks.
It can be considered age-typical, as teenagers often experiment with alcohol long before reaching the legal drinking age. Brian or someone told me you called home and talked to Greg at one point last night I called him I don't call them or walk around Spring Light or Spring Down Do you talk to your brothers at all? No or no. Alright. Nine ten. Could you? tell them to wait, don't get out of the bathtub or watch their tongue at this point, the officer has not yet turned accusatory towards Nick and continues to try to convince him that he is not a suspect.
Leaving the back door open could possibly turn out to be premeditation. The detective should have been clearer about why he made this request to his brother. I still can't believe someone would want to do this to your parents. What if you're off work? Any problems, neighbors or um, there's a Bobby, something ahead, not this. It's just a shot in the dark, there's been a few, there's been a few house cops before it's some kind of neighborhood fool, yeah, I guess you're calling me, that's why the cops are coming. I really don't know, I mean, I. I've heard drugs with you, you know, good rumors start, who knows Paul Powers, Avenue Power, even though it's the seediest looking house.
Nick may be trying to point the detectives in another direction by mentioning to the neighbor that he has apparently been in trouble with the police. before he may feel a bit worried since the detective was questioning him more closely, so he wanted to suspect someone else, instead naming someone else might indicate that Nick doesn't really believe he is a suspect. At this point the detective comes back and asks a broad open question to see what Alex might have remembered while sitting alone for an hour, anything else you think you need to tell me, I don't know, he always says his brothers are annoying and stuff. things and says that his mother drinks a lot.
It can especially be a red flag when there is a parent in the home who might be abusing alcohol; There is an impact on the entire family system when there is a parent who abuses alcohol, including the other parent's father, Nick, who may feel that he has to make up for the mother's abuse. The absence, if this is true and it has not been confirmed to be so, could create stress for the entire family. He just said he's very hard on him and I guess he calls him Hitler. I don't do it because I helped her.
Yes, because he is very tough. about him, okay and are you sure he didn't let on what was going on last night no, he didn't say anything like I'm just going to do that okay, okay, whatever, you have to tell me if we're going here because this is it, I I don't know we're going to start talking to Nick now, not like I told you before. I don't want you to come back and say, I told you this or I told you that or because that makes things different so far. been completely honest with me, I just don't want something to come against you when you've been trying to think that's what it's all about, that's all I have to do, okay, then we'll get you out of here, then oh yeah, leave. your rod, your taylor and your dad and uh ryan too, okay, get going.
Alex Ryan and Taylor are able to leave the police station and go home while Nick remains alone to continue answering questions. Get ready because this is where the case really begins. the rails, okay, we'll get jersey for some food, here for you, where are my friends?, my life, are they going home?, my parents, from Nick's perspective, he probably doesn't believe that the police will I would give food to a murder suspect, and this makes him feel more comfortable, however, this is actually a common tactic when interrogating someone, people are more likely to open up when they feel comfortable and people feel More comfortable when they are fed, the detective leaves them alone to eat the food he ordered later. everything that happened to his parents and siblings Nick can eat a hamburger and fries after finishing eating Nick moves to a different chair and lies down with his feet up, this shows that he feels comfortable and relaxed, which which is abnormal, also shows a lack of respect. to authority, most 15
yearold boys would be afraid to put their feet up and rest like that in a police station, he acts like this is his living room, this could be an indication that he doesn't care not at all the serious events that are unfolding around him. this could also be an indication of a sense of entitlement again this shows a complete lack of concern for what happened to his family hours ago nick is left alone in the room for over 25 minutes and the officer re-enters the room and his partner, another police officer, introduces himself, I have been a police officer for a long time.
The homicide stuff just doesn't add up with you right now, okay, yeah, this is the first time the officer turns accusatory toward Nick and his convoluted story is about to drop. in pieces tell me why your dad was going to pee on you yesterday all your friends say your dad was unusually literally here yesterday the detective may be lying to you about his friends saying his dad was mad at him yesterday and that wasn't mentioned anywhere Of the three interrogations, the detective probably wants Nick to believe that his friends turned on him so that he feels he has no choice but to admit the truth.
