Foxy Brown Vs Lil' Kim: The Story Behind The Beef

Well, what do you say about people who compare you to Kim? It's just that understanding you all are good, very good friends, I take it as a compliment because Kim does her thing, she is the queen bee and I give it to her, she did it. You know, I mean she was doing the above before me, she paved the way, she was the first, but coming out with the little thing, you know what I mean, the sexy thing, she did something and she's doing the his and that's my girl so at the end of the day when all the haters keep barking he said counting millions like how much you got for that remix you got a new plaque on your wall you know what I mean , so it's like, everything's fine, little kim and

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. two female MCs of all time who paved the way for so many female artists and many of those artists have cited them as influences and we can still see it today two people who started out cordial at first but after a while things just weren't the same and that's why I'm here today.

I recently made a video about Little Kim's debut album "Hardcore" and a lot of people liked that video and some even told me that I should make a video about Foxy Brown which I actually wanted to make. a video about his Thumb and Louise project that they were supposed to have together, but that video never materialized, but before I delve further into the video, I would first like to thank you guys for coming to watch this because you could be making a million. other things right now, but instead, you are here with me and I appreciate that if you like the content, you should comment and subscribe to help the channel grow.

Also follow my Instagram, that would be greatly appreciated. Comment below your favorite song. favorite album favorite verse favorite lyric etc. of these two also let me know where you're tuning in from and represent where you're from alright without further ado let's get into the video give a little background on these two and let's get started. With Lil Kim, she got into rapping as she was coming home from her job at Bloomingdale's and Biggie Smalls approached Kim because he heard she knew how to rap, but she thought she was too pretty for that. Kim at that time wasn't really. serious about rapping still and biggie jokingly said that he knew she couldn't rap, he of course said this because he was trying to get her to rap and kim took up the debate and rapped for biggie and that was going on since biggie started bring she would be around and they would place her in junior mafia biggie would be kim's mentor when it came to music, he also helped plan her image and content, telling her to soften her voice as well because lil kim's style and voice were much harsher, especially his small voice.

In fact, Kim would make a couple of appearances on Biggie's debut album, Ready to Die, which was released in September 1994. She appeared on the intro, The Fme Interlude and on the song "Friend of Mine." The following year, in 1995, the group Junior Mafia would release their debut album. conspiracy that spawned hit singles as a gamer anthem and money grab, these singles would actually bring a lot of attention to little Kim due to her outstanding performances on those tracks and how popular they were on the charts. Little Kim was supposed to be the first one out of junior. mafia is releasing a solo album and this is where we jump to

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foxy would grow up and have ties to people like dj clark kent and the tone production duo the track masters foxy brown began to make a name for himself on the brooklyn lyricist circuit lounge where her name was queen nefertiti where she was in a group called rotten candy foxy originally went under the name big shorty when she got her first record deal with capital records, but she would change her name to aka before being eliminated. tag, she then she would try to do something with bad boy, but diddy rejected her.

She would later change her name to Foxy Brown after Pam Greer's iconic character in the film Foxy Brown. She got permission from Pam Greer to use it, but Pam told Foxy that the only way to have it was to elevate it, but Foxy would end up making a breakthrough on the classic Ello Cool J song, I Shacha Remix. The

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goes that initially it was supposed to be a major record, but it ended up being given to ll cool j there was something important about putting foxy brown on the record because some people didn't want to put new artists on that record, foxy came on the booth and spit and people were shocked that she definitely did her thing on that and stood her ground with the men after this came the dev jam deal after an intense bidding war for foxy brown with the dev jam deal finally led to a debut album which we'll get into in a moment, this will complete the brief stories behind little kim and foxy brown, but in the second half of the video I'll go over the

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behind their issue.

The thing about kim and foxy is that although they are different, they both have similarities in certain things, such as certain aspects of their appearance. rap little kim continued her ties to biggie, while foxy met people like dj clark kent tone from track masters and got a boost from jay-z. The two also hit it off at a young age and flipped the script on female rap in the On a side note, Little Kim and Foxy actually briefly attended the same high school growing up, everything between Foxy and Kim was cordial at the time. , we can see an interview Little Kim did with the source the same month her and Foxy Brown's debut album came out.

