Missing MH370 mystery: New search for wreckage confirmed | Reality Check

Hello, welcome back to

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. I'm Ross Cart and this week we're not looking at UFOs, but rather we're investigating a very intriguing aviation

mystery

that I've found fascinating for the past 10 years. It's coming back to life after a company called Deep Sea Vision says they found the Aelia Aarts plane in the Pacific. Now the company's CEO, Tony Romeo, says they are going to find flight MH370, Malaysian Airlines' commercial passenger plane, a gigantic Tri 7 Boe 224 feet long and 60 tons high, and on March 8. In 2014 it simply disappeared along with the 239 people on board, including 12 crew members, so how does a commercial passenger plane disappear?

And, of course, this whole story has sparked countless conspiracy theories. I think the bigger the

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, the more likely it is that there is a conspiracy theory now we are talking at a time when there is talk of a new

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there are

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companies that are contacting Malaysian airlines in the hope that The airline agrees to conduct a new search. Previously, there have been two major searches that cost hundreds of millions of dollars and neither of those official searchers found a single scar from the plane. What has been found over the years have been extraordinary pieces of the plane, supposedly including pieces that appear to come from the plane's right wing, a fin and others. much of the aircraft and these have been analyzed and assessed as most likely coming from MH370, but as you will hear today there is even a question mark about that, let's start first, it is not quite a complex case, strange as it may seem, but it is not complex.

I find it intriguing. The official investigation. The official search for the plane began with the premise that the plane had made a 180-degree turn in the middle of the South China Sea and was tracked on radar. Its last radar points showed it leaving Malaysian airspace. and heading towards the southern Indian Ocean on a trajectory that was later

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by beeps from an inmarine satellite that communicated with the plane's engines, experts later assessed that the plane disappeared along the so-called seventh arc, which is a long line of the Southern Indian Ocean that ends somewhere parallel to Perth, Western Australia.

Now what intrigues me about this whole case is that there is now a question mark over whether the assumptions that were made that drove the original search for MH370 were based on a correct assumption. The assumption that was made at the time was that there was no nothing sinister in this case involving the crew or the pilot in particular. The suggestion was that the pilots had somehow been incapacitated, perhaps by fire, and that the plane continued for some reason on autopilot until it ran out of fuel along that seventh arc in the southern Indian Ocean and then it slowly spiraled out of control and crashed into the sea never to be seen again, which is what drove many of the assumptions that drove the official search.

Now, over the years, there has been what is called an independent group of investigators, some very reputable scientists and researchers who have come together to analyze what they believe happened to the Jet and, upon further analysis, There is a growing suspicion that this may very well be the case. that there was a rogue pilot scenario, whether it was Captain Zahari Shar or his co-pilot or someone else, someone who is suspected of having actually tried to take control of the plane, perhaps blocking the co-pilot and then controlling the landing of that plane later. ran out of fuel after the plane slid far beyond the existing search area and landed very precariously, of course, on the surface of the Indian Ocean, now theory holds that this is why the plane is in great part in one piece, probably at the bottom of the Indian Ocean and why large pieces of this plane, including God forbid, bodies and other remains, were not found in large quantities when official searches were carried out.

Now I did a story about that controlled landing scenario which at the time was very unpopular and contrary to what they thought. The Australian investigators were pushing and I pushed through the services, assistance and advice of a guy named Larry Vance, who is a former Canadian air accident investigator who worked for the Canadian Transportation Safety Bureau and the theory Larry's is the one I think is the most likely. Theory based on Oam's razor principle that the simplest explanation for why the plane has not been found in the existing search area is that for some reason a pilot took control of the plane and waited until it ran out fuel and planned it beyond the existing search area and consistent with the beeps coming back to a satellite saying the plane was in the southern Indian Ocean, they somehow landed the plane on the ocean surface and only a few pieces selected parts of that plane became detached during landing. and that those are the pieces that were later found on the other side of the Indian Ocean.

In my opinion, that is Oam's current most plausible theory about Razer, as everyone will know that there are many conspiracy theories about the MH370 and I cannot do justice to all of them here are many people who have spent days, weeks, years proposing alternative theories, but there is a person I respect who has done what I think is good journalism to put your foot down and her name is Flor Shi. A Hong Kong-based journalist for the Leemond newspaper, Florance has done excellent work examining much of the early evidence before the plane supposedly turned around and disappeared from the South China Sea and has put together a theory in her book that suggests that the plane was in fact taken over or shot down by the US military in a conspiracy to try to prevent valuable equipment from reaching the Chinese government.