I mean, I see what he wants in the bathroom, but what house did he go to? at the door and made sure his parents were home, fine, but everyone said he was just angry. Why was he angry? He was not there. Why would I say that? What is the reason why they would say something like that? he's not, he's never nice, I don't think that's the case, they said it was uncharacteristic of him, usually when he sees them he's always nice, that's why this particular moment stood out to them, I mean, they didn't see another one, there was other.
Someone's fingers right there was something, so I'm not sure what his experience is basically. I'm just not like what I'm saying. This was not what Mr. Ferrari said. Okay, so you're saying he wasn't upset, yeah. and even if it was, they wouldn't have seen it, you know, everything would have passed through me, but things don't end there. I don't understand some things that happened here tonight. I think so. something to do with what happened tonight, if he were innocent he would be expected to immediately and strenuously deny killing his family, but he keeps silent, his mind is probably racing as he may have thought he got away with yours since the detective was very pleasant and the interview.
It wasn't very threatening at first, I think you killed your family and the thing is the more you lie the deeper it gets the implication is that if he confessed he could get a lesser punishment and that if he lies his punishment will be worse nick He already waived his right to remain silent and has not invoked that right since. There has to be a reason why you did this. The officers say we need to know why, but legally speaking they don't really know, although a reason may help. The grieving family receives closure showing that a motive is not actually a legal requirement to prove murder, you just have to prove that the suspect killed a person and intended to kill them, although it is true that judges cannot use the criminal's honesty to determine whether it is inappropriate.
Punishment The punishment for first degree murder can only be so lenient that the officer's statement is not entirely accurate, even then it is not actually illegal for a police officer to lie about the effects of the confession as long as the suspect has waived to their rights. I need to know what happened here look at this there are happier moments the other detective is holding up what's supposed to be a family photo probably trying to appeal to Nick's emotions no one broke into the house last night it had to be you no one else did this you know where we found the keys to the gun lockers, yes tell me, do you know where the house searchers are, yes you know, they are under the mattress in your room, the police may not even have this evidence, it is a common tactic for police officers to tell a suspect that they have some kind of irrefutable evidence, even when they don't, to make the suspect believe that confessing is their only way out of this situation on the right side of the bed, no one put there, no one broke. you entered this house, you entered that house that you knocked on and you made your brother leave the door open.
The officers remember that Nick called Greg and asked him to leave the door open because the first officer allowed him to tell his own version of events earlier. He now he has something. to convince him that lying is of no use there is no other explanation yes you did and the more you lie the deeper it will become for you you are 15 you really still have a life ahead of you but the more you lie the deeper it becomes for you I mean , do you want people to look at you as a cold-blooded murderer or someone who just made a mistake?
The second officer uses a classic cane interrogation method technique by asking Nick if he is cold. blood murderer with this technique, an officer suggests two alternative reasons why the suspect committed the crime and one of the answers is something more socially acceptable, even if he admits the more socially acceptable option, he would still be confessing that no one else would He told how it happened. The keys fell on your mattress. Nobody broke into your house. He killed your family. The only weapon missing is a 9 millimeter. Why didn't your father kill him? He did it. You killed your family.
His denials are in a soft whisper for the first time. He seems like the child he really is throughout the interrogation. Nick is presented as a young man with a level of maturity that is far beyond his ears, but here he seems like a scared child. Why did you call your father and I will tell him that it is like this? our pace, he's straight, I mean, that's our everything, it's just that my mom is calling on his strength, how else could this happen other than you? It was crazy, no it wasn't, it's not going to make it go away right now, you're a man. you have to be happy about this I couldn't you did it as we speak to develop more and more evidence that you did this there is no other explanation for once there is no other explanation for what we are finding other than that you did it, whatever it is, it I did, you see, you see, yes, you did, you lied to us, you lied to us about you contacting your brother, you lied to us about the keys, you only told me after I pointed it out to you too. you did it and the keys the keys to the weapons locker or in your bed or under your bed there is no other explanation no one broke into this house it was you, you left your friends what happened why explain to us why this happened they provided me with everything that I want but were dispossessed, the detectives mention a possible reason why the parents ofthat at the beginning. from the interrogation nick is almost trying to convince himself that he didn't do it or would like to believe he didn't do it there's something in the way he denies it that seems like he just wants it all to go away you're just mine you're digging yourself deeper into a hole, you're 15
years old, you'll spend the rest of your life in jail feeling it and if I tell you a reason, that won't change my jail sentence, no.
