Modeling Well-Being: Gisele Bündchen On Nourishing The Self, The Soul & The Planet | Rich Roll

I was exhausted, I had like a banana bread or something, you already knew that, but I think you realize that the decisions that you're making actually support you or don't, you know, support you to live the life that makes you feel

well

and live the life you want and are taking. towards the direction that you want to go or not and then it's easier to make the right decision and then I feel like when I go to jobs, you know, I've gotten to the point in my life where people know how I eat and You know, I can tell them. to people, listen, this is what I want, I want you to have an extensive riter, yes, you know because I've already been working for so long, so I have, I guess I really have the privilege of

being

able to.

Saying something like that is the kind of thing I'd like to eat, so please, at work, you know, if you work 10 to 12 hours in a studio, can we have this stuff available? You know what I mean? It was easier to stick to healthy food, you know, because I think that's so important and then just say I feel like it and then say no to those things that you know like coffee or alcohol or things that I was so used to because I still I was in that same environment the environment hadn't changed I had changed but all of that was still around me but then it was just a choice to say you know, I feel great and I haven't had alcohol in over two years too, this is something you know, even when I started drinking again after I was very moderate, you know, it was still like I drank socially, sometimes you know, peer pressure sometimes like, oh, come on, have a drink, you know, and then you I like to feel especially in my In the world, I mean, everyone is like socially having a drink, so I was like, "Okay, I'll have a drink," but then it got to a point where I thought and that was like 20 years later because it happened more than two years ago.

I thought I don't want to drink, I don't care what other people think and I don't care if they have Fe pressure. I'm going to have my Min tea, my Cam tea, and if they want to drink, I'm not making anyone feel bad. for drinking, they can do whatever they want, this is their temple. You know, this is my temple. I can choose and they shouldn't make me feel bad because I don't want you to know. So, um. I kind of defended my

self

, I think that happens after 40, like you could care less what other people think and, um, wait until you're 50, oh my god, I can't wait for that, I'll like it, he'll be.

It's amazing, but I think what you mentioned is that you're kind of directed and dedicated to your path and I feel like that's the underrated aspect of understanding your

self

and your career. Many people come to New York City every day. a single day with a dream or ambition similar to the one you had when you were young and you got there and many of those people are very beautiful, you are beautiful, but that doesn't tell the story of how you translated yourself as an opportunity in the career that you had and I think that between the lines there is an intense work ethic and a very intentional approach to what you were doing, how you applied those skills, what is the differentiator between you and the career that you have enjoyed versus you know other beautiful people who don't enjoy the same type of career you can't and you can't say luck or you know no, I don't believe, I don't believe in luck, I don't believe I don't believe in luck, I believe in hard work and I believe in um, I mean, I believe in discipline, but also I think I always treated everyone the way I like to be treated and I have always been grateful.

I have this immense sense of gratitude for just

being

there, so even though you know people were like oh, you know, you know, when I was 19, I was like, I want the model of, you know, the model of the year and everyone's like, how come does it feel like it? I don't really care because frankly I never saw myself as a motel, it's just not a thing. I didn't drink the Kool-Aid. I didn't believe because I was a model or because I was successful in this job. like I was better than anyone, I just and I didn't believe it, I think I learned that trade very

well

and I understood what the job entails and I learned to do the job very well, but in no way is it. what defined me is just something that I did it's not who I am I don't know if you know it's like I was there I had this opportunity when you know I was 13 14 when I finally left home and and and and St pursued me this career that I really thought was I really did it for the money, I did it because I thought: what else am I going to do at 14 years old to be able to help my family?

You know, I don't have other jobs that offer me an opportunity, so I'm going to take this one, so for me it was really like a job, so I never liked it, it didn't define me, I did it my way, like I never became what you know it was. Like, oh, it has to be glamorous. I was never glamorous. I'm a jeans and t-shirt type of girl, like me, if I needed to go to parties or hang out with these types of people, I never did any of that like I was going there. I did my job, I did my best, I was never late in my life for my jobs, I was never that late, I was there before everyone, I was there 100%, you know, I just wanted to make sure that if people booked.

I and they trusted me that I was going to show up and deliver, you know, and I think that's what it was. I did it my way, you know, and it didn't break me in a way. Cu. I saw that you know people. In this business you know you can get lost because if you drink the Kool-Aid, if you start thinking, you know you get lost in it. I was never lost, it was just a job and it's still just a job. I can't even believe it. Sometimes I still do it, I go in and do it, it's not what I do full time anymore, but it's one of those things where you know, I have to do this, I have to make a career out of it. and I was able to make a very good living and help my family and myself.

I have wonderful things, you know, I got to travel the world and learn different languages ​​and all that, and that's how I see it. I don't see it as something you already know. I don't see myself you're not defined by that you're not you're not trapped in the kind of darkest part of that very strange world this whole world is almost like a parallel reality to me you know what I I mean, if something is like a button on, I go there, I do my job, I take a picture, I turn it off, I go home and I have the same friends, I have my family, I'm very close to my family, but I think you.

