Podcast: Weltwirtschaftsforum – Die wirtschaftliche und politische Elite unter sich | Lanz & Precht

problem when people talk about the climate catastrophe we are running into and so on, especially the young people who I really respect, the last generation who use words like that and talk about billions of people who will die, etc. There is now good research and studies, especially by British psychologists. , who have examined the effects of this type of conversation on children and who say that children now have nightmares about it, yes, there are endless blogs and videos of young people who assume that they believe that, you know, children They take everything one by one. -one, that we will become extinct in 2030.

A ten-year-old child does not fool you, do you know if there are photos of a co-founder of Extinction Rebellion who gave an apocalyptic speech, stands on a table and talks to ten? years in a classroom in England that doesn't work. I think it just doesn't work. You can't do it and you really have to be careful. Now there's a term for this: ecological fear Chronic fear of the end of the world Anxiety disorders That's what has become the consequence of that. I don't want to say that you shouldn't name things clearly, but I think you have to be careful with the language and I'll tell you this if you ask young parents, people who have little ones, have children or young people, they will confirm it to you and I notice that too, that was my topic at that time with Carla Rochel from the last generation that was in the program, that to me it seems like someone who can trust absolutely no longer has any confidence in the future and that this should not be like this, which means that we return to play an important role in Davos and in cars, that is, the fact that we should not preach to schoolchildren, but the fact that there are people who do what science predicts here or many scientists formulate it with a little more care, that they take this seriously and then take these numbers for themselves and that's what they're made for.

Of course, they play an important role in provoking a rethink, absolutely who doesn't paint the devil on the wall and who. If you are not afraid enough of the consequences, what happens is that you always become a Cologne native and say that the young man was an idiot and say that I can also set a speed limit and that you can still drive SUVs within 20 years and then we will not panic and against this peace of mind, yes, which will definitely lead to going bankrupt and then it does not matter if that is in 10, 20 or 50 years, stand up and say yes, pay attention, but take the numbers in serious and think about something.

What comes out of that is an absolutely important corrective. They will never govern, but they can fulfill the function of a collective if we take them seriously enough. Once again, I am totally with you, no, you understand me very well, I am only concerned about the language and not I am concerned about the messages we send in this media connected world and I think that someone like the Secretary General of the UN needs to lend a little of attention to what has been said, that the world is in a state like that of cars in a crash. and things like that I think in some ways I think that's not allowed I think that's certainly something to think about now, regardless of the question of whether that's exactly true one to one, so it's actually not just five to twelve but basically five to twelve, yeah.

Because we have not seen the consequences and all the long-term consequences of our economy in recent decades, some of which only have an impact later, so in reality all is lost, my law, if that is true, it which is not unlikely, how would you do it now if you had the opportunity to approach this knowledge in a strategic and pedagogical way? I just think you know there's no absolute, perfect answer to this, Richard. I simply believe that We, as people in the media who speak for ourselves or give a forum to others, have a responsibility. We all have it and we have to fulfill this responsibility in some way because we always have to think that there are others listening who may be the disciples. and I have spoken many times about this enthusiasm, yes, and this crazy idealism of young people, which is also so great, but which of course can lead you to have at some point the feeling that you are simply staring into the abyss and I Sometimes I feel a little sorry for them when I see it like this, you know, now they have left this corona phase behind, many of them have this pandemic that completely destroyed the studio, everything that really belongs to this studio and now we have to be careful of not continuing to talk about this apocalypse without trivializing things, that of course is completely correct and when we say that this old continent returns to Davos, so to speak, and our topic has a problem, would you say?

Europe is the museum to which Fergus belongs, to say that globalization is over, to say that now is really a turning point and tomorrow we will wake up in the new world. So, three different quotes, these stupid quotes about waking up to a new world. tomorrow, I've never liked it anyway, yeah, maybe that's what happens with a lot of satisfaction or for them to open up in a different world, but I think that's silly because it seems like if great magic somehow there was came overnight and changed the world and that just doesn't apply to the situation, the other thing about museums, I would say yes, half of it, yes, it's a lot of museum things about Europe, yes, and that it is in some ways purely quantitative Musically, at some point the whole world changed from Europe, so through the industrial revolution, economic power, colonization, imperialism and so on, everything came from Europe.