It gives us something to tell your neighbors your family but I didn't do it because everyone is looking for a reason what is theft you haven't done anything other than many of your friends I couldn't find the car keys I couldn't get into the house all the lights They were on You have your car keys in your jacket You have no idea what the gun locker keys are that have not yet been found in your mattress You leave your friend's house Yes, I'm going to go get the car Don't come back until six in the morning last night it was 30 degrees outside you didn't sleep in your car you didn't know what to do that's the problem that's why you were gone so long you spent those hours contacting some silly story that juries can understand isn't a story you know maybe you didn't do it that but she didn't know what to do I mean you are claiming that you wake up and all the lights are on but you I know everything is wrong Why didn't you come in?
You knew the back door was open. The lights were on. The lights on my passport you said before that all the lights were on. You fell asleep. You woke up. All the lights were still on. you said my parents put my legs on you said all the lights were done by them and I the keys were um or my parents were the lights on in the house like the lights are on in the house this is the problem you can't keep a record of what you say you can't keep track of what you're saying keep a record if you asked me where my parents' room was you haven't shed a tear for your family you were totally unfazed about it you walk into my house your whole family she's murdered and you just I didn't do it why would I do it like this cry cry would make you believe I think you're trying to convince yourself that you're doing a terrible job of convincing me that I have to commit to you yeah, do you believe it or not?
You believe it, you heard what you think, I couldn't, you did this, there's no doubt in my mind, there's no doubt in my mind, I'm afraid of this, okay, you know what You're under arrest, okay, four pounds , first degree murder. The detectives tried several different tactics to get Nick to confess. First they suggested that his friends had turned against him and told him that the police father had been angry with him. They then appealed to his emotions by showing him a family photo, repeatedly pointing out all the lies he had already told, they also tried to see if he cared about his image, which led him to give a reason for the murder so they wouldn't label him a heartless
killer, However, none of this worked.
Being arrested and handcuffed will probably scare Nick and make him realize the seriousness of his situation, leaving him alone right after is strategic as the isolation can increase his stress and put pressure on him to finally confess while he is left alone handcuffed to the wall and Nick in The table falls asleep once again. He is alone for about 40 minutes. The sound of the door wakes him up. His ability to sleep in this situation is disturbing. The first detective returns to the room alone, probably posing as the good cop while he removes the handcuffs. Nick is more likely to be honest with him because he can sense that he is on his side.
I'm just trying to help you. I'm trying to find out what happened to you. I mean, never. This is quite a tragedy. Know? that and we know that all the lights were off were in the house all the lights were all there there were no lights in the house when you went there the detective immediately confronts him with his lie about the lights being on in the house he sits very close to him invading your personal space to make you feel uncomfortable and his tone is now much more aggressive than before. This is a Reed method interrogation technique called positive confrontation.
The detective confronts the suspect with evidence or contradictions of what he previously said with a definitive answer. tone and aggressively explaining that they know, based on the evidence, that the suspect lied and see, you see all these little lies, all these lies, okay, but maybe I misspoke, but I mean, I knew I was in forgetting what I said , what you know, okay? I'm just saying I know it was wrong, what do you mean? He wanted to walk. I want to know what happens if there is a reason. I still began to imprison. Nick's response that even if there is a reason. going to jail is very telling as an innocent person would not make such a statement if there was any doubt that he was guilty this statement certainly confirms that he did it I mean but there you understand that there are mitigating factors in the world, there is a murderer in cold blood and there is a reason why people do things and there are differences there are differences in the way things are perceived the way people hear things yes it could inevitably determine the way you live your life yes you can live it like a blood
killercold to kill four family members for first degree murder or maybe there was a reason, however whatever it is there may be a reason why he will still go to jail .
Here the detective uses the technique of reading extenuating or alternative circumstances, he begins to explain. that people do things for reasons and sometimes those reasons impact the outcome for the suspect. This is said to be intended to make it easier for the suspect to confess and feel less judged. He will also make the suspect believe that maybe what he did is justified or at least. At least somewhat understandable, even if the suspects lie about why they did what they did, the police still have a confession to the crime on record, but why do you know if there is an explanation?
