Devil Child Cursed to Haunt New Jersey? TFD Podcast #7

that he's a uh the more I didn't look into this too much but I saw this that talked about um the more sightings of the Jersey Devil start to appear in the story uh before the war starts and it's like I've heard similar things about Moth Man, so that's interesting, but one of my favorite Jersey Devil stories is about how he supposedly enjoyed a ham and egg breakfast with a Republican judge and maybe isn't known to have a specific political leaning. he was trying to threaten them, I don't know exactly, I think I think the one where I was digging and I realized, oh, okay, this is a lot, this is a joke, was the one where the guy was like oh yeah, in 1870 I saw him performing with the mermaid, he was serenading her with his squeals and that's how he knew, you know, that's when I got to the mermaid story when I thought, "okay, this, this, this is a little, uh , small tall".

Queue here yeah that's funny and then another good one is um Captain boy uh a treasure in Barnegate Bay and legend says he beheaded one of his men to guard the treasure forever and there are tales of the headless pirate in the Jersey Devil who became friends and they enjoyed night walks together along the Atlantic in the nearby marshes, so Bo, over there, sees it's funny, it's funny because you know, I would say I've never been there , but the pine trees are so huge that they look pretty. scary, I think the Pine Bar is scary enough without saying how many bodies are dumped there, you know, yeah, but you know I was making the joke before the

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, the spoilers are not really for The Sopranos, but for the Pine Barons episode.

I feel like maybe. The Russian was picked up by the Jersey Devil and flew away or maybe that was the origin of the Jersey Devil. He is the Jersey Devil. You know, they shot to spoil the Sopranos a little bit. This is not a crucial story. plots if anyone cares uh this is just an episode uh he gets shot in the head technically um but it's probably like a scratch or something but either way uh he's a guy that the gangsters on uh Sopranos take out uh to The ideal is to get rid of the body because they thought they had already killed him, but then he comes out and he's still alive, so they fight him, he runs away, they shoot him in the back of the head, uh, but then he ends up getting up and they kept running away, uh , and then, uh, they couldn't find their car afterwards, was that what was, yeah, yeah, they got lost, so they were stuck there, um, but you never see this Russian guy again, so maybe he They shot. in the back of his head and he was dying but he made a deal with the

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to live and now he wanders around the Pine Bar like the Jersey Devil, so one thing that's interesting to me is that this is my kind of conception of it, is that um, I was looking at the different spirits that inhabit the Pine Barons, not just the Jersey Devil, and what it feels like is that these were a lot of Sailor Tales, a lot of old wives' tales and the Jersey Devil turned out be the one where they went crazy and made something that was a fantastic type of modern encryption and that's why it became more popular than to say uh here's some of these other um black doctor he's this he's a good spirit that couldn't uh He practices medicine because he was black and went to the pine Barones uh, the black dog, which is actually like a cute black dog, unlike many other versions, the girl with golden hair who was looking at the sea crying for the loss of her lover , the white deer. ghostly deer that rescues people like all of these, these are all very positive spirits of Captain Kid and it's funny, what was Rick?

There wasn't a source that said that the further north you go, the more people see Jersey as a symbol of peace, right? even further north in Jersey they supposedly saw him as a benevolent creature and there are more stories about him as a pacifist, that's what he and the Republican, yeah, they talk about projecting, uh, uh, which is funny, so what can I say. It's more from the back The original stories talk about him being like a demon, a

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, an evil thing and like murdering people, cutting babies' throats in the middle of the night, sneaking in through their windows and things like that, like that what, uh. that's so wild that it's like you have this incredibly dark origin, eh, who knows what the origin is, and then it's like taking it to these fantastical, happy things too.

I feel like that's the case with a lot of uh, a lot of supernatural things, I think if you look at, I mean, we've talked about Sasquatch, um, but even something like aliens, you know, UFOs, there's iconography that's used for nice stickers on the bumpers and other goods. like so so I feel like the devil is pure New Jersey culture and they've stuck to taking him out of the original conception of him well that's a good question to ask like why do we want to take these uh evil ones. dark things and then make them cutesy, do you know why we want to make them into a friendly monster?

