Why is Trump’s indictment under seal?

Joining us now is former Whitewater Council Deputy Saul Weisenberg, and we're happy to see former U.S. Attorney Brett Tolman as well, gentlemen, thank you for joining us first, Saul, one thing stands out when we're looking at these 34 counts of Alleged commercial fraud it seems. really excessive maybe we are wrong it just seems excessive we are wrong Saul I mean is this a 34 count sign? This sounds like if this case is weak, they need 34 counts. I don't know, it just looks finished. At the top, the number of charges can be easily manipulated and is not necessarily an indicator of anything.

He has federal prosecutors bringing 99-count mail fraud and wire fraud charges against him all the time, adding each wire and age of a separate conspiracy. and so to me, who has a lot of charges it doesn't make sense, the question is what is the essence of the crime charged, but back up a minute, Liz, this whole idea of ​​

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ed in the at the time of the arraignment, that's not a feature of New York law, I mean, they didn't have to seal this

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and they didn't have to announce it after sealing it, so to me again you have to You have to ask yourself why it was you did that way.

Is there something you haven't told anyone about a completely secret crime you've found that you want people to go and comment on and then look stupid? Who knows? We know this office. is already involved in some misdirection by making people think there wasn't going to be an indictment this week and then there was one so I'm really curious to see how the indictment goes so what did Saul just say ? Why have the accusation? sealed Brett I mean, what is documentary evidence that the public hasn't seen yet for your case? Well, Liz, thanks for having me and I appreciate Saul's comments.

I will say I was a federal prosecutor for several years and there are reasons why you add a lot of charges and sometimes it's just a nature of the statute and there's nothing to read into it like Saul indicates, but other times it's definitely the war of Optics in this moment and you want a jury to ultimately believe that the more counts there are, "There may be more criminal behavior and let's face it. All of us who have been prosecutors have added charges to put more pressure on the defendant and make the case seem stronger than that is.

If it is solid, then." We'll see, we'll see that when it goes well, that's sealing it. I think Liz you are absolutely right. It's strange that they're doing it, but I think they're doing it so he doesn't escape. they too soon want the former president prosecuted, they want him arrested and his picture taken and then they will deal with the consequences of how weak the case is or isn't so now it's the court of public opinion come on Saul , let's see his reaction, former Attorney General Bill Barr reacted to Kudlow by saying that they are forcing a use of books and records for a state misdemeanor that usually ends in fines and penalties in a federal criminal offense, that misdemeanor, by the way, had It already expired due to the statute of limitations look at this.

I don't understand the basis for a fraud claim here, but then they take this misdemeanor that also has a statute of limitations issue and try to make it a felony by claiming that the reason the document was forged was the documents. falsified was to cover up another crime in this case they are assuming the payments were a campaign finance violation because they were effectively a contribution to the Trump campaign this is an abomination it is the epitome of the prosecutor's abuse of power to bring a case that wouldn't be abroad against anyone else, they're after the man, it's not a crime, what do you think, Saul?

Well, your viewers need to understand that this application of the law, the law of the state of New York, is a particular application not only does it make it a felony that you can commit under the statute, if you commit this misdemeanor for OBS to promote or hide another law, it may be a serious crime, but what law are they saying? uh you're trying to hide that it's a federal campaign finance violation that the federal government has already refused to prosecute this law it's never been proven in a New York code court this enforcement of this law so draw your own conclusion, yeah, Saul, that's what Saul I just said, I mean, we've got Chuck Schumer, we've got Nancy Pelosi out there, Brett says you know this is holding Trump accountable for a taste, a case that it could be thrown away because it has so many holes it could be because it was thrown out. because it's so weak because of things like Reasonable Doubt, you know, because of the way Nancy Pelosi and former FBI Director James Comey are being criticized on social media.

Pelosi tweets that she believes Trump is guilty until proven innocent and then James Comey appears saying you know, it's a good day, this is the same Jim Comey who admitted to leaking the meeting to get the Mueller investigation released. , I mean, they took a note to uphold the law, I mean, these are really strange tweets here, Brett, what? Do you think carefully about all this? This is his day, right? Liz, this is what they've been waiting for and let them celebrate it, but the wheels of Justice are running slowly, but they're running well, and what that means is they're going to file motions and Trump is going to file his first motion.

I predict it will be the statute of limitations motion. There is no pandemic exception to the statute of limitations. I know it can't be done through an executive order and I think that is their first motion to get rid of the case, if they are not successful there then they will attack, you know other aspects of it, but yes, this is their day, the opposition day, but it's a marathon and not a sprint, yes or no, quick answer. Brett, do you think this case is falling apart and going nowhere? Yes or no, yes, what do you think?

Saul. I think ultimately the case is likely to be dismissed. Understood. Saul and Brett, thank you for joining us this Friday night. I really appreciate it.