People want to listen, these people do not want to interrupt a 15-year process. old boy they want to know why father hit or abused them, no maybe he didn't physically abuse them, he degraded them, we know he was too hard on you, we already know that the detective now uses the alternative step of the cane technique in greater depth. presenting two possibilities, one is that he is a cold-blooded murderer and the other that there is a reason why he did it. He hopes Nick will stick with the less morally reprehensible alternative, since it is less threatening for him to confess to the detective. the contrast of the two until he accepts the less evil alternative, which is an admission of guilt either way, but you did it and that's it, the jury will stay here.
I didn't do it, although I didn't do it, you know. I'm not a heart, I'm just trying to figure out what happened here and give me the option, well you know you can feel better about yourself even in prison or I mean, I didn't until now. He told me I really think you have the key. The key doesn't mean anything. Oh, it means a lot to an experienced officer. Maybe, but a jury. So you're planning. You're playing on your mind right now. How am I going to beat this jury? I've beaten the jury, you're not in Baltimore County, are you?
You have given me the option of going to jail, funding me 100 or how long are you going to go to jail why nick asks why would he make an explanation. a difference in jail time a truly innocent person is unlikely to ask this, he is probably trying to decide if it would be better for him to continue denying or confess, but try to give a convincing reason as to why he did it. Is it the rest of your life or is there a mitigating factor what happened here there isn't so why did you do it I didn't do it but regardless there is no mitigating factor it is clear that nick is only concerned about himself and feels no moral responsibility in By admitting what he did, the detective will have to take advantage of that and make him see a benefit for himself by confessing that this selfish mentality is very common among criminals.
See, that's the horrible thing about this, so the only thing they have left is for you to shoot. four people I can't ever go to, I can't, I can't go over a portion of the administrators, you'll see that in the months of discovery, maybe a year after you've been sitting in bcdc for the entire time of the detention. center if I give a reason I would still be sitting in the same outreach center I don't know if there is any mental problem is there something going on here then I commit to psychiatric hospitals right I don't know I don't know I know it's just that I don't know , I don't know the reason, I can't guess, I can't understand why this happened, but I'm sure there is a reason because I can't imagine in my world that someone killed a mother father and his two little brothers but maybe there is a reason.
Which is why it's not my place to tell the jury why I present the evidence as I have it and it's in the jury's hand and you're playing pretend you can see it in your head, you're trying to downplay the jury, ah, take this bottom, i get it, but i don't know, i wish you could help me, i wish i wouldn't say i didn't, say yes, there was a set of keys under the bed i didn't even need the keys to see you are insisting on a which is just one thing we're telling you nick is arguing with the detective while still being careful and respectful, he's speaking hypothetically here because he's still sticking to his story that he didn't do it his more mature demeanor has returned now he speaks plus his tone of voice is a little higher maybe because he feels more comfortable with this detective than the other it's interesting how Nick has maintained his composure the whole time he's not excited or angry but just trying to present arguments implying that the keys under his mattress is not an indication that he killed his family since he is only 15 years old this type of thinking shows his intelligence and maturity he tries to convince me.
That Trump thinks we didn't do it, so what? Like he said, there's no reason why I don't understand, there's a lot of reasons to try to convince me, no, I'm sorry, not too much, there's no reason for me. I killed my family, right? It doesn't mean they don't do it, yes, they are fair to me, so whatever they don't do, they won't punish me when they find me with alcohol. They came on a trip two weeks, two weekends later, a guest. Over the weekend I took my friend to Deep Creek and we skied all weekend this weekend, most of his friends are at home, you know, yeah, they're tough, but they're not really that tough when they leave me, Let me do what I want, you don't exist.
