WTF with Marc Maron - Conan O'Brien Interview

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I'm sitting naked in a hotel room in Madison, Wisconsin. I spent the day at the Capitol hanging out with the protesters, kind of getting attention. the energy watching democracy in action people fighting for what they believe is right fighting for their future union workers people supported union workers these are public jobs state workers nurses social workers teachers everyone simply wants the right to function as a union in a democratic society to be able to have the right to collectively negotiate their pensions, their jobs, when the state imposes layoffs, what happens to those workers, how they are treated, it is incredible to see that this is my job, my job includes me sitting in a hotel room. naked, but I'm certainly not as naked as the anger and despair I see today in the state capitol in terms of what unions are fighting for.

It's complicated, it's difficult, but basically it's about protecting the rights of young people to have their rights. protected pensions and it's that important among other things I think it's important I mean like in the example yesterday I made a mess in my hotel room I spilled some coffee it was a mess in the bathroom because that's where the coffee maker is I felt when I go out into the hallway about to leave I see a maid and I said look I'm sorry, I'm sorry there's a disaster in there she goes look nothing is going to surprise me I was a nurse, an emergency nurse for 30 years I've seen all the messes that a being human can do in the worst possible way.

I've seen it, you're not going to surprise me, honey, and then I thought for a second, is she challenging me? I mean, I can make a bigger mess. It's a mess, but then on a deeper level I thought, Holy cow, why was a woman in her 60s who was an ER nurse for 30 years cleaning my hotel room? What kind of country is this? I don't know her backstory, but if this was a decent country. a woman in her 60s who had done a noble job like being an ER nurse for 30 years saving lives wouldn't be cleaning up my coffee mess.

I felt ashamed, this is my job. I have fought for my job at some level I have fought for. the right to sit naked in a hotel room in the middle of the day and prepare for a couple of shows tonight. I've dedicated almost half my life to being able to attract people to come see what I do and it's starting to happen. It's only been 25 years, let me mention that today is a special day because today our guest is Conan O'Brien, who obviously also fought for his job and made some difficult decisions in his life and to be honest, he didn't I did it.

I knew if he was going to keep his promise and come to my program. He promised it in front of you, in front of America, he said he would come to my garage. I really thought he would end up going to his office and sitting me down. with this team that I bought here in Madison and you know, I just got what I get, but he's a man of his word and he came to my garage and sat with me and I always assumed that I knew the guy, but You know, I assume that a lot with my guests and sometimes I am not right and sometimes it is very difficult for me to let go of my assumptions.

I want them to be who I think they are and that's not always the case no matter what. I put a lot of pressure on him, but that wasn't the case with Conan. I always knew he was a sensitive guy. I always knew he was a hard-working guy. I always knew he was very hard on himself, but he is a very decent human being. He has a lot. of personal integrity and it was great to talk to him and I feel very close to him because I feel like we kind of came together, I mean, it took me 25 selling tickets in this business to get a job.

Regularly in my business it's taken me a long time to find my voice in this world of comedy and what I'm doing now in the entertainment business or whatever you want to call it. I fought a lot. I have gotten it broken many times. I've been desperate, but I didn't know what else to do, so I held on and at the beginning, when Conan was first, he was under fire, he was uncomfortable and he was having a hard time finding his legs on the television. camera with his own voice and I was one of the original guests at a Comic Con, you know, in that first year of the Conan O'Brien show on NBC and he had me three or four times a year for the entire run and I felt Being around him I felt grateful and then I went to meet with the head of Conan's production company on some other matter and went to the new set of the new show.

I saw all the seniors from the old show. I really had to almost hold back tears because he was connected to these people. I had been doing that chauffeured thing for so many years and I missed it. I hadn't seen any of them in about a year during the entire Tonight Show. I was surprised by how excited I got and then when they asked me to do the new show, when I got there I was ecstatic in a way that it wasn't just about doing television, but I felt like I was back to the way I was. a reunion of some kind and Andy was there and I felt like I was among friends and again I had to hold back tears before going on air it was great it was like being with old friends and Conan said he would come on the show and he came to the show and it was great and we just hung out and talked and you're going to hear that now and it was weird because I sit close to the guy and you know, we chatted a little bit before. we went into the garage in the kitchen, then we did the

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and then we had this long talk and then we came back to my house in the dining room and we chatted and you know, he came over after taping the show.