The United States also started from Europe and today, in comparison, much less comes from Europe. "That's true for better or worse, yes, that means that Europe's importance in the world is decreasing. Yes, most of the people in the world live in Asia, more than half of the world's population, there are many less people living in all From the Chinese point of view, it is something like a solid Asian peninsula, so we did not see this meaning in the Middle Kingdom and this meaning becomes less in direct comparison with the others. I think there are much less people in China. "It is clear, so it is not yet clear that life with us becomes more uncomfortable or that everyone falls into poverty, but that our role in the world becomes less important.

I think that's true and, on the one hand, that can bother you because then they can do less and, on the other hand, they can be happy that those who have been in the world for so long have fallen short, that at some point their time, so they will have to be promising. and not just the established ones. I think the third sentence about the end of globalization is total nonsense, so the end of globalization is not possible. If you look at the interdependencies with the international world economy, then it is not even necessary to have the slightest imagination that deglobalization could take place here, that would be the end of everything and everywhere and that is why it will not happen.

I think that's rhetoric. That is rhetorical to impose one objective or another, but it is not possible. Germany sells 4 out of 10 cars in China. The Chinese are now in terms of car exports, they have surpassed Germany, so for many it is still unimaginable. The Chinese produce more cars than are sold abroad, since German cars are important cars, which we were especially good at, we have built some of the best cars in the world with a combustion engine that will no longer play any role in the 21st century, the car is because something else replaces what an electric car is not just a car with a different propulsion, it is something that in principle anyone can build and that over time will be increasingly cheaper, yes, but now We are building beautiful cars, the issue may at some point no longer be so important no, no, I don't know.

I don't think so, I honestly don't think so, it will never be a product, you know, there is very little horse breeding, yes, where you say yes, but we have the best racehorses, yes, you can do that. with it, of course, you can practice equestrian sports with it and those jokes, but as a normal means of transport horses will continue to be replaced and that is what will happen to the combustion engine without our fantastic electric cars when at some point in the In the Cities of the future, all the cars become very small and when the traffic becomes something completely different, then these cars are no longer useful, yes, and that is one thing, but as far as cars are concerned, that is , of course, interesting.

There was a large and interesting study recently on this. Europe is importing cars, that's clear, so in reality we have always built the cars and all over the world they are shipped now, suddenly we have cars because we don't produce small ones and cheap electric cars because we don't produce what cities will need in the future , but because we have done nothing more than this status with electric mobility, again repeating the diversified product range of fetishized individual transportation instead of doing something different that Meanwhile, it made sense, that was Tesla's idea. Tesla's idea was an electric car that doesn't have to be small and simple, but can be a super status car for as long as it lasts.

Tesla still exists, I don't think it will last. forever, no, you're in it, but I don't know. It's not that important, but for someone like Elon Musk, no matter how long Tesla has been around, if the cow no longer produces milk, they will be slaughtered, it is no longer possible. That's why we build companies that want VW to last 100 years or like Daimler or like Opel or whatever. That is no longer important in today's capitalism. If you do that, you won't need them at some point. 10 or 20 years from now and then you just do something else and then invest your money in other projects, so I wouldn't share that finding and similar things will continue to happen to Tesla for decades.

To be honest, Tesla's are not my main concern, but my issue is the issue of German industrial jobs, that is the issue and if you talk about it I think I want to hope that the big German corporations are among us the biggest possible time why why why because other things here people can do yes, work in other areas, that has always been like that, for example, what happened to all the people, so now let's go back to 1910 or 1915 and say what will be Of all the people who live in the horse trade, you know how many hundreds of thousands there were.