I don't know why this wasn't a robbery. It wasn't someone breaking into the house. How do you know? I know we know these things. I have worked this job for 19 years for over 19 years. Now there is no reason for it. Why not? jeopardize you know you put money into it I have a very large inheritance or I had any inheritance that comes to me regardless of whether there is insurance money well, they are not, I am not a hours insurance that I could have that you know that comes to me he has real estate on the other hand I'm pretty upset you know I can filter my life without it there's no money why are they great with me I love my family we know, you know he doesn't sound convincing at all when he says he loved his family, it seems like he father could have been the motivating factor for the murder and the other three family members may have simply been murdered because they were home and were potential witnesses to the crime, but no one broke into the house, no one broke in, they did, someone obviously because.
Do you think they are dead? His response is very revealing: his entire family was murdered, but he is trying to convince the detective that it was a robbery. A true victim would simply try to help and cooperate to help find the killer. What else can you do? I think when I walked into the house I saw my mom, her jewelry, whatever was tampered with, I mean I've been in the house for about 10 minutes, I couldn't tell what was missing, what was still there, my xbox and my wheel was moving and I don't even know then why people didn't take that the person who broke into the house killed his family why they didn't take anything, they killed him and they were scared, well they were dead why wouldn't you take all this ?
Apparently they had time to prepare everything. This is where we are heading. He is not a thief. It is a prepared event. We all do it. He knows that the house was set up as if a robbery had occurred. Nick is silent and looks stunned. He seems unsure of what to say next. You did it. Everything was prepared. That's why we know that each of us has seen a real burden. How do you know it's on the ground? scenario, how do you even know things are missing? I just know that someone is missing or not, you said that the wii on the xbox long table why didn't they remove them, they are big, they are not, they are not easy to carry, okay, how about it? the jewelry there are tons of kids what your mom says mm-hmm I don't know, I don't know what she has personally, you know she definitely has valuables, I don't know if they are missing, how about your mom's cash ? dresser so they don't look full of cash, obviously, I think you know thatYou'll probably get pretty scared once you've killed that much, that's not how it works, it just doesn't work, number one thieves don't kill their victims. a feeling that the gun the nine million bears could be the one missing from the house the only man missing from the house will be that he was going to the workshop advantage there is no gun on the bench in the workshop I'm talking or something strange why Your dad would leave a gun on the bench in the workshop because it was funny.
He's not going to leave a gun in the Dutch workshop. It's him. Do you know my father? I think I know probably better than you, how can you tell how you do it? I don't know him, he would leave a gun outside, if the children in the house weren't children with that, they know that we use weapons, you know that they respect you, they are not going to touch you, where is this gun that we found? No, it's for you. I don't believe you. I'm looking into the eyes of a stone cold killer. There is no remorse.
The detective now confronts him with his lack of remorse and his behavior that shows his guilt. The detective is trying to keep Nick's confidence down and add more. evidence to show him that they know he is guilty that's why I think there may not have been a reason maybe you are an assistant to the murderer at home I didn't cry they don't show any emotion it's almost an emotion that condemns me this is very useful emotions people play with their emotions they belittle them you know that some things are uncontrollable it is inconceivable that someone could repress emotions or act in this situation unless they are a psychopath and incapable of feeling normal human emotions people who have established the stories in their head act like this people who perhaps they have almost convinced themselves that they didn't do this the detective is extremely confident when he says that the guilty people act exactly how Nick is acting, he is trying to make him doubt himself so he can do it.
Surrender and confess. I know you don't believe it, but we see this every day. I know the culprits by the way they haven't even talked about the evidence. I'm just talking about what you're performing tonight. That's very good. are you able to see this what you don't see there there is no lesser purpose in your offer you are saying make up a reason and maybe you are crazy you can go to a mental hospital I am saying there are explanations out there that can mitigate your life what do you think? it's going to happen I don't know what your explanation is there are reasons why people do things their heat of the moment their passion and what if one had a good time it's still the same result Nick shows his extreme narcissism when he focuses on the fact that that they haven't offered him a lesser sentence if he agrees to give a reason and that's why he hasn't, it doesn't even occur to him that confessing is the right thing to do out of remorse or guilt it may not be so I can't promise you anything right so stay away from me but yes I admit it I said I did it and I said oh but you know but why but I'm looking I don't want you to say I want to know why there's no why and do it but they don't they don't hate me they don't do anything and that does it worse for us because there is no explanation, you will be charged with this tonight, there is nothing to do, there is no question about this, but I hope there is a reason, a reason that we can explain in court to the state's attorney.
