T cells, cancer and immunity

we have this group of people administering medications. He was just going to say that analogies just flood the mind. Robert, only names come to mind, but we'll get past that Gus, are you going to say something, yeah, I would, I was going to talk about the um, you were talking about the parasite, I mean, that's what

cancer

is, it becomes In parasite, it is very intelligent, it is dynamic evolution. It's evolving inside the body like any other insect would to see if it can compete and you know, that's survival of the fittest, but with

cancer

it can be survival of the fittest to the point of killing its own.

Survival, yes, while other insects and things can grow and you live with them and it's real what they call Sy biosis, there's a lot of evidence of biosis and as people get older and certainly, as we've discovered, as they get older, a lot People with all the sophisticated tests that we have today do as they get older, when they find out that they have all the aches and pains, they get a blood test and they find out, hey. They have leukemia or lymphoma, actually lymphoma, how long have you had it? Oh months, probably two or three years caused problems, not because it evolved for the first second stage, so to speak, but the immune system is actually capable of FY, so you don't.

I know it's there until you hit a period where you have a sudden suppression of your t-one response, which, as we talked about before, there's a lot of things that can do, yeah, you take prostate cancer, where probably 90 % of 90-year-olds have You know, if you look at their tissue after they die, they will have low-grade prostate cancer and it's probably been there for 20 or 30 years. In fact, in the Vietnam War there were reports that even young men in their 30s and 40s, many of them, according to autopsy, had prostate cancer very early, so you may know that it can take decades to evolve before it really causes any problems, it is being controlled and it is one of the cancers that I believe is affected. for your overall healthy immune status and we certainly know that vitamin D and anti-inflammatories play an important role in prostate control, that's interesting, yeah, it's quite surprising, really, I mean, I've seen patients in the operating room, for example, and and tumors are everywhere, just masses of them, and yet if the tea

cells

were activated against that, the immune system is still theoretically able to eradicate tumors that are all over the body if they were activated enough against cancer

cells

.

Yes, as long as those tumors have a fairly small volume, there comes a time when the tumor is too large for symmetry. I've certainly seen several small volume Mets, uh, disappear completely with good immunotherapy, but it's a very difficult task if it's treated. with t tumors that measure 6 8 10 cm like if, if it's just one and there are a lot of small ones, then eliminating the big one and going for the smaller ones is actually a reasonable strategy with the right, so basically I think I would like to have the more te cells you activate, I mean, I'm over 60 now, what will my te cell activity be like now?

What do we do about it? Is there a practical approach we can take to increase our T cell activity? I know you both have answers to this question, so who would like to get off to a good start? I was going to have a pair. um, a parallel comment to the ideas about cancer because I'm interested in the environment, not so much of the cancer cell but in the respiratory tract, where, for example, a CO virus infects and there is a notable similarity. I have always been surprised by the similarity between the challenge. of a tea cell trying to get good responses against the virus there, like in the cancer environment, to get the te cell to act on the cancer cells and it's interesting to hear Gus talk about the non-specific components of immune protection.

The protection is exactly the same as what you put on a specific cell, but it is suppressed so quickly that you have to very quickly teach the annate

immunity

to continue the action. He's been given a term that's now called innate learned

immunity

, and you do, in fact, change. the nature of the white blood cells and the various types of cytocytes, so they are self-perpetuating and from time to time you have to give them a burst of good tea cells to make them work, so you go from specific tea cells that you are putting in. in that environment stimulating a non-specific outcome, which means it will protect not only against the flu but also against the flu in a non-specific way and I love biology, you know, it's very good at getting to the basic principles, right? is that so?

There is a very interesting similarity here and that is with the virus entering the respiratory tract and infecting the respiratory tract. What's going on? I mean, if the first line defense in immunity or your memory because you've seen it before wins and everything calms down and you just have a little cough and you get better in a few days, that's fine, but what worries us all and especially to respiratory people in the hospital is when the condition is really bad and that means that even if you have an immune system, you can't do anything about it because it has caused inflammation and this is very relevant to Co.

It has caused terrible inflammation that was completely ignored and misunderstood by people on the front lines because they ordered ventilators for people with this. Regarding the difficulty breathing, they might as well have arranged AK-47s for them because it actually killed them. For me, the ventilators were the main cause of that because they pushed the inflation inflammation results back into the lungs causing a complete blockage so they couldn't. Not breathing, I mean, it was like strangling them and the people who ordered the ventilators thought it was because the virus was causing leaks and they wanted to push the fluid in, so now we were dealing with something else like cystic fibrosis and inflammation.

