"Shaken"? Roland Deconstructs Katie Couric Recounting "Uncomfortable" Interview w/ Denzel Washington

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she would do in Washington is that she said left her shocked. Listen to what she says in this podcast. I had a very awkward

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once with Denzel Washington about the man from The Manchurian Candidate remake and I think he completely misinterpreted a question I asked him and jumped on me and it was very awkward remembering that I had left him and thinking God, You know I must have.

I don't think I said anything bad. I guess I don't know what happened anyway. I think he must have been having a really bad day because then he wrote a big check to my colon cancer organization, which I thought was a super sweet night. I love him, I admire him so much, he's one of my favorite actors, but I remember walking out and feeling really shocked because he had gone after me in a way that was completely strange and unnecessary. I know I find it interesting. She asked him about this question. Should a Hollywood actress continue acting?

Her response was: I'm not a Hollywood person. I do not know who they are. She then tried to rephrase the question, but then He interrupted and said she wasn't one of those people when she talked about being an actor and he said, Look, I'm a human being. In fact, here's the transcript. Denzel, do you feel like you know? Some people say: Hollywood people. He should keep acting like Denzel. I don't know what Hollywood people are. First of all, Hollywood is a city that has some stars along the way. I don't know anyone from there, so it's like saying I call you some kind of people.

I'm not Hollywood people. I do not know who they are. Okay, well, let me rephrase the question. Are you one of those people where he's like, oh, there you go? And I, one of those people, hmm, it's not that interesting, she says, oh. stop, stop, stop, he says no, don't stop, I heard what you just said, I'm one of those people, no I'm not, are you an actor I'd rather not know? I'm not an actor either and neither is that. I am a human being, my job is to act well. Are you someone who would prefer not to express your political opinions publicly?

I mean, how do you feel about some people being more outspoken than others? And what I meant is you're one of those people who would rather keep it private don't don't make my questions loaded when they're not Washington. I'd rather keep it private. No, I am NOT one of those people. I think I speak what's on my mind. Rob, do you understand what I did? The sale was getting closer and do you think Katie Cork is being too sensitive? Yeah to both, man, you know, you know both questions. I will say like her. I guess she's very used to Denzel and she sees. any black man who can adopt a threatening attitude towards her, simply because he didn't smile or say what she wanted to hear, he is somehow threatening and that made her feel

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, which is ridiculous, you are a reporter, so that people do not agree.

With you you feel

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when I read the transcript. I said there has to be more here and the only thing I can guess is that maybe Katie Couric needs to find a way to get in the news again so she can boost the ratings of some of her trying to do it, maybe she's writing a book because she doesn't I understand, I don't understand why she feels threatened or uncomfortable, it just seems like she is very, very sensitive and shouldn't have been a reporter. Kelly, this is, I don't know if you. I've heard of people talking about white women who do things like this and are called Carens.

This is definitely a Karen move and I hate the fact that they call it Karen because my mom's name is Karen and you know I'm rambling, but for her. To open up this far about something that's over a decade old, what's sixteen years old? You know, this interview camp like Manchurian came out in 2004 and in 2020 you mention something that happened 16 years ago that, frankly, you really looked at. Just like journalists know how to ask questions to get the answer they're looking for, so the fact that Denzel Washington didn't fall into the trap of basically saying that he should stay in his lane afterwards probably felt threatened by the fact that he did not do it. fall into his trap, it's not the fact that he actually defended himself, so that's the real key here, he really loaded himself on a question, it's a trick question, lawyers do it, journalists do it, people who They want to trap people in questions, they do it all. the time he didn't fall for it, she got salty and apparently sixteen years later she's still salty about it, well here's a deal, I mean look Robin, the reality is you know I can mention a story of 16 or 20 years ago and tell that story.

I think the fact that she took my house shook me, she was so I'm going to give my opinion on it, but just you, hey, think this is an insult to Karen everywhere, this is not caring or behavior , this is a Becky's heterosexual behavior because the black man wouldn't submit to her answered a question she asked the way he wanted to be asked and they started crying about it and said she was very offended and touched by the fact that this man had the nerve. How dare you not say what I told you to say and those more difficult parts of the over-mobilization of African Americans within our criminal justice system.

This leads to the fact that right now, even with public health recommendations, the black beans and banners want to wear masks following not in public, but we have to deal with double consciousness and the fact that we understand that they will look at us in a different way. different to wearing a mask in public than other people wearing a mask in public and this is her oblivious nature to really try to become the victim in a situation where I see that she was the actual aggressor. She went to war for Becky of the Month. Amos, your assessment, Becky is me, Becky is fine, that was, go with me, move, that's fine, you know, it's insulting. and he's armed, let's say what that is, she used a gun/silly Becky at that moment, suggesting that in essence this big black man challenged me and made me feel threatened because apparently she was in his campers for some unknown reason and I think maybe time. she has some motive that we don't know about in terms of wanting to attract publicity to her right now because otherwise why the hell bring this up again?