Now I am extremely skeptical about this theory. I want to be honest about this and I have been skeptical to a fault. in the interview, but I think it is important to leave this theory hanging because Florance raises some critical questions that have remained unanswered to this day, suggestions from previous distress calls that have not been adequately added by Malaysian investigators, the government or the government. police the suggestion that there were undeclared cars on board the plane that had not been properly inspected and I must say it strains my credibility that a plane as large as this could largely disappear without Trace.

I think we have to consider all possibilities and today we are going to hear first from Larry Vance and then from Florance to Shi and I want you, the viewer, to be the judge. I want you to let me know what you think because it is very likely that there will be a new search for MH370. I think it is very possible that the Malaysian government will make an announcement in the coming weeks and one can only sincerely hope that we finally get an answer as to what happened in this tragic event. I have interviewed relatives who lost loved ones on the plane and it is a pain for them that still hurts to this day, 10 years later, so now let's get into the mystery of what happened to MH370.

Today you will hear from one of the former principal investigators of the transport investigation board, TSB, Transport. safety board of Canada Larry Vance Larry I think he has 18 years of experience in air crash investigation and he led the investigation into the Swiss Air 111 crash which I think has direct relevance to the crash that we're talking about today in Malaysia. Airlines MH370 case, so let's include you in Larry. I don't want to say definitively that I accept your theory, but I think that if we are working on the principle of Oams' razor, I have long thought that the explanation you give for the MH370 accident - the loss of MH370 - is the most plausible in the absence of Other evidence available, there are many conspiracy theories circulating on the web and indeed in reputable TV shows and books that suggest a broader conspiracy, so I thought that as a starting point is important. come back to you because when you and I did our first story we didn't have all the data, we didn't have all the evidence that is now being collected and what I find intriguing is that you have now written a book that basically summarizes an enormous amount of evidence that leads the investigation further, so let's start, Larry, with what you think happened to MH370 all those 10 years ago.

Give me a reduced version of what you think happened on that terrible night when that happened. They had already retired me. transportation safety board here in Canada and was working with some very professional investigators as a consultant still in the air accident investigation business. You ask what happened and I can tell you what happened on that particular night that the captain implemented a plan that he had that had been developed over a period of time in which he was going to make that plane disappear never to be seen again and took steps that were well rehearsed to make this happen at the beginning of the event so far. like the plane, uh, goes off radar and stuff or goes off transponder and he took the plane to the most remote area he could find, which is in the southern Indian Ocean, and to make the plane disappear, he intentionally set it to that he could throw it to the surface of the ocean so as not to leave anything in the way, airplane debris, etc., his intention was to take it to a place where no one would ever find it and no one would know what happened.

That's Ross, that's what happened, let's go over why it's not plausible, Larry, that the reason those systems failed, the reason the transponder stopped working, the reason the cars stopped working It's because there was some kind of fire. dashboard or some type of electrical or mechanical malfunction that caused the plane to lose those systems, right? I'm trying to give the pilot a chance here. Isn't it possible that they were incapacitated in some way and that maybe a fire shut down these electrical systems, all you have to accept is that it happens at the end of the flight and people have to understand that the plane was abandoned in the ocean with the flaps extended and was abandoned at low speed with the intention of making the plane sink without releasing any debris, once you accept that then you should know Ross that this had to have been done intentionally, the only person who could do it would be the pilot who would do it.

Do that intentionally, let me take you to what you consider to be some of the key evidence that has been recovered from this aircraft that people associate with MH370. I'm talking here, let's start with the fleron. We know that a fleron was recovered from Reunion Island. and it hasn't been definitively linked, but it suggests it comes from MH370, it's a Boeing 7 flapper. What is it and why is it significant? You argue the idea that a dishonest pilot landed this plane in the ocean to try to hide it. was ever discovered when the flamethrower arm was discovered, just

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it out when I first saw it in the media. um, I thought, wow, this flaperon isn't from a plane that was in a high-speed dive like the Swiss one that was in a stall. -fast dive the surfaces the leading edge of the flon uh was what we would call Pristine, the top and bottom surfaces were pristine now of course I'm talking about the aerodynamic shape of them etc. but the important thing is of course , which were emergencies, the flatron was eroded.

You're using a leading edge term, so let's say the plane was in a spiral dive, the leading edge is the front part of that wing, essentially if the plane had hit the nose of the ocean, the leading edge would have been the first part of the fleron to hit the ocean, what do you see on that leading edge and why is it not consistent with a controlled ditching of the aircraft as you suggest? I was right, that's what I was saying, that's the leading edge that stays at zero either way, there's basically no damage to it, uh, if a plane hits at a speed as high as that, my god, the front wing of that fla Ron would simply be destroyed and then and then not only would there be contact between the pieces that were destroyed in front of him with the leading edge of the fla Ron, the fla Ron itself would come into contact. with the water you you and and it would all be sunk in fact that piece of fla Ron wouldn't even exist in the way we see it it wouldn't even exist in that form It would be uh, it would have already disappeared.