It was 7:00 at night and there was this weird awkward moment where we were talking and we were standing there and in my mind it was like the holy Conan O'Brien was in my house, what do I do now? What happens now? As? How long is this going to continue? I literally felt a little uncomfortable and, you know, I thanked him and I had some coffee, so I just had a cup of coffee and I said goodbye and I was excited that we could do that and for the The way the coffee cooperative It's here in Madison, Wisconsin.

I went there today and spent some time in the warehouse looking at the machinery. What a great operation, so let's go to the coffee cooperative and now let's go to the garage and listen. Conan O'Brien and I have to be honest with you. I was a little late to Arcade Fire but when I found them I thought they were amazing. Someone tweeted that I missed the party. I don't need a party if I'm at a party I don't know if I really like it or if I'm just subject to groupthink. I was happy to find Arcade Fire later at the party and you know what Arcade Fire records they merged when I got my package and stuff. merge records I was like it was Christmas I had no idea they had such good music Superchunk, are you kidding me?

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Superchunk are geniuses from Rock Arcade Fire merge records what a great sponsor you know what I know I love this program merge records calm down slash store WTF that's the code 20% off well I have to follow the rules in my garage it's Conan O 'Brien uh yes I am, I'm a little nervous Raisa, well you know I've known you for a long time. I've done your show a lot, people often assume that we're best friends or we're friends because I'm on the show a lot, but we don't really have a relationship off screen, do we, that I know of?

I mean, unless I've been at a dinner party and I didn't remember you, girlfriend, this is all the time and I've seen it right away, yeah, you know, it's funny because I've had the same thing, uh, you know, for years , I mean, thousands of hours and people come and there are certain people, you are one of the ones that come, you come a lot and we talk and we get to know each other. I get into this nice zone that can last 11 or 12 minutes and then we've done that. so much over the years and then you know we didn't go outside of the program.

I don't really hang out with you, you know, I have a lot of comedy friends like rats. I never did, how the hell can you have time, yeah? I know I would just do the show, but even when I had time I would, yeah, I would just go home and sulk a little bit and yeah, I would eat cheese popcorn and we know exactly that, so this isn't it. It's good that we finally meet here. The interesting thing is that it won't surprise you because I think you have an idea of ​​how my brain works. I just read the book about the war later. addicted to the night, literally, out of concern for you, like I'm like, why did he happen?

He was really concerned about a crime novel, right, but now I have a very egocentric view of show business, when you were hosting the Tonight Show? he was assigned for some time in the future and when, when, when, when everything fell apart. I literally had a moment where I thought, well, I wonder if Conan knows it was so hard for me to do it, ha ha ha ha, you know. what was it almost almost decided to stay for that right I don't know what the hell prepared you to deal with even though the first wave of things this is always something I've been obsessed with you is where do you have the 42 to deal with it you know what that I've found over the years and it's going to sound like I'm making a joke and no, you can bet no, no, well, it's okay because this doesn't pay.

Okay, this is the serious

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because no one pays for the funny stuff, but I swear to God this is true. Get yourself into situations where you have no other choice and I really think that's the definition of accomplishing a lot in this. in life like me I have a part of myself because I am not a brave person. I don't even consider myself someone who has a lot of guts, but I get into situations where the house is on fire. There's only one exit and that's through the front door and then people give you credit for going through the front door and you're like, well, there really wasn't anywhere else to go.

I mean, there were no rights in '93 when I replaced David Letterman completely. darkness I got into a situation. I was very aware that man, this is a serious situation I'm in and the only way out was to survive, that's the only way out because if I had, they would have taken me off the air after six months. I would just turn into a Trivial Pursuit question but I would also survive, but do your job, I mean, I excel at it, I mean, when I really think, for some reason, I become obsessed with Harvard, you know, because I saw the social network and is there some kind of secret wisdom no god no good first of all Harvard did you see the social network it doesn't exist it doesn't exist no yes no women it doesn't seem like I earn what I was saying no, you know I mean, I watched that movie and I thought I don't know where was.