You're very good at seeing opportunities when they arise and you tell a little story in the new book about being 14 and on your way to Tokyo and your parents gave you, your dad gave you some money meant to get a taxi since that was the first day I arrived in São Paulo and instead of using that money, oh, you were super young, so you had a little money to pay a bill and you had the presence of mind to say that this money would be better. I spent buying some clothes so I could do better in my auditions or all that, which is not normal, it's someone who thinks about the future, who plans for the long term, who understands that he has an opportunity in front of him and tries to figure out how . making the most of it with limited resources and I think that speaks or says a lot about your sensitivity or your perspective as a business person, yeah, I mean, it's very interesting to look at it that way, I mean, for me at that time.

This time, you know, I felt like I did more than that, you know, that was one of the things and now that you say I actually did that because I bought my first apartment when I was 19 and when everyone was buying designer bags, you know, all the models and you know, remember, I didn't know I was going to last in this business, I thought I didn't go to school, I didn't go to high school, you didn't know. I went to work and every time I go I come back I thought I was going to be a farmer or something because I always love the land and but I didn't think you know where I'm going to go from here. so I have to make sure I have at least a place to live.

I'm a cancer so I want to have a stable home and when I was 19 people started flying me first class because I was like the model year right, I saw that all the clients now pay me first class. I was trading those tickets for Coach classes because I was in a different country every two days and instead of paying, you know, the rent on an apartment that I pay, I put a down payment on an apartment and then I was paying my mortgage instead. to pay rent and you're 19 and I was 19, so I owned my first apartment when I was 19, it was like a city in New York, it was like facing a wall. from another building, of course, he was like an apartment, you know, that takes some maturity and some long-term thinking, well, because I thought to myself, you know, I don't know how long I'm going to stay here.

I know I at least have to have a place to live if I like it I'm not going to live empty handed you know what I mean like what do I care about a bag or what is it going to give me that's not going to be a roof over me head. I need to make sure I have a roof over my head that I can spend in the right places, but I think that sense came from my mother because we grew up. You know, my mother was a teller at the bank. My dad had a lot of different jobs, like a real estate job, but he was, you know, my mom, they literally, we were very simple people and we grew up in two rooms with six girls and money was always tight, so I learned . how it's the same thing in the book it's like how to prepare how not to waste food I mean it's all like I think in my life I was raised that way you know what I mean like planning ahead like for tomorrow so make sure you have food for everyone like if we are going to reuse the meat that we cooked on the barbecue and we are going to put it in the rice we are going to have race so we are going to have a hearty meal because we have the rest of the food, you know what I mean I mean, it's like you put money in the bank so that when you retire you have something to live on when you can no longer work at the same thing.

I feel about food like you eat the right food, so when you're older you can have the energy and your body is functioning because you made the right choices, so to me it's the same thing, you know, it's kind of just being what you are. is necessary here, do I really need this? What do I need more? Do I need a roof over my head or do I need this? These bags and these things. Do I need to take a taxi when I arrive at the model? apartment when I'm 14 even though I've never been to the city or I can take the subway and save the money so I can get clothes for the casting and maybe I can get a job it's like I'm thinking with the resources I have now same what's the smartest way to use them I guess if you're like me never without a water bottle let's do it right people allow me to rock your world with my new favorite toy that's actually not a toy at all it's a non-negotiable essential camel backs 100% steel podium % leak proof water bottle emphasis on leak proof for all you Gearheads this is designed for the bike but honestly this simple yet stylish stainless steel gadget is designed for anything and everything that keeps everything you put in it cold for hours and goes straight everywhere.

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You know, a designer he was. I remember doing a Balin Saga campaign. I thought like they made me a boy, I was literally like a week, I was like a man, a boy and in one I was like the sexy Versace campaign, you know, with big hair and like you know, a push-up bra, yeah You know, so it was like I had to play. from the androgynous girl to the very sexy one and the grave boy, how I got to you know, I mean, you should see, I don't know if you ever saw my book, the other one that was like 20 years old, I did a 20, well .

I watched the video you did where you went over it and you were talking about what was going on with you with each of those photographs, yeah, so it's really about playing these different roles, but instead of you talking. like you're in a movie, you just have to make the image, that image, that image captured for it's a performance art it's a performance art but it's such a strange world. I know like Alexander McQueen, he was like he was really the catalyst, right, he was the guy that gave me the opportunity, you know, he gave me the opportunity, but when you look at His shows or some of these other shows, like the designs , are stunning and beautiful, but they are also totally inaccessible.