Here's the important thing when you have this inflammatory environment that the tea cells can't get through, they just bounce off, it's a complete waste of time, so the only thing that made a difference in that time is giving them steroids and dexasone. A perfected form of treatment again, the people who handled all of this and I want them to be held accountable for their incredible stupidity. For this, they set up a trial called recovery with six arms, one of which was dexamethasone, and five of the arms were denied dexamethasone. which, as the trial went to great lengths to prove that the dexosome was the only one that had any use, we all knew that I mean anyone with half a brain who has ever been in intensive care knows that if you have inflammation in the chest, you give it steroids and that is solved. down and then the immune system can work because it can actually see its targets, yes it is completely unethical to do clinical trials for things that we know exist because you have to have a placebo group that does not receive the treatment, yes I would like to talk with the people.

Who approved that trial because I think it shows medical negligence on a large scale? Yes, yes, yes, it really is quite incredible. What about practical ways to stimulate the T cell response? I know you both believe in what is called bacterial stimulation, if you could. just tell me briefly the two approaches do your approaches match maybe professor D GLE first what is your approach? Well, I was going to say Robert first. I don't want to cause any fights. Well, it's very clear and you know you should do it. You have to appreciate that this comes after decades of research and a sudden realization and it was my interaction with Stanford and Rook, you know, John Stanford, unfortunately, is no longer with us and Graham Rook, who for years sought to improve vaccines against tuberculosis to get a better vcg and they realized it. that in the presence of certain microbacteria, not BCG, the result was much better and they did fantastic research but I don't think they got enough credit for it and they found that microbacteria and vaki were very useful but here was the real work . here was the real deal: they discovered they could do much better than BCG by killing it with heat.

I think it's a coincidence because the same thing has happened with uh leria U, which has been used as a stimulant and, by accident, someone gave it a The heat killed and I discovered that it was much better, it's the same with microbacteria V and it's the way it's prepared, if you don't use the right buffer and the right pH, then it's not as good as a stimulant, so this is very important, but when we step back, this agent first stimulates the NK cells and the gamma deltas. We spent the last few years in my group proving that it is the best Gamma Deltas stimulator, it is much better than the standard ones and this is one of the reasons.

I think it's been very helpful in our cancer trial and it would have been very important to have used that and not the messenger RNA vaccines as an immune booster for Covid and I don't apologize for saying that because I said it from the beginning. and now I've been widely ignored, why is it so good? It's because, joh um, Stanford and Rook, when they pressed these people, they saw that what they were describing was driving the immune response that would have been programmed when you were young and had simply died out or wasn't there well enough and was tagged in a great review that actually went on to a great TV show and they called it the dirt vaccine and I think that was a brilliant concept because the dirtier the environment, the more You better program your immune system, if you live in an environment clean and sterile, you will never get that good immune response and, if I may quote a wonderful unexpected result from Copenhagen from this State Research Institute that has been working with BCG in Africa for years, they discovered after 50 or 60 years of monitoring all these trials that children who had BCG, as opposed to those who didn't have it in Africa, who would have had it and would have been exposed to a lot of other dirty things who later in life had a lower incidence of cardiovascular and cancer, so It really was a stimulant that that study, I mean, I speculate all of this and a lot of it is right, some of it could be wrong, that study showed that priming with this dirt in the first years of life actually had an improvement in indirect agents. non-specific like cardiovascular D, etc., and it makes sense to just highlight it.

Regarding dirty bugs, it has been known for years that people in dirty environments do not suffer from many sophisticated conditions such as Hodkin's disease. o M scis later in life and when you get into a detailed analysis of people who had multiple children, it is likely that only the firstborn will have these conditions because the firstborn will have the cleanest environment and by the time you have the second, you will give up defeated. that they just run around crawling in the dirt eating L and St and that they are giving themselves a much better immune system than the firstborn hugged by Molly and all the factual statistics available are completely consistent with that, they don't prove it.