It's clearly a different time, but there are a lot of amazing looking supermodels, yes, walking around taking off their underwear and giving guys a ride on the bus, apparently, yes, on the bus. there are guys with headphones now it's possible they existed somewhere but no one I know ever saw anyone we all had cold sores and diphtheria and it was cold and we had shitty clothes and scarves and the guys looked horrible the women looked like you I know Emily Dickinson after a bicycle accident, I mean, it was a farce, it was all one and we all survived, it was always gray and they were destroying the subway the whole time I was at Harvard every year, I was there from '81 to '84 because I was there then, yeah, I was at Boston University, it's across the river from '81.

I heard Hotel, uh, yeah, but it's but, but you know, they're the whole place. It was under construction the entire time I was there, but there's nothing like I want to demystify Harvard. I mean, so what is this idea that there's some kind of Harvard camp? Within comedy it's just because relationships are built. There is no kind of secret like this. the puzzle of the secret comedy no, there is a first of all, there is a puzzle of theThey work in show business they've been through some tough times, right, it can go well for a while and then it can get nasty, the teardown can get really ugly and then I don't know what I was very aware of that, I saw this coming, no, uh and it took me a while to process it and I still think I'm still processing some of it but I'm a big kid and I understand that you know it's complicated and what I'm trying to avoid is that thing where you have a story in your head that it's a very clean rock quartet, you know, um, you know, I think too many people can be more means that I have yes exactly or you know and I think there are too many people who come up with a story as much as a defense mechanism , a survival mechanism, a very simple story where they are the hero and then they set it up and then that's in their head for the rest of their lives and they don't learn anything and I You know, I'm trying really hard not to do that in the darkest moments of everything.

I mean, you know? Where did your brain go? I mean, wait, all that, all that, I mean, now there are certain things. You know, I read that I was reading an article by Malcolm Gladwell and he was talking and I wish I could remember the name of what he called a crawling thing, crawling determinism, I think, and basically what he was saying is that after an event. You watch a soccer game and your team loses because they try it on fourth down. You know, later you convince yourself that you knew that was a mistake. Go for it on fourth down, right?

I mean, yeah, you create that story in your head, whereas if you can actually go back to that moment, it's a great idea if it works, so there's a quality that you can sometimes get afterwards where you can see that I knew this would happen or I had suspicions. that this would happen or and a lot of people do that and you probably know that in the bill book there is a lot of progressive determinism where people say after the fact that they knew that if I had just done X Y & Z it wouldn't have happened, but basically it won't happen .

Read it no, I won't read it, no, I mean, I've had a few. I have a lot of people around me that I really trust and they read it and said, you know, are you mad at me for reading it? no again. About you, no, no, I know they are all my parents. I went home for Christmas and my parents liked that we were reading the book and they were acting like it wasn't this. You're going to love it. We are reading it and we are. I'm almost done, you know, I just thought it was for them, they just didn't quite understand, I don't even want to see it, you know, but what's your fear?

I'm not afraid, it's just that it was painful to go through and I don't want to, I felt that pain for you, yes, I know I don't want to and you know, that's the thing, now I see how it all plays out and a lot of people say that you came out better. or it has worked well for you and I tell you that you know at the time when things were really difficult I had no idea that everything could work I didn't know what was going to happen I didn't know if I would ever appear on television again.

I didn't know if I was going to get a nickel. I didn't know I had no idea, but again, what I have and have had my whole life is that I get a feeling of the right thing, what I have to do and I do it and I don't obsess about it, you know, when I finally decide what to do. I'm going to do it, I do it and I move on, and then I'm pretty sure that somehow it's going to work, but in those darkest moments, were you waking up sitting there, reassuring yourself? I'm, I'm what I did or you were actually like you know I'm going to spend a year in Europe, I mean you. you know like his poise or a plan B in your head no, you know, that's the funny thing is that tour took you out of you you got me there it's really good for me I needed to work on things and I needed to work on things in front of people we were talking frankly about those things or just letting off steam.