Is it just a response to try to rationalize your fear? Try to make the fear less or something because, for example, I don't really do it. I collect a lot, but I like horror-themed Funko pops, uh, and if anyone doesn't know what a Funko Pop is, it's like a doll, um, and I actually have a Pennywise right here and it's like I don't know why. just I like it. and it's like, this is supposed to be scary, but in this way it definitely isn't um and okay, here we go, I even have Jason here so I can't explain to you why I like it, it's just and like I don't have no desire at all to get any other type of Funko Pops.

I only want the CU horror ones. It's like I just think he's cool for some reason, um, but I couldn't explain it on a psychological level, at all, why you know that. It seems like whatever that phenomenon is, it's part of it, but it's almost like the power that they're trying to take away from it, like the power of WOW and mystery, and turn it into a novelty that you know they could. use it as a monetary way to, you know, improve your state or bring tourism maybe to your street, yeah, what does New Jersey have that will bring you some ISM?

Plus, you know, maybe the beach there. I have no idea, I've never done it. I did a lot of research on New Jersey, but for all the New Jersey people watching, I'm not hating, I just don't know, I'm just ignorant, there is at least one confirmed hoax because there was that $10,000 reward in 1909 where there were hundreds of encounters in just a week um like a streetcar was attacked uh you know, the police in Bristol shot at him, nothing happened, you know, and he identified Footprints, he, he went all the way from South Jersey to Delaware, in the west from Maryland, wasn't even there. hanging out in Jersey, you know, the schools were closed, vigilante groups were out in the countryside, you know, the Philadelphia Zoo posted a $10,000 reward, yeah, like I said, and they were offered a bunch of dupes, including a kangaroo. those claws and bat wings that kangaroo with green stripes I think it's safe to say that if you close the schools, I mean, you could say that maybe the kids were hysterical and just said we can't, we can't deal with that right now. but it seems like 1909 was a point where people started talking about the late 19th century with Joseph Bonaparte and all those other things that eventually got to a point where people actually believed that there was some kind of thing out there, yeah well there was a specific week in January 1909 where there were 30 sightings in that one and I think that's what took it from folklore to a modern legend, yeah close enough that people could document it in the newspapers, whereas possibly in the 1700s and 1800s it was more of a word of mouth that the creature got, you know, passed on by itself, I read something, I read something about the Leeds family being a cornerstone of the state that, um, these Legends came from calling this is similar to the reptile thing we talked about in the aliens episode, people called like oh that leads to the devil like they called them demons and then that potentially generated the folklore of that because you know that you've got some kids who are like the Leeds Devil, oh I bet it was that old lady and her son was a goat that flew out the window, you know, something like that, yeah, exactly one thing that's always interesting about cryptids and I mean, it's different for many. them, but just for a lot of mysterious creatures and everything that generally surrounds them, um, some kind of vast unexplored forest or whatever, um and it's like, do you think we, as people, are like that?

That place is so mysterious, so you just make up these stories to piece together some kind of creature that's just as mysterious and that could live in the forest because you look and you look and you know it's so big and everything and you think, oh, anything could live. there, anything and me. I'm going to make up the story, you know, of something quite fantastic because, how mysterious the force itself is, I mean, do you think that's the reason or do you think there are more mysterious things that happen around things like that? I mean, I'm not an expert, but you know there are places like the Bermuda Triangle and I feel like that place doesn't really have a specific creature, it's a place where the location is enough to be mysterious, but I think it adds a little bit of Woods, adds, you know, some animals see you in the dark, see your eyes glow and then actually, just to go back to what I said before, um, I was in, I wasn't wrong, but apparently apparently Daniel Leeds um was a member of the family and had an occult reputation position of the monarchy PR um and you know New Jersey was very anti-monarchist and then Benjamin Franklin kept depicting his son as a ghost and that may have contributed to people considering the entire family in some nasty stuff, yeah, yeah, that makes sense, especially with what you said before that people were literally referring to oh that devil, you know, it's like he keeps exaggerating, his family crest is a wyver, it's like a, you know , it's a bat. dragon creature that's what, uh, some items you know are also called Jersey Devil, it looks like a wyburn, I mean it's like Vlad dra, you know they had the order of dragons, they're like oh, that's like the dragon, You know that they are.

They're agents of Satan who could do these monstrous things if they weren't like a blood drinker in a supernatural way, you know, and so it's a similar deal. I feel like you know, it's like we're saying, like you know, at UF. aliens episode again, is that they can't be human, yes, they are so abnormal that they must be supernatural in some way, yes, exactly. I wonder if, like you know, if the protagonists were like a prominent family in New York. Jersey and had a lot of hate and baggage in the community and it has been spoken about very fondly throughout history.

