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The Grim Reapers Group's Favorite DCS Modules 2020

Mar 23, 2024
This video is sponsored by a win-win technology, your ultimate flight simulation hardware solution. Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well today for something a little different. We are going to do some data analysis that sounds very boring, but in reality it should be like this. Be interesting, let's see the Fates as in all of us, our

favorite

modules

in DCS. I have been collecting data for the past few years. In fact, let me tell you about the story a few years ago, you asked me. To make in-depth and in-depth empirical objective buyer's guides, I trimmed down the reviews of the

modules

and DCS as I could, so I did that and here we have a playlist of 35 videos, basically, all the different modules in DCS, comparing them to each other. yes, giving them scores. different categories of what I thought you guys would be interested in if you want to check out this playlist and I'll link it in the description of the video and you can come watch it to get an idea of ​​how we would actually rate the different modules so some of the elements of We could rate the modules between one and five, five being the best, one of them the worst and some not, so, for example, in each review we analyzed the capabilities, weapons, sensors and navigation, now we could.
the grim reapers group s favorite dcs modules 2020
I don't rate it because it wouldn't be fair to rate us, say, a Spitfire that only has guns and bombs against an F-16 that has everything you know, it's just not fair if we take into account that we are rating the quality of the The module is not how many things it can bomb and that's important for today, so we look at the navigation capability of the weapons centers, we look at the kinematic performance across the board, how tight it can turn, how fast it can turn, how high it can fly, etc the different attributes again we could not compare them with a score of one to five because again it is not fair to compare an i-16 with an f-14 visual effects we can compare these visual effects we can rate between one terrible and five excellent and we would look inside the cockpit outside the cockpit and various sound effects again we look at the sound engine and if you want to know more about this go see one of the reviews between one and five interactive, it actually details how interactive the cockpit is How many buttons can we click and knobs can we turn?
the grim reapers group s favorite dcs modules 2020

