Cameron’s Trump visit will have 'negative consequences’ for Ukraine | Dominic Lawson

Trump is extraordinarily meteoric, so he can say three different things before breakfast, but the fact is that he has a political vision that is, obviously, he wants to do as much damage to Biden as possible, and that basically involves a complete use of Republican forces in the camera to stop him from doing what he wants and it is intensely transactional and the idea that David Cameron would get him to change his mind is strictly a bird thing and we are joined this morning by the Sunday Times columnist. Dominic Lawson and former Labor MP and then independent Dame Louise Elman there is a lot to talk about.

Let's examine Foreign Secretary David Cameron's trip to Donald Trump's Mar Laggo complex and then to Washington DC. Can he move the former and perhaps future president? uh to support Ukraine, uh, David Cameron is also meeting his American counterpart, Anthony Blinkin, today, what can they do about Gaza while the Labor Party has found a new way to make money? It's a bit like his old suggestion of picking nominees' pockets. Let's close some loopholes, but are his plans for him realistic and are our table manners still worth worrying about? Well, good morning, Dominic, good morning, oh, can you hear us?

I can hear you, good morning and good morning, Dame Louise, good morning, let's get started. It began with a big trip by Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron to the United States. Now he was originally scheduled only to meet with members of the Biden administration, but then took a Thousand Mile detour to pay tribute at Donald Trump's courthouse, meeting the former and perhaps future. president for dinner yesterday at Trump's estate in Maral Lago, Florida, now David Cameron wants to persuade Donald Trump to support Ukraine. Many Republicans in Congress are very opposed to sending billions of dollars to help fight the war in Russia, but they might change their minds if Donald Trump tells them first Adam spoke with Caitlyn Dor, his boss, she is a reporter for Washington for the New York Times, told us that David Cameron had a task ahead of him, but that this meeting could be a first step, it was a tough sell.

Honestly, I was a little surprised to see that Trump had agreed to a meeting. I mean, David Cameron really wants to meet with House Speaker Mike Johnson, and that's not very clear at the moment, so I think the fact that Trump agreed to a meeting. The invitation to speak to David Cameron is very helpful, so Dominic, I'll come and see you first. I mean, what do you think about David Cameron's trip about him going to see Donald Trump and then of course he has a great job? What to do with the Biden administration in terms of Gaza, do you think he is going to persuade Don Donald Trump to change his mind on Ukraine?

No, and I don't think anyone you've talked to would say there's the slightest chance, although of course Trump is extraordinarily meteoric, so he can say three different things before breakfast, but the fact is that he has a political vision, which is that he obviously wants to do as much damage to Biden as possible, and that's basically It involves the full use of Republican forces in the House to stop him from doing whatever he wants and it's intensely transactional and the idea that David Cameron would change his mind It's strictly for the birds and I don't know if you.

I've touched on this before, but you might remember that a couple of months ago he wrote an article for The Hill, which was the Congressional newspaper of record, where he basically said to Republicans, "If you don't do this, you're really going to be like the appeasers." of Hitler and I thought, it was amazing that you thought that upgrading it in this way, Lord Cameron, of removing Norton's chip, upgrading it in this way would

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any other effect, but I mean, I don't want to be cynical, but I think it has very little time in this office he's establishing his own legacy he's running his own campaign to establish his own legacy um and this is what it's all about in my opinion well we just got some breaking news. uh a murder investigation was launched from the Metropolitan Police after a woman was found dead in her home with stab wounds in Baywater uh in London uh I

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provide you with all the information on this developing story as we understand it and let's move on now to uh the main story on the front of the times today this is uh the issue of the nominees uh Rachel Reeves is saying she can close the loopholes that the conservatives have left in their movement against the nominees uh , uh, Finance, uh, the Labor Party's spending plans, um, how's work?