But I think the anato immune system priming concept is one of the most powerful and important for long-term ecological health, so if there's been a flaw in that, these heat kill the microbacteria products and give them a impulse. or reconstitute it and that's why I think they're so important it's almost like a fountain of youth, right? It's potentially giving me back the immune system I had when I was 18. It sounds too incredible and biologically it makes sense because the way you kill or attenuate these organisms will affect the architecture of the molecules, presumably we would call them epitopes, and if you have a particular preparation process that preserves the molecular integrity of the epitopes, they will still be as biologically active, so to me it makes a lot of sense and is supported by the empiricism that you are talking about and presumably the UK authorities are crying at your feet to authorize this vaccine so that I can receive it if I wish.

They were, I wish they were, I mean, we tried to get it tested for pancreatic cancer in 2016 and, I mean, the data was incredible, they want a bigger study, bigger studies are only done when there are questions. There was no question about how Sy and you just do it to establish the benefit-risk-safety relationship. Now this agent has been given to thousands of people in tuberculosis studies and I have given it to hundreds of people with cancer. There has never been a serious adverse event of SAE which was recorded three or four times, this did not seem to bother them with the covid vaccines where all the safety issues were completely ignored, so now you know the frustration, we have something rehearsed , yes, they had a two Monon trial with the el co, yes, well, I won't go into details where, when it was obvious that there were some nasty side effects, it was decided to open it for ethical reasons and then freeze the results for 70 years, 75 years, 75 years, but They tried to unmask him so that the people who were in PBO could alsoreceive the vaccine because it is unethical for them not to.

I actually think it was so that the side effect profile would be comparable to both. I really think that when you look at all the raw data, yes, revealing the tri completely eliminated any comparison because both groups became equal, both groups received the active treatment, it's kind of outrageous and I mean, it seems to me that there is a simple treatment , it's just a few injections. it's not really a vaccine it's just these attenuated or dead organisms sorry sorry I love the fact that you said it's not really a vaccine it's an immune restorative immune modulator it's not a vaccine against anything in particular So I'm so grateful that you did that because it's so important for people to understand that there's a big difference between a vaccine that restores the immune system and basically wants a single response against a single antigen or a single virus like the flu, and we don't want this to be bad.

Name it by calling it a vaccine, yeah, like that, so, it's not a vaccine at all, it's a bacterial stimulation that is restoring my immune system to what it was when I was young and it's acting against viruses, bacteria, cancers, all these things, um and I. They don't allow it and I find it completely outrageous because if the regulatory authority for medicines and health care products, which I seem to remember, is 86% funded by uh, by big industry, if that would allow it, then you, you, you, could compassionately prescribe that to me because it would be a registered medicine and preparation and we would be allowed to use it.

It's simply outrageous. I agree with you now, it's interesting what I'm doing. What I try to do in my group over the years is also stimulate the STs, but get them to move to where they are needed and we use inactivated bacteria to do this just like Gus does, but we have found that if you kill them with heat, they are not as good as if you used formalin. What formalin does is it binds them together so we have little aggregates and you can take special pictures with an electron microscope and you see all these little clumps of um and they get absorbed by the factory. that's going to form the te cells that we want in the wall of the little lymphoid aggregates that are called P patches.

Now, if you kill them with heat, they don't absorb as well, so it's quite interesting when you're looking at a result. slightly different, you really have to do science and research to find the best way to achieve that particular result and what we have found is that 25% of people don't really get the tea cells to the lung where they are needed very efficiently and by stimulating their production in the factory, which are these P patches, little lumps of lymphoid tissue on the wall of the small bell, then we treat them with formalin to kill them and kill them.

We add them with the formalin and they are absorbed much more efficiently in the previous patch, so we both aim to activate the te-cells where we want them, but we use different ways of doing it, yes, there are similarities and there are differences because the microbacteria that kill the heat still have to be processed and presented with aate uh uh actually without which it won't do anything so it's not that simple so basically in one way you know we're doing the same things starting from different places but converging on a very similar. I'm wondering if we can move on to something I want to hear Gus talk about because we have him here in Sydney.

Gus for me has been the the the the Light in a very murky tunnel, uh, identifying what other people are not doing well, now they're realizing it and it's happening everywhere, but Gus, would you like to tell me and John knows much about this? What is your current situation? The thoughts are about the post-vaccine covid vaccine and the development of cancer because it's amazing that people are talking about turbo cancers and there's a lot of anxiety about this right now, you have to say what your thoughts are right now, well, I highlighted it first. the fact that in my clinic I saw these melanoma patients in the lab for years, they suddenly relapsed, some of them mildly, but others really quite brutally and they didn't have any good explanation other than they'd all had Covid. the vaccine booster, which I said is completely booster, booster, booster, there is no problem with the first and the second, it was the booster and the booster is completely unnecessary.

