The Case For Discriminating Against Incompetent Men | Tomas Chamorro-Premusic on Between You & Me

I am arguing explicitly and Vimy not passionately and passionately that we should discriminate against

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men who want to become leaders today among universities. I'm talking to the author Thomas tomorrow, the premise is that he wrote a book why so many

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men become leaders and how to fix it what is your definition of incompetent an incompetent man if the person who is in charge of leading the team generates burnout low levels of productivity low levels of trust and morale and as a consequence of that your team is less productive less effective less innovative than its competitors we can say that there is an incompetent leader.

Who do you think are the most competent political leaders and who is the most incompetent? I think that with politics it is very difficult and when you look at how a president, a prime minister, head of said affects In the country we do not have so many similar units of analysis to compare and there are so many other things, he said, there has been a perfect trunk in leadership , that you have been able to see what you mean by that, well, the, the, The Trump effect is how I would label the gap between what we look for in leaders and what we should look for.

I'm talking about most leaders, most people who are intuitively or unconsciously seen as leadership materials, especially in corporate America, which they are very similar to. Donald Trump there may be slightly less exaggerated versions of Trump, but they have a lot in common, you know, they seem brave, unaware of their limitations, strong, egocentric and you know, for some people, quite charismatic, it's Trump, very different from American presidents previous ones, I would say. To know who wants to become president of the United States, to begin with it has to be someone with quite narcissistic aspirations, right, it has to be a silent megalomaniac, it has to be quite brave and, in fact, it has to be quite capable of hiding any sense of insecurity, self-doubt, etc.

I find this idea of ​​the paradigm between what is expected of women and what is expected of men fascinating, because there is a lot of talk about the glass ceiling for women in each election, especially in past elections, breaking the glass ceiling It was kind of seen as the latter, but I find it interesting in the book you say that it's not so much about the glass ceiling for women, that's the problem in terms of female advancement, but it's actually the lack of barriers to men, what do you mean there is a There are many obstacles for women who want to become leaders, but in reality that has consistently contributed to increasing the quality of female leadership, in contrast, the lack of obstacles for men who do not should become leaders is quite evident.

I mean, how do we solve it by creating more barriers for men and how do we view those barriers. I am explicitly and Vimy not passionately and sincerely arguing that we should discriminate against incompetent men who want to become leaders when a person is masculine and seems unreasonably unaware of their limitations. self-satisfied aggressive perhaps funny charismatic and quite ambitious to the point of being greedy and narcissistic we say Oh leadership material when a woman displays similar characteristics even to a lesser degree we immediately dismiss her as being pathologically ambitious overconfident or not no matter how talented she is.

She thinks, the problem is that we don't have high or high enough standards when we judge men. Are you in favor of affirmative action? Do you think we should use affirmative action to increase the number of women? Knows? the boards of Fortune 500 companies, for example, or do you think there are problems with affirmative action? I think in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary because the best gender diversity intervention is to be gender blind and focus on talent and if you do that, it's actually sexist against men because you'll end up with a slightly higher proportion of female leaders. and men because you look at the qualities that predict performance.

That said, I'm not naïve enough to think that will happen anytime soon, so I think positive discrimination done as soon as possible can help us get there faster. How do you think the meeting movement has really helped or hurt us in eradicating incompetent male leadership? I think it will definitely help. It's too early to say it has helped, but I think it has. I know that sometimes things trigger in a semi-unpredictable way and remind us of things that we shouldn't need to be reminded of. You know it's not okay for men to sexually harass women or for anyone to sexually harass other people and it helps to have Leaders with self-control, integrity and empathy, so I think sometimes a single movement or paradigm can put this in front of people. to the point of forcing them to change, even if they don't really believe in it, but are under pressure to change.

On the other hand, it's important to understand that some of the leaders we celebrate Steve Jobs or Inner Mass may not be a bastion of altruistic behavior, but they are very talented, so they have the talent to back it up, you know, and at the end of the day day. People will be very forgiving if you are acting out and causing standards to change when your performance is not as high. You mentioned Sheryl Sandberg and supported her. It's been fascinating to see how Facebook is under the ring of Cambridge analytics on the Russian election. of things Mark Zuckerberg seems to be less responsible for Facebook's weaknesses and misdeeds than Sheryl Sandberg.

Why do you think it is very interesting not only that but also that when things were going well the credit went to Zuckerberg and not her? It is almost as if because she is a woman she is responsible for her flaws and problems, but she cannot be given credit for her successes. People still have leader archetypes, and especially if you delve into the entrepreneur archetype, you know that boundary-pushing, disruptive creative innovators move fast. and break things he has to be in

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there is a way back Frank competent leaders I'm thinking of someone like Elon Musk, for example, who you know fell out of favor with the SEC Do you think there should be a path to redemption of incompetent leaders? like Elon Musk, well, there is always politics, right, they can govern a country or something, but putting that aside, I think people like you know that masks are so unrepresentative that it is difficult to extrapolate, in general, for the average incompetent leader, there may be some people who fail. in some tasks but then can be trained can improve can do better can find a better fit a better organization a better calling about our industry a better culture that truly nurtures our potential but if we are talking about someone who job after job demonizes alienates and tortures your employees, your teams clearly do not deserve your success and yet they continue to increase, those are the biggest offenders.