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What does it sound like when we do that? How does it feel when we do that? How many systems behind those buttons and stuff are modeled between one and five? The next qualifying quantifiable element was six. flight model and I have a set schedule of how I would rate the flight models and again between one and five on how we like that and finally the difficulty, this one wasn't, I know it's one to five, but it's not really readable, that's I'm just telling you how hard it is one easy, five hard to learn how to use it correctly and a little bit about the history of things we could rate visual effects sound effects interactivity detail and flight model then we went and rated them and what I gave you guys access to this sheet if I can find it here, this will help you decide which module you want to buy based on whether we like it or not and the tabs at the bottom again I'll link this in the video description. if you want the tabs at the bottom are all the modules in dcs so if we go to the left and then start with the av-8b you can see uh here's an eaglet with his cap visual effects 4 sound effects 4 interactivity 3.5 flight model 4 difficulty This is not counted again in the score, but I put it here 4 and a total of those columns there of 15.5.
the grim reapers group s favorite dcs modules 2020
Now it wouldn't be very good if it was just me. When you collect data like this, sample size really matters. In general, in general, the math world tells us that the more people we have collecting data, the larger the sample size will be and this is a large sample size of about 20, 32, well, 32 people, so we will get data more precise generals. how math and life really work, so I got as many guys as I could to make the grading as serious as possible. I have this for each vegan f5 module and so on, so what we have at this point is some good and pretty accurate data and keeping in mind that we all have different things, I like different things to follow you, you like different things.
the grim reapers group s favorite dcs modules 2020
Style, you like things to dip into encryption, so what we're doing is averaging everything here and giving a good final score. Finally, it's taken a while to get here, but we have the summary. This was done by Bean. I don't know how he does it, but he is very smart and he does it. It looks at all the above data and summarizes it, so we have the module name here. I know we only have 24 modules and there are actually more. We've qualified, but I'll find out later. We have an average difficulty score only, so I think this is the mean rather than the median, so it will be an average.
We have variability, so how do we do it? I explain to them that, well, if everyone rated that 88 b the same score, then there would be zero variability, if some rated it very well and others matched it very poorly, there would be a high rate of high variability, um, I don't know, yeah, it says. whether it's marmite or we all like it, that's a great description, there are a number of reviews, so sample size again is important, the smaller the sample size, the smaller the sample sizes, the less accurate the data will be, that's again how it works and we.
I just got the rank here, valuable members of the stream ask: do we do community mods? No, we have not made community modifications. Maybe we should add that. It's up to you, I guess. So rc can you see the data? Yes, I mean. I'm already stumped, you know again, this is accurate data. The sample size is large 27 for the f14. You know the data doesn't lie and is way ahead of anyone personally. I wouldn't put them up there um I mean it's a great module uh and it's beautifully programmed it's well maintained you know it's very rare that there's a bug or if there is they fix it right away it was great there's nothing bad thing to say against it, but for me I still don't think it's the best.
I don't find it better for flying. Looks great. I still think that even after redoing the sounds, I still don't think it's the best in terms of gameplay. I never rate it. You know, obviously, I get asked every day. What model should I buy a cap? And as a first module, at least, I never say the F14, not because there is anything wrong with it, but because you never know that you are not learning aviation correctly with it. All you do is ask the guy. in the back to know, ask, the gesture is very rare that it is a human, you know, 99 of the people play with AI, you just say, find something on the radar, well, that way, that means you won't learn to use a radar correctly, you won.
You don't learn your prf, you won't learn your scan zones and stuff, whereas if I tell them to go on a hornet or an f16 or whatever, they learn it correctly from the bottom up and that's why I never recommend it for be of quality. I'm surprised it's peaked so far. Do you have any thoughts on that? Well, I think overall it's really one of the best-made modules out there. How did you get involved? How is that quantified? How do you explain that, first of all, it was released with full fair play features, which I think a lot of people appreciate?
Yes, it still has full functions. It has some API related issues, but unlike the f18 or f. -16 that are constantly changed, updated, broken, updated and broken, the f-14 apart from the target 54, the problems don't seem to have that problem, it just works, understood, I guess I'm a little biased that respect tho I hate it even though it's annoying f 18 that way of doing things is annoying isn't it like that constantly every month oh this has changed oh this has changed again oh this has changed um I'm a little biased because that's what pays my bills . um it sounds weird, but I let you know that new videos are coming out to show you how to see what Wagner changed this time, you know, 10,000 of you go and watch it and that's it. literally what pays my bills so it's kind of useful to me in some way so I guess I'm biased from that point of view but yeah you're right a full feature version is always best from the point of view from the player's point of view. look well, it's also an iconic plane, yes, but remember that this is strictly, I'll see it.
I've given people very precise information, you know, so it's not whether it's great or not, because you can't quantify what you can quantify. It's the sound visual effects, so the guys have done it and I think everyone has done it seriously because I know everyone on this forum. Sorry, they're in these sample sets and I think well, let's go and take a look at 14. Let's see who blows up. Sorry I just ruined this, here's who and why they rated it good. If I can try to find it, wait f14 so all these people know what they're talking about, they have hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours. in this in this this thing keep an eye on everyone other than jd and pull things out these are basically perfect graphics which is fine I agree these are probably the best graphics in DCS right yeah yeah sound effects .