I mean, basically, in vaccinology, if you need a booster, there's a big reason to be very cynical about the vaccine. It doesn't exactly work, but the second thing is that the people who said we needed a booster, I think they were collective idiots who didn't understand the logic because their reasoning was that the Titus antibody was going down, they were always going to go down if they didn't. by not falling, you probably have a multiple fibroid with a clone that produces it because it won't and the blood would turn to slush with all the antigenic challenge we have had our entire lives, but they were falling because the suppressor cells were becoming more potent. by the vaccine and then you're turning off the immunity and the British data showed this first I think I think it was week 21 or something like that in 20 21 or 22 uh and it showed that um after the booster, after the booster yeah I just looked for two months , the antibody levels went down not only from the spike protein that was in the vaccine, but also from the nuclear capsid, which are other parts of the virus, so I was suffering from this bystander immune depression and I wonder how much that. was related because you only got it after the third one, yeah, and I mean there was a really good paper showing that the T cell response was completely eliminated in 20% of cancer patients after the booster, they called it with very precise T cell depletion.

Yeah, you know basically why they're whipping me into doing this? I've had enough. I've already done my job. They just whipped them to death and what I mean is that my big problem with this was that it was a very dynamic virus variant with multiple changes. When even the first vaccine came out, it didn't have a very visible use because the virus changed and disappeared and, you know, one of the articles I wrote with my colleagues right at the beginning of this is looking at history. of Corona viruses no vaccine works, the reason is that when you get a vaccine to induce a good enough immune response, the virus mutates and the next one yes, this is actually anti-h useful, it is not even useful that the next one will be similar so it's partially Prim no it blocks the immune response in a fully focused antigenic Sy which the body will never see a lesser variant of that it will just do the same thing again so uh and the The bus is gone, the bus is gone, the bus is gone, so you've induced a kind of Chaos in the immune system that's fighting things that aren't there and therefore they're not fighting things that were there and that were doing very well. under control, so that was the first, the second thing we had and some very good papers came out showing that the IGG subtypes went from one and three after the booster to four, now one and three antibodies attack viruses and kill things four This is what you want to induce if you have had a transplant to activate the immune system.

By the way, we have a new guy here, don't kick him out, so shut him down and you know, learn to live with him, which is exactly what happens. When an allergist comes and gives pollen the spiritual treatment to pollen the same way he does a virus, yeah, uh, and you say you inject, inject, inject three, four or five times and the igg4 goes up and the igg4 goes down. response to uh, to pollen, yes, it's fascinating, we came together because these are wonderful complementary analogies. I mean, this is really amazing. Well, let me ask you what happens when you desensitize someone.

Does that change cancer in people with cancer? You know, immunize people against Ry grass polin and you're causing igg4 to go up and you're turning off the immune response to allergens. Does that affect cancer? Has anyone ever looked? Nobody has looked at that. and no, I don't know, uh, but I do, maybe I do, but it's obviously not a big enough problem, the way we find that they do it in much younger people, they do it in much younger people. people, well, we don't know that and the irony here is that if you allow natural immunity, let's say to a covid virus or any other virus, but if you allow natural immunity to a CO virus, you will get a polyclonal response.

We're going to get, I don't know, maybe 2025 uh, components of the covirus that the immune system recognizes, so when the virus changes and mutates, there will be some of the components of the old virus that will still be there because you're looking, you're seeing many different epitopes, whereas the vaccine only looks at one or two epitopes, it seems even obvious from a basic biological point of view, again, there are absolutely papers available now that have been allowed to publish. as if it had been suppressed by all this madness, they pay the $10,000, yes, they basically show that the innate immune response, that is, of people who have been exposed to the virus, that immune response is much better than any vaccine and that it can be just a T Cell Response and I am one of those people.