It's like who uses this, is there anyone in the world who uses it? I mean, if you're LadyGaga, I guess or Someone likes that, but yeah, it's a fantasy, so it's curious how that translates. I guess it's just how you feel and how you think about a particular designer or brand and not so much about directly selling those designs to the person than going to the department store or the boutique, yeah, they're not thinking. I don't even understand the business model of the whole thing. Yeah, me neither, to be honest with you, but I think it's really, I mean, I think it's changed.

A lot, since I started, I see a big change because I think before there was a lot more creativity, a lot more creativity was allowed. I think you know McQueen or JN Galano, you know the shows and stuff like you're in a world. like sure and the photographers were rock stars, oh yeah, and it was a I think it was a time when it was a lot less about selling, but it was a lot more about the inspiration and the aspiring, you know, the aspiration to create. like a fantasy and it was a lot of fun, so I have to say that at that time because I would have been dead, I wouldn't have survived, I would have done everything possible, I would have been at all the late night parties.

It would have been a disaster, you see, I was in bed studying my astrology books at about 10, you know, that was me. At 10 I was like, oh no, I have to go. I thought I have to start early to be able to do it. going to bed early, so for me it was a different thing, but, you know, I guess for me I also felt very responsible because I didn't want one of the guiding lights for myself. I really think it was my parents because I saw. how hard they work and I didn't want to let them down, so I think part of me, so staying on the line was like I'm not letting my parents down, I don't care if they're not here, they'll do it.

I know what I'm doing, I remember part of the reason I got so scared at the McQueen show and they sent me shirtless because I couldn't speak English and they didn't even feed me anyway, so then I thought, "Oh my God, If my parents see this, they are GNA, they will make me come home and then you know what it's like when you get on the Internet, but there was no Internet in 1997 19, it wasn't like that, thank you." God because they didn't even see that otherwise they would have been like what are you doing I'll be like I don't know and you have five brothers right I have five sisters I'm the middle child I have two older sisters and two younger sisters and I'm a twin MH in the medium, so we like the sandwich to be Brazilian, like the cheese in the sandwich is Brazilian.

You are connected to the Amazon and to the issues of climate change and you have done a lot in terms of Your environmental advocacy and clean water initiatives talk a little bit about how that started and what it looked like now. You know, I've always been a big um, basically like a child of nature. I always tell my children when they ask me. Know? What is your religion? They say Mom, we don't go to church. I say, you know what you're in church every day. I mean, I mean, what do I say when people ask what my religion is?

I say love is your religion and your nature. It's your church, that's your cathedral, that's the big church, that's our temple, so you honor your temple, you love your temple, CU, that's the only reason we're all alive, because this whole ecosystem is doing possible, you know, grow our food to give us all the things we need to survive, so U and that's how I grew up. I felt that way and especially having a grandmother that everything was from the earth, you know, she grew everything she ate and, uh, you know the Earth. he was giving us the herbs that we needed to like when we got sick and I grew up that way so when you grew up that way and you grew up running barefoot you know I come from a small town and whenever you want to eat something you grab it there it was like a tangerine tree or like an orange tree or it's a plum tree and you just go and pick the fruit from the tree we never buy fruits from the supermarket you know you go or you had it in your backyard or your neighbor had it or the other neighbor you know someone had the fruit that I wanted to eat just go get it so I think when you walk away with that connection to nature you have a different appreciation it's so I feel like nature is just like it's me like I think we are and you know we are that and I think this connection of nature for me is not something, it's something that I've always known, you know, it's how I grew up and so for me, um, to care for What I love is that nature is natural.

So the first time I realized that there were actually problems happening was when I went to spend time with the indigenous people in the Shingu area of ​​the Amazon in 2004 and that's when The first time I realized, you know, the pesticides, what the pesticides did, where the mining operated, how they polluted the rivers and basically all the indigenous tribes that they lived in and depending on that water, they got sick and even though they lived very healthy. You know it with nature and you know it from the impact that the big farms and the different mining and all that were having, really, they were having a really terrible impact on their livelihoods and that's when the first time I thought, I need to do it. . do something about it and that's when I started like I had a flipflop line at the time in Brazil and we gave it a percentage, you know, that's actually a funny story from the indigenous people and I thought: I wonder what they would do with this . with these funds but it was like a group that helped the indigenous people in Brazil and the funny thing is that when I did it when I turned 40, this was in 2004, so I was 24 years old when I am 40. 2020 I was 40 years old.

I wanted to do it. something for my 40th birthday and I thought, oh, I want to plant some trees in the Amazon and how are we going to do it, so we looked for who could help us do it and we contacted the people who are working with the indigenous peoples that we met in Brazil and they are as if we had the largest seed bank in the Amazon and we started with the money with the entire program that you gave in 2004, that money that was for the sale of flip flops, now years. later they had the largest seed bank from, you know, the indigenous people, they collected the largest seed bank and that's how with that whole group of people we basically planted more than 300,000 trees in that area of ​​the Amazon, so that It was like years later, so that's how it is.