It seems like not now, no, that kind of idea where did the Jersey Devil come from to give his family a Bad name, pretty bad, one thing is the suggestion because the Jersey Devil is known for these horrible blood-curdling screams of blood. There are people who think that the Sand Hill crane may have reached New Jersey and you know, you think. about it, you know, let's say it's night, or it's like sunset and you and you see like the Shadow or you get hit in the face like one of these things that squeaks past you, it will seem like it's some kind of del devil with bat wings, you know, that would surprise me for sure, definitely, and it's like an animal like that, you would like the style of the body, like the Jersey Devil, that moves its head, you know.

There's uh I also saw a thing that I think is called a gray horned owl, which is native there and the one thing about owls is that if you ever see an owl in person at night, they're creepy, especially. because, when it comes to woodland owls, at least they're a lot bigger than you'd normally think, and their wingspan, you know, depending on the owl, some of them can reach up to 6 feet, if not more, with the wingspan of the at. uh, so yeah, you're driving and you see that ginormous thing coming like a real drop real close to your car just for a second and you've heard of the Jersey Devil or whatever before, you're going to say, oh my gosh, I just seeing the Jersey Devil, uh, because yeah, that's super weird.

I remember one time, when I was a kid, I had cats and stuff and, um, you know, I grew up on the reservation, um, so we had a lot of woods. behind our house directly and I saw like in a yard with the light shining and everything uh the cats were crazy they were looking up uh in the sky in the trees they were just getting scared it's like what are they looking at, they're super scared so I opened the door and I looked out and it was like, um, it was like it was sunset, you know, so there was still a little bit of light out there, but it was like dark uh and I'm like looking around I look up and there's just a tree branch that's like going out and this owl that's sitting there looking at them, you know because he wants to eat them, of course, uh, but I like the size of them.

It seemed as if a person was standing and sitting on it. When I saw it for the first time I was scared. I thought, "Oh, that's an owl." But its sheer size was so strange. He was just staring, it was like because all I could see was the silhouette, you know, but it was very clear, you know, he's in Long Branch, sitting there. Oh yeah, it's creepy, if you've ever seen owls without feathers, those things are so horrible oh yes, they look, they like pure muscle with their neckthin because they can turn it all the way around, you know it's. no yeah when we get to the owl women we'll talk more about that yeah we need to have more indigenous content here yeah talking about indigenous um so one thing that goes back even further with the origin stories of Sweater.

Damn, this is pretty short, it's not like a big story, uh, Lenny Len, oh my god, I'm ruining this, uh, Lenny Len Len, I probably didn't say that, the Lenoe tribes, uh, were native to uh, tribes who were native to the Jersey area, they specifically talked about the Pine Barons and referred to it as the land of the Dragon because they had a description of a creature that lived in that area and it was like a dragon that they described and you literally look at pictures and drawings and it's very comparable to all of this, like a horse head with wings and things like that, and okay, so what if you knew that there was a Great Forest with all kinds of creatures going around? to synchronize or something like a dragon uh um that actually lived there and maybe they just slowly died out or whatever, but at that time maybe there were one or two uh still around when the Jersey Devil stuff really started in the XVIII century. and all that so I don't know what kind of coincidence it is that the natives from way back before a lot of this Jersey Devil stuff have this story of a dragon that fits the description of the shape of this uh. horse head and wings and everything and then people just make up this other story of some creature they had and they just describe it, you know, but they have a crazy different idea of ​​what it is, but they describe the same way.

The same silhouette, you know, so it's like, what does that mean, what does that mean, where does that leave us, does it mean that there was actually some kind of strange creature out there that I don't know, maybe it was a dragon, a smaller type dragon or was it something else, maybe a rare bird. I don't know, we need to do the dragon episode, we need to do the dragon episode because there's actually a lot of interesting stuff when it comes to conspiracies surrounding dragons and all that. um, I think you guys remember the first time you heard about the Jersey Devil.

I know this from some obscure documentary, you know, one of those unsolved mysteries where I heard the version of the story in which he was the protagonist. I know the protagonist's 13th

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and all that. I always heard the name Jersey Devil, but I never heard a story attached to it for a long time because I remember hearing and seeing little things that mentioned it and talked about it. but I never went into details of what he was and that's why I was always confused. I wonder what this is, kind of a folklore thing, like what is this, uh, and yeah, it wasn't like that until, honestly, the last year or a couple of years.