Now this bothers me because you can quantify the sound effects. the sound effects are good or bad um and I pointed out in my review about the sound effects, I mean again at the time of this, the sounds were just updated and that's not included here, I mean literally a few days ago , but I posted some obvious issues with the sounds and yet these guys have reappeared in fighter photo five. In fact, where are you? Even you're here, you're not there, right, um, so that bothers me, why people, but again I know, people don't. I'm not lying, you know they think it sounds great, so yeah, I mean, now they'd probably rate it above five, well yeah, interactive detail, I rated it five out of five, although it's weird with the gesture interface, You know again, it's not really attractive. explosion failure per se um, you know, reading the 400 page manual and going through the systems, it's all there, it's all there, they've done a great job, there's no doubt about it, so it had to be five, I guess some people rate it a four, but Well, flight model. um, I know it's hard now.
I don't really like the flight model. It's too unstable, it's too bumpy, it's too much, you know, it's not. It's too much for me, I think, but again I can't. Write it because they have simulated what they think is a real F14 flight model and the actual quality of the real measurable parameters that matched in the videos, it is actually rated high, so 4.5 for me, I'm the four of a type and sometimes five, but do you think about flying the cat? Do you like all those hits? Well, I think it might be a little bit like, what's it called?
He said it's actually pretty soft, but it does. I think there are bumps. There's definitely bumps when you're, you know, doing turns and things like that, yeah, I mean, I think it's a big plane with a big wingspan, I think I could have defined it, it's probably pretty close, but none of us know, we just No. you know, except for the people who actually flew the plane, um, okay, uh, difficulty, it doesn't matter, it's not included in the results anyway, so there's a lot of 20s out there, so it's okay, but it's what follows. one, the second highest rated by gr, it was a big surprise to me if I can find it, uh, summary, it's the vegan one, that's a plane.
I wouldn't think again that there's nothing wrong with it, it's great, it's very well built, it was released, I can't remember that was a few years ago, wasn't it likely that it was more or less fully featured and would have been well maintained ? You know, I can't remember. I mean, I'm sure there have been people with him, but I don't remember anything important. um again up there better than an f-18 better than an f-16 better than an a-10 your thoughts are vegan uh I think so like you said it's been complete for a long time and it works very well graphically it's great I think which is a great module overall yeah I'm just going to test it if it's better than one or the other I don't know I mean it's a different kind of mod it's a different kind of plane yeah oh which one is ? makes this so difficult for me, but it also means that we have to trust the data, because you and I have our own biases and the nice thing about statistics and sample sizes is that it's actually a way to overcome that kind of bias. prejudices than me and you have it because the average is outside the prejudices, I don't know how it works, someone has to have someone from Cleveland to explain it anyway, well, that's the second place.
I upvoted it pretty high, 17.5, so I guess I think again like we talked about it. was that it's pretty much full featured, it does everything it's supposed to do, um, that whole flight system and it's very well modeled, I think it's good, it deserves a high rating, no, John, I have a vegan flight model , it is only for transmission. The commentsThey're like each other, but they're just as good as each other, uh, and they're literally made by the same programmer, more or less, as far as I know, yeah, but the 15 is different, it's a different airplane.
Yes, but look at the things we are measuring. What is the visual quality? The quality of the sound. The interactive detail. The quality of the flight model. Yeah I know, yeah okay I'm thinking you know we should be robots here but obviously we're not you know people are human so people like it too it's not even though it's not have, you know people like the flight model more than the 15, yeah, okay, yeah, okay. well, personally I think it's a great module, I love it, yeah, I personally think well, this is mine. I think 15 and 86 should be more or less the same.
I think they should both be between 14 and 15. They're just, you know. You're a little old-fashioned now. I would say there are cool modules, you can buy them and have fun with them, but yeah, anyway, that's where I think F5 should be. 15 and a half. It's just a good solid. Everyone knows the F5. Many people start. I made it with it for a hifi module, it's good, it's easy to use and it's a lot of fun and even now the flight models are top notch, you know, it's not an f14, it's not big and it's not that, but it's good, it's solid and fun. um, something about the f5, no, yes, yes, it's interesting again, it's just a little sighted scene playing, it's actually an incredibly good module if you go and have it and try it empirically again, it suffers from ce2 syndrome, It only has a small sample size so you can't really trust it so I'm not going to pay too much attention to it but there you have it, mc21 actually suffered a little here during 15.3 or something, I think it's um I mean, I guess it's my thing.
Marmite, though, isn't it because it can be and you can see it has one of the greatest variability? You know, it's kind of a love or hate game playing with me 21 and it's hard, I think it's under under, I think it's slightly underlined. what it should be personally i think it should be at least i think it's probably a little bit better than the f5 in terms of module, it should be something like 16, but it will frustrate some people a little bit, like the mi-8. I know it's not that easy and yes you can see it's getting annoying.
I don't know anything to add about the mig-21 and it's not recent, I mean no, recently the Big 21 has gone down a lot. I have to say yes. radar problem, but it's still a good module, it's not really and you know, and when I see a mission coming, I don't know, often when a mission comes up I can't choose what to fly, they put me on a plane and when the mission comes up and I look 21 I say yeah, I'll let you know it's cool, it's challenging, it's hard but it makes you feel good because well, from the x factor, whatever, that's cool um l39 exactly where I think I should be a little over 15.