It's funny how life goes, but for me because I was very connected to nature and I always wanted to help and my dad always said, you know water is the most important thing and, of course, I saw that with the indigenous people because that's how they were. We all got sick because all the mining waste and pesticides went into the water in my small town. We also had a lot of problems with agriculture, where there was a lot of runoff from Roundup and everything they use in agriculture, all the pesticides and stuff, and that was making a lot of people sick, so we did the AGA Limpa program in 200.

I think it was in 20 I don't remember when we started, but it was like a long time. A while ago I financed it and my dad, who is also a sociologist, worked with the university and us and we basically regenerated the entire river area which was like bringing water to the city and we were able to clean it. It took us a few years to do it, you know, it was pretty simple because everything we had to do, I mean, it wasn't simple, my dad is the one who did the work, it was simpler for me, I just financed it, but he was there. every day I had to work with I don't know how many farmers you had to take their piece of land and cultivate the forest of native species, you know the native forest, so there is a buffer zone, there was a buffer zone and then the root systems they could filter it before all that stuff went into the river and then that was the Agal Limpa project and that was one of the projects that we did to clean the water and anyway, there's a lot of different things, but overall, my my The thing is that you know that we have to take care of Mother Earth, she takes care of us.

You know, when people tell me, oh, let's save the

planet

, I say that's such a selfish thing, you know, as humans, we think Let's save anything, the

planet

s are in their own process of evolution, This is, you know, I mean, the dinosaurs were here before us and you know, I mean so many different civilizations, the planet will be fine, that's what I always say. please don't kid yourself, I think we really need to save ourselves, yes I say there is no saving, we need to recover, yes this really is about us protecting resources and taking care of what we really need for our survival because once that are gone, the planet is going to regenerate.

I mean, I've seen this time and time again, the planet regenerates so quickly, you know, because it's so intelligent, we need to learn from nature instead of trying to control nature. It's like taking a humble pill and learning from Big Mom, we've gotten so far away from that and we live in this dualistic mentality where we think you know our environment and then there's nature or there's us and that's outside, um, but really. understand that you are never outside of nature like you said. I think that's the first point to try to really deepen your relationship with the world that you live in, we all live and share, and I think when it comes to the Amazon.

Like we all hear about the deforestation and all the logging that's going on for cattle grazing and strip mining and everything you mentioned, but it's an abstraction, especially to people you know in North America, like If we knew what was happening. We know it's bad, but I've never visited there as I've never seen it myself and being Brazilian gives you a deeper appreciation and understanding of its scope. I think that's how people tell the story because I think it's a lot. deeper than you think, I think people like to depend on the industry that wants to profit from something that tells the story and they say, okay, this is what we're going to do about the cing, oh yeah, it's so crazy that many NOS enter. there and they say we're going to have an NGO because we're going to like protect Amazon, but in the meantime, they own the biggest paper company that comes from Amazon, they just don't, you know what I mean? so it's not all it is as it seems no, it's a wild west there and one of the biggest, you know, I've been there several times and I've done a lot of things too, it's like talking to people. and understand what happens there and a lot of what you know, there are ancient forests there and a lot of that goes to Europe, for example, a lot of the livestock, for example, is what they use to occupy the land, but what they are doing. really after which it's really valuable there's like gold and Min m, you know, the rare medals, the rare medals, yeah, the rare medals and the gold and all that stuff that's there, that's what's interesting about this, you know, the different countries, let's say they are not Brazilian when they and because it is so corrupt unfortunately, you know Brazil is very corrupt, the politicians are very corrupt, what happens is they sell those rights to those countries and then we have what we have and then the cattle in the end they just become friendly. to put them there because they have to occupy the land after REM because they have to enter if you go there then they removed everything because they have to remove the value the value so then they put all the cows there that's what they do They remove the old wood, they remove the precious metals and they have to get there because if you fly over it, it means you're flying for hours over a green carpet, so for you to have access to that, you have to do it yourself.

It can't just be cut down because it grows, so what they do to stop the forest from growing, they just throw it away because it's so fertile, the soil as soon as you cut it, because imagine the soil has been there like it gets all those healthy bacteria. . from the leaves that fall super fertile So in about three days the grass grows well and then so that the trees don't keep growing because if you just leave the abandonment, that's what will happen, the birds will carry the seeds. to drop the seeds that they go to, things are going to start growing again and then they won't have access, you know, so it's like a cycle, but what's really behind what they're really looking for is the important thing. it's him it's him and it's not unfortunately you know it's h it's so sad that you know it's greed mhm at the end of the day it's greed and it's greed of people who you know don't have those natural resources where they are and they understand the situation in Brazil and how corrupt the system is, you know, the politicians and they come and just buy those rights that they exploited, exploited in every way, but and at the end of the day it's um, I think greed is the biggest disease of our time, You're not going to get an argument from me about that.