I didn't watch any of the shows and no, there were a lot of no, I wasn't, I wasn't talking. You know, there were people who thought it was going to be like that. be a talk about what had happened, it was really just an excuse to be calm, of course, I thought that you know, yeah, and that touched a lot on that, but actually, but just being in front of people and playing music and doing comedy and me. I lost like 20 pounds on that tour and I didn't sleep and I was very intense and I think I was burning something that was in me that needed to be burned and and you know, when it was over, my wife took a picture of me. when I got home and I weighed like 171 pounds or something, which for me at six and four is really skinny and a little hollow, and you know, I looked like I'd been on meth or something.

I think I was just burning something. that had to be burned, so I was very grateful to be able to do that, but that was something that I improvised on the last show, the last Tonight Show playing with Will Ferrell playing Freebird, but also the excitement of like I said before when you do live comedy and you give it your all and really get into the present, get out of your head, yeah, you're tasked with entertaining him, probably in a way you hadn't before you knew what it was. It was different, it was a different mash and I've always thought that my whole career started with just oh, you're a writer and you're in a back room and then you're there and you have nothing. contact with the actors and then I eventually evolved: okay, you're a writer and you work with the actors on a live show called Live Sarah and occasionally you can be in something and then I branched out more into the Simpsons and myself.

I was determined not to stray any further. I have to get closer to this thing I really want to do. I just have to figure out how to do it and what it is, and then do the actual late night show. It got me closer to vaudeville, but not close enough and then my tour took me to vaudeville and I think I always wanted to go back to vaudeville to come back. You know, I liked him. I liked playing in old theaters. I like it. I like everything about it. I like to enter through the stage door.

I like to thank the team afterwards in each city. We were getting on a bus. We tried to sleep on a bus. You know I had backup singers, but you know we performed backstage, it was showbiz, yeah, and me. I loved it, so I tried to take some of that net spiritual energy and bring it to the new show, which is I just want to do a show like Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland, even in the NBC days. I mean, I loved being there because of how outlandish some of the parts would be. It would be unusual to see a horse.

No, I always wanted to be in the kind of shows where you're backstage and there's a guy dressed as a Nazi smoking. a cigarette, there's a horse, there's a showgirl and there are guys dressed like conjoined twins, if I go out there you know a Gandhi was about to be shot out of a cannon and people backstage and ridiculous costumes yelling at each other angrily is my favorite thing, yes. there's something, there was always that, yeah, I think it feels like that and I think it was definitely a feeling of I don't know, I finally had that experience that I always want to have where you like to run away and come together. the circus, you know, bras, uh, that's for me what that tour was about and, like you said, that got me out of my head, you know, and I really enjoyed it and I almost forgot about everything I'd just been through. .

Then, of course, the problem is that when the tour ended it started to come back to me. Know? So how do you feel now that you know the show you're doing? I really love the show we're doing and I love that. You know, there was a lot of discussion about what parts they can come and do from the previous show. I remember thinking that yeah, that's what doesn't actually do anything from the old show, even if they let me do things from the old show, which could be you. I know I haven't tried it legally. I was like, "Fuck it," I want to, I want to decide, I don't want to make bits for 30 years straight.

You know what I mean, right? We did a lot of things that people really liked the previous show and I think it's okay, but we did it, we did it well and now it's time to try to do something new, so we've imposed on ourselves not to do any of the old show, never from any of the old shows, a lot of them we don't do anything, we just do, we try to think of new things and we try to make it much more immediate, you know, and tonight I work a lot with the crowd and meet people in the the audience does things and you know it used to be that we used to be too smart for that, you know the old show is too smart for that and we're trying to be my everything, no, let's just try to find these real moments, let's do That's interesting, you know , it was too clever, you guys were nervous about that.

We did it in the early days. We had a mission that was on a night program. I didn't want to do anything. I wanted to be completely different. show of what David Letterman had done and we really wanted to be full of cool ideas, who were the minds behind that, you and my captor Smigel owen louis c.k and Dino Dino stamatopoulos and uh, we used to, you know, get as weird as I can get as weird as possible and really try to express it, you know, God, it's that old saying that I love, what God is is in the details and I always thought that the really great comedy that I admired like SCTV G had so many nuanced details. . there and I thought that's what we want to do and we want to make the show, I want people who watch it to think I can't believe they went to all this trouble, so what happens is you do that for a long time.