I actually heard the real story, yeah, yeah, same thing here, like all I knew was that he was from New Jersey and the Devils, the hockey team, was named after the New Jersey or Jersey Devil and then I think which in the early to mid 2000s there was like a found footage Jersey Devil movie that I remember reading, but I never really knew what the real story was until probably the last four or five months, maybe even shorter that, yeah, because especially when it comes to media, uh, doing things with the Jersey Devil is almost like a kind of backdrop, they're never too interested in, you know, if it's a horror movie, almost none horror movie has the real Jersey Devil, um, because, like you said, found footage, Rick, uh, you could have been.

Speaking of, it was the last broadcast that came out in the '90s, I probably don't remember, honestly, it was actually a very divisive movie because it has a whole thing of these documentaries that are coming out out there. to find the Jersey Devil or whatever, and this movie was made at the same time that I actually think it was technically made before the shooting schedule, before Blair Witch, but then the Blair Witch Project came out first and so on. when the last broadcast came out everyone was like oh the latest broadcast is ripping off the blair witch project exactly so all the filmmakers are like wait but then they like that movie yeah it doesn't even have the

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devil in it. at all it turns into some kind of true crime movie um CU very divisive if you watch it I won't spoil it but the ending is like for some people it ruins it for other people they like it for me it bordered on the lines It almost ruined the whole movie yeah.

It's a very difficult twist, uh, at the end and I recommend watching it just to see how you feel about it because almost everyone feels weird about the ending of that movie. um, but yeah, it's like there's nothing about the Jersey Devil in that movie even though they're looking for the Jersey Devil and they're talking about it and I watched this movie and I still didn't even know what the Jersey Devil was. even though that was the backdrop of this movie, so was it something to do like I had a family or something? um, not really, not because I remember which one I was, if I remember correctly, it had something to do with something like the brothers meeting each other. trying to go out and find the Jersey Devil or something like that with the Jersey Devil.

I think maybe some of the characters could have been brothers. I don't remember for sure, yeah, and it's funny you said Blair W because I was What I was going to say is it reminded me of the trailer I saw that was kind of like Blair Witch, so probably yeah, it's probably the same movie. Yeah, we should definitely have an episode that talks about the Blair Witch and that kind of stuff. well, they did a really good job making it feel like it was an original story like the

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devil, that's what was up with the shining, witch, was that all they did, the documentary, the website?

I remember there was a point where I thought, well. I know the movie is fictional, but is it actually a legend that I don't know? So they did such a good job of muddying the water where, uh, they made it feel like an original American folk thing, yeah, well, that's what I was crazy about when I first saw the movie. I remember listening. I guess this is supposed to be real, this was literally my introduction, you know, and this was when I was a kid, without the Internet. So it was like there weren't any similar sources talking about it, so I didn't know anything and yeah, so I was probably 13 or 12 when that movie came out and I remember everyone talking about it and saying it's a real movie there are missing people, They found this film, the marketing scheme was spot on, yes, speaking of found footage, there is a series that I haven't rewatched, but I remember thinking it was pretty good, it's a found footage web series, guys.

I want to check it, it's called Only Acquaintances, it has 24 episodes. I'm 90% sure I don't think you'll ever see it clearly, but I'm 90 95% sure the show is about the Jersey Devil, but it's basically more focused on The Cult's ritual in which the Jersey Devil it's in the center, so it's more of a satanic type of thing, so okay, that's cool, but again, I haven't seen it in at least 10 years. so I have no idea how good it is but I remember it was pretty atmospheric so maybe we should do a little review yeah pick that reaction video maybe we should when we get further into this we should like it . a movie night and stream our live reaction to certain movies mhm comment below if you like let us know if anyone cares for sure then the idea of ​​the jersey devil is this story that really got pretty crazy and crazy, do you think people do this because they like to chase influence, like they're just trying to be included to sound cool or do you like what's your opinion on the reason for all these stories?