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I think the first thing I feel is like a monkey sees the monkey doing the right thing. I think you have to be the example, you have to let it because I think whatever you say. It's one thing and whatever you do, they need to be nice, they need everything you say, whatever you do, they have to be the same, nice, yeah, they have to be understanding and um, and that's what it is and I think than for children. For my kids it was a lot easier because I was home with them a lot, so I took them to school every day making them breakfast, you know, I just had my gardens at home growing the food so that when the kids came to play .

At home, you know, my kids were grabbing everything, raw cucumbers, carrots like green beans, they just took them from the garden and they liked to collect things and put them in the basket, it was like a game to them and it was like oh friends would come. Why do we go have the For to Door picnic outside and then they grew up that way? You know them, so it was easier for me to feed them healthier foods and explain to them. You know we always compost. We had bees in our house, so you know they were learning about, you know, when the beekeeper was coming and they explained to you, you know how much, how much honey you can take and how much money, how much honey you leave for the bees. and how a queen bee works and all that, they were, they were emotionally connected, they were emotionally connected, they were a part of it like I was as a child, so for them it's very natural and they were also homeschooled. for the last three years, during you know the whole pandemic thing, me and we moved from Boston to Tampa, so it was a whole new world for them, so I homeschooled them and now they just went back to school, but I have to tell you.

I see a big difference, especially since my son is now 14, so he wants to go back. This is what I mean, oh yeah, well how old is the kid? Well, they range from 28 to 16 and each of them is four and each of them is different um but it's a delicate dance because you know we raise our children in a similar way um but they reach a certain age and part of the individuation and Maturation is taking ownership of your own decisions and understanding what you stand for and what you don't. To really define that and perfect it, you have to go out and push the envelope and try new things;

Otherwise, it's just something you're doing because that's how you were raised and that's what your parents told you, rather than really owning it for yourself and that's why we've learned that you have to have a very loose brain and let them out. and do whatever they want and control the environment at home, but get a little perplexed if they go and make a decision you wouldn't make or whatever and just be curious about it and give them the space to do that and you know you expect them to come back. and you know you do it the way you taught them and sometimes they do it and sometimes they don't and again each one of them is different in our case but as they get to a certain point especially when they're with peers and friends and in social situations, those things have to be learned. themselves and you have to allow it.

I think it's very interesting, so you have to let it go a little bit. Oh, let it go and let God, yeah, I tell myself it's like a mantra, you know, and I remind myself like my mom let me. I left home she emancipated me and I was living in Japan at 14 and there were no cell phones as I call them, you know, can you imagine doing that for one of your children right now? No and actually you know what's so funny because I was having a conversation with my son about it he um was complaining you know I have homework at home you know kids have to do their homework so set the table wash the dishes you know now I make a comment you know I cook in you know I come from school I'm cooking you know that one has to set the table who sets the table the other has to wash the dishes and there's like you have to clean your room you have to do the basic things You know my daughter is doing it amazingly, she loves it and she's very good and very proud of herself mom, look how well I cleaned the dishes, like she was very good and was washing herself, she wasn't putting them in the machine , I wanted to learn how to really wash them and and and do it right and she is very focused on that, my son, as always, says: why do I have to do this?

You know, we actually had a breakthrough this Christmas this whole Christmas season because I said it says to me, I'm going to leave home when I'm 18 mom and I don't know if I'm going to go to college you didn't go to college you didn't go to school I'm just going to leave home when I'm 18 and I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. I'm fine that's great so you're going to go to your own apartment and who's going to cook for you and who's going to wash your dishes and who's going to clean your clothes who's going to do that and he says for a second he says why aren't you going to have a chef and like a you know and he was thinking for a second and I'm like well this is why when mommy tells you to do those things at home, you know, it's because I want to give you more tools for your toolbox. , because when you learn to do those things and they become second nature to you, you don't even have to think about it. you empower yourself to do it yourself you don't depend on anyone and that's nothing it's amazing to be able to do that I said you know what made me feel so strong and capable when I left my house because my mom taught me how to do those things so When I left home and went alone at 14 years old, I went first at 13 at 14.

I moved to Japan, but since I was living in the mod's apartment, I was the only person there who knew how to clean, cook with an iron, I did absolutely everything in the house. home because my mom taught me and it was easy for me I didn't think it was a struggle, I was happy to do it and I was happy to do it for the other girls who didn't do it. I know how to do it, but if you're going to plan on leaving on your own at 18, who do you think is going to do all that stuff for you?

So the only thing I tell you is to take advantage of the fact that mommy is here for you. right now and I can teach you all those things and you can do it in your time. I'm not telling you that you have to do the dishes right now, so let me help you. I'm going to create a list for you and you just have to do them and you can decide if you want to do the laundry once or twice a week you can decide if you want to do the dishes right after dinner or before going to sleep whatever you want but if you learn to do those things, you'll see how empowered you'll feel and the more tools we can put into place, the more things like those simple things that you can learn and equip your toolbox for.