We did it and I think we're in a different era now, you know, I did it and I got over it and then over time you start to realize that I'm probably not like that. guy anywhere, it's up to someone else to do that really weird thing you spent 17 hours doing right and it's only on TV for 15 seconds. I don't think I have that in me anymore. Now I have something different and I have it. you know we own what else exactly, but it's also like you can't. I always think the best analogy is probably a pitcher, you know, you can't be 55 years old and he's dazzling people with your fastball, but you learn to throw all kinds of weird crap, yeah, and you can still win the game now. same.

This expansion of the show in the sense that I imagine has to do with two things that you know, the experience of hosting the Tonight Show and the strangeness? The pressures that came with that, but also the experience of realizing that you have a fan base that you know are passionate, they're young, they showed up for you on the road, yeah, they showed up in a human way, right? I owe them the humanity you are showing now. It's a very good question. I feel like, um, I think some of it isn't so much because I owe it to them.

I'm a guy who really wants. I will walk on hot coals for the people. who have tolerated my comedy and I really appreciate people who come up to me anywhere and tell me I saw X Y or Z that you made over the years. I feel a really strong connection with them, but I think that's it. So the point I'm at in my life, which is, you know, I took everything, the way the Tonight Show ended was that everyone knew the story, it was a very human situation and I think I allowed it to be a human situation. and I think I realized that that opened me up to that it's okay for you to know that people can know that I'm disappointed, as long as it's not self-pitying and as long as we try to make it fun instead of a business. situation, yeah, exactly, I felt like I could be honest with people and I think some of the things I talked about on the last show tonight resonated with people and it was honest and it felt good, well, let's get on with it, let's keep going. trying to let people in, let people in a little bit and, along the way, let them in and I don't want to exploit anything that's happened to me, but I want to try to turn it into comedy.

That way, and the other thing I also learned is that it wasn't all so much pressure on me at the beginning of my career. I felt like everything had to be fun all the time and now I'm less like that. I don't think it's realistic and I think it's also, you know, it's hard to watch when someone you know lets there be moments, lets things drag on, lets the things you know find the good things and you have to do that too, You have some wisdom. you've been through something, yeah, you're more emotionally available, right, you know you don't have to be, you know, agitated and afraid anymore, yeah, so I mean you know it makes sense to learn to communicate that way, like did.

I mean, do you look back at your biggest influences? I mean, you know in terms of show business, well, I think you know when we were growing up. I mean, when you and I grew up together in that cabin, sure, Walden. Yeah, I mean, I was very influenced by a lot of people, but you know Carson was in it, it was like the only game in town. I remember thinking, you know, he looks at those laughs. I watch with my dad, yes, and uh, but any important father. He laughs, he made my dad laugh. I remember thinking, you know you're really interested when I was a kid like for me, it was really important to know who's making my dad do it, yeah, I could, yeah, but I remember thinking, "Okay, this was probably my first." hook to see what that guy was doing, I mean, that would be cool and you know, much later, obviously, Letterman was an influence, but I was just a kid growing up, I mean, I was, you know, I rememberthat just my brothers and I were a lot.

I got interested in comedy and so early I sent it live for SCTV. SCTV was huge for me. I remember it really opened the door for me, but I just watched it and the level of you know, it influenced everything so much, it was the closest thing we had. I had to Monty Python, sure, did you study the old talk show hosts? You know Jack Paar Steve and well, I never studied them. I saw them and you know, they all did it very differently, but I always thought that everyone works in their own time. It is very difficult to learn lessons from them.

The medium is so different. The cultures are so different. You know, I never really believed in learning from others. old masters, I mean, basically, I like to keep it very simple, someone makes you laugh. Jonathan Winters and crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, the world makes me laugh. You talk to him. I have never talked with him. weird thing as you know Dan Pasternak knows him the guy I see and I want to have him on the show I was going to go to Santa Barbara to interview him and I got this call on my cell phone it was Jonathan said oh wow and I called him back and I got hysterical.