I really want to focus on the front part of the fleron leading edge first. Now I want to talk about the trailing edge in case of a controlled abandonment. You're positing that in the case. The flaperons on a controlled landing normally sit when in flight hidden inside the wing to some extent, but when it comes to a landing I want you to talk to me about what you see on what's called the trailing edge of that flapper on the that if there was a water landing, it would be the trailing edge that was literally dragging in the water that would be making contact with thewater, what do you see on the trailing edge of that fin and why is that relevant to the issue of whether or not there was a controlled sinking into the ocean.

I know this may seem complex to our audience, but I think it's absolutely crucial to understanding why I think Larry Vance's theory makes a lot of sense if you look at that trail. Edge, what do you see, Larry, and tell me about a controlled abandonment, what happens in a controlled abandonment and how would I explain what you see on that rear Edge in a controlled abandonment, the flaps would extend, they would be down, uh, everyone knows what flaps ? It looks like when the pilot extends them, you do it for landing and the flaps go down under the wing if they're in aerodynamic combat flight, which is where they would be in a high speed dive, so, uh, that does that. a symmetrical wing, so to speak, but when you lower the flaps, what you're basically doing is increasing lift, but you're putting this big barn door, if you will, behind the wing, now if you can imagine the airplane in normal mode.

Landing attitude or ditching attitude and the airplane approaching the surface for ditching or you could translate that into a landing, if you wish. What would happen is the bottom of the flaps there would start hitting the water and of course that puts tremendous force down and around the back of the flaps and when you see the damage to the flaps is very consistent. with those fins being drug through the water and being eaten by the force of the impacts with the water and the water coming down and surrounding the underside of the fins basically ate them away.

The Australian investigators responded to their finding that the trailing edge damage was caused by water compression and I find it very plausible in the way the Australian investigators suggested that it was a flapping incident in which, as the plane was in a spiral fall in his scenario, he ran out of fuel at 38,000 feet or however high he was and entered a slow spiral fall accelerating and finally hitting the ocean. His suggestion is that the flapper flapping and that the vibrations caused by that dramatic and aggressive flapping caused that damage to the right trailing edge. I go through a couple of pages from my book to describe why this is not consistent with flutter and it has to do with damage to the inflation itself when when you have when you have flutter then you have bumps between the pieces you have damage bumps bang bang bang bang thousands thousands of pounds of hits uh that we don't see any evidence of uh you have um the inside in flutter you have the surfaces that shake up and down up and down up and down uh the whole fin and fin Rong going up and down up and down below it makes cracks in the paint that we don't see uh if the flap fin piece and the Ron flap came loose and fell into the ocean, they would be free falling at about 100 thousand per hour, it would cause damage to those, you would see, you would see corner damage, you would see corner damage.

Leading Edge from impact with water, even from a free fall, uh, it's not feasible that there could be flapping now, that's not the only explanation for that, Ross, we have a lot of evidence that speaks to the fact that at that time In At the moment of abandonment of the plane, a force was created along the trailing edge of the wing that forced these pieces together and we see them come together in a crushing motion, it didn't hit, it's not consistent with flapping at all, still they were there. The pieces were still there when the plane entered the water;

They couldn't have fallen first and then still be there at the end just doesn't make any sense. I think it's important for our audience to understand how a pilot would have done this. So I don't know who he was, but we assume it was one of the pilots, possibly Captain Zahari. He had an impeccable record, I was told, but perhaps Malaysian Airlines and perhaps the Malaysian governments were not as frank with us as they should have been. It's about what they know about one or both pilots, we just don't know and we really won't know definitively until the plane is found, which is why the search is so important, but to give your theory the full explanation, I want you to explain to me To explain the scenario as you see it, paint me a verbal picture of what you think happened in those final moments on the plane.

I think that was when the pilot was approaching where he was going in the first place. I think the pilot had a specific location in mind, in fact, if you follow the entire scenario, there is absolutely no reason why he wouldn't have chosen a specific location in the ocean where he wanted to hide the plane he wanted to be. in an area where he could go down, he wanted to be in an area where he could go down and not be seen by ships on the surface of the ocean, he chose that area specifically because there are very few ocean vessels in that area.