Are you going to be as capable and there's nothing more satisfying than feeling like Are you capable of doing things that you are capable of? And then he looked at me and said, Okay, Mom, so when we get there. At home, you give me that list and I'll do it. I thought, wow, he was going to say he really got that. I think I have a breakthrough. I think I have a breakthrough with the hormones being raging. Like any mom you know, you'll go as furious as you can, you might as well get that reaction, that was good, good job, don't you think that was a good thing, but I wore it, but you see, it was a moment where I wore what he He said because when he thought to himself, that's true, how am I going to do all those things?

I told him: you don't want to live in a messy, smelly place that isn't clean, as you know, you want to like it. I need to know how to do these things and I think all I see is all the things that happen in life, as well as the different tools that we acquire, you know even the work that I know, you know my work, like all the tools that I have acquired in this job all the things that I've learned to do um that I don't know when I'm going to use them I use them for my work but maybe they'll be useful in like 20 years from my Life is safe, but you come from very different circumstances, it's the danger of success, just like you and the child's father worked very hard to achieve all these things in life and now you are raised in, you know, a crazy degree of privilege and it becomes more difficult to instill that type of ethics of I work on someone who you know grows that way.

I think you're right. I think it becomes much more difficult, but I think we have to go back to discipline and priorities. And I think for me it's about what kind of you know. I feel like I am their guardian because we don't own our children properly. I mean, we just come here, they come through us, but they are as much as our teachers. as we are, they are teachers and we are constantly learning and teaching, you know, in every relationship in our life and I feel like we have this moment in time that is very short in a way that we can influence our children because then they go away.

I mean, look at my parents, they had 14 years to influence me, and then I was out in the world and I never came back and I keep remembering what all the things are that if they hadn't taught me those things, where would I be? I am today and I'm very grateful for those lessons and I feel like yeah, I grew up in very different circumstances than my kids and it's a little more challenging for them to make the bed and do the dishes and clean them, you know, I have a person who you can do it too, but I aim to do it so that then they know that, oh, mom is making dinner, mom is making breakfast, mom is so they're like, well, you have to model. and I feel like it's a different type of

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that I prefer, it's the type of modeling that I consider important because that's the type of modeling, you know, I mean what is Mo, the most important thing for you. you are going to do in your life.

I feel like raising children is by far the most challenging thing I've ever done in my life and at the same time the most satisfying, and you know, but I feel like if I don't do it. do that if I don't equip my children to be good and capable assets that you know for themselves in their lives if they're not going to be then I fail. I feel like yeah, you haven't done your job, so I haven't done mine. work, I mean, I feel like that's my job, I mean, it's a job that I do for a living, so I can, you know, put my foot on the table and have my real job, like I think as a mother and I chose .

Being a mother, so I have to be present for my children and I feel like these things that you know, I think are really what shaped me and what made me who I am today was definitely the upbringing that I had and what my parents how they guided me. and I feel like that's really important, so I make it a priority in my life to make sure that my kids will have, even though they don't have the same needs, you know, do those things because my mom didn't have a person that she could pay. to come clean the house.

We had to clean the bathroom, clean the, you know, it was like a list that we all have to share with each other, who's going to do what and we grew up that way. It was fun because you know I always was. I always love the cleaning part. You know, I love organizing and cleaning. I feel like a clean house is a clean mind, it's like what's outside, inside. You know, if everything is organized outside. I can think and I tell my kids and I feel like if I can really get them to do those simple things in life, you know, and learn those things and teach them how to be self-reliant, capable human beings, I feel like I've done my job and then I can rest and then whatever else they do, the decisions they make, if they choose to eat the food I gave them when they were little, if they want to go eat now, you know whatever or I mean.

It's going to be what they're going to do, you know they're going to choose their friends, I hope they choose wisely because at the end of the day they're going to be the ones who have to deal with the consequences of their actions and I always tell them, listen, you know you're going out and you are going to do the Cho, whatever choice you make, there will be consequences, you will have to deal with those consequences. Yo, this is your life and sometimes they need to make those mistakes and face those consequences like we did. I mean, how many? errors i mean thatI have and those experiences are formative, I'm sure, if you look in the rearview mirror and think about the panic attacks you were having on airplanes and your inability to get into an elevator and you know this desire. jumping off your balcony at some level you wouldn't wish that experience on anyone, but you probably wouldn't want to change your experience either because it sets in motion all this sensitivity and way of being that you have now and I think with children regardless of whether they listen to you in the moment or if they go out into the world and make a bunch of mistakes like they come back, yeah, and everything you taught them is there and at some point when they're ready or whatever, they'll come back.