But ultimately, it still bothers her that this black man cheated on her and she is beautiful and intelligent. and talented black men and that's why it's interesting to me that all of a sudden they're playing and you know, Robert Wright, the Fed lasted Becky's move and it's disturbing to see that it's getting attention, but people are still getting this attention from the means and the legitimacy of the defender is crazy if it was then so I would be pretty upset with Becky he is basically using his stardom because he is a much bigger star than he will ever be in terms of his notoriety and the LS without drugs. stardom to bring more attention to her and me because he has some motivation that we don't know yet but we'll probably find out in the not too distant future and that's far from your ears so this is where I think that actually and This is the honesty Katie Couric's practice on her text message right now and she says, look what I'm about to say, what Denzel Washington was actually trying to tell you.

Katie is look at me, ask me, don't group me with them. Look, I think the mistake we sometimes make is that we fall for the Hollywood people, re-upload the transcript. I'm going to walk you through this so you can understand and put me in terms of where Denzel is. I upload the transcript. please some people say that hollywood people should limit themselves to acting there so let's discuss that she says some people i have received that kind of questions and then i go some people name some people like what is the basis of the question, he is actually a lazy person. way we can ask the question because what we are doing is we are not putting the responsibility on ourselves but we are putting it on some people and then you say Hollywood people, well who are the Hollywood people Aunjanue Ellis is an actress who lives in Mississippi I know people who live it who are actors who live in Atlanta who live in New York who live in Houston who live in Nebraska who live in different places so also when you open the transcript again please when you say that Hollywood people stop there What that means is that I'm not putting you in the category with them, that's that other thing, that other thing, because the phrase Hollywood people actually conjures up a particular thing in your mind.

I'll give you our example and my panel. I'll ask you what are some of the traditional phrases that this, we, we, hear, define people in Hollywood, you all spout some elite decadent left liberals or what else, what else was it going to be when I use no, no, what are we? here in limousine. Liberals, if they use that phrase, it automatically evokes Hollywood as well. Oh, left coast Hollywood, when in reality the left coast on a map is the entire left part of the country, so what does that mean Washington state or again California? You all are some conservative places in California, but that's not what you mean.

Look, these phrases are used for a reason. Transcript please, when you say, he says: I don't know what Hollywood people are. First of all, Hollywood is a city and there are some stars on the sidewalk. I don't know anyone here or there, so no, that's like saying they call you one type of people. I'm not Hollywood people. I don't know what they are. She says, let me rephrase the question. Are you one of those people? Right there, why are you automatically with one of those people in the first place? That's all you have to say backup transcript please, because you see she was talking about the whole thing in terms of politics.

That's all Denzel was trying to say is stop. associating with everyone else, in fact, the interview was Denzel Meryl Streep, I don't think it was Liev Schreiber. I don't remember who the third person was, Meryl Streep. Meryl Streep is actually much more of a vocal activist. What Denzel is saying, that's me, look at me. Look at the transcript when she says no. You're an actor I'd rather see stopped. I'm a human being. My job is to act out what Dinsdale was saying. Katie, look at me and just say Denzel, why don't you talk more about politics? behind this, I'll give an example, do you all remember when Craig Melvin interviewed his son on NBC for black Klan members and do you remember when Craig Melvin asked him the question?

John David Washington asked him the question about being the son of an actor ago his Washington, he had to gently check Craig Melvin because Craig Miller forgot that his mom is an actress mm-hm Paulette in Washington, look, that warning for me is that what I think it would be if I wasn't having a bad day, what Denzel was saying, see me as I am and don't bring others in, so ask me and don't use these phrases as a crutch, because it doesn't somehow put me in a box of Which I think was what it was. trying to say, I think you hit the nail on the head and that makes sense in every sense of the word, especially because we all know that the reality, the struggles and the experience of black actors, I think is perceptibly different from the lives of Hollywood that she It was in the Hollywood experience where the typical white actor and white actresses went through and so trying to lump them into this big Hollywood mess, she was putting it in the same experience and I would bet my last doctor that he had perceptibly different experiments in Hollywood than some of his characters who are in that same industry, so I can understand why he says something funny, don't just sit here and lump me into some of this duck, he took the abstract notion of Hollywood that I don't don't align with them doesn't reflect my life doesn't reflect my values ​​that reflects my appearances doesn't reflect my story look at me look at me and ask me the question and that's exactly the stance we should have taken because not doing it any other way would have been a wrong assumption and I think because a lot of people don't really understand this whole notion of look at me, so it's no different than Robert Rob and Kelly if you're interviewing a musician and it's like, well, don't associate it.

I with him talk to me no no no don't group me with what no no no talk to me I'm not them I am if I'm interviewing Chuck D I'm not going to ask Chuck D about what Lil Wayne, what migos, what 50 cents, what boo , look at Chuck, Amy, how they deployed it, how I do it, I think it's really what, but my man was saying yeah, look, I actually think this is very simple, she knew it too, again she's looking . promoting herself right now seems like the victim and you know she knows whatshe would get, she would breed, she's talking about Denzel Washington and she wanted to do it, it's even better if he said something about it because then the story continues, she's definitely doing this. for the promotion, she, I mean, there was nothing wrong with the way she answered that question and I really don't understand her outrage.