I wanted to be in a place that would probably be forever or forever whichever way I was thinking about it that wouldn't be explored the bottom of the ocean wouldn't be explored there's no reason to go out there in that in that remote area with all the topography in the bottom of the ocean no one is going to go out and extract minerals and stuff, it's just not practical, so I wanted to put it where there are mountains, valleys, hills, canyons, etc. where no one is going to come find him by accident, so he had a specific location in mind and he knows that he wants to abandon the plane intentionally, he is going to abandon the plane so that in his mind there is no floating debris. from the plane because as soon as he wanted it gone, he never wanted it to be known.

After he came off the primary radar, he could have gone anywhere for any reason. He wanted it to go away, no doubt, so now he's at cruising altitude and he's implementing his plan, he says, "Okay, now I have to go down," he probably wants to go down relatively quickly because he doesn't want to travel to a big area where there are potential from where it could be observed. On the ground, he saw a plane as big as that descending and you were on a ship. You'd probably report that to someone, so he wants to get down relatively quickly, he wants to get down before he runs out of gas because he knows.

He wants to configure the plane and have full control over it because that is the configuration he would like to be in to have the best chance of landing the plane for a successful ditch landing, so he configures the plane for the ditch landing which starts. his descent uh on the way down he determines what is the best direction he can he can land according to the waves and the swell and so on in the direction of the wind he wants to land in the wind if he can, he evaluates all this he lowers the flaps of course he leaves the landing gear up he may as well have turned on the Apu the auxiliary power unit in the tail because he knows that when he lands the landing gear is going to be up but the engines are going to hit first, they will stop if he has the Apu running , then you will be able to maintain better control of the plane, you will have some hydraulic system, etc., better steerability is the auxiliary power unit, can you explain? the Apu for our audience, yes the Apu, the auxiliary power unit is in the tail, it has its air intake above the stabilizer in the back and the exhaust is also up there, so it would still run in a ditch until that he finally did it. it goes into the water and provides tires and electricity and basically gives you control over the plane.

His concern would be twofold if he ran out of fuel before reaching the surface, giving him some chance or a better chance. and then the other thing is that once you landed on the water, if you still had U the Apu, which would give you some hydraulics and in theory you would have better control over the last few seconds of the flight anyway, regardless that you are trying to do it. He comes down to the surface now he has the plane configured for ditching he reduces speed to the chosen ditching speed he has rehearsed all this he enters the water of course the flaps come in uh and we know what I know what happened I put it in the book, the right wing got caught in a swell or wave and caused the right wing to dig in anyway.

Now he descends to the surface of the ocean and, as far as he is concerned, his abandonment is complete. He, his attempt was not to let go of any part of the plane. It wasn't successful, thank God, it wasn't because we got pieces of flap and flap, Ron and some other pieces that we can put together to try that. Actually, that's what happened, Larry. There is no getting around the fact that what you posit is an incredible insult to the reputation of Captain Zahari, who is the prime suspect in his book. There is absolutely no public evidence anywhere to suggest that Zahari suffered from mental illness or that he had malicious motives toward the airline or anyone to justify what is essentially an act of mass murder, killing himself and a compliment.

Of 239 people on that plane, why the hell did he do this? If this is true, it is a horrible act. of murder suicide where is the evidence that suggests he had a motive for wanting to do this right? I cover that reason in my book and the way I explain it in the book is the way I will explain it to you. The fact is that he did it the evidence shows that he did it and the fact that someone uh the fact that there's no reasonable explanation for why he did it doesn't cancel out the fact that it happened and the fact that he did it I want to. get into The Nitty-gritty of the Evidence now that at the time you and I met all we really knew was fleron.

You know that the fleron was the only piece of evidence that had been recovered at that time and you were able to come to a definitive conclusion. Even then I concluded that you believed this was a controlled abandonment, but in the years since you and I first spoke, other pieces of debris have been collected and discovered that almost certainly belong to MH370 and one of them, for example, is a recovered object. flap section of the same right wing, outboard, uh, it's the flapper, it's a 15 t by 6 t piece of the wing flap. What I found interesting is that again there is no damage to its leading edge, which, as you have pointed out, is the edge that would have been most damaged if the plane had entered the ocean nose-first, but it is also damaged again on the trailing edge of that piece of wing.

¿Why is it so important? Just explain it to me please, yes, for the same reason it's important. in the fla Ron uh the um the leading edge on the flap piece would be tucked into the wing in a high speed dive crash it would be tucked into the wing uh the wing in front of it would disintegrate in that A split second of the that we talked about, in fact, if you do the calculations from the front of the wing to the trailing edge of the wing, it would take 04 seconds. I think that's what the entire wing has been completely. destroyed and then and then uh it just doesn't make any sense that in a high speed dive that piece of flap could exist in the conditions we found it in and then of course on the trailing edge we see the erosion or breakage of pieces very consistent with the fact that this was washed away in the same way that we talked about the fla Ron in your book, you talk about internal reinforcements inside the wing, those are the things that are used to help. make the wing stiff and strong and you've described in your book how if there had been a high speed crash, a spiral crash into the ocean at super super high speed, those pieces of the wing, if you will, would show deformation of the external rigidity that was. consistent with a front to back a front after the collision, you don't see that in those internal reinforcements, in that type of high speed dive crash, the wings would not survive and would look like a wing, the flap would not survive.