And you know and I think trusting that is very important and I also feel like if you try to control it too much you're going to completely drive them away and you know, I think for me I keep coming back. with me as a child and the trust my parents had in me to let me go and I wouldn't be who I am today if it wasn't for them trusting me and for all the mistakes I made and then had. come to the other side and find out for myself, so I think it's important to give our children the dignity of their own process, you know, because we had a dignity, you know, we have to go through our own process to become who we are and believe.

As long as they know that we're there and what our values ​​are, you know they're those things that are important, what is it that we stand for that's important to us that you know as both a value and a core value? as a good human being and a good person and if you thought that your children and they and they got it at the end of the day, they are going to go out into the world and they are going to You have to make their mistakes and I think the best thing you can do for them is be there for them every time they come back and if they want your help, you know that and I think it's hard because you want to protect them like you do.

You can put a Bobble wrap on them so nothing touches them and they're safe, but at the end of the day that's not realistic and it's like it won't work anyway. You know I like this idea. You know there is a butterfly metaphor. Imagine the caterpillar as it transforms into the butterfly you know, eats, eats everything you know until it finally starts spinning into a cocoon and then it has to go through that whole expulsion process if you ever see that you know that they become GPs, yeah, but they're like, but it's exactly, it's just and it's really hard to like when they come out, it's really uncomfortable and it seems like they're very strenuous and very difficult, so if you go in there and try to help them out you go to them you go to the butterfly and she will not be able to have the strength she needs the struggle is the struggle is what is crucial for growth and you have to give them You have to be the dignity of their own process and I and I keep reminding myself that I cannot take that away from them. opportunity because my parents gave me the opportunity to overcome my own challenges and I grew up and I want my children to do so.

They have the same opportunity because whoever they become will be based on what their choice is and I hope I gave them enough good examples and good values ​​that they would make the right decisions for them, you know what? Is that what you want people to understand or learn from the new book and how are you modeling this lifestyle? Is it about changes in diet? Changes in lifestyle. Movement practices. How can someone who is interested in leveling up across the board begin the process? to make those changes in your life you know it's funny you know why when I decided to make a cookbook I'm the furthest thing from a chef there is let me tell you something I'm not a chef let me just be honest you have a private chef at home that person is in charge of everything no longer I used to you don't do it anymore no, no, no, no, no, the last two years, no, you are cooking my own meals yes, I am cooking my own meals yes, I grew up there and I want, like I told you, that my priority is to show my children what I think is important to them and and and I can't, I can't say oh This is important and then I've done it and I won't do it.

You know what I mean, so it has to be consistent, right? And I think for me it's really like living what I think is very important and I was showing that to my children. that this is important to me and the only way I'm going to show it to you is by doing it, so yes, I had chefs and that's how I learn to cook a lot of the recipes in the book. I was inspired by the things that I created with the chefs that over the years I had the opportunity to really work with amazing people, amazing chefs who love food as much as I do because I love food, but it was really an idea. so look I can say go and meditate, go and exercise, you know, I believe in meditation, I believe in rest, I believe in exercise, I believe in nutrition, all of those things are extremely important for you to take ownership of your health. and really take care of yourself and work on having a clearer mind and feeling more connected to yourself.

I think all of those things are different aspects, but the reason about the cookbook is, frankly, I was seeing kids coming to our home dates and playdates and moms will come up and say, how did you get my kid to eat? broccoli or roasted vegetables? and it was very simple and I was like, oh, maybe we can share how to make some simple recipes that are great. easy you can do it in 10 minutes and you know moms some of you know you feel overwhelmed sometimes and I know because life is busy there is so much going on so I thought how can I help in this way? and I also feel like Food is a perfect time for you to practice being present and mindful because you can eat quickly and not be present and the food has an effect on your body or you can do something that I talk about in the book. like every time I look at my food not just the act of preparing your food there you love it and you're touching the food and you're connecting with your food that's one thing but even if you're not the one cooking your food Just taking a moment to bless your food and recognizing that it's something that's alive, that you're taking it and that it's also your source of life, so it's like connecting with the food in that way, I think. does something because everything is energy, so you are having an energy transfer with something and with the intention that you eat it, it has a different effect.

I feel huge, you know, when I start doing that, it makes a difference. It's different to just be present and connected to what you're doing, have gratitude for that moment and you can do it three times a day, you know. I mean, I have a juice once a day now, but I still throw it away, but it's just kind. It's just this book, what I would like people to take away is that it can be very simple, it doesn't have to be complicated, eat healthy and I really like it, if you have plans, you know, my mom taught me.

I know that since I was a child, food is not wasted, so how can we organize our meals? So is there anything important about reducing waste? Yeah, that's huge for me and I also like to plan if you're going to buy because or you know. food sourcing is huge, it's not about having something with a lot of seasonings and a lot of things, it's just keeping it simple, but buying really good quality products, like you can do that and then instead of like, because a lot of people say oh. and then you buy organic and then you throw it away because it's like you know it goes bad a lot faster and I'm like, yeah, but if you have meal planning and I and I teach that, I give some suggestions in the book like my Mom. did that.

