Kobe Bryant's LAST GREAT INTERVIEW On How To FIND PURPOSE In LIFE | Kobe Bryant & Jay Shetty

it comes from personal experiences first and then you look at the broader scope, okay, how do you take something extremely personal and then channel it in a way that the masses understand and understand it, but it always starts? in the element of truth and then you start to unpack that by sitting down to think and figuring out the character and you know who this person is and you know who their family is and that's when I start to get into trouble, you know, because it's like the questions no It doesn't end, yeah, you know, so I like books, books, books, books, books, books, books, books, books and background books because it's not enough to just say the characters this way, yeah, why what are they like?

Yes, for the parents, well, where do your parents come from? You know where the parent comes from, why they're raising a child this way and then you know what it has to do with the economy around them and then just one thing leads to the next and then you're just writing all kinds of things, It's crazy, yeah, that's amazing because I think a lot of us know that in our lives we get stuck in our imagination because you go into that autopilot mode, yeah, doing the same thing every day. routine, same commute, yeah, and it's like I feel like what you're sharing is easy for anyone to do, it's not like, oh, because you could be Brian, you don't feel like everyone gets into that truth, you can

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it. these creative outlets yeah well you know creativity is in everything you know even consistency what I found is that creativity a lot of the time comes from structure.

I agree, I'm just saying you said that when you have those parameters and the structure. Then, within that, you can be creative, but if you don't have the structure, you're just aimlessly doing things. Yes, you know where you're going, you know, so you like to have a clear structure of understanding. Okay, this morning, I'll like when. I was writing a wizard series and describing the legacy. I arrived in the morning at 7 a.m. and I'm there. I'm writing the backstory from seven to 12, then I go pick up my kids and then I come back and I'm writing again. like within that structure, you know that my mind when I go to sleep is already like planning what will be the next day because I know that you know what I have to do, it is that coherence and structure, yes, I can agree more with you.

I'm writing my first book right now, oh wow, and a lot of people have been asking me like Jay and I say I have a very programmed approach to writing and they'll say, how do you

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inspiration in that? moment, what if you're not inspired at that moment and I say no? Structure helps spontaneity, yes, of course, it is that consistency that generates creativity. Well, that's the thing too, you know people think you're just nice. of you know, reflecting and all of a sudden, uh-huh, you know, like the show we have on espn now called detail, yeah, basketball, you know, the sports breakdown show, um, that occurred to me when I was walking with my wife shopping, yes, and I look. to a piece of fabric and I'm like wow, this is really the detail and this thing is oh my detail, this name of the show and then it all came from there, but I had been thinking about a show like that for like a year, yeah.

I know and I couldn't, I couldn't let go, I'm like what I have, I have to find a sports program that I'm going to do, but it can't just be basketball, the focus has to be broader and I want to listen to the best minds of the world listening to peyton manning i want to hear what it's about for a year and then all of a sudden a boom, you know, and people think it comes out of nowhere, yeah, you have to kind of obsess for a while and then it lets go. absolutely, you had to plant the seed a lot earlier, yeah, to see the fruit, yeah, and you gotta water it all the time, man, like you gotta sit and watch and watch other shows that are out there and like you know and you finally find out you know when the answer comes to you it's like oh my god I could have thought of that on the first day.

I remember John Williams told me that he said he would sit down for like two months to try to figure out what the melody is, yeah, and he'll just be playing, he'll be at the piano all day, he'll say the only day he'll go out is Sunday. because his wife forces him. that he takes Sundays off and he'll just be sitting there riding nice and then he just comes over, yeah, and he says he really could have thought about that on the first day, why it's so simple, yeah, absolutely, and that's what that people don't do.

You don't realize, it's like when you go out, you go shopping with your wife and you see the details and you say, "Okay, that's the show" and then you come back to coherence to create it, yeah, it's like you know it wasn't So. just like oh now I thought about I'm just going to throw that idea out like now I'm going to go back to the drawing board I have the name now do it around I try what I'm trying to do is tear down the idea and find out all that's wrong with the idea ooh, okay , right, this show won't work because details like this, for example, won't work because it's not for fans, it's for the one percent of athletes, yeah, okay, it would be successful, people would connect to it. like you know, you start unpacking every little thing, how would we film?