It wasn't just the coachmen, it was the masters of Riem who made the carriages, the wheelwrights, it was the master saddlers, it was the farriers, yes, these are the people. who prepared the horses, organized the hay, and the farmers who worked for it and and and and and and and and what happened to all those people when the horse-drawn carts disappeared from the cities in a very short time and the electric trams arrived and the car arrived. Today, the automobile industry in German-speaking countries employs almost 2 million people. I mean, there have always been industrial structural changes of this kind in history, yes, and yet, I tell you, you don't know, that One of the reasons why Germany did well for so long was precisely the fact that that we got our added value from these industrial jobs.

Skilled worker who earns his money all over Stuttgart, Wolfsburg, etc., and I will tell you that that is where the innovative power comes from. de, so now I have to pay you Richard because I have dealt with the topic more often, more or less in my head 2 19 2 18 sure but patent applications You can see exactly where the innovation is in German engineering if you look at the patent applications patents in the various federal states, in the upper part Baden-Württemberg, why Porsche Daimler Bosch, they are all there, many medium-sized companies, but they are not the large corporations.

They are not that innovative at all. , but the real focus of creativity in Germany is the middle class, I know, and Baden-Württemberg of course is quite busy, but for a moment, the number was around 15,000 patent applications in that year from Bavaria BMW and another 14,000, a huge amount from NRW. 7000 many car suppliers etc. Lower Saxony is also interesting VW 4000 now they say Bremen yes or Berlin I imagine that too 150 Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania 89 it is completely clear so to speak with the serfs yes there is something different that in Baden-Württemberg a middle class has not developed, for The inventors are based in Baden-Württemberg.

It has something to do with religion, it has something to do with the type and way of producing, yes, that was a country of dependent farmers, Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, Brandenburg, etc. Of course, they didn't sit there and forge ideas, they never sat there, yes, so agricultural reports relatively rarely patent, Yes, that's true, but I just want to say that things like this have an immediate effect and that takes us to the next topic, the effects on demographics for example, so if we look at a country with Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, it is a beautiful country, I am happy there, but it is an empty country that is why it is so nice to drive there, yes, I love Brandenburg and Mecklenburg-Vorpommern because the landscape fills my heart because you old peopleRomantics, they really ask people. who live there and don't have a job, that's not a bad thing if fewer people live there, I have always said that in Brandenburg we had Germany's response to these energeti from a house in the Brandenburg national park do everything you want eagle I' I'm with you, are you?

Why don't they all have to be distributed evenly in Germany? No, but there are people who are their homeland and, if a country is a state, but if you now work or run a lodge, finally there is my economic perspective. In Brandenburg you can build wonderful accommodations, like in Africa, where American tourists come and observe the fauna of the European Palio. You can also raise aurochs in the wild, etc., so that they basically have a species of origin again in the wild. , let everything that we have eradicated work in Europe, yes, you, you, as you, as you are, as the owner of a cabin in Brandenburg, but of course, it is still for a country like that, I mean, there are many countries with demographics, look at when manufacturing jobs disappear. , those who were left fallow in the US, also died in other Eastern European countries, bleeding, for example with regard to the population in Bulgaria, Romania, etc., what they have behind them is crazy, since we have talked about it. , but of course it does not lead to a country becoming a prosperous country at some point, yes, that is what is happening, that young people are moving there again, that people have the confidence to build something, all that I mean and that's what I mean with these industrial jobs, for example, and it's important that they exist and you can already see that when you say that people can leave after the jobs, not the German skilled worker, the classic German skilled job that now is similar to yours and that suits the country's mentality, even at an age when you have built a house, started a family and when it is no longer trivial to go from Stuttgart to Stuttgart for a short time.

You see, it doesn't matter anymore, that's why we have to make sure this country keeps running and that's why these industrial jobs are so central and so important in my opinion, yes, I'm not an illusionist, no. industrial jobs have made us rich, but on the other hand, we always have to understand that we can't do music inventory, which means we can't subsidize key industries for decades so that jobs aren't lost, so that's this strange form of socialist workplace politics that we also did in mining. It would have been much better instead of continuing to subsidize mining with billions of dollars for more than 20 or 30 years.