I can see the narrative being pushed that Foxy was, quote, perpetrating Kim's style because Kim was asked about it and little Kim said that every interview she did she was asked about Foxy and that's her girl . She said that it was good to see After she kicked the same style and that women in the rap business need to stick together, she also said that she loved all the female rappers at that time because they were showing men and the public that they can do the same things as many. I can do and maybe even better. I also played that clip at the beginning of the video, a foxy talking about kim and I think that was in March of 1996, if I'm not mistaken, on an episode of rap city.

As you heard, she said that Kim paved the way for her and said that she was the first one to come with that sexy and tough style. Little Kim and Foxy would appear together on the remix of Noone else Puff Daddy by Total Little Kim would release her debut album. hardcore on November 12 and peaked at number 11 on the Billboard 200 chart, selling 78,000 copies in its first week, on November 19, which is the following week, Foxy would release his debut album, Il Nana, as it reached the ranked number 7 on the Billboard 200 chart. selling 109,000 copies in its first week, so these two literally dropped within a week of each other and foxy ended up breaking little kim's record of having the highest debut for an album solo rap from a woman. little kim had that record for literally a week.

I know Nana initially did better numbers-wise, but hardcore would do better in the long run if you were around during this time period or saw my little Kim video, then you wouldn't know little Kim was buzzing. The hardcore did well on the poster. because the album was everywhere, the album spawned hit singles, all kinds of stuff, on the other hand, Foxy was also excited about her appearance on songs like There's Nothing Nowhere, Jay-Z, You're Stopping Me Though remix with Tony Braxton, the appearance on the The song Touch Me Tease Me, etc., the singles from their debut album also did well, Gimme Home peaked at number 42 on the Billboard Hot 100.

They will reach number seven on the Billboard Hot 100. Billboard Hot 100 and Big Bad Mama would reach number 53 on the Billboard chart. hot 100 and in fact in ilnana's eponymous night song foxy screams little kim and said that she was waiting for him to release her album and that she knew it was going to be difficult since we know that foxy would literally release it in one week. After little kim, after impressive debut albums, both kim and foxy were on the rise and were constantly being compared to each other. February 1997 was when little kim and foxy brown appeared side by side on the cover of source magazine. .

They weren't interviewed at the same time, but they were still pretty friendly with each other at the time and obviously did the photo shoot together. It seems like suddenly the two of them didn't like each other after this and this is what dj clark kent had to say suddenly they just weren't cool it was like what the fuck happened how they became uncool what happened they weren't cool who said what who He did what would sound weird to you if he never asked: it would sound weird because one of my cousins ​​and I were producing for each other.

It would seem weird because I introduced one to Jay-Z and the other is Biggs' protégé and I'm producing both and DJing for Big, but? I am Jay-Z's producer or it would seem smart because if at some point I ask I have to step aside, but if I don't ask I still love my cousin and producing records and DJing here and doing what I do now, there are multiple. different versions of how this beat supposedly started dj clark kent said that dad, who was one of the judea mafia orchestrators, got foxy brown into junior mafia, the event clark kent wasn't sure if junior mafia would have had two women in the group and also explained that the final result of the lineup had nothing to do with little kim being added over foxy brown, this is obviously long before their debut albums, but even after this they seem to be great, there are other theories too about the origin of the meat and a Kim Osorio told me, I think that's how they say it, but she's like a veteran when it comes to hip-hop journalists and she was the former editor-in-chief of the source.

Here's what she had to say about the situation. I have received mixed versions of the story. One story I remember was about the packaging of her album. If you go back to their two debut albums, you'll notice that they have the same outfit. I remember hearing that one had borrowed the other's outfit and that led to them not talking, whatever the reason, they all thought it was trivial now to put this into perspective, I'll post the outfit I think she's talking about and you can see it's the same suit they both have on Clark Kent. He also thinks the problem could be something super cheesy that's just been blown out of proportion and it could be something that was misread in the article and that no one around him said that what they interpreted about each other was just wrong, but moving on. talking about the style, i mean, people think with all due respect, people think that foxy took kim's style, whether it's with rap or fashion, there are a lot of images like comparisons of foxy's outfits with the from kim, but obviously before we heard foxy say that kim paved the way for her and was the one who wore that sexy style for the first time, maybe after a while and sometimes too much, little Kim felt that it was enough, that's just my personal speculation and I don't know for sure, but to me it's kind of Seems logical also in 1997, although it's when leor cohen, who is another man, you should definitely look it up if you don't know who he is, but in 2011, brother foxy brown revealed in the interview with vibe that leor cohen was ready to give it to kim and foxy. 500,000 a piece to perform at hit factory, which is a recording studio to record Thelma and Louise's infamous project, but they both never showed up, DJ Clark Kent said that years after the fact someone said they would give him a million dollars to To make the album happen he made a couple of calls and couldn't talk to them but even more so to their respective camps and it never happened, however in 2021 Fat Joe was doing a show on Instagram live and had a bad boy ex .