I grew up like that because she didn't have time. You know, she was working all the time, so she had in the refrigerator what we were going to have for the whole week, so she would go grocery shopping and buy and then things would be left for the next day so you would always know what we were eating and the things that weren't eaten could easily be carried over to the next day and made into the next organization so that nothing was spoiled and you. so nothing spoils and you never had food waste because you are always taking it from one day to the next so it is never wasted you always have very good quality food you organize yourself you have like your broths and all those things that you cook like at the end of week and you put it in the freezer so that the broth always makes everything taste better, so if you make rice, if you make a soup, anything, you just put broth in it, it's amazing, you're doing it even if you make a chicken a la grill. just putting broth in it makes it amazing, so it was just like presenting an idea of ​​how we can eat Health, how we can eat healthier and how we can also practice, it's in a way a meditation, because you know.

Maybe people don't sit down to meditate for 30 minutes or 15 minutes or however long, but if they can take that moment and then make it a practice to observe and have these moments of gratitude in a day, it just changes your life. because it's like if you practice, you start little by little and when you realize that you are having moments of gratitude 100 times a day for everything because that type of seed was planted and then you say: wow! I experience this or I have it and then life suddenly changes because the ordinary becomes extraordinary like the or you know that for us it is ordinary maybe having a football plate for so many people, don't you know well?

The more kind of mindfulness and presence you can bring to a mundane experience, the more extraordinary it becomes, but it's a beautiful book and it's very accessible and like you said, it's simple, it's kind of simple, easy to make, super healthy, let me ask you. This, what is the challenge? the obstacle that you're facing right now that you're trying to overcome this year, like what's coming up for you in the spirit of bringing intentionality into the new year and what you want to manifest and express, you know, I think. I'm always constantly working with patience and being patient and just accepting the moment of things you know for simple things like I have a project or something I'm working on and people aren't moving at the speed I want or I'm doing construction. and as you know, it's supposed to be finished and not yet as you know in whatever area it is.

I think one of the things I'm really working on is not letting outside you know the intensity of whatever's going on outside there's a lot of noise around you there's a lot of noise that has to be difficult if we had more time I'd love to hear more about that but that has to be a challenge, yes There is a lot of noise, so I think the question is how do I see everything and have the patience and compassion also for myself and for others and just being in that space where you know, allowing things to be. what they are and not try to change them and just accept them for what they are and release them and just be and refocus on the things that I can control and keep working on that, that's all. like a day to day continuous yeah it's a day to day uh I can't imagine the exercise and um and I guess you know it's um I can do those things I feel like you know this is happening to me I'm not the kind of person that Why is this happening to me?

I wonder why this is happening to me. There's always an opportunity for me to grow and and and there's always so many, but I think this is just accepting what is, is, is, um. It's kind of something that's in my Consciousness and constantly coming to me every day so that I can exercise patience, compassion for myself and for others and just stay in that, knowing that things are exactly as they meant, just as they are. They are and it is Perfect, everything is perfect as it is, you know well, I need a little more of that in my life too, yes, it's a practice, you know, it's like I haven't achieved it yet, but that's what I'm working on.

I'll let you know if, yes, let me go to the other side. I let you go so thank you very much, it was absolutely lovely, it was great fun meeting you and talking to you, everyone pick up the new book and feed your favorite bookstore. Um, we'll link all of that stuff in the show notes and come back and talk to me again at some point. This is super fun. I'm going to go straight to Arana and get your new shake. Can? That's exactly why you came to praise. who stood up Yesterday he was like four.

She was like, "Oh my God, I ate so much I couldn't even eat dinner last night, but the immune boosters are mutated because, um, Gaia Herbs, I don't know if you know Gaia." Herbs are amazing. I have been using them for 20 years in fact when I was having panic attacks my doctor at the time suggested I take adrenal supplements and how I found out about them 20 years ago it's funny now 20 years Then, here I am, working with them. because I think they're amazing so I wanted to make an immune boosting smoothie and really a great post workout smoothie, something I would like a meal that I could have after a workout so there was like coconut meat in this one. coconut milk um asai you know I grew up in asai I love it so it's a super food there's lukuma of course there's Ed Berry syrup um from Gaia Herbs and I have bananas frozen bananas so it gives a little thickness and um, oh yeah.

I have almond butter almond butter and I also put some collagen in it, some vanilla collagen, so it's kind of delicious, I really feel like you're going to like it, you have to tell me what you think about it later, but it's really delicious, it feels. a dessert, but it's so goodwhich is full of good things, incredible. I have to take out a second mortgage on my house to buy this smoothie, but it's a meal like I promise, once you eat, once you drink, this is literally like a meal, so once you're done you won't be hungry for the last four or five hours, everything will be fine, great, great, thank you very much, that's all for today, thanks for listening.

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