If we are to pay for these extra spending promises, the answer used to be to abolish non-donor tax status, then Conservative chancellor Jeremy Hunt said he was going to do the same, so what happens now? This morning I spoke to James Murray, shadow financial secretary at James Murray's Labour. Treasury, it's not about raising any taxes, it's about making sure people pay the tax they should pay when you're talking about hmlc compliance, um, that money would be raised over the course of the next Parliament, about double what that we would really need for our commitments in the NHS uh Dentistry breakfast clubs uh but that's why we are sure that there is money in the plans that we set up to fund those commitments that we have already made let's go to Louise Elman are you convinced of this?

Do you think that? A small magical money tree has been found in these lagoons. Well, I think Rachel is being pretty realistic and isn't promising a massive transformation from this, but she does say that she could focus additional funds on specific areas that

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make a big impact. difference for a lot of people and like free breakfast clubs for elementary school kids a lot of kids go to school hungry an expansion that would help a lot of people won't change the world but it will change things for those people and also better funding for healthcare emergency again, it helps the people who receive it, it will not transform everything and I think you are right to do that by focusing on specifics, not promising massive change, but focusing on change where it can be achieved and of course, She's not just talking.

Regarding the DET detail of the non-donor tax that has already been announced by this government, they have looked at the details to see where it can be changed, but they are also talking about tax evasion and doing something about it, so I think that in "In the circumstances in which we find ourselves in such a dire financial situation, it is the right approach. It does not promise the world, it focuses on where money can be found and directs it to very specific issues that will affect a large number of people, even if cannot be achieved." It won't change their entire lives.

I have to say that we have had several listeners message us saying how can unions lecture about the money they are going to collect from tax evasion when their deputy leader is not transparent about their own issues and positions. accused of evading taxes, well this seems a lot like a smear campaign to me, it has been going on for a long time and it seems that when accusations are made they are not proven, then a new story emerges on the same topic, but Actually, this It is an issue that concerns the relevant authorities and if something has been done wrong, it is up to the relevant tax authorities or the law enforcement authorities to investigate as they are actually analyzing and taking action where appropriate, but I think what is being attempted now It is a political solution. defamation and the new angle on this today which does not really add substance but is a matter of investigation by the responsible authorities but you say that it has not been proven that the deputy leader avoided paying taxes on the sale of a house.

The problem is that it hasn't dissipated either. Would you like to see her present the evidence she claims to have for the advice she received? I think what she said about it is pretty accurate if everyone is going to present all the advice they want. I've had everyone in politics, um, including the government, so that's a new way of doing things and that's fine, otherwise what will that achieve? I suspect anything I say will open up new issues and the advice people get is advice and everyone knows that you seek professional advice if you have a problem you are looking at and usually the advice suggests possibilities in one way or another, very It's rarely absolutely definitive, maybe it is, but if everyone is going to have to show their tax advice then I agree that it should be done, but I think this is really an attempt to have a story that goes on and on. and continue and I believe that it can only be resolved when the appropriate authorities decide if action is necessary or if no action is necessary.

Dominic Lawson, what do you think? This Angela Rea story is not a story or do you think there is more that looks good? I think, like Adam said, it's strange that she didn't post the advice she says she received because of the way this advice went. no advice was given at the time of the transactions which some people think was advice she only took the advice after the story broke and she says the advice is clear and now Dan Needle who is the kind of leading expert on this and that the way he was the man responsible for bringing to light the Nadim zahari situation uh tax u r um that cost him his job um Dan Needle says it's very clear to him and his entire career. has been engaged in this form of tax advice, he said it is very clear to him that tax that should have been paid has not been paid now is a very small amount, he said around £1,500, but still I think the point was raised that if you, as a party, say that we are campaigning for the eradication of loopholes and taxes Evitación and its deputy leader, Prim AA, violates those laws, you have a problem and I do not agree with Louisan that that is not a story that one of our listeners sent a message saying that if everyone in the country did something, 500 taxes to dodge, then that would fund education or defense for a year.