Rashad's producer Ringo Smith and Ringo would play a snippet of the never-before-heard song titled Enjoy Yourself that was supposed to appear on Foxy and Kim's album, Thelma and Louise, here's a snippet, don't be embarrassed, I'm a little mad about it . We never got this because that track sounds really, really good and man, imagine seeing a Throne type album between Foxy and Kim in 1996 like crazy, but in all seriousness I wish this had happened. I have also read in a double xl article that some people think that this built up tension between foxy and kim would not have reached the level it did if biggie had not died in march 1997 and also since foxy started aligning with nas and signed them which was further away from jay-z but dj clark kent calls bs on this and says what happened between foxy and kim was more personal than rap one of the first times the issue was addressed was in foxy brown's song my life off of her Chinese doll album that came out in January 1999, she talks about how a girl used to be a sister and how they dreamed together about how big they would be, then she makes a reference to Thelma and Louise, which we obviously know was supposed to. to be the name of the collaboration album between foxy and kim, then ends up talking about how they went their separate ways and how they don't even talk to each other anymore later that year little kim would say some things in little caesar's song called play around by her debut album, but it was actually diddy who told the girls to stop sounding like her with the constant comparisons in the media between foxy and kim.It was said that this opportunity was for foxy and keep in mind, this song came out in 1999.

The following year Little Kim would release the Notorious Kim album. There was a lot of drama behind the release of The Notorious Kim. The album was leaked in the summer of 1999. Several songs from the original album were leaked and became widely available through bootleg and Internet file-sharing services. media, but in the album's self-titled song, the notorious Kim in the first verse, little Kim was taking crazy photos, she was saying that girls say that they're different but they actually want to be heard, she said that this girl runs around with the gap and makes fake raps she has panic attacks now foxy brown is known for her what some might say erratic behavior in some situations but that's where the panic arises.

The attack line comes from the fake raps part, I could allude to Foxy not writing all of our raps but it's actually been proven that Kim doesn't either and I even played a Biggie reference track on Kim's song Queen B . Foxy's first album somewhat responded to this with Foxy on song 730 of her Broken Silence album, she would say she writes her stuff but he wrote some songs because she blew it up the same way being a mention . to jay-z and this means that jay-z wrote some of her stuff because she blew it up the same way which is a reference to the song no ain't no which featured foxy brown and was jay-z's first song z that really Blow up and if I'm not mistaken, it was his first song to appear on the billboard with him as the main artist, I think so.

Foxy also claimed that this record made Jay-Z Foxy continue in the song saying that she is not dodging anyone and that she would have killed little Kim, but it wouldn't be fair. Earlier in the verse she said people think she's crazy so what, she crashed her Range Rover but backed up a little for Kim's famous song and little Kim said Foxy's not a star and her record company knows she asked him how did foxy make all this money to go this far and explode. She goes on to say that she will bet low. c's before foxy and her company, if this was in the past, kim said they would have kidnapped her, but now she is getting money and the girls in the neighborhood can have her.

She also says stop paying these guys to write your stuff, so with On this record, we actually confirmed that it was on Foxy because on top of the other stuff, she mentioned the signing that Foxy was obviously a part of. Foxy would re-record the song Bang Bang that appeared on Capone and Noriega's album, The Reunion. was released in 2000 also the verse we got from foxy brown about bang bang according to nori was the least disrespectful verse foxy had, nori said the original version was much worse and as far as i know we don't really know what foxy said initially It is said that the lines about biggie in the song we have today are one of the main causes of the hot 97 incident.