You know, I think there's always an element of that, no matter what kind of dark fictional theme you choose, is that there's going to be a certain element that they want to feel unique, they want to feel involved in the culture around them or the culture that they want to validate. Maybe they want to validate their beliefs about the supernatural or are simply trying to feel unique. I have this story that I can tell people. Obviously there are people with genuine encounters or encounters that they firmly believe are true, but not me. I don't think it's necessarily a clout chase, but you know I'm not, I don't live in New Jersey, so you know, maybe there's a devil in your shirt story, you know, that's always going to be something like that.

People say, do you have a Bigfoot story or yes, do you have a Skinwalker story? Rick has two Skinwalker stories, so he already made me watch the Skinwalker episode, um, but no, no, my opinion is I just think it's back to what it was. the way the community treats it is that it's a lot it's funny it's more it's at this point it's more it leans more towards the humorous side there's not a lot of value placed on Yeah, to me it was almost like a cultural phenomenon like in New Jersey, where everyone gets caught up in it and it's almost like a feeling of fomo if you don't have a Jersey Devil story and it's almost like you're not. like a true New Jersey resident.

You know, M, if you've seen or experienced a Jersey Devil and um, I also read that idea occurred to me to support my idea is that, with the modern sightings of the Jersey Devil, the crypt has started to look different and Ha There have been some where they have explained that it looked like Sasquatch, there are others like a bird or even pumas and then there is one that is super hyped that is a hairy humanoid with a deer head, not a demon head, a deer head. with glowing red eyes, it's almost like the idea of ​​Jersey Devils evolving and becoming an amalgamation of all these different ideas that you know, like you said before, of people seeing these animals at night and not knowing what they are and trying to describe their It's something personal, you know, the history with them, yes, it is like that.

Do you think most of the Jersey Devil sightings are non-people who are just lying or trying to make up a story to make jokes or something? believe what they saw say they know what they saw do they believe they are looking at it through a Jersey Devil lens therefore all I see is the Jersey Devil but they don't know it to that extent whereas do they see? something that was creepy and that's why they just associated that, do you think that's the most common thing? I could totally see it because you know in that area, the Jersey Devils are encrypted, their big thing and especially when you're camping at night. or um, some of the stories from people who have ridden their bikes during the day and seen the Jersey Devil.

It's almost like an idea of ​​how to explain something you can't explain. You know, it's almost the idea of ​​how, uh, I. I saw this out of the corner of my eye very quickly and it made like a screeching noise. Must be Jersey Devil CU if we are in that area. You know, it would be curious to know how our society spends less. and less time outside, these types of encounters are going to increase again, you know, we're going to have a bit of a renaissance of people encountering owls or cranes or things that make legitimately scary sounds and fly past your face or past you. your car or they run next to a deer run next to you, we are going to have more explosions of these types of encrypted sightings and in the future, do you think that, as people you know, they go out less, when they do, they are less? being familiar with the creatures around you in your environment is a good point because when it comes down to it, moose make some creepy sounds if you don't know what they are, owls, owls make very strange sounds, they scream, they scream. and that's the most common thing with the Jersey Devil is that they talk about screeching, so it's like the pine barons have a lot of owls, you know, um and then uh or or gangsters that cut people up exactly, um, you know , being out there in the woods there's a lot of reverb and couple of sounds and you know that a sound that's very far away can sound, you know it's very different when you finally get it, if you're like a mile or two or even further away, you know, yeah, one thing, uh, that I feel is probably true for this, but maybe, uh, a lot of encrypted things, uh, it's something that you'll see, uh, horror movie, uh, directors and writers talk about um, and when you're in the horror filmmaking space, you really have to do it.

It always comes back to remember that the human mind can create the scariest things like themselves, but it is like each individual's human mind, so you can't tell another person what is the scariest thing. That person knows what is most terrifying for them. and when you delve into those fears and dodge them, don't do something too specific, don't show the monster, just dodge with some creepy things and don't show it at all, the person's mind will create a monster in their head that is much more scarier than anything they can come up with, so taking that logic and just applying it to the forest and life experiences of just being in mysterious areas are just people, you hear something spooky, you witness something and then you just apply your worst fear as if could be this and then you put it there and then maybe itI see an owl or something and it's like, oh my gosh, you know, we're always trying to like, you know, find the explanation for something that physically or mentally we can't explain, mhm, look at that, yeah, and then just considering the constant. evolution of the Jersey Devil in particular, uh, how he looks and everything that sounds like a horror story, sounds like a bedtime story and of course people keep adding things.