Here's why he said he did it. The detective returns to the topic of justification and tells him once again, they already have enough to convict him, so he will see a benefit in giving a reason as to why he did it. You know there are minor charges. You know there is involuntary manslaughter. You are a smart boy. You know about his second degree murder. all this but I don't know why things happen the only thing I have now is four dead people my literary course right now is first degree murder if there is a mitigating circumstance I would love to know this maybe that could affect the result in The rest of your life Nick has repeatedly stated that there are no mitigating factors.
This statement will ultimately make his defense more difficult if he goes to trial. His defense team will want to present a reason for him killing his family and his statements will provide that reason. It's much harder for a jury to believe that I'm not here for you. You may think it's okay, but you're trying to attract me. It just doesn't seem like the right thing to do. I just say and say some reason. It doesn't seem very convincing because I'm going to go to jail anyway, but if I take it to court I want to try one, so it's a big gamble, isn't it, but the rest of your life is ahead of you. but unlike that it is not true a lesser amount of time less amount of time but if it is still 30 years that is my life but what if it is not?
What if it is a strong enough mitigating factor? Trying to play in your head I know you I know what you're doing here I know maybe I know you But I know the type of person 'cause I've seen them here in the exact same seat before There's no way you want someone to come here and promise you better because I was mentally abused that's why I did this I'm going to give you five years that's what you want right that's what you want but I can't give it to you right now I can't say that, but I can certainly take what you tell me and give it to people suitable.
This is all after this. I no longer exist. There is no more spokesperson for you. This ends when I leave. Nick is probably feeling very uncomfortable right now. The questioning increases in intensity, as evidenced by the fact that he runs his hand through his hair frequently, which is a calming behavior, you're a good boy, I'm smiling, and he says he's trying to get there, which means who is preparing to confess that it is disturbing. that he is smiling as he considers confessing and this shows a complete lack of remorse, empathy or conscience. Nick may have psychopathy or some other serious personality disorder to show such inappropriate emotions.
I'm telling you I care, that's all. I can tell you that I care. I can tell you what you feel. What you did, the detective now tells Nick that he is a good guy and realizes that he cares. This isn't what he's actually been conveying, but the detective wants to make him feel comfortable confessing to him. You see, this is the first time, the first genuine emotion. I've seen him all night, what happened, Nick, what happened, a confession may be coming soon, as Nick has started nodding his head, according to the detective. Seeing this, the detective immediately moves his chair and moves closer to put more pressure on him, it's part. of the reading technique to approach the suspect when he is about to confess maintain eye contact and act as if he were an ally or confidant how can you say you didn't play into this?
Is it because you are a father? If he. he was the um the strong one, yeah, um, but why does the detective soften his voice and encourage him to explain what happened in a sympathetic tone? He is sitting just inches away for me to continue talking. Was he physical? It's not like an explosion anymore. Probably, so I'm serious. It wasn't also, it was that they were physical um um, I'm in the boy scouts right now, uh, excuse me, oh, okay, man, then there's this um, I'm almost evil and I'm almost done, it was getting. live the life of the dragon and then there's this weekend leadership camp on whatever and you know what this brownsie was somewhere out in the open, I forgot about it anyway I didn't want to go, you know, I'm almost done, you need a leadership camp leadership, so my attitude was He wasn't great on the ride the other day, so he got mad and started going down.
He hits my hand. Here we are getting a glimpse of the authoritarian and seemingly abusive parenting of Nick's father. This in no way justifies Nick's actions, but it does show that there may have been dysfunction in the home, if this is true, the physical and emotional abuse probably made Nick feel very helpless and could have made him so angry that he wanted to kill Nick. his father; However, at this time it is unclear why he would have also killed his mother and siblings, we do not have any information on whether the abuse allegations were ever found to be true or not.