Can I even get Peyton Manning to do it? Could I let you know? And you start knocking them down. The same with novels, like characters, plots and stories. No, here's why I felt like that really helps me, yeah, I really like that approach, actually because I think sometimes, especially now in the world, we go to the wishful thinking side, like you have a positive vision and you say Oh, this is it. how it's going to turn out well and then you ignore the bad things, yeah, or you ignore the kind of potholes or loopholes because you're like oh no, I don't want to focus on the negativity, yeah, but actually what we're saying is that if you're aware of those known unknowns, then you can break them down yourself, well, yeah, it's the same for any big movie, you have to have the antagonist, yeah, you know, a strong villain character will really do it. drive the narrative if you don't have it, you don't have anything that your hero has to bounce off of, you know that villain could be, you know, evil, it could be something inside you, it could be whatever, but you have to have that . clear antagonist that is driving a narrative forward and so in this sense it is the same thing that you separate the negative and from that you can move forward, yes, absolutely move forward, what I love here right now is that everything I hear is like Kobe. the narrator like I love it like what I feel is like what I hear is your obsession and obsession yeah with the stories and it's not just like you know I'm saying this it's like you've actually studied stories like you've really broken them down and it. have you understood where, tell me where that obsession comes from in general, how you find the obsession and how you have applied it to the story, yes, the obsession just comes from something that you love like you really love it.

You'll go through the fire for it, you know, you'll go through the ups and downs and you'll keep doing it because you love it so much, you know, and the story for me started a long time ago. I had excellent English. teacher at Lower Marion High School named Jay Mastriano, and she explained the art of storytelling to me my sophomore year and that's where I started to fall in love and understand story structure. You know how to develop compelling characters and how stories work. um they're the driving force, whether they're inspiring information that really changes society, yes, absolutely, yes, we are defined by the stories that we tell ourselves, whether it's personally or out in an absolutely absolute way and it seems like you just mentioning that it just shows the role of teachers and now when you find out that teachers are using the work that you are creating to teach, that must be amazing, it comes full circle, yeah, you know, it's a cool feeling, man, like I'd like to grow up when I was in high school, I didn't read much, yeah, you know, because basketball was my thing now, if you give me a basketball book or a sports book or a sports psychology book or I'm devouring it, you know what I mean? because it was a clear focus for me, which brings me a little bit to this market also because, like our active children who love to be outdoors and play all the time, they don't read, no, but they are missing out on a lot things. by not reading, but they will read if there's something that they feel speaks to them so true, you know, and now I think we have more readers in the world because of that, hopefully, so true, no, I think so.

I agree with you. and that's why we're all different and I think there's such a need for what you're doing because when I was a kid I never enjoyed fiction and I thought I didn't like reading because all the books that school suggested were fiction. books and then when I was 14 my dad gave me an autobiography and a biography and I devoured them and then I started reading because I want to hear about real people who break down and develop and learn and grow and like what they've been through. failure and I want to hear about poverty and wealth and I want to hear about real people who went through real pain, that's true, but I grew up believing that I didn't like to read well and I think that's you.

You're absolutely right, I think there are a lot of kids who think they don't like reading or who think reading is boring, it's a problem because like what I found in the industry, that's why we publish ourselves because a lot of publishers want to publish. same type of story, you know, same type of plots, same looking characters, not many diverse characters at all, so we said, you know what we're going to have to do this on our own. way we don't have anyone in our way telling us what the market wants to hear I don't care that we write stories that come from the heart and our characters look like my daughters because my daughters don't have characters that look like them, it's a

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book, so yeah, they'll look like my kids and, uh, and we'll go from there, yeah, I think what you just brought up about diversity and representation is huge.

It's huge, man, huge because I don't see it, man, and as you know, the books are just the first thing, the publishing is the first thing now, if we look at the animation, it's even worse, it's even worse, you know, in terms of character development, um diverse. characters, but even beyond that, the animators themselves there is no diversity in that industry, and I'm not just talking about racial diversity but also gender diversity, so there are a lot of things that we need to address and that we are taking on. And I hope to make the world and the industry a better place because of it.

Yes, no, I totally agree that I am a British Indian, born and raised in London. I have never seen any characters anywhere, because they think you know the masses. market they don't go to isn't going to appeal to the mass market so we're not going to do that yeah exactly wait what what yeah and everything is spreading so fast now and everything is global now yes, of course, almost all content is global Now and most global markets are growing everywhere, so the need for people, especially young people, to be able to see themselves in characters and even and it's not, and I think it's a deeper point that What you are asking is that you want to be able to see. your story in someone fair, even beyond the color and background, is like your story, your

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experience when we did your basketball, we received a lot of criticism from people like me.

At first I took him to some very prominent studios and they all said yes. no, um, because you said basketball is too specific a sport, no one is going to connect with this kind of stuff because you know there are a lot of people who don't watch basketball and I'm like, well, that's not the point, yeah, I still don't. is. The point was really a case study, even with our novels, everyone was like sports novels, no one was going to read them, which is too niche in every market, I think sports are bigger than that man, so we did his basketball to really prove the point that you don't have to watch basketball at all to connect with the journey of a dream, yeah, you know, and once we saw that connection validated, our point of view, I think is a huge point of view and for anyone listening or watching right now who thinks that because Kobe Bryant wants to do something it just happens, it just shows that sometimes you have to do it yourself because not everyone is going to believe in you, certainly It's not true, certainly not, and what we'll see once you start doing it and now people want to come and participate, but I think you know you forced us to do it ourselves so I think we're just going to build it from scratch. . ourselves, but yeah, thank you exactly, they saved them, yeah, sure, thank you, they appreciate it because if you signed up, you'll know that justGo with the flow totally, yeah, you can be grateful for this, yeah, yeah, absolutely not, I agree , it was the same with this podcast.