I guess okay, here's a good example. my boy scout days, um, you guys were once a Boy Scout, some experience with that or anything, Scouts, but pretty soon, yeah, fair enough, so there's a thing in the Boy Scouts called, uh, Let me remind you, uh, snipe hunting, ever heard of this? It's just this joke that usually Boy Scout leaders play catch a snipe, yeah, yeah, they just like this, it's more than just Boy Scouts, um, but it's very common for Boy Scouts. um, so what it is, it's just the idea. This happens from what I've heard many times, the idea of ​​telling someone to go get something, you're the veteran and you know it exists, you tell the new person to go get that thing, but not that thing.

It doesn't exist, so I've seen things like mechanics telling the new guy to grab this tool and saying, I can't find the tool you're talking about, you know, they have some name for it. they kind of describe what it's intended for, so it's the same idea, so going sniper hunting is telling the younger Boy Scouts that usually there's a bird that comes out at night, um, and makes certain noises. and we have to go look for it because it's very difficult to catch and then no one sees them, so it's like if I saw one, you know, we go look for it, and it's like a tradition. like a boy scout camp on some night, in the middle of the night, everyone goes out and goes snipe hunting, you know, to try to find this elusive bird, um, but that's how it starts, like being just an elusive little bird. , nothing. harmful, but I was in the Boy Scouts from '78 until I was 18, at least close to 18, so I saw different generations of Boy Scouts, different iterations of stories that I heard over and over again and I remember this one.

At the time, it was like another boy scout camp when I was a little older and some of the other kids who were close to my age were telling the new Next Generation, the younger ones. The freshman, you know about the Snipes and they were just adding these ridiculous, scary things about the Snipes, you know, they're saying, oh, they have sharp teeth and they like to add things that would really hurt you and eat you and stuff. , and I remember I was like where did that come from like you were turning it into something real, like something scary that's not what it started with?

At least, in my experience, they had to make it suddenly scary and it's going to eat you up. He worked with some of the Boy Scouts, they were afraid they wouldn't be able to sleep because they thought there was a scary creature like what they described as a velociraptor that's hiding in the bushes and is going to eat you, and it was just It's so funny because I thought you're getting too ridiculous, they're not going to believe you and some of them did, and the funny thing is that it always reminded me of good horror movies and then bad horror movies. bad movies horror movies, they'll just show you the monster, they'll make the monster ridiculous and have unlimited power, which, as I'm the best example, The Conjuring movies are pretty good and then the nun movies, there's no absolutely no rules about nuns.

The demon has to like respect the demon, he can do whatever he wants whenever he wants, just to scare and make something super creepy happen, and so we see that with the slasher villains they just start teleporting and there is no explanation for them not to do it . I don't even care anymore how they get to the point exactly because then the first slasher movie, that slasher villain was pretty grounded and then each iteration, each sequel, each generation telling of the story became more and more ridiculous until it was just So. it's like how we got here, yeah, and I think that's probably the best example, you know, because literally in the nun, this demon has some kind of teleportation that he can do to people.

It shows up somewhere else and it's like, since when has that been like a demonic ghost thing? You know, uh, there's me. I gave up after the first one. None, oh, yeah, so bad, very bad, but yeah, so it's from what I can tell, uh, when I experience it is. a sign of immaturity to tell us in a narrative sense, you know. I'm going to take my own thoughts and try to force my scary interpretation on you and the craziest thing out there. It's scarier for me, so it should be for you? That's not the case, you know?

Because a lot of times, especially when you're a kid, you like to take a step back from what you thought was scary as a kid and sometimes it is. the stupidest, like ridiculous thing that you like, you think, uh, and then when you get into a space where you tell other people that really stupid, ridiculous thing, someone who maybe has a little bit of experience in that category of whatever, then you can turn around. I know like wait, what are you talking about? So I feel like Jersey Devil is the cryptic version of that kind of thing.

It is the encrypted version of Freddy's Dead the Final Nightmare. Yes, it's going to scratch a blackboard. It's going to burn your ears. a is too high, yeah, exactly like each story has to definitely surpass the next and you know the next story, you know a grander scheme than the one before and then everyone is trying to figure out what to say next. to become the one story you know everyone's talking about until you get to the Jersey Devil talking to a mermaid, yeah exactly, you always have to top the last story, which is why it gets so outlandish.