If it didn't survive and look like a flap, the fla Ron wouldn't survive or look like a fla Ron, it just, it just wouldn't happen, uh again, does the math make it 04 of a second for that thing to hit something that would cause such destruction? As non-compressible water, I think it will help our audience to look at some of the photographs that were taken of the debris and to look at some of the so-called witness marks that you talk about and in one of the photographs. There is a V-shaped VAP black spot witness mark on that section of the recovered outer fin, so it is like a black spot and for anyone who is a fan of seeing that you wouldn't give it a second thought, but you have attached an enormous amount of significance to that spot, why do you think that spot is significant?

There is a rub strip that they build into the side of the uh fla Ron to basically fill that little gap between it and the flap and these black V shaped marks that you see there were created when this rub strip was forced in with a very strong force. , very tall, she forced herself to be squeezed between fin and fin. There's a dynamic there with the architecture, but basically when we studied where these b-shaped marks were located in relation to each other uh, the only thing that allows me to put it this way, the only conclusion we could draw was that the fins had to extend , the fin and the fin, Ron had to extend himself so that they were created in the exact place where they were.

I want to go now to two other pieces of

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that are twins on each side of the plane and that were also recovered. They fixed panels that were in front of thefleron of both wings. What do those fixed panels show? That's consistent with your theory of controlled abandonment. Well, what we see on the twin pieces, what I call in my book the twin pieces, is that they're both on the top surface of the wing, right in front of the fin, what? What it shows us is that when that airplane was flying over the surface of the water, both the Ron flaps and the flap sections on both the left and right sides were being dragged through the water in the same way that we would see if we would have themSimilar damage to the trailing edge of the flap and the flapper on the left side.

What happened was that pressure built up in the flaps and flaperon. These twin pieces were exposed to extreme pressure because those are the points where those pieces are attached to the wing and the stress there simply caused those two pieces to explode and come off the top of the wing, one on one side and one on the other. , and became part of the floating debris. the minimum number of pieces of floating debris, so what that shows us, Ross, is that the plane was basically at wing level when it was when it was undergoing abandonment control, it was wing level that I just want pose with you.

There is a lot of stuff on the plane that is not seen in any of the recovered debris, there are no personal effects, no luggage and obviously sadly no bodies, one would have expected to have seen a lot of floating material even if it was on disintegrated form due to a high speed accident and your crucial point is that everything you are seeing in the evidence that has been collected is consistent with a controlled sinking to the ocean surface. Well, you can take each piece that was identified. by the official investigation and explains that piece with a control uh, it's quite surprising.

I explain it in the book and there are pieces of the inside of the Fus whip, so we know that the Fus whip had to have been broken and and where that had to have happened was in the defeat of the white wing of the right wing, all that Strength in all the stretch eventually caused the trailing edge of the right wing to force its way into the rifle and parts visible from inside the plane. There had to be commot there, except for the R1 door, the main door, which we believe the R1 door actually opened due to the distant stresses of this wing being forced backwards, etc., and the U nose.

The image of the plane falling into the water looks as if the right R1 door was open, but these pieces from the inside of the Fus cut had to have come out through the cavity made when the rear part of the right wing broke off. in the rifle that's what we think happened there it's been 10 years Larry a full decade since this plane disappeared it's the biggest mystery in modern aviation it's just extraordinary that a passenger plane of this size with so many people on board 239 souls can disappear and not be I found H How important is it?

Do you think we'll get an answer? Can you definitively prove the truth of what you claim happened to MH370? TRUE? Ross. I think the title of my book is part of the answer. From my book the mystery of MH370 is solved. I think there is enough evidence to show exactly what happened to the plane. I don't think there is any doubt that there is that amount of evidence if it is analyzed carefully and methodically to show what happened. I don't think the plane is the biggest mystery in the world at all I think that that mystery is solved why it happened why it happened it is not solved because that can only be solved if the pilot comes up with a motivation This is not complicated at all Ross , it was not difficult at all for this pilot to make that plane disappear.