The same money could have been given to someone who works in a mine and has a majestic life pension and who has been trying to reach the goal on a dead horse for too long. There are many deterrent examples that have been achieved with a lot of lobbying and we must not make this mistake again. That is, we should not try to artificially pimp the automobile industry for decades. Because, of course, that's the time when we fall asleep to developing new things and here we are, we've just lost speed, so what happens to us mostly isn't that.

We don't have enough creative minds, they still have the same ones. In the past, we also have excellent universities, we have very well-trained people, but we lack entrepreneurship, which means the path from ability and knowledge to founding a company. That's what works very badly for us and, by the way, that's what happened in Baden-Württemberg in the 19th century worked incredibly well, that means it wasn't just that they were the inventors sitting there in the Jura de Swabia, why, for example, because they got loans, the newly founded Raiffeisen system, for example, as if everything came from Baden-Württemberg, small and very small entrepreneurs are given something like today we would say in natural loans of all the Yunus or to promote this development and for you to help and so on from the province of Swabia to Davos.

So the interesting thing now when we talk about Davos is always the question of who is there, yes, and that is where the homosexuals meet, where they kiss. well, that one over there where they were called people, and um there is like that in paleoanthropology the people of chromanization yes or something like that human and in the same way there is a certain selection of people in Davos people and what homo there where there are really great desires is That the old rules of the game continue under new circumstances, that is the meaning of the World Economic Forum in Davos.

You could also say that we are the ones who are at eye level, but to be honest, there are enough private planes to meet for dinner somewhere in Dubai, but really it's about agreeing a little on what needs to be done. For the old world order to be preserved in changing circumstances, that is actually the theme on which Davos is held every year and then It is always a mix of bringing back the old and having the mindset of change and being able to better understand the future and It should not be forgotten that where there is a museum-type European meeting, the world is not represented in such a way that it can be said that things are now being seen in a normal way, which is why the number of Africans in Davos is significantly less than the number of Europeans this year, not this year;

Curiously, there are many Africans. There are far fewer Africans than Europeans, but I just want to say that the meaning of continence is correct, but it was actually founded in the 70s in such a way that the people who were in power at that time in the world were the same people who They met at the G7. or the G8 summit that in reality they are the ones that make up the global economy and I am curious to know if he will be successful in Davos or the homo where they kiss that he is capable of focusing on establishing a multipolar world order.

That means that the Davos forum should be held in Davos for one year and then one year in some Chinese city and one year in an African city. So, in my opinion, maybe we should just start showing and symbolically showing how the world is changing in this sense, I think that would be an important signal, for example, and it would also be an important signal that people in Davos are learning increasingly to see the world from different perspectives, as we did in the same starting with the example of Franking and We have talked about China and I believe that the multipolar world order with many other strong powers with an increasingly important African continent with a continent South American something more important can be warmed to the desires with an Asia already increasingly stronger than There one would think of a multipolar world order and I believe that is so.

Davos is still a long way away, I think you are both still, you know, on the one hand you want to defend the old European or Western privileges. and you are skeptical about others and, on the other hand, you know that you cannot survive like this in the long term and this half-state between states that actually describes relatively well what state our economic and political

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s are in. Yes, I also have a problem, so to speak, with the fact that, despite many nice words, no important action ever results from it. Yes, I have a problem with people gathering there and talking intensely about the state of the world climate and then phrases like the mass collision and the cars and so on and the highway towards climate protection and so on and at the same time a big Some of them come on private jets, as Greenpeace has just pointed out, 53 percent more than half of these flights are short, less than 750 kilometers.

I don't know why Davos airport is closed to private jets. I don't know why Klaus has to be worn in black. The founder of a German economist is now you are 85 years old and that is why you are so right when you do it. In a way, it is meeting, so to speak, the old

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who obviously like to hold on to their privileges in order to explain to the rest of the world how they should live. and I have a problem with that, so I ask that you not take the plane next year in Davos, pay attention.