I mean, Dame Louise is not the difficulty with this story for Labor work and K Starmer is positioning herself as you know, as the country's former chief prosecutor. Saying that we know that we stand for integrity, we have to be ruthlessly transparent in everything, doesn't it seem a little strange that Angela Rea does not publish the advice and even K Starma, who is a very distinguished lawyer, has not seen the advice? I don't think it's strange. I think if everyone posted, everyone in politics posted all the advice they had, that would be fine, but you know, if someone is trying to maintain a story even if they're not. have real substance and the advice that is received can then be debated and discussed, there could be a different advisor who has different advice and you can still go on and on if the goal is to have a smear and go back to what I said at the beginning, if there is a problem, the relevant authorities have to examine it closely and take action.

In fact, they are examining it. And Dominic has just spoken to you again about the Labor Party's idea of ​​closing these loopholes in non-dom politics. which was a kind of theft by the conservative party, what do you think of this idea of ​​workers finding more money? Well, I mean, of course, because Jeremy Hunt shot up his Fox, that was upsetting for them and particularly because of the previous status of akat mty, the Prime Minister's wife, they will want this to remain an election issue even though The amount involved that they say they would save is not something you will actually notice, it is very small.

I would say one thing. Just to defend the honor of Lawson, who was actually my father when he was chancellor, I wanted to eradicate the nominee status. Margaret Thatcher blocked it and Jeremy Hunt told me that, in fact, that's where she got the idea from, but of course it has the appearance of adopting Labor policies, and parties do this now all the time talking about the honor of the law since his father and law, the former chancellor, was told in Rachel Reeves' recent major economic speech that he was wrong and found it quite surprising that the economist she pointed to as her model was a former Cambridge economist called Joan Robinson.

What's wrong with Joan Robinson? Well, what surprised me was that you cited Jan Robinson as someone who understood that. The purpose of economics was not some kind of abstract theorizing but morality. The principle of the good life, uh, and Jan Robinson was the leading proponent of marm in this country. She supported the Great Leap fraud, which was actually the collectivization of agriculture, which caused, as historians now estimate, the famine of 50 million Chinese and J Ron was quite angry and said that she was quite angry when there was certain relaxation in this policy and also supported the cultural revolution, um, that actually viewers of the three-body problem would see my screen now as aKind of semi-fictional story. but it was the most astonishing outbreak of barbarism and she supported all of this, she never told about it and I actually don't think Rachel Ree knew any of this, I don't think her investigators knew any of this and I think it shows, I'm afraid, the regrettable lack of historical perspective and knowledge about well-being on the part of so many politicians today.

R presents himself as one of the great brains of the Labor Party. Do you think that's what Dominic Lawson's Fair Louise Elman is? I think Rachel re She's addressing the issue very well, in fact she just understands very clearly the large amounts of money available. she's determined to make changes wants to be cautious she's pointing out exactly ex L where funding can be found very specific policies I think it's absolutely the right thing but why pra de ma why prais and Mau in an important economic speech well, I think she has to say why she made that quote.

I think she was looking at the economist and not looking at other points of view that person may well have had; she was looking at the economist and the points of view, much more. To come to our panel just read some messages that we have been getting John's message and saying that there is a bigger problem than just the £1,500 for Angela Raina if you don't live in the council house you bought for 5 years. before you sell it, you lose some of the discount, um, that's a much larger sum. Simon at the Liverpool post says: I'd love to see the Prime Minister's wife abundant tax advice publish a non-story and, uh, Peter at the Oxford post says it's pathetic that the Tories are so desperate to smear Angela REO for such a small amount of money when she wasn't even an MP but no one talks about the total corruption and lies about the PPE scams and Nadim zaha tried to avoid millions of pounds in tax payments. that's a message from Peter, keep your comments coming, you can text 87 treble to start your message with the word times, you can tweet us at times radio or you can WhatsApp us at o303 2353 uh you're listening to breakfast on times radio with Adam Bolton and Aisha, in association with Nationwide, are a great way to have Jane Garvey and be Glover on Times Radio.