Typically, the presence of antisocial personality disorder is what explains how a teenager can engage in such a horrible act against his or her family. An important point about apd is that according to the diagnostic criteria the individual must be 18 years old to receive this diagnosis if the remaining criteria are met this means that at 15 nick could not be given this diagnosis did he beat 92 mentally or not It was mentally and I It was like I hit it five times and that was the great lifestyle you know after a life ladder for God's sake so that was one of the beginnings you know from the beginning and It's how long it lasted. on this wall last fall and then left it there, the detective chimes in with comments that show support and seem to take Nick's side as he tells him the things his father supposedly said and did to him, this is to encourage him to keep talking and doing He feels like the detective understands him even though he knows that nothing his father said or did justifies his actions, he just kept going and the little thing seemed to always come back to it and then, you know, the alcohol thing happened and then I they called. they took you out of the car oh, you got a call earlier before I threatened to keep him away from you all the time your grades are good everyone else's great grades were good and last year, my last freshman year, I got a d one quarter, but then I got an a the next quarter, so I'm going to make everything not great in the d, I think so, and then for my birthday, which is in a couple of days, we just took friends to Deep Creek and, this last weekend, he was there. tense as usual and did he drink or something?
It's definitely alcohol. He is too stressed. I think he works when he gets up at five in the morning. 100 6 30. So you have Phil being nice and always going up. Let me have something. take out you know dinner almost every nothing almost but nothing sad a little bit but the ball shouldn't regenerate towards me and then on Friday night he was just he was just angry I don't even know why he was angry and then I was giving instructions hiding around the home and he just walks with clothes on something that didn't hit me, he just gets really angry and he didn't really miss, he didn't go two feet past the curve and he just had to make a sharp turn, calm. down and then you have to put the car in reverse, you got really angry and then I went back to look for the car and I saw him sitting on the couch, the TV was on, apparently the gun was in the shop.
The blow almost covers his face. The whole time he tells what he did as if he is trying to hide from what is revealing what happened. I thought I sat there for half an hour, he was sleeping, yeah, standing next to him and then I went between putting the tone in his head and walking away. down making a pillow also the gun he wasn't sure if he meant to pull the trigger or if he just wouldn't just the way he explains the story it doesn't sound like he planned to kill his father that night but when he saw the gun outside and his sleeping father he saw an opportunity and took it.
This may be the truth or he may have gone with the intent to kill them even if he decided that while he was in the house he could still be charged with first degree. Premeditation of murder does not have to mean prior planning, not even a few minutes of reflection before an action or a pause in the attack after which the perpetrator continues to attack, may be sufficient to bring the element of premeditation of murder into first degree be his statement that he didn't know if he intended to pull the trigger, it could be Nick's way of trying to distance himself from taking full responsibility for what he did.
It is also possible that he was telling partially the truth; he may have been hesitating in his decision whether to do it or not. shoot him the longer he kept the gun in his hand, Morris's confidence may have increased until he finally pulled the trigger and once that happened he freaked out, but I thought you know, come down, but I don't even know if they woke up or did. Whatever, but I'm sorry, the couch is ringing and they're awake and I, in many ways, is a greater indication of a complete lack of empathy and poor moral conscience when a person has the opportunity to reconsider their actions but goes ahead with the murder. anyway, even if Nick was out of it like he said or overwhelmed with emotions at the moment.
He still had moments in those 30 minutes where he must have realized the significance of his actions. She's still sleeping. Yes, she waited a little. I think she recanted his confession. Shooting her mother while she was sleeping eliminates any kind of justification for the murder, since she didn't even witness the murder of her father. The murders of both parents were completely unprovoked, as they were sleeping when they were shot. Shooting someone allows the killer to not only be physically further away from the victim, but also more emotionally separated from why he was the murderous man. I did not do it.
I thought there was no one there to say anything. My story would continue because the only one who was scared by the next revelation was him. he killed his brother solely for selfish purposes shows how truly ruthless he is and how he is concerned only with himself; he may have been angry withhis father or frustrated with the rules or limits his parents set, so he thought that if he eliminated them his problems would go away. He may have believed that his life would be better on his own, but he probably didn't think about the long-term consequences of his actions.
He might have been afraid that, if his brothers were alive, they might point fingers. him or remember the fights Nick had with his father, which would reveal his guilt, so he felt he had to kill everyone. That's the only real move you're showing right now. You should feel at least a little better. I need to know where the gun is. although we can't have it out there, it's a short way, I don't explain the whole map or whatever, you might have to take us there, I'm sure it's fine, it's a sentence, maybe it's in the bushes, can you point out where it is .