It would be very complicated if it was in fact some kind of accident, it would take a very complicated series of events for an accident to cause this plane to disappear, all the things that we know happened even on radar and primary radar, etc., where did it go? with all the pings etc, all of that would be extremely complicated if you accept the The fact that this pilot did the event on his own is not complicated at all, in fact it is easy to do Larry, yes, I can't say definitively that I accept your theory, but I certainly think that, based on Oams' razor principle, it is perhaps The most plausible theory of all that I struggle with is the motivations of the pilot and, frankly, I have suspicions that Malaysia and Malaysian Airlines were never completely be honest with the public and with investigators in Australia about the extent of what they know about what happened.

I don't know if we'll ever know the answer until the

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of that plane is found, but I want to thank you for giving us your theory today and I really sincerely appreciate you giving us your time. Thank you very much Ross. It's very nice to talk to you, so now I would like to welcome Florance Des, the eminent investigative reporter for a major French newspaper. Leemond Florence has written a fascinating book called Disappearing Act The Impossible Case of MH370 and I think the title itself demonstrates this. We both share the frustration of not knowing for sure what really happened to MH370, so Florance would love it if you could tell me what you think happened to MH370 10 years ago, on March 8, 2014, I think without going into details. details because I'm still working on it and my published scenario has changed to some extent but in short the plane did not disappear it disappeared that story is not incredible it is just not credible and people should stop talking about a mystery because if it is something it is a secret and it's not a mystery this is my general approach to this story you know and from very early on I began to realize that it was simply an insult to human intelligence to claim that we could lose a b 7 and 239 people, well that's obviously it's a great decision, but let's go over in detail what you think happened to MH370.

I think you are actually suggesting that the Americans may be complicit in some way and this is what I find difficult to accept in colluding not only with the Malaysians and other governments in the South China Sea area, but also the Chinese, just Explain to me your conspiracy theory and explain to me why you think it has credibility. We're jumping into the last, very, very, last stages of me and my research. I didn't get there lightly or quickly, you know originally when I covered the story in March 2014 for my newspaper and you were there too, after a week or so or 10 days later, I left once they found the large debris in in the southern Indian Ocean and they seem quite confident and everyone agreed on the official narrative, only I, like everyone else, believed what they told us because there were big authorities telling us that we knew big governments, including the White House and very good companies like Marat, so all the means by which we had the satellite images seemed to say: well, the plane is there and it took me years to go through everything step by step and when I finally reached a moment of crisis that I think it's coming. 240 or about that time in the morning, remember the plane left about 40 minutes after midnight, so two hours into the flight, that's the time I think the plane found its destination, let's say it stayed a little open and vague and um that.

The moment happened very, I mean, most likely on the Road to Beijing um and then what exactly happened then I'm still not sure and uh I wrote a scenario where we rely on a bunch of corroborating evidence and we can analyze all of them at that moment and So you'll see why and I'm sorry, it's a very long answer to your question, but when I saw this happen there I thought, "Okay, it's basically almost in Chinese airspace now, who could be responsible for that, who can handle a B 7". Nowadays and in the world we live in, logically it can only be a very great power Malaysia does not have the means to disappear a b Tri 7 Vietnam does not have the means to disappear a b 7 so let's just think that it is either the United States or China and if we find out that it's not them or the others, we'll go to the Russians, we'll go to the North Koreans, you know, and all the other usual suspects, but because of what we're dealing with, let's look at China and and um and the United States and that's where I started looking at the relationship between these two powerhouses in these days uh in the next few days and that's where I found some incredible evidence and I present it to anyone who knows how these two PEs.

It means power and people and countries deal with each other and say oh wow, actually now that I see, you know what happened between the presidents. I started with the presidents, you know, it's the most obvious one, how she and Barack Obama talk to each other to really. The meetings had the calls that they had and it really seems that one is behaving like the culprit and one is behaving like the one who is in a position to negotiate what happened and so I came to the conclusion that it seems to me that the United States is the culprit and plus, obviously, the fact that the United States has not contributed at all with any of its phenomenal means to achieve this.

There is something general in your book that suggests that the United States was responsible that there was collusion because there was a military exercise involving American forces and other allied forces around the South China Sea that particular night there was wax in position Airborne uh planes early warning system with very sophisticated technology and you speculate that those AWX may have been used to somehow jam any transmission from MH370 and in fact in your book you even suggest that they may have used prototype laser weapons to shoot down the plane. There was actually information in the local newspaper the next day that the plane had issued what they called code Tango this is in the Malaysian press another pilot mentioned that zahari, I mean zahari, we don't know, but mh37 zero uh had issued the code Tango Tango is what Malaysia Airline uses to inform everyone that the plane is being hijacked, so this is very worrying because if MH370 managed, despite what happened to it, to tell the company that it was being kidnapped, it is already a big warning sign, that number that basically the cockpit, the captain and the co-pilot are not responsible, they are. victims in some ways, so Kango, by the way, has been ignored pretty quickly, but he's still on the record, he's there and then.