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For France 24 earlier, apparently there are about 27 million GP appointments missed every year and that's why this Prime Minister Gabriel wants a 5 hour fine if people don't show up or come within 24 hours 24 hours before canceling. your quotes there is an interesting phenomenon that both the UK and France have is that they have aging populations and they also have a problem, whereas in France of Des medical, which is a medical desert where the availability of GPS in certain counties call them and leave is not sufficient. Don't know. I went to see a GP in France last year. Excellent service, but it cost me 50 pence, only €50 for the appointment alone.

Alright. 50 just for the appointment. So um 5 EUR for missing, it seems like a It's a bargain, but I mean it's the principle that remains, uh Louis Elman, a lot of people have to queue to see their GP and sometimes wait for whole weeks . Would it be a good idea to find the people who aren't showing up? I don't like this idea at all and I don't like the principle. I am concerned that there are vulnerable people who are very worried and then don't try to make an appointment because they are worried that they might be. too sick to go and people behave in a way that is very worrying when they are distressed, so I don't like this idea at all, but I think a lot needs to change in the whole system, the appointments that people have very slight. using technical systems to schedule appointments and some people just want to talk to a human to help them do that, but no, I don't like the idea of ​​fines.

I think it's arbitrary and I think the vulnerable could suffer from it. Dominic Lawson. Are you finding it difficult to get an appointment? Would this help those people who really need it? I actually agree with Louise on this and I think when you think about how outrageously difficult it is to get a date, it adds insult to injury. In a way, I don't want to digress too much, but it's very interesting because we saw the new Irish president, uh leader, talking about how he wanted a United Ireland and one of the things that's not mentioned in this is that, of course, in Ireland they have Same as you found in France Adam you pay around €60 for a GP appointment and in Northern Ireland they don't of course it's free on the NHS and I've always thought the only reason why there would never be reunification is because the people of northern Iran, including Catholics, would not want to go to a system where they had to pay 50 to see their GP, and I agree, and in any case, a small fine, the bureaucratic and administrative costs of running them would probably exceed any income they can make, so I think it's a complete failure.

I mean Sim Simon Harris, the new shirt, to be fair to him, is going to be swallowed up today. He said that United Island was not his priority, maybe that's one of the reasons. Why well, I think so, he has other things on his plate, but he said anyway that it was an aspiration of theirs. The issue was a matter of timing, but as I said, I think this is probably something that is never mentioned, but I think it is the main reason why it is very unlikely to happen, do you have any positive suggestions on how it can be facilitated that people access a family doctor?

Well, I guess what I mean is that we now have the ability to see. rgps through the device I'm looking at you Adam and that actually I think in many cases makes it easier, but it's a very controversial topic, but I think you know clearly that everything has changed. from the days when the GPS came to visit you at your house and I remember when I first moved here in Darker Sussex the GPS came to visit you at your house, it was an amazing and wonderful thing, it just doesn't happen anymore where we live. A different society and one that I suppose many of us regret has changed in the way it has.

Sam from Nottingham has a message saying I called at 8am to cancel my 1pm appointment. 1 hour and 25 minutes later and I still can't understand um D Louise before leaving this topic alone with Adam's point about what could be done to make people value their appointments more and attend more because you talk to NHS people and you see the missed appointments. dating, particularly with GPS, is a real problem. One idea I've had is that people should be told how much their treatment would cost if done privately, so they know they have this GP appointment. This is worth £50. or £60 just so you don't, do you think that might motivate people to keep your appointments?