If the detective asks Nick to take him to the location where he abandoned the murder weapon, which is the final step of the reading technique, it is vitally important to support the veracity of the confession with independent corroborating evidence, such as revealing key facts of the crime that only being known by the perpetrator to provide critical evidence such as the murder weapon is extremely useful in sealing a conviction. This is what I mean, there is a reason, there is always a reason why you don't want the world to think that dinner forever, your brothers ever woke up.
Were they awake? Do you remember where you shot your father? He wasn't there in his body and then what about your mother? Your brother too. So why did you do that? Your friends who know, yeah, is there anything else you can do? he adds, do you think so, whatever you need, no, I don't want to, I mean, about you, I mean, obviously, you're sorry about this right now. I can see that's the only time I've seen movement that I wasn't trying to deal with. You're bad, yeah, I hope you respect, I have a job to do, okay, you need something to drink, I'm just going to take the handcuffs off, you'll be fine, just knock on the door right out there, if you need me, it's hard to tell. but it seems like Nick breathes a sigh of relief once the detective is gone, the detective returns to clear up Nick's history with him while other officers are checking the place where he said he left the murder weapon just so I got it right, ha been insisting on you.
It started out pretty rough, huh, did it start before the scouting stuff or something? I mean, he's always been harder on you than the other kids or I think maybe he's biased, but he's always been straight since you remember first grade, you know? Going to a friend's house is always a pain, but I guess because I was about to leave the house or something, I want to go to college, he tried to do it even more, right or something. Nick appears to be expressing genuine emotion, although it is unclear whether his tears are for himself or his family at this point, it appears that he is being sincere and cooperative with the detective.
He confessed to the shootings and also provided the location of the gun and, yes, you said you stayed there for a bit. A little bit before everything happened, at least half an hour, I was there, sitting, sleeping, looking around and raising the gun down and this I raised it one more time, I don't know if I pressed it, I mean, I must have pressed the trigger. but I don't know if it was subconscious, I never wanted to do it or there was nothing wrong with a loud ringing, I sat on the couch and waited for a long time breaking down, are you waiting for your mom and siblings to come?
Come down, no I never did and then I remember walking up the stairs to my mother's room, she's sleeping soundly, did you lean on the bed or what? I walked in, they shot me twice, I locked it twice and then you walked into your brother's room and then you shot Craig. I think he should have a place. I'm not sure if we'll sponsor twice. What did you do after that? What happened to the jewelry in the next box? I open the jewelry box, throw something out, and move the Xbox a little. Did you notice how many neighbors were turning on their lights or someone was outside?
Things will come out later, you'll see things, so what happens now? Well, we have to contact your grandfather. So we're just waiting as soon as they know. What do you want us to tell your grandfather or your aunt? What would I say? Okay, we have to take care of some of that stuff, right downtown, but I'm going to be. in the government bathroom water candy cookies skim soda or something like a nice coat pepsi whatever kills the cream cheese thank you the detective brings a naked jumpsuit to change into and picks up his clothes the detective has continued to treat nick with kindness and respect Even though he admitted to killing his entire family now that Nick has put on a jumpsuit, he's probably really coming to grips with what's about to happen after the interview ended with Nick confessing that he was accused of four counts of first-degree murder, which may come as a surprise to Importantly, shortly after the trial began, Nick's relatives, including his grandparents, aunts and uncles, began writing letters to the court asking for leniency.
His maternal grandfather even backed up Nick's accusations that he suffered physical and mental abuse for most of his life. life regardless of whether these abuse allegations were true or not, as they have never been corroborated. Nick accepted a plea deal in January 2009. He pleaded guilty to all four counts of first-degree murder and was sentenced to four life sentences for this. Today it is still up for debate whether Nick committed the murders suddenly as he claimed or whether he had been planning them for a long time, as authorities believe that either way two of Nick's life sentences will be served consecutively, meaning he will be eligible for parole in 2031 after serving 23 years;
However, Nick's chances of receiving parole may be slim because in Maryland parole for a life sentence must be approved by the governor and that has not happened since 1994.
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