I got a great response against R2. I've never been vaccinated and I've never had an antibody, I've never had any antibodies, and actually, when you looked early, it showed a beautiful payoff. During the pandemic, there were many people who had Tel responses, they had clearly seen that they had rejected it, they did not even know that they had it, now those people, if they became infected, and it is important to note that these people had no antibodies, only the te -C, but if they were infected, there is another group of researchers who published papers showing that these people, when they were infected, they had a rapid te cell response and fantastic specific IGG responses against the vaccine uh and they were very unlikely. progress and get sick, so while the vaccine basically focuses on specific parts and since it was the spike protein, they left out the nuclear protein, which certainly in our work with HIV was important because it is totally constant if you you focus on that.

It's the same with all viruses, the spike and the envelope are constantly changing because that's what they're there for, they're basically decoys, they're shields, so the immune system attacks them and then they change their license plate, so to speak, and the car of escape, so they escape from the police by looking for a certain license plate and it's a very interesting analogy that I think is very useful, it just seems totally strange that they would choose the part of the virus that changes most frequently to make the vaccine. ago when I pointed out that this was crazy and that we had already shown that with HIV four epitopes have been much better than 3,000 epitopes in the vaccines that Fouchy and all the ones that did not work, the four are the best in the best. the data just needs a little more work and you have a fantastic vaccine, no one was interested in that, but we said the same for covid, covid has the core epitopes, they are shared between everyone and if they mutate, there are absolutely no viruses. vital to the good point, so you aim for the achilles heel, don't bother shooting guns all over the place and wait for someone who doesn't really understand biology, it's so simple they see. the virus like one of these um um um explosive things that you put in the ocean with little spikes waiting for the ship to arrive M the mine oh the sea mines yes mines um and it's the actions inside it is and if you change things there then it doesn't work not very very well it really is really it's quite strange that all these really smart people you imagine would make such a fundamental mistake it seems incredible to see how much of the fact that you basically got no antibodies against the virus, meaning you fought it off with a minimal response.

Actually, how much of that do you think is due to the fact that you nobly experimented on yourself with your microbacterial stimulation in the past? That has strengthened your immune system, no doubt, a lot, and vitamin D, because don't forget about vitamin D because it's the only thing that everyone can do without getting government approval and it's amazing until they do it. and then it will be banned, well they tried, they tried this or whatever they call vitamin D, they actively tried to stop people from thinking it could be useful in covid. Matt Hanok did it in Parliament, didn't they stand up? and Vin said, yeah, well, obviously it was.

I mean, the best thing that can be said about Matt and H. Matt Hanock is that I hope he never survives again. He was never the most evil politician and the worst person in the world he was in that job at the time, but he was appointed by Boris Johnson, he was Prime Minister, he has to own this, it's pretty incredible, so, he really is. , if this microbacterial stimulation were available and I knew to inject it, I would certainly do it. I will be really prepared for that because it will give me less infections, it will give me less bacterial infections, it will reduce my chances of cancer, and yet I don't allow it.

I just find it completely scandalous and again with The Preparation of Robertfor the formalin preparation it doesn't really surprise me because of course the difference is that Robert's preparation goes through the gastrointestinal tract, so it's not at all surprising that there are differences in the preparation, but it would be fine for that too because why not promote your immunity to charcoal? Yeah, well, let me tell you, I was surprised to see that vaki microbacteria was used in a television trial where it was administered orally, because John Stanford was convinced that it was. It is not necessary to inject it, it can be administered orally because of the payer patch, it is exactly the same as what you are talking about and you know that there are quite a few preparations that have V microbacteria in orep, isn't that still the case in Brazil? give oral vcg to young babies, I think they do it and it has good evidence that it prevents menitis and, uh, a military TV, yes, for prevention and stimulation, the oral route is very good.

I feel like remember my work has been with people who broke up because they physically had cancer in front of me and that's what I'm going to do so they're going to inject me and this is very important because the difference between a vaccine and an immunostimulator, an immune modulator , it is very important, it must be administered in the place where it is formed. a BLB and that means that then the myoid-derived dendritic cells are activated that come and go if it is administered subcutaneously it has no benefit or if it is mild and it is delayed until it is too late, of course, the relationships have been widely disseminated public, yes, I believe so and I can assure you that a randomized trial has been carried out on this without any ethical input, it is being carried out by nurses who, despite their training, still do not know the difference between intradermal and subcut and complained that this person has not had the mark that can be noticed weeks later if you apply it intradermally, you know because it has the AA mark and that thing, and then I saw someone who said that.