No, I forgot, to conclude, Richard, the historian of Scotland, said a really good line about Germany because I quote, before the Ukrainian war, you were living a delusional life in Germany and you believed that Mom would give you lasting stability. Since the war broke out, it is clear that the German model for Russian gas depends on exports to China and security guarantees from the United States. Merkel's legacy is that Germany was once again the Michel it was in the 19th century. That's difficult with Michel. Classically, drowsiness has always been associated with this, but if Michel now wakes up, what else should he do?

Yes, I think it has to be done. He really has to wake up and get back on his feet. Above all, he has to fix the schools. You have to fix education. You have to ask yourself why. In our case, one person in ten who emigrates is someone who is a migrant worker, while in Canada, for example, one in three is one who comes to the country for a very specific job, if you say that so many things do not work , we bring the people who come and that is how they are, but we do not put them to work and it is not the first time that we raise the issue of education when the states say their ages and that is not important.

We have already talked about the perceived age of Germans: Germans are a little younger. When the state was founded in the late 40s, the average perceived age is slowly approaching the age of the Federal Republic, so to speak, and when strong parents become rigid and crunchy, this is exactly what other states have We have been shown very badly in Britain For example, yes, France is far ahead of us in certain rigidities towards Christianity and what does that mean that they are no longer a society on the rise? Yes, this is how you can free yourself. through education and if you're diligent and you have Nick it's kind of like our generation.

As far as parents are concerned, where the children of artisans became engineers and that has almost been lost among us, we no longer have it, which means that the social dynamics are freezing and at the same time bureaucracy is increasing . Therefore, it is an absolutely underrated topic. But it is a completely underestimated topic: bureaucracy, our educational system does not suffer from the fact that occasionally we do not have energetic politicians who would like to change something. There are not many, but there are, even if we were ministers of education, who want to change everything and then make schools really float for the future and create schools in which the most important thing is that you master the administration yourself, that you are creative , who is curious, who can deal well with people and all these important things that would be delayed at all levels of administration.

This means that our schools are not the way they are because there is a political will for them to be that way, but because anyone who wants to drill this thick board is trapped in it with the drill and the only word where human intelligence has never been enough. Yes, really. The great achievements in this area are to reduce bureaucracy because every attempt to reduce complexity and we know very well from the complexity of the investigation, the complexity has to increase since the first new body of commissions was on the way, so now seriously lies the biggest problem like suffocation. and with one of the encrustations and this problem that the rising states have that we once heard about Germany in the '50s or '60s, so to speak, my tiger state didn't really have its origins and now, when it has landed as a rug, are they clearly wonderful or not Richard, thank you, it was an interesting exchange, I'm really looking forward to our China episode, yes, and I'm looking forward to going for a walk with you around Brandenburg sometime with binoculars in hand because if you can experience the magic of this great landscape Still this peace and with great luck a look without a wind turbine yes yes that is no no no no expensive which is difficult yes exactly but if you really like thatIf you live a day in which almost 20 species of birds raptors gather in one place, something you would otherwise only see in Israel during a hike, then you will feel the mysticism of Brandenburg somewhere and then you will understand that what I said before about Brandenburg is somewhere between humorous irony and deeper meaning.

It's not entirely absurd, I like it, but that's actually one of the reasons I like the East German states so much. I also think Saxony-Anhalt is completely underrated. "It's also very romantic, these other little rivers and stuff. I think it's so beautiful when Ramelo says every time that we should start producing in Erfurt, why not? Yes, I think maybe we should do it again, yes, I did a call to everyone to see the world and world events from different perspectives, so multipolar and maybe we should start with a multipolar view of Germany, yes, well, well, good point, a nice last word, Richard, thank you very much. a lot, yes, see you then Bye bye no production of m hoch 2 and potstars in OMR on behalf of ZDF