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OJ Simpson Preliminary Hearing - July 6th, 1994 - Part 5

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where my father was, but that I could call someone who knew where he was and who was there. Cathy Randa and who is Cathy Randa. My father's assistant. Alright. Did you have Cathy's phone number? Number from there, not from there. I had to walk out the kitchen door to my car to look for my phone book. Where was your car parked? My car was parked here and could you describe the car? um, now it's a black Saab. I'm pointing to the small marked portion of the driveway that leads to Rockingham Yes, right here my car is parked, bad decisions and after you got your phone or your address book you went back to the kitchen.
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Yes I did and you placed the phone call Yes I did and do you remember what time you placed that car? Quarter to six and you spoke to Cathy Randa. Yes, I do. At this time, did you know why the officers were there? Yes, I was, how did you become? Aware of that, when I was walking to my car, one of the officers followed me and I asked him. I told him I needed to know what was going on and then he told me that Nicole was murdered and someone else was with her. At any point up to this point did any of the officers indicate to you that they were concerned that a suicide or murder may have occurred at the Rockingham facility?
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No, they didn't tell you that they were worried that someone might be hurt or bleeding on the premises. No, they asked you if anything unusual happened the night before. No, you called Cathy Randa, so could you describe the conversation you had with her? I called Cathy and said, Cathy, I have some really horrible news and then I started crying and handed the phone to the detective and the rest of the conversation was with the detective and Cathy. Yes, at the end of that conversation, did you make any other phone calls? Yes, I do. Who else did you go to?
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I called everyone with a c'. And at some point did you leave the kitchen area at this address? Yes, you returned to the room. I returned to my room. I actually made the phone call from my room to AC and at some point you left the premises to retrieve the kids? Where did you go to find Jill? I went to the police station to pick up the kids and you brought them. My thermos immediately returned to the house. At any point during this process did you call Nicole's mother? Yes. I did and you told him the news that I tried to tell him and then the detective ended up telling Judy.
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Now, at some point you were asked to leave the premises at 360 North, swinging. Yes, do you remember what time it was? It had to be around 7:15 7:30 so between 7:15 and 7:30 you had already recovered the children and brought them back to the facility, yes, and the officers at that time asked you to you leave, yes, now at the time the officers arrived between 5:00 and 5:30 in the morning. Was there anyone else in the facility besides you and Kato Kaelin? No, is there a maid who lives on the premises? Yes, there is her and what is her name? Gigi and Gigi were not at the facility.
She now she was not on the premises and why she has two active weekends every weekend so far. Yes, she's fine. Did you explain that to the officers? I think so. I now believe she returned to the facility late the night before. Yes, I do. and where had you been um at a movie and what time did you come back around one o'clock and you were asleep then from one o'clock until the officers woke you up yeah, it was anything that caused you concern about what was going on at the facility during that entire period. yes, you did not notice any strange noises or strange occurrences no, at some point did you tell the officers that they had your permission to search the premises or confiscate any property on the premises no, I did not do so Did any officer at any time tell you asked if he could take any items of property from the premises?
No, how about some documents, letters, envelopes, anything? Yes, at one point, an officer asked me if he could take a UH, an envelope that he had written on. and I said no because it was my bill and I was in the kitchen yes, I was in the kitchen do you remember which officer Officer Lang was? Nothing thanks for Esquire on the night of June 12. Did you go out? at some point that night yes, would you be staying full time at the Rockingham residence at that time? Yes, what time did you leave? He had been out all day.
I left around 10:30 and returned in a moment. You left at 10:30 in the morning, yes, and you returned at 1:00 in the morning, yes, and you had not returned to the house in all that time. Yes, I did when, around 11:30 in the morning or at night, in the morning and you came back at 11:30 for what purpose um I had gone to church and I came home to change and you changed clothes and you left again yes at what time and around 12:30 and then you returned to the house again between 12:30 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. no I didn't so you were away all that time yes you drive the black Saab yes when you got home at 1:00 in the morning you drove that Saab that day yes I do it outside and when you got back did you? did you show up in the driveway?
Yes, I do. Where did you park it? Are you showing us on the defense diagram? Yes, thanks. We need to look at the area that just below that area the word driveway is written on the Rockingham side of the reference. Yes. Now, when the officers first came to your door, they asked you where your father was, that's true, yes, and you indicated to them that I believe he is out of town. Yeah, you weren't sure, so no, you told them I think he said, I think he's out. of the city, but I mean, I knew he was gone, I didn't know where he was, you had a city, did you know when he left?
Yes, I did, did you tell them that? No, I didn't know, did you know when he was due to return? I didn't know where he was staying, no, I didn't, and when they asked you about your father's whereabouts, I guess it involved gasoline, so you wanted, I guess, to find out where he was, yeah, and then you called the officers. so you could find out and maybe get his help if needed, yes, and in order to do that you had to deactivate the alarm because it was on, yes, hmm, when you entered the house, where there are lights on in the house, no I don't remember and the officers asked you to show where the maid's room was.
I don't remember you remembering him asking you about the maid when they had him, you even called them to ask if he was okay or where he stayed, what room he had. No, do you remember showing them where he slept? It's not that you don't remember what might have happened but you don't remember anymore. I don't remember doing that now. In fact, the service bedroom is off the kitchen. Yes, and you remember. the officers asked you if that bedroom was the utility room no, you don't remember any of that no, you remember telling the officers that you were out all night at the movies and you just came back around 1:00 a.m. yes, now Say you explained to the officers that the maid has weekends off.
Yes, it was when you were in the house with them when they asked where the maid was. No, that was when I was walking from my room into the house. They asked me. Someone? more lives here and you said yes to make us yes and when you entered the house they asked where she was at that time no, they asked me outside they said does anyone live here and I said yes I said who I said Gigi so they asked me she here I said no and you were at the house at the time you weren't on your way to the house yes you went to pick up the kids at the police station yes how far was it from where you are going with Rockingham direction hmm well we live in Brooklyn so it's in Santa Monica, um maybe four miles away four miles yeah I miss the mini.
No, I don't really know where, what time did you finally go to sleep last night? home at 1:00 a.m. m. on June 13th what time did you go to sleep maybe around 1:30 and they woke you up only four hours later yes a little tired when they woke up yes yes a little confused seeing the police officers you're doing it, yes, feeling a little exhausted or disoriented seeing them and