I think the original is quite effective. In its simplicity, a mother literally just says H, let the devil be, and then she gets her wish granted and then the

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just flies off into the pine tree and it's like it's pretty, you know a lot of times. Simplicity is the best way to tell stories, the device, yes, because you know that your mind when you read that story will fill in all the blanks that that story doesn't have, so what scares you will be added to that story. Yes, and what is fun. is like Let It Be The Devil, so that really sounds like something someone would say back then, you know you're just frustrated and you know your drunk husband makes some kind of comment like, oh, it's just another kid, what's the problem, let it be? the devil, so you know, she said that and then maybe one of the other kids heard her say that and then they thought, what if she's a devil?

What if my little brother came out and ate me and then it became everything from there? You know right, it's like all the research I was doing on the main story, the main devil and, um, each story was a little different and the one I read was just the most extreme version I found, which you know, MH. some people can be entertained by others, you know, it could be too much, so for me I thought it was the best story that could make us understand the mentality of what the Jersey Devil really was, yes, a game of telephone.

Yes, exactly the best example of that. Well, do you guys have a lot more ideas about the Jersey Devil or do we want to go ahead and call him here? You know, I think, long story short, I think that's what I hate. to be reductive, but Jersey Devil is kind of no, no, you know, it's, I like that original design. I think the original design has something. has something. It's a little silly It's a little silly but I could see like that thing was flying. When you scream, that's pretty scary, you know, so I give him props because he's very unique.

I like the original backstory. I like that it's woven into the fabric of New Jersey history. It's all these people who have seen it. you know, bonapart Ben Franklin is wrapped up in it, you know, like all these things, I like these elements, um, I think it's real, it's not really what the

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is necessarily about, but I would say overall it's, You know, it's very fun, fun. very funny, you know, would you like a good Jersey Devil story? I think if you lean into some of that Rosemary's Baby stuff, you might get something out of it, yeah, and I mean, who knows, maybe, as far as the theory that I.

I've made reference a couple of times to creating your own Poltergeist in the world as if that's not just like in your house or whatever, giving your fear and energy to something and then whatever happens with the idea of ​​what. is it a poltergeist or if it's just a culmination of energy or whatever and it's like negative energy and then it creates a manifestation of something and then maybe some people actually saw or have seen things that are more of a true description of what people talks about the Jersey Devil. um, that little theory I have applies to everything, it might not be, I don't know if you believe in ghosts, you believe in uh Poltergeist, so it's a possibility, I guess you can't really deny it, um, but CU.

That's what I always come back to for myself: This doesn't ring true, there are things I don't fully believe, but there are people who are very inflexible, you know, and they had an experience that was more than just the blink of an eye. of an eye and they filled it in the blink of an eye with their mind, you know that they really saw something and they are convinced that they saw it, so what could that be? If that's true, if they saw something, did they really see the Jersey Devil? Did you see the culmination of the negative energy that was attached to this story or I don't know, maybe it's like a real demon, a real devil that's just running around and people attach the stories to whoever knows you?

I know, I totally agree with that sentiment, you know, because you know, after going through these last few, what's your seventh episode number, you know, some of them I don't believe much in, but there's enough, you know, history and legend . behind them, where you meet a lot of people, a lot more people, you know, believed in them and you know, you passed on the stories, you know, even with my, you know, encounters with the ones that you know, what I think, could have been a walker of the skin. I know I still may not believe it 100%, but you know it's a pretty interesting story and idea that my mind, you know, told me, you know, so I can't say one way or another that you know, I could tell that to people.

They are stupid for believing in something or you know they are idiots because they make up the story because you know it's all in the eye of the beholder, you know we can't say they're wrong because we didn't do it experience it mhm, that's just what I think, yeah, so how can I listen to this? Encrypted back to Bigfoot, we already did it. Bigfoot Girls. Alas, yes, it is his, it is his pet. They are the ones who walk side by side in the forest. Bigfoot is not in the Pacific. To the northwest, it's in the Barones pines, yes, and they carry it on the wings of their devil shirt, yes, but that's why it's screaming, that's why it's screaming, because it's so heavy it hurts to ride in the aliens' spaceship , right, the aliens, yes, that too.

Should we just get this over with? We're low on effort here, okay, low humor, yeah, okay, until next time, thanks for traveling with us into fictional darkness, no, it's Joy, it's not fictional darkness into joy, get it right. Jing here chist Jesus Christ, okay, bye