I also had access to the official police investigation where they mention it and where they control some of the pilots they heard. the code Tango so that's one thing, let's go over the key allegation the key allegation that is central to the allegation that the plane is in the southern Indian Ocean is very much now the idea that is being pushed by Malaysian Airlines privately by my government privately and in fact A growing opinion among investigators that the plane was taken by a rogue pilot, perhaps under a controlled guided glide beyond the known search area or the described search area and landed in a area of ​​the Indian Ocean far beyond where it is currently being searched.

Do you think about the accusations against Captain Zahari? What did you find on the ground? Because I want to give you credit for the fact that you talked to members of your family. You got your boots dirty and you went in there and did some digging. What did you do? I found it right when I decided that he was going to revisit the story for the first anniversary, I really thought that Captain Zahari was key to the whole story and he needed to have a clear identification. I mean, everyone knows that a human person, even the best ones, can do it. be converted um and there were all these accusations like we said so I thought first of all in that story I needed to have a clear idea of ​​who this pilot is and I went to kumur again once again with almost that in mind.

Of course, I met some of the families, in fact last week I saw some of them that I met 10 years ago basically and we reminded each other of the meeting we had at that time, but Zahari I started with some members of his family and then I met to colleagues. about him and I met people who were in school with him when I was little and I met some people who decided to make a Facebook to honor him, etc. and at every meeting I would discover one person who wasn't just a good kind of average guy because you know, he had, I mean, number one, he was very passionate about his flying, there's no doubt that when he's not flying, He does it in a simulator or he is instructing or he is playing with airplanes over the lake.

He loves it too. do it yourself, you know, fixing an air conditioner, his sister told me that he also loved to cook and that he often cooked for her and that she was married to a Chinese man, which also shows that it was a very open relationship . family with mentality he was the last of nine brothers um he was the only one and they made fun of him in his family because he was the only one who did not go to university being only a pilot even though they came from a very modest family. uh, family background first of all, but eventually they all did very good studies.

I mean, everything I found was convincing to make me understand that he was a very good person. What happened to Dey's evidence. It just seems thatHe disappeared. It is not like this? Yes, the rubble. The evidence was just a few things, you know, at one point it was like a door and then there was also the large debris that the Chinese satellites detected and that was immediately discarded. You may remember some very large ones, which were more than the size. from the wing of an airplane and Shamin Usin at that moment said oh, they have shared these images by mistake and I said, uh, it's not exactly the Chinese style to share satellite images by mistake, but that's how it was, this was pushed. aside very quickly and um, yes, and another thing that is also interesting is that there were many Witnesses on the east coast of Malaysia who claimed during that night that they heard very strange noises, some of them say that they had seen fragments of fire. falling from the sky uh another described uh a noise like a tsunami another I described a plane that was flying very low and I already identified where this plane was going.

It wasn't flying at all, uh, at full speed, um, but actually it was probably going to Hatai um airport in Thailand. I mean, there are a lot of things. Surely it happens that night in that place because and we have these Witnesses, you know that they have nothing to lose, they are simple people who do not want to lie for the sake of lying. If they go and report to the police the next day, it is because they saw what they saw and they are not sure. what it is, but they feel the need to share because they think maybe they have a little bit of truth, so yeah, we have a lot of things. happening in that part of the world, so let's talk about the evidence that people like, for example, Canadian accident investigator Larry Vance used to suggest that there was a controlled landing of MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean with the flaperon in July 2015 in Reunion Island.

Just near Maius in the southern Indian Ocean, a large piece of fleron was discovered that supposedly belonged to the right wing of MH370 and showed what Larry Vance alleges is clear evidence of water on the trailing edge of the flap. it would have connected with the water in the event of an ocean landing and shows what he suggests is an abrasion on the edge of that trailing edge consistent with the flap extending and landing on the ocean surface. Now for his theory. to be correct, let's be very clear about this, you would have to suggest, don't you think that that flaperon was a plant that was not actually from MH370 and was planted there as part of this conspiracy?

Do you agree, first of all, that the simple fact that this flon landed in reunion 500 days later and basically 5,000 kilometers in a straight line should already have stopped anyone from believing for a second that this could be from MH370 if the accident It happened where they told us it crashed. Don't know. I know if you remember, but after 50 days, Tony Abbot, the Australian Prime Minister at the time, had said, well, I'm very sorry, but now let's be reasonable. You know, in 50 days things will obviously be flooded, even the pieces that float the most. like seeds because these composite fuselage pieces etc float a little bit because they're pretty light, but they're not meant to float forever let alone when they're broken pieces like this, right?