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it, yes sir. I, maybe Miss Simpson can resign Liz, don't talk about your testimony, this time I would like to call Captain Lander, she looks at the employee, please, and raises her right hand.
Cathy, she look, Randa is an NDA man, where Miss Randa is an employee of the gentleman. OJ Simpson yes, in what capacity am I his administrative assistant and how long has he been employed as his administrative assistant for almost 20 years and his responsibilities include her scheduling and organizing his travel. Yes, what city do you reside in North Hollywood? California, were you at home on the morning of June 13,

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? Yes, he was and did he get a phone call that morning? And what time did that call come? At approximately 5:45. Now, are you sure about that time? Yes, why is it? sure because when I heard the phone ring as I was running towards the phone I turned on the light and after picking up the phone I could see the watch I picked it up it's unusual to get a call so early in the morning very unusual and who was calling mr.
Simpson's daughter, I know, and what did she say? Well, she was pretty hysterical and just said Cathy, a detective wants to talk to you, Detective, and then she got on the phone with me and the technical detective told her why she was calling. No, what did she say? talk she asked me if I knew where mr. He was able to locate Simpson, what did you tell him? I asked him if the kids were okay and he didn't answer and I asked him again and he didn't answer and I kept asking and finally he said the kids were okay but he should get in touch.
Sir. he said immediately and what did he say to her then? Then I gave him the phone number of the hotel in Chicago where Mr. Simpson was on a business trip now. Is this a business trip that had been arranged in advance? Yes, how far in advance approximately two months two months before the guests. Was this business related to his association with the Hertz corporation? Yes, he was and did you give him the information? detective the phone number where mr. Simpson could be located in Chicago. I did it. At the end of the conversation he said that he promised he would call me back.
Did he call you back? No, you received another phone call shortly after. I did and who was that cold friend. Sir. Simpson, can you tell us what time that call came in, which took about five minutes and was made by Mr. Simpson indicates that he will arrive safely. At what time did he complete his telephone conversation with mr. Simpson I would say two minutes is very short, it was still before the six o'clock delivery, nothing thanks for hmm, okay, thank you very much, please do not discuss his testimony with mr. Ulman, oh, I assumed he had arrived, yes, you have the honor of him as to his testimony that we would renew our application under section 866 of the Penal Code for an offer of fruit.
I think that if they were going to offer me that is what the lawyer indicated previously. so there is nothing relevant in his testimony my club license 866 relates to the presentation of a confirmatory defense at a

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hearing is not a lie. I have believed 2:15 38.5 shock primitive evidence but what is the nature of the testimony I hope to ultimately get wrong to show? the nature of the investigative activity that was taking place at the facility and how that relates to the issues in this case TV Well, your honor, essentially our position is that the offices searched the facility prior to the time they had got everything right, just uh, I mean, I don't think that's really a problem, although I mean I think his motivation is Ashley apparently and are you saying that somehow Mr.
Funds is going to serve as testimony somehow going to influence the existence or non-existence of exigent circumstances at the time they entered the place no, your honor will relate to the purpose of the actual evidence, you will describe the nature of the activity you were carrying out in terms of collection, although there was evidence obtained from Detective Vannatter regarding calling the criminalist and waiting. for the Kremlin to arrive and something about an alleged test carried out. I think it was the stain on the Bronco, so it seems to me that in general it might be relevant to the issues, so I'll let him call me in case the employee can bring up the issue with him. hand sir stay inside Hoover my name is Dennis Fung from n ni s fu ng you man Thank you mr.
Fung, could you tell us his occupation? I am a criminalist and who does he work for? I am an employee of the city of Los Angeles. Los Angeles Police De

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ment. Okay, could you tell us what a criminologist is? A criminalist is someone who collects evidence. he analyzes it and presents his conclusion before a court of law

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