It's pretty funny when we pitched to a lot of people, a lot of people were considering if it was like that. I'd like to know that you do social videos like it's going to work on a podcast and there were a lot of people who weren't sure and then we launched some of the biggest podcasts in the world on thehealth category, which is my world and I thought everyone was like oh interesting, but I'm like, thank you, yeah, thank you so much for saying no and you didn't think it was going to work because now I realized for myself that it did and of what you said. it actually builds trust and validation, yeah, Oprah told me this when I first decided to build the studio and I asked her how Harpo came about and she said well, when she was doing her contract for the Oprah Winfrey show, she was renewing her contract and In fact, the first contract she made she said, "Well, don't pay me up front, I just want to own a percentage of the show, so they gave it to you now, at that time there weren't any black women hosting a daytime show." .

The talk show isn't doing well, so it was really new and she said, "You know Kobe," if they thought the show was going to be successful, they wouldn't have given me, giving me that, "they wouldn't do it." We're thinking, oh we have to steal, we don't have to pay him, we can take this money and move it here, this is

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, you know it's going to be a failure or we'll be successful, I don't know, at least we have diversity on television. okay and suddenly it's oh oh oh oh oh problem, we shouldn't have given it away, we opened Pandora's box right now, so now you come back for the next deal and it's like you have to give me more ownership, yeah.

Damn, and finally she, you know, came alone to 100 of her show, yeah, which is amazing, wow, that's a great story, yeah, that's fascinating, I think because sometimes when you think you're like, oh , they like me, that's what they're giving you. No, yes, no, I don't like me, please, here's an idea, it's terrible, yes, I just need you to accept a little bit, yes, I love it, that's amazing, how dare you? You have shared so many stories about how your teacher taught you how to tell stories and write from the beginning. You just shared the example of Oprah.

Like you've had so many amazing mentors in your

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. We all know. How do you encourage young people to find the right mentors and how can they find the right mentors? through your work I guess your work is some mentoring, yes, we try to be, you know, and I think the important thing is the research, you know, in the hallway here in the office I have a room that I call the classroom the muses, we have all the portraits of some. of our muses here, from jk Rowling to you know, Steve Jobs, etc., etc., I think it's important to research them and it's like adding fuel to the fire every day, you know there is constant inspiration when you read about them and what they were . able to achieve how they achieved it, it's just feeding that flame and constantly learning, and the best way to do that is to learn from the people who have done it, yeah, that made me so happy.

I have a gallery wall in my house if we were filming this in my house in hollywood like I have a gallery award steve jobs is there yeah yeah right and einstein is there martin luther king is there and there's some other people and it's for me, it's the same. Sometimes I sit there and think: What would that person do? How would you have met this challenge well? And you're absolutely right. I think you can be advised by people who are not 100% alive because their stories still live, which brings us to the importance of telling stories, yes, their stories still live, these muses are here, it is important to learn from them and If anything, it helps you remember that they are human like us, yes, these great things that are achieved can be achieved, yes, by others and beyond, you know, building the Walt Disney Company is not something you know people Look, he scoffs and says, oh, it can't be done right, why not, why not, yeah, and the more you act, the more you think. it's possible yeah because you realize there are people like us who make mistakes like us and they continued and we can absolutely do the same thing man well I could talk to you for hours but you're a busy man and you have a lot of things to do do, so we end each

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with what we call the final five rapid-fire rounds, which means you have to answer in one word or one sentence at most.

I got it, so this is easy for you, so the first question is what does it bring? You are the greatest joy right now beautiful family second what do you want your daughters to think when they hear your name cute daddy number three your favorite animated movie pinocchio oh cute I didn't expect it to be the best yeah, they made me were in a zone? when they made that movie, question number four, the book that had the biggest impact on you, the alchemist, oh well, okay, great question number five, your only message to all storytellers would be to create from the truth, it's a beautiful man,

kobe

, thank you very much, this has been a man of honor, thank you for such a beautiful conversation, thank you for sharing so many gems, so many pieces of wisdom and anyone who is there right now, I have the copy of the book right here, the legacy and the queen, you can go get it and you can also Listen to The Punys podcast too right now so you can download it.

We'll put links to both in the comments section and in this podcast so you can go directly there. Kobe. Thank you very much for allowing us to enter. your space man this is really special thank you I remember this thank you man thank you if you want even more videos like this click on the boxes here and if you want to continue seeing these types of stories you can subscribe by clicking the link right here