It's a good solid module, nothing wrong with it, it's had some bugs with multi-crew, but what plane doesn't it have in DCS, maybe it's F14, but any ideas on that, no mirror 2000, sorry. mirror 3000 no, that would upset a lot of people, but I think it's placed exactly where it should be, it's just not that good, it has a sample size of 18 which is pretty good, this is data you can trust. its variability is average, it's good solid data here, I flew it for two hours the other day, you know, it's a decent module, you'd know I'd spend my 80 or whatever it cost when it came out, but now compare it to anything above it just isn't so good feeling it's just not there for me the sound just isn't right um and I think that's what the guys have that exactly where I think it should be 14 and a half or whatever you know go buy it have fun , it knocks down some guys, but it's not good for modules, anything on top of it, anything you want to add about the mirage, oh okay, roger mig 15, I think it's underlined, I think it should.
Being level with the f86 around the 14th and I have suspended the reasons why the Big 19 is down there. He's probably where he deserves. I'm a fan of the Big 19, but more of the plane than the Raspbian module, I think I really love it like a plane um when I looked at it empirically how good the graphics are just not that good how good the sound is it's awful um any other thing you know how good the other odds are and that's why it's just not that good um and which is annoying because I wish they spent a little more time again um and it's not just me making things up you know I'm still waiting how many years It's this, a year and a half or something more.
I'm still waiting for the optical site to be working on the rockets and the weapons that I have, you know, on my to-do list, I'll show you, try it, this is my to-do list, a list of things that need to be done or they publish something else, so now that they are in quotes, they have the Harrier out of early access, they need to finish the mig-19 and I mean, it needs things where the textures are not quite correct, the sounds need to be revised and it it better if you're going to charge that kind of money for it you have to finish like this things like this you need to use the module it needs to be fixed for the Harrier you know, so a really good base is not quite there uh, and that's exactly how it is we qualify so it's nice to see democracy working from the bottom up but hopefully when it's done right and out of early access I can see that being really good it's also a cool plane uh c101 I think. that's terribly underrated, note again we're not talking about if you can fight at f16, you can't, but how cool is the topic of modules 101.
I want honesty odds over 15. I think it looks honest, probably my best cabin in DCS. I think it's absolutely beautiful, the support of the C101 guys, you know, it's really very good, the plane itself. I don't like the C101, the plane, you know, I don't have any ambition to go fly one, but the module was excellent, the flight model feels good, it's just a good plane, any thoughts on that, yeah, that's it everything, I'm going to see what the guys said, I guess they just said it's slow, you can't fight dogs, hair dryer, doom, flying model, oh that's it. interesting it actually died on the flight model kingston shifty cover ob or two which is actually really bad which is interesting because to be honest I think the models are really good but again you know a little bit and it's pretty small sample size, but it's been poorly rated for those reasons um it's a shame, I think it's, I think it's uh, I'm happy with it, I'm happy to spend my money on it, something to add about the 101, no, it's a good module, I think it's been under and I have to say that the developer I'm always impressed with them because they are constantly working on it, yes, it's very very strange, a patch note comes out with no changes in c101, the Most things I don't care about or never even understand, but it's always there.
I realize we're running out of time, so Gazelle is right at the end and I think I love the company police. It's wonderful, Sven, the guy is great, I think he looks great, you know? when, especially when he came out, it looks good, it sounds good, um, cool weapons and stuff like that, but you can't help the fact that it feels horrible, whether it's realistic or not, it feels horrible and it doesn't make you smile. my face, I don't know, if it ever bothers me I don't want to go blow it up because it doesn't look right to me, it was disgusting and I think that's probably why people have rated it lower.
I'm going to take a quick look which is a shame because otherwise to be honest very good module you'll see here 4.5 visual 3.5 sounds interactivity pretty good for flight model 2.5 or a wildcard uh ruby ​​one uh camera one and he's a microphone proper helicopter pilot broken crew uh he flies like an rc model we know all about it um, it should be fun, but that's not exactly what it should be fun, but it's not. I think there is something wrong with DCS or something not working at all in DCS with light. uh c2 planes because they should be fun, but they're not for me, what do you think of that?
Yeah I would agree so if you had a flight mode that we liked and I can't really quantify it uh but If you had a flight mode that we liked like the huey like the mi-8 like the kf50 I think it would be up there um Well with the kf50 I will be up there with the kf50 so you know, I love the boys but for them the problem is at the end of the day fc3 I don't want to spend a lot of time down there because it's fc3 true it's just a stepping stone to get into dcs it's what which is today um simple simple planes actually there are some really There are good things there some of the graphical models are as good as you know full fidelity some of the damage models are as good as full fidelity as we have Done some testing and some of the flight models are even better than hi-fi. planes, um, but they will be downgraded because things like the interactive ones, in fact, the details are something you know, there's nothing there, so you can't get a high score even though some of them are really very good and it is still where I suggest you start an fc3. just so you can continue with DCS and that's it, I'll see, um, it's just good data right, done right.
I don't agree with much, but that's my problem. Anything you want to add before we finish, I hope you can. I enjoyed that until later

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