I mean, he, you know he's, he still has that thing. Did he get an amazing story? You know, I saw him in a restaurant. I mean it's been like six months and I'm not shy, but it was too much, he didn't want to go, I bothered him, yeah, you know, and sometimes when I see these really great comedians that made me laugh when I was a kid, I don't want to bother them, you know, and others later. In I told people about Ice and he said why didn't you approach him and Ice I don't know, he might know that I am and I don't want to bother him and stuff like that, people told me and I should have done it and I.

Don't I feel like there's an aura around someone like that? I saw him in Santa Barbara, in a restaurant, yeah, I didn't want to invade his space, yeah, I think when people made you laugh when you were a kid, you challenge them, oh yeah, and me. I remembered being at Four Seasons in Los Angeles in 1987, yeah, and looking across the room and Don Knotts was sitting there with a very attractive woman and he was, you know, eating a Cobb salad or something and I couldn't believe I mean Tom. Cruise could have been there the next day when I wouldn't have cared about him, right?

Don Knotts Barney if he were Mr. Limpet, it's always amazing, you know, seeing those people is not strange when you see them up close. Do you find that in show business sometimes even when I like if I go on Letterman or even your show? and I'm talking to you like this, yeah, we're just people, but when you're in the lights, things are about to happen when you see them just as people, you're like, oh my gosh, it's just a guy, which is funny. I don't know about you, I understand that if I meet really famous people I become obsessed with you, you know, it's like you just look at your knuckles, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bird was in a situation once where I met a very small dinner party and then before you. I know it like Paul McCartney is there and all I can do is just be looking at his hand like that's the hand that was, you know if Wilton has feet, you know when he met John in 1950, okay, that hand has traveled, yes, exactly, what does it do? you know it's the same knuckle as the onion and then you realize, okay, you have to get back out of that world, the moment you start to get into that world, you have to get out of it.

Michael world, yes, what I and I have. I had the same experience: You know, you see these people, you look like a David Letterman in person and you just know yeah, it hits your nostril, yeah, yeah, you know, okay, just step back, let it go. Have you ever met someone on the show and said, "Oh my God, I can't believe this is happening." Yeah, you definitely have some kind of out-of-body experience and like I said, it's not with people like Brad Pitt or being surprised. I don't have that feeling for my contemporaries, yes, but you know I had it for Richard Harris, so I had it for Andy Griffith when I interviewed him.

You know, there is some kind of way out. body experience where you are looking at someone you watched from a high chair, yes, you look like you throw bologna in a bowl in front of you in the magic box, yes, exactly, and they and now they are with you and none of that . butt and you know what's not real it's all it's all ridiculous it's all show it's all but I mean it's it's good it's magical it's strange and fantastic it's an augmented reality but I think there's if you know if I can't connect with uh you know I'm not a cynical person and I don't still I'm connected to I can't believe we're all here that's how I feel I feel like you know tonight Driving up to your garage I get the feeling it's so strange I met you and sat down , you know, you and I are in 6a in 1993 in front of a mustard-colored set, yeah, making our way through something. facing this, you know, and now here it is almost 20 years later and we are in Los Angeles in this strange magical land.

I've been here and I believe in staying connected to those things as if that's what makes everything better. It's a strange trip I don't know where and I mean, it gets stranger every time I don't know where it's going I don't know, you know, but I want to get a good look at it, you look great, you look great. when you're doing it, you're doing a good job and I'm glad you came, oh, thanks for having me, okay, that's our show. I hope you enjoyed. I want to thank Sonnen O'Brien, what an incredible privilege and treatment it was. having it here I hope you're all okay if you're in Australia I'll be at the Melbourne Melbourne Melbourne Comedy Festival from the 24th to the 12th How's that let's back up?

Isn't that how it works in Australia from 12 to 12? on the 24th of this month on the 8th of this month I will be in Milwaukee at the Turner Ballroom with Eugene Mirman and Kristen Schaal and as always thanks for listening and better yet remember if you go to merge records com slash store this is the label that has Arcade Fire spoon Superchunk destroyer go merge logs calm down slash shop get 20% off with code WTF man what a show that's it okay?