This patient is not energetic they don't have any reaction he said let's see how you do it they put it subcutaneously they had no concept of intradermal injection no I don't mean basically we don't give it there is no The preparations we give intradermally are all intravenous, intramuscular or subcutaneous, there is no theist with brats and mice, if you are giving adant and things, you give it intradermally exactly, yes, I appreciated that it is an intradermal injection, so it is very, very superficial. preparation now, obviously, we could talk for days, but there is one thing that I would like to know your views on, really, over the last few years, some products have been promoted, some products have been, uh, demig and one that is maybe he's been demig and blatantly attacked more than most es itin um Ju Just a little bit about your views on Ivón, do you find that useful Robert at this point? um, actually, I think the hydroxychloric that came out earlier got hit a lot harder. anything that raised its head and looked like it was working at the time was going to be defeated because, um, the whole magic vaccine scenario that was to come required that there be no alternative treatments and therefore the shame that existed in the time hydroxychloroquine and then icton were used, both of which are highly effective treatments, were banned in this country.

You wouldn't believe it in Queensland, where I go in a bulletproof vest on the weekend to visit my son, uh, in Queensland. If they prescribed Co hydroxychloroquine, a drug that you and I have used hundreds of thousands of times, they could put him in jail, imprison him, not just expel him from the medical profession, but imprison him, the answer to your question about Iva meon is that there was a breakthrough, literally. In the last few months, when David showed up in the United States, he put together a lot of really exciting good science and answered a question that people have objected to.

Well, you know that all these studies on virus assembly and whatever act very late. and what David showed was after a study that I had a little bit to do with, there were three studies that showed that if you give ion, the low oxygen saturation that was present in people with mild to moderate disease would return to normal in 24 hours didn't make any sense to make a long story short, what Iva mam was doing was blocking the effect of the spike protein on the aguena virus, crowding together the red blood cells clogging them in the small vessels of the lung so that oxygen couldn't saturate hemoglobin in red blood cells, so Ian had this dramatic effect now, the overwhelming data on over 100 studies now on ion show that it is highly effective in reducing the intensity of the disease, reducing admission. to the hospital reducing death and also reducing the transmission of infections there is 30% less Long Co follow-up of people who are treated with ice, so the database is overwhelming although that is unfortunately very irrelevant.

I talk to doctors all the time, and I talk to people who We know who have a mutual respect for our medical skills, don't even want to discuss the possibility that hydroxychloroquine, which has a very bad reputation in this country, and icton, which has an equally bad reputation. fame, can have an effect. when we pay more than a thousand dollars for a treatment for two antiviral drugs that do not work and are very toxic and toxic, they are too toxic, they create mutations that can transmit, yes, they cause the mutations to make the whole epidemic pandemic worse, yes, my RIS, my case, yes, yes, absolutely, um, who was that Robert David that was ringing, yes, he, how do you spell it, um s c h e i m, David wants to talk to you, so yes, definitely, about you two, yes, yes, just before we finish?

We probably have 155 minutes, time goes by very quickly now. You hear a lot about Iction and cancer. Is it all hot air or are there some potential trials that could be done here? First of all, I want to totally agree with Robert on that. Hydroxychloroquine has been used fungally for years anyway, but Iva matin is really an amazing drug and it was obvious that this was useful. My personal things that I had, people that I knew who were really very sick. and they asked me if we should try some icting and I absolutely said if you had nothing else, try it and I had a couple of cases where they got better within 48 hours after incredible swelling, now it was working and we can't.

Continue here without mentioning Pier Cy, I mean he absolutely defends, basically, undeclared war and IA metin and that under deair war and I of atin was that it was orchestrated and directed by that's the book, that's all, uh , by Anthony fouchy, who denigrated him, we called him. it's why you shouldn't take it it worked now why he did that because he was clearing the land for the vaccines. I think this is a crime against humanity what he did. It is a very simple medicine, no side effects, it was curing and We knew it because in the subcontinent where millions of people take AI to eliminate their flukes and you know, let's not forget that this medicine received a Nobel Prize.

It's so good for flukes and things like that because it prevents millions of people. of going blind, so let's say vitamin D has zero toxicity and a fantastic pass, but it was really degenerate that she wanted me to have a negative study on a dose that was so toxic in patients who were before the funeral so she could eliminate it when doctor Doctor Who used it was fine and as you say Health authorities. I gave people ice when they needed it and I was horrified at what they had to pay because the government wouldn't do it yet.