I'm not sure that really makes a big difference to people. I'm not sure they're thinking that way, but I think these people need to be reminded that dates are valuable, that other people want them, and if they don't need the date they should say so, but in many cases people do. those appointments and want to go, and there are genuine reasons why people can't make it and of course people don't always have to look at their GPS, it depends on what the problem is, there may be other doctors who can treat your problem too , but I think it should be made easier, no.

It's harder for people to get proper medical care when they need it and talk to a human being, not just have to use technology to do so. Now let's move on to our final topic. We've had a lot of traffic. If you'll pardon the pun on this topic today and it's about parking your car, parking your car is getting harder or cars are getting bigger or parked bees are getting smaller, we spoke to Ben Clatworthy earlier, he is our transport correspondent since the times when he In fact, cars are said to be getting bigger and it means that a new study found that engines are only on average about 30 cm, which is the size of a standard box, between the side of their car and the edge of the parking lot and a fifth of correspondents also claimed that they are so cramped that they have resorted to climbing into their car through the trunk at least once.

Dominic, what do you think of this enigma? Yeah, that made me laugh thinking that 20% of the population brsh get in their car. through his boots I haven't seen it but I believe it um um uh well, I mean, I think if you think about it, the mini uh, the so-called mini uh, now, according to the history of the time, it is 34 cm wider what was. when it started, it shouldn't be called a mini, it's ridiculous, and of course, I think Ian must be serious, there are reasons because, um, cars are lighter, they use much lighter materials, so they can consume relatively less fuel .

Being physically much larger, the paradox is that it always intrigues me that our houses are getting smaller while our cars are getting bigger and apparently our new build living rooms are now about 30% smaller than in 1970 and I think we will get to the stage now where people's cars will be as big as their living rooms and they might as well live in their cars. I love that you are so right about houses and the new bills. I was having that discussion apparently like the new bills are getting smaller and smaller and there's almost no storage space which is a real problem for families um.

Dame Louise, what's your parking? Do you find it easy to navigate a parking space o o o o Do you agree with this, this survey? Well, I haven't had recent personal experience with this. Now I don't drive and use public transport, but clearly people need to use cars, they need to be able to park and if this is the problem, spaces need to be filled. taken into account, but let's make public transport work better, not instead of allowing people to park, but let's make sure that the buses that are now under the control of local authorities work much better, that the trains work better and that transport can be integrated so that people can get around without having to squeeze into those small parking spaces and one last question for you, Dominic, can you resolve a sort of argument that Adam has been having with the British public: is it better when you?

You are in a parking space to enter nose first or back into the parking space, which is correct? Strictly speaking, you should back off, but I think I go nose first because I tend to be right, so, but I realize when I look later, I look towards the train station and I see that I'm one of the few who knows who I am first. the oppressed minority. It must be said that we have a listener who tells us that all vehiclesmilitary and security are necessary to turn back and leave for a quick getaway. It is easier to reverse into a tight space than to enter due to the front wheel steering.

It is also safer to exit a space than to back into traffic. All I'm saying, what do you have four? -wheel drive, yes, I do, I do so that the first of those arguments does not apply. uh Callum just sent a message. I'm sure it's not Callum McDonald. I'm sure he's another Callum. He says people are bigger too, so spaces will. um, I need to go to the US and go grocery shopping. I mean, maybe that's something as we all grow up. I mean, we have an obesity problem, maybe everything will get bigger and think about it.

ASA, here's the problem problem if we get bigger and bigger, it's even harder for us to fit our burly physiques into the small opening between the cars and we might actually die in this position, well I have visions of people who They don't make it by trying to move through their boots. I have to confess that sometimes I have had to get in through the trunk or the passenger door to be able to drive because people park so close that you see in these little spaces, honestly Adam, I actually went in through the trunk. Yes, okay.

We need Angie Hunter. If you're listening, we need footage of this. We have to have footage of Adam Bolton very elegantly getting into his car, look, that's it for this morning's panel. My huge thanks to Mrs Louise Elman and Dominic Lawson, it was a really excellent talk.