Foxy begins his verse with the rhyme hot damn hoe here we go again, which is a reference to the legendary mc mc light. because she would say this in her song 10 of her, this that appeared or on her 1988 album, Light as a rock, which is also mentioned in the next line. Little Kim would also start her verse on the deep 1999 song, Quiet Storm Remix featuring Hot Damn Hoe here. we go back to the line because she was paying homage to mc light. Another thing I want to say is that some people feel that little Kim's verse on the Quiet Storm remix was directed at Foxy, but then there are some people who think that this is actually directed at charlie baltimore and the reason is because of the lines that come in this game or some miles and stuff, sub d girls just to get to the top, but going back to bang bang and foxy would say that kim was talking slick and what was up with all the Furtively apologizing, she said that she and diddy is killing it with subliminal stuff, which is a reference to Kim's famous song, but Foxy would tell little Kim to let Biggie rest in peace and jump off his flesh and do it to him.

She also said no. I don't care if Lil Kim delayed her album, which is an obvious reference to little Kim delaying km's notorious album due to leaks and this song was probably written and recorded before Kim's album came out, but the line is also a reference. to what little kim said in the song the notorious b.i.g which appeared and was a single from biggie's posthumous album, born again, this was released in december 1999 by the way and little kim told people to rejoice having delayed her album because that's how it was A Favor for the Girls Now, after bang bang, something very unfortunate happened in February 2001.

From what I've heard from multiple different sources, little Kim and her entourage were They ran into Capone, who is half of the rap group Noriega and Capone is friends with Foxy Browns. An argument broke out outside the Hot 97 offices in New York City when little Kim and her entourage ran into Capone and his crew. More than 20 shots were fired with five different weapons between the two groups and resulted in one. of Capone associates who were shot in the back. I'll talk more about this incident as we move through 2005, but a week later, Foxy would offer little Kim a truce.

This is what she had to say. I don't really know how it started, but Russell. simmons and i got together and i said russell i want to call a truce i want to sit down with kim i don't care what it is let's get this over with we can even do a collab we're bigger than this if he has to start with me let him start with me lil kim's camp no he responded and from what I've seen bang bang was a big reason behind the incident with the shooting noriega said foxy and kim had issues about whether foxy was going to do it bang bang or not he said foxy would have been on someone else's record spitting on it Noriega himself said that he and Capone didn't have any problem but they were just acting out and letting the cats fight but if Foxy needed them to be in her corner, then they will be with her, this was said months before the shooting, however, as I said , little Kim's team didn't take a truce and in 2002 little Kim was back in Foxy's head with his idea of ​​who had returned to freestyle also in 2002.

A sort of turn of events occurred when diddy started to watch foxy brown in an interview with mtv in 2002, he said that he and foxy were great and that he liked him as an artist at the time, he didn't know what the future held for him and said that he doesn't like to watch anyone else artist because at that time foxy was with devjam but the thing is that def jam almost managed to acquire group 112 from bad boy at that time all this was happening because of this diddy said that when you play at his house then you better clarify everything that surrounds you in 2003.

Foxy was set to release the album illna 2 the rush and it was reported that p diddy had come on board to produce several tracks on the album as well. As for releasing the album through a bad boy slash dev jam joint venture, this album also had to deal with a lot of problems and never came out until years later when it was leaked. The reason I mention this is because obviously foxy and diddy were together after foxy. he called out Kim and Diddy for sending subliminal photos. Little Kim was never officially in Bad Boy, but obviously she had deep ties with Diddy, but speaking of Little Kim, she would have bigger things to worry about because in April of 2004, Little Kim would be accused and charged. with conspiracy to commit perjury making false statements and obstructing justice grand jury perjury making false statements and obstruction of justice the initial police report said little kim was not present when the shots rang out during the incident with capone, but two days They later determined that she was actually at the scene when police questioned her the next day.

Little Kim claimed to have no knowledge of what caused the bullets to fly and she refused to tell the police that she had accompanied her to the radio station. Little Kim also allegedly lied. When I was later questioned by a grand jury in connection with the investigation, there are many other details about the situation that I'm not really going to go into, but in 2005 little Kim would be sentenced to a year and a day in prison and a fine of fifty. thousand dollars for lying to a federal grand jury, little Kim would come out in 2006 and at that time she already had four albums and the first three albums of hers went platinum in the United States.