In the fiercest ocean on the planet, you know, with waves we've ever seen, so I'm a sailor too. I've seen some big waves, probably not as bad as that, but waves that are 15 M high, so this. piece should have lasted more or less two winters in the southern Indian Ocean and have traveled these 5,000 kilometers. I figured I had to do something like seven or 10 miles a day in a straight line to get to the meeting, which doesn't make sense, another one I find. It's interesting and I see that this raises a question for me: there is new research by Australian researchers on the bical life of the shellfish that were found in the pheron and it is not consistent with the growth of barnacles in the pheron.

It's pretty definitive. It is not consistent with the growth of Barnacle that should have occurred in the fleron. If it had drifted from a shipwreck on the 7th Arc in the Sou Southern Ocean for 16 months, there should have been much more Barnacle life growth and the Australian researchers are saying that is consistent with only about four months growth, it's something What you have an opinion on in the same technical report that the French did, they mentioned something else that is very problematic related to these Barnacles and it's not the size issue, it's the shape. they grew on the flao, which is not entirely consistent with the way the flao is supposed to float, so the piece is supposed to float with a certain well waterline, even though it's obvious that, you know, it's bubbling and changing a little bit, but still and we see it with the garbage that you see in the sea you see a clear line of where things are under the water and where uh things are exposed to the air and in that case they say that the growth of the barnacles is not consistent with the way the thing floated, it makes you think that maybe when they tried to grow these poor barnacles, they probably placed the flao in a position that wasn't entirely natural.

I mean, it's shocking to read all that. You don't know, I don't know exactly what to do with it, but it's clearly not consistent with an original piece that landed there by accident if it really was an American operation and you speculate that it was aimed at stopping very valuable cargo. cargo of some kind aboard Malaysian airlines was delivered to Beijing, you speculate it could have even been drone technology from Afghanistan, since Afghanistan was being quietly shut down, wouldn't that be more plausible than if the Americans had wanted to stop a plane like that? They could have simply prevented the cargo from getting on the plane at Quala Lumpa, why did they have to go through the complicated effort of supposedly shooting down a plane in the Gulf of Thailand and then collude with China, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia and other countries in this huge war? cover-up to hide the downing of a plane no, I completely agree and towards my conclusion when I try to solve this hypothetical scenario just based on what I have, I am the first to admit that there are loose ends here, things uh it doesn't add up but what I believe it may have happened and I had exactly the same question as yours you know if they wanted to stop it it would have been much easier to prevent it from starting and also this operation seems so sophisticated that I don't think it could have been improvised, it's not that I just found out that this load she's gone, we should stop her because you can't reasonably do that in a matter of 40 minutes, you can't scramble.

Planes have people. on the ground ready to receive it, I have the airport open at night to allow the Boeing to land, etc., but what I thought was probably planned was an interception operation which yes, in fact, that operation was planned once the plane arrived right between the two airspaces. They inform him that he should go there. It lands once it lands, they take out the cargo. I noticed that this load was actually the last one in, so the first one out is easy to get out and the doors close. The people who escort or not escort this cargo leave at that moment. time or get back on the plane, the plane takes off again, arrives maybe 20 or 40 minutes late to Beijing, which is a non-event because planes very often arrive late, if people ask questions, we say there was a heart attack in Business.

End of story class, this would have been a well, this would have been a mission accomplished, a slightly sophisticated intercept, but this happened, an operation that would have been executed perfectly now, as I imagine, assuming I'm guessing at the fact that maybe captain zahari is a very principled and very experienced pilot may have refused to follow orders once he was told to please now go and land there and we just have to do something and he will be fine after that , he may have resisted the order which is possible and consistent with his character and I asked him, I verified it with people who knew him and then from there things started to go very wrong, but that's where my evidence lies in my attempt to create a logical scenario that makes a little sense. also about all my sources in the army and in the region, etc.

Well, Florence, I have to say that his book gave me considerable reason to pause about the good, essentially, what has been presented as the very simple explanation that he was a rogue pilot. I don't think we'll ever know the answer until the Malaysian Airlines 370 is recovered wherever it is, but look, thank you so much for getting real today and thank you so much for joining us. and give us your views, thank you Ross and thank you for having the intellectual honesty to possibly change your mind because that is what we need most and I am also happy and ready to change my mind as soon as I am presented with strong evidence and as As far as I'm concerned, I don't think we'll find the place, but I do think we'll find the truth.

Well I certainly hope we do, thank you very much Ross, thanks for watching, join nn. com to find Newsnation on your TV provider, and don't forget to click the red subscribe button to ensure you get more unbiased, fact-based news coverage from News Nation.