I just don't understand it and that's not a snippet, sorry, I want to reproduce. I think this is the Kelly clip where John David Washington was talking where John David Washington was talking about his mom and me and it was kind of like don't limit all this okay so look at this business being Denzel Washington's son , which in turn came out of Washington, ed Paul and Puck will take you to learn more money than him.it was when they met when they got married when before they got married she was on Broadway working she paid for the first date she paid the bill she paid the taxi ride so you know the classically trained pianist went to Julliard you know she's a great artist in her In her own right, you know, I learned a lot from her.

My father taught me how to hunt. My mother taught me to love this part of the interview. That's what happens when you listen to the subject and don't just include it. a Kelly box absolutely, in fact, that's one of my favorite John Dean interviews was during that time when he was on that press cycle for four members of the clan, he had to say that to a lot of interviewers and it was a little discouraging because Somehow way, let's say these reporters did their job, they actually did a thorough investigation and said you know Denzel and Pauletta Washington's son, you're still limiting an actor who has, who is rising, who has a job in his own right. you're still limiting him to what his parents did, you're still limiting him to someone else's work, and worse yet, you're limiting what he wants to do with what his parents did, so it's one of those things where you have that lets people be who they are and understands that just because you are affiliated with a group of people doesn't mean you are that group of people, you are your own individual and I see this a lot when it comes to people interviewing black people. in general, it's like you limit them to just being a singer, you limit them to just being an actor or a dancer or something like that in entertainment and the implication of that is that you're not smart enough to reach this level of intellect that I have. trying to interact with you and that is completely false, specifically when it comes to Denzel Washington, so the fact that Kate happened even when I was there, the fact that the implications were there, overall, she was definitely doing a Becky .

I like Becky more than Karen. I feel like we should replace Karen with Katie all together just because of this last point debacle here Robert, you know what I really think, I really think, Robert, I really think what Katie Couric should do is go back and listen, watch the interview over and over again. again. take what Denzel said and then say let me put myself in his shoes. I think she would understand. You know, maybe it's very different, but when I read the transcript I saw it. I said, yes, I know exactly, I know exactly and the reason why I find it. be interesting is because and that this act actually happened, there are times when we interview people and they have attitude, they have attitude and they have a bad day and they don't care.

I mean, two that come to mind were when I just tell you and tell you that this really happened. I'm working on the Fort Worth star telegram. City Hall reporter Khalid Mohammed comes to Fort Worth to talk. This was after Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan suspended him. Khalid Mohammed from Houston, Texas, and I'm writing a profile about him coming, so I ask him questions about growing up in Houston. He wanted to be a Baptist minister and attend Xavier University and he is not being cordial, he is extremely defensive, he tells him what he is. He asked all these personal questions, so I really got tired of, you know, and this was the newspaper interview, so it was Rose's audio.

I really got tired and realized that the AI ​​was in her voice and normally, Robert, the guy says, let's get off the record. I chose to do it off the record, Robert, and this is what I see. I said, man, let me tell you something right now. I don't care about your bean pies, bow ties or anything else and your ball-headed ass. I said these people got your ads. looking like a demon here I'm the only black reporter in this entire newsroom. Nobody gives a damn about you all coming to Fort Worth and giving a speech and you have two options: you can answer my questions or I might look like a fucking fool when you bring your ass here we are all the people around you now what does your ass want to do he goes, let's go back there, come on, let's go back to the record and from that day forward he died or brain hemorrhage he told his staff every time he called you made your call it happened with skip gates skip gates came to Texas A&M I'm a student, I'm working at a story and skip was having and one of them moves and I put that tape recording I said no one cares about you coming to College Station I said they actually know who the hell you were when I mentioned your damn name I said so you can talk to me I said, but guess what happens if you don't don't talk to me, this won't be in tomorrow's paper and everyone will be fine.

You could just walk around this city and the University when no one knows your ass was here so you can have a little more fun attitude. Could you answer my questions. We came back. on the record now, obviously, Katy Kurt wasn't going to do that with Denzel right there because they didn't have limited time, but sometimes you had to go as a reporter, but I saw what he was feeling and I realized very quickly with Denzel. It's not difficult to say that, that's called being attentive to the subject, but it would be round even if Denzel didn't have an attitude.

I didn't feel it that day, so what the hell is a human being, he has to be a joke, limp and smiling. and Kiki replaces you just because you're interviewing him you have a job to do he has a job to do do your job why do you bring it up 16 years later saying he hurt your feelings by not being as cheerful as you? He thought it must be the level of privilege associated with each with his comment, in fact, the level of dehumanization of someone from Denzel Washington in this case, as if he had said to Katie Couric, something just follows him by the simple nature of May she honor him with the right to interview. being either of you with her, I think that's the most peculiar aspect of her, the fact that she thought he owned her at some level of submission just because he was asking her questions.

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