Little Kim wouldn't release another album for years, but she fell. a few mixtapes over the years, foxy at this point and even now hasn't released an album since 2001's Broken Silence and his first two albums went platinum and Broken Silence goes gold in 2005. Foxy suffered from a severe hearing problem that he had a big impact on her career, which is unfortunate, i also have to mention her little kim's album, the naked truth on the track, calm down, she was still taking shots at foxy by mentioning that foxy was arrested for the dispute over her nails, mentioned the physical fight between foxy and jackie or had what in kim's words she said proved foxy wasn't a fighter and then little kim said she wasn't going to go to foxy but was going to go to her ghost rider, but of course back to foxy and literally at the beginning of 2005, jay-z, who was now the head of dev jam, signed with foxy back and was working on his album black rose, which never came out after 2005, both foxy and kim released a mixtape with little kim launching miss goat and foxy brown launching don brooklyn diva and Side note: throughout these years both Foxy and Kim also had problems with other people, of course there was still tension between little Kim and Foxy over the years, but things will take a turn for the worse as a result of what happened in the summer of 2013.

Jam there were rumors that Little Kim and Foxy Brown would reunite during Fabulous's performance, as Foxy Fabulous suggested that Little Kim was supposed to join them on stage, but Foxy would later reveal that that would only work if it was quote-unquote, the real Foxy still hadn't gotten over something. from the comments made by little kim about foxy's deafness here is the story behind this response, although in 2011 little kimmel dropped her infamous black friday record on nicki minaj, but there was definitely an opportunity for foxy when little Kim told Nicki that this is what the other girl was almost killed by Foxy would respond to this with massacre.

There are plenty of other tracks that both have criticized each other as well, but they'll be here all day if I go through them all individually in response to this from Luke Kim. He did an interview and they asked him about the song and he said that he doesn't think Foxy heard it, which is obviously making fun of her deafness. Little Kim was also asked about her relationship with Diddy at the moment and she said no. I didn't talk to Diddy because she showed her side and what she wanted to do when it came to Foxy Brown, but going back to the Summer Jam situation, Foxy said she understood the epic of the biggest female rappers in the game to change the game. game. and playing microphones, but at some point some part of that has to seem real, it has to be real.

Foxy also cleared up some rumors about him being late and ruining any chance of a reunion, but Boxy said that he was in fact on time and even arrived with a fabulous girlfriend, Foxy would say that if we can orchestrate a situation where it's real then I'm with her if it's not real I'm not with it and it wasn't real as you can see she was defiant from the moment he even said my name he said I don't want to act with her I said Fab isn't genuine, so little Kim would end up acting and Foxy wouldn't, and there was some drama about that, now after this, I mean, they're like really.

Which wasn't anything really crazy in my opinion, just little skirmishes over the years, but things came up again when little Kim was asked to do a versus battle and if she had to do it, who I would? with and little Kim said she would do it with Nicki Minaj and as we all know like me the only battle that makes sense is Foxy that's the only battle when it comes to little Kim versus the only one that makes sense in me opinion. I understand why little Kim would want to do one with Nikki, but I'm sorry because Nikki is a completely different animal.

I'm not saying Nikki is better. I'm saying Nikki has, I mean, she looks like that. I know, I know that little boy has a catalog, but Nicki has Bruh, Nikki also has a crazy guy for a long time, so we're not going there, but yeah, there were rumors about people trying to make Foxy and the little Kim versus happened, but I like it. So far it hasn't happened yet. I really hope that one day these women can resolve their differences because it would be great for the culture. It's obviously much more difficult than other situations because the people who were injured went to court. time for some things, so it's a lot harder to get over some of these things, but it would be great if they did.

When I make these videos, I usually do it if the group ortwo people I'm reporting on are back. in decent terms because I'm not trying to promote violence or anything like that. I'm not trying to promote any of that. You know, I mean, I'm really just trying to report the story and give people the content that they just need. like asking me to put things together like I say, but I don't mind artists competing against each other, but when it gets physical and all that other stuff, I don't really support it like I like, I don't really support it that way.

As I should say it, but my message at the end of this video is that I hope that one day these two ladies can resolve their differences. One last thing I'd like to address is the topic of the 2012 summer festival that Foxy was rumored to be doing. a quote unquote funeral of little kim on stage nicki minaj denied this because foxy was supposedly going to be one of nicki's guest acts and nikki eventually put out a summer jam that year so that little kim funeral thing never came up has proven true and yes, no I don't know, but overall, let me know what you thought of the video, let me know if you learned anything new.

I don't really have much to say man, I really like to do my best to delve into this. the whole situation, but yeah, I think I covered a lot, a lot of things today but peace, I'm out.