It is a medicine that can be obtained for a dollar a course in India. Well, I can tell you that there is some very interesting data now that shows that it costs $25 to save a life with iaon, which is what it costs us to save a life with Pax l or M P the specific antivirals, I think it's a couple of $1,000 and then I think that they are cheating. I don't think it will save many Livs but in Australia it is now quite legal to prescribe uh icton even though it is not supported by There is no government support but you can now get the formulating chemists in Australia.

We'll do it for 60 cents for a 12 mg capsule, that's fantastic, which is fantastic news. 60 chain pennies 60 yes, and it's nothing, yes, it's 30 English pens G. is to stay here in Australia because it's very cheap, yes, oh yes, if you would just answer the other party's question, what please I'm just saying I interviewed PA Cory in 2020 and the video was actually banned, yeah, yeah, oh, this, this, this is overwhelming global fascism. On a scale, we are all shaking in our shoes about this, this is fascism that has spread out of control and we must do to prevent this from happening again, going back to Ia, I found cancer when I have looked at this very carefully, you know , then it is something if FY tells me that it is bad and dangerous.

I go and do the research and find out that, as always, it's completely the opposite. I mean, FY should have been killed and removed from office decades ago, and I'm running. Paul agrees with me. I want to be in jail for dying for congressional crimes against humanity and I totally agree, but getting back to that, we started looking at it and you know I worked hard on this making the analogs and we developed lenol linomide pomide, it's now multi-million dollar. dollar sellers in the world and we looked at the mechanisms when we discovered that the mechanisms for cancer had nothing to do with how people thought it worked, so when I look at the mechanisms for iom xine yes, they hit some very interesting anti-cancer pathways.

So anti is a potential IAL anticancer agent, but it won't get any push from big farmers who are only interested in agents, they can charge hundreds of thousands a year, like the checkpoint I create and we are working in the lab . So I put my money right, my mouth is that we don't have funds to do this, but on the other hand, we are putting it in parallel with other things, to look at the real thing and I am very, very optimistic, we will find something because I come in and then There are mebendazole and fendol, which are the same medicine, one is cheap and is given to animals, the other is expensive and is given to the main animal, but they all have action on the mitochondria, which are the heel of a cell cancerous. so I think you know that from this we could have something much more effective against cancer in the future that doesn't involve the big farmer and the billions that they claim from the government, they have to collect a fortune because of the billions of They research, they spend, they don't spend it, they just buy it and sell it.

Look, the big billions in research that are done are usually done by charities and the government, so I think it's about time we challenged this hegemony over the big Barm, huh. this and they have completely controlled what is done and what is allowed to be done by raising the barriers to entry for everything, for small projects, for academic work, for reuse, and I think it is time for us to face that and say as Churcher would do. Let's say we won't let you know absolutely and the mitochondrial effect, Robert, could be part of the effect that he's seeing in his chronic patients, as well as the crossover between Long Co vaccine injury and chronic fatigue that we've talked about. the post-vaccine or post-viral infection syndrome uh CO long uh what I find fascinating and I'm sure you'll find this fascinating when you start looking at those who do well or not particularly well with your product is this computational type of genetics in which they're actually looking at the genetic interaction, uh, so we're over a million, we're over the point mutations, now we're looking at the way this gene interacts with another one and with these people who are They go on and have long-term problems, they have a persistent problem and they have defects, particularly in immunity, but the genetic defect of that second group is in the mitochondrial development of high energy phosphate bonds, it is really very important, so mentioning it can be very useful.

Which would be fascinating, yes, excellent gentlemen, many thanks to both of you for the fact that you have both pursued such distinguished medical careers in different countries, although Cosos has worked in Austral and had the good sense to get married in Australia as well. yesterday, well I didn't know I got an Australian passport, well so you can join the shortest queue at the airport, no, the fact that you've come from different angles on this and I've come to this agreement. to me it means that's really powerful, supporting evidence that the conclusions are the same in different, different academic areas of medicine.

I am totally convinced and I am sure that many people who watch the video will and can. I won't wait for the next conversation, but for now, thank you both very much, thank you very much. Great to have you with Robert here. It's been fantastic. He has been brilliant on the Australian map. John. So I apologize. I didn't make it. Oh, the British. Viewers will appreciate. We'll have to make a video with the map next time. Next time I'm there, there will be a lot of interesting things, but for now, thank you very much.