Maajid Nawaz dismantles caller who says he is 'not British' | LBC

It was quite interesting to say that fish only makes up one per cent of the GDP, but it's obviously very evocative because you know it's the only thing that everyone talks about at the moment when no one talks about the city of London or that kind of thing. food trucks coming and going, although you hear kind of um, back and forth about that kind of thing. I think the whole fish thing is because it relates to the waters around this island and you know what British waters are and what people have access to. It's not really about the fish, I suspect Oswald, it's about the territorial waters, it's about control and I mean, most of the time, I think what really interests people is if you move away from the whole debate about the Brexit is what it will be. what the government does when it takes an action or makes a decision or makes a decision when it is negotiating will it reduce the chance of ethnic Britons becoming a minority by 2066?

Will that date be further away? Are they interested in Do They Know? They care? I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you were saying either. What will diminish the chances of ethnic Britons? Sorry I do not understand what you mean. Could you rephrase that? So yeah, so ethnic British are currently on track to become a minority by the year 2066 or so what is an ethnic British oswald what do you mean by that uh English Welsh Scottish and Irish so I'm English no you're a Pakistani man well, I was born in England and England is such a country Am I English?

So what is your ethnicity? Well, that's not what I'm asking you because it's Anglo-Saxon, but English is not English. An ethnic origin is not in my head. English is a country. Let me tell you what I think Anglo-Saxon is an ethnicity. and England is a country so I wonder what that is because by the way there is no ethnic Pakistani nor is there Oswald Pakistan was a country created in 1947 from about five ethnicities. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not a scholarly historian about your past, well, you don't have to apologize for that, it's not my country, Britain is my country, I was born well, I'll ask you the question directly, well, you're more than welcome, but before this conversation continues.

You accept that Britain is my country. I don't think you belong here, to be honest. Magic. I think you are a subversive globalist. Well, that's interesting, but whether or not you think I'm a subversive globalist and apart from whether it's true because I'm not even going to bother getting into that conversation, just look at my views on corporatism, global corporatism and yeah , you've said you're a globalist, yes that's right, it was actually a joke about four years ago but that's A different point is also whether or not I have that opinion or not, how does that negate being British?

I mean, there are white people who are globalists and you would still consider them British, so I wonder why an opinion is falsely attributed to me. Even if you were right it means I'm not British, are you happy with ethnic Brits becoming a minority in this? No, no, that's not the first answer to my question and I don't know if you answer that question, I'm afraid. You can't dictate the terms of this conversation that's what people want to hear they won't listen to people like you who have a voice in the media whatever it is you think people want to hear could you first have the courtesy to answer why?

Do you think if a white person had globalist views you would still consider it British, but if a person of color is incorrectly attributed globally, why is that okay? I don't know I'm asking you why you think I don't have the right to call myself British your ethnic roots come from somewhere in the Middle East that's not what I asked you you asked why you think I don't have the right to call myself British because you're not British So what do you think? I am, you are a Pakistani man, you are from the Middle East, but I don't have a Pakistani passport, so a piece of paper dictates your ethnicity, no, but no, but we have already agreed that Pakistani is not an ethnicity, so why that?

Are you telling me that I am one of the Pakistanis who can tell you about the Middle East and the roots of Middle Eastern people? That's right, so can you agree that England is a country like Scotland is a country and the ethnicity you are? I'm really trying to say it and then we can have a conversation. I'm glad to have a conversation with you about this, but I think what you're really trying to say is that you're worried that white Anglos are being stigmatized or discriminated against or might end up being a minority now that's a legitimate conversation I can have with you but not You can tell me I'm not British and then want to have that conversation with me because you've already delegitimized My point of view as far as I'm concerned, so there's no point in having that chat with you.

You see? Look, I mean, this is the opinion of every nation in the world that has its own ethnic people and yeah, I'm not. Disputing that I am disputing your definition of English as an ethnicity because England is a country if England separated from Scotland right that is a country yes now people can be English because they are members of that country but I suspect what you want say Are you concerned about the plight of white Anglo-Saxons in England? That's what you mean? Well, yes, basically, yes, so can we agree to the terms for this debate?

Because I can't talk to someone who doesn't believe I have a legitimate right. vision and participation in my country, listen, you may have a legitimate vision, but that doesn't change your ethnicity, you are missing the point if we are both equal in this country, as English and British, if we both think I am equal to you in this country, as a Briton and an Englishman, although not as an Anglo-Saxon, I would respect any view you offered on the future of white Anglo-Saxons in this country, as a view equal to yours because I have the same interest in this country as a Briton or an Englishman, but if you don't accept that I have the same interest in this country as a Briton or an Englishman in the country of England, there is no point in having a conversation with you because you are not going to accept what I say anyway, even yes I'm right because you think I don't belong here so the question is really Oswald if you mean white Anglo Saxons and can you accept that I'm British and English. in england country week i'm happy to carry on even though the switchboard is full of people trying to get through.

I am happy to continue this conversation with you but you would have to agree that I have an equal premise and a stake in this country first perhaps you have imagined that you can have a stake in this country do not try to put them in our eyes the same please the same I am equal to you in this country as an Englishman listen no, you just changed the question I asked two different questions because they are all the same. Am I British anyway? An equal Englishman with the same bet. Magic Magic You're not British You're not I'm sorry I know you I know you believe in Oswald I'm trying I'm trying I'm sorry I'm sorry to tell you this so you don't have to apologize not because I feel sorry for you because you're I'm trying to figure it out I know you I feel sorry for you me and I'm not mad at you.

I'm trying to figure out why you're confusing the ethnicity of being white Anglo-Saxon with membership in a country called England, so say that again so I can avoid it. I don't think you really understand what I'm trying to tell you, but I'm not mad at you because I've talked to people with your views many times, right? I'm trying to understand why you can't distinguish between ethnicities. in the sense of a white Anglo-Saxon group and I'm perfectly happy to have that conversation with you because I think working-class white Anglo-Saxons in this country have been treated terribly in fact, if they're paying attention. stop, stop, stop, wait, no, no, no, no, no, I would, I'm sorry, but you don't get to set the rules in this conversation, if you stay tuned for the next hour, you'll hear me defending the fans of Millwall, so in fact, I am incredibly critical, even in environments where I regularly mix with white liberals who don't understand the white working classes and you will hear me talk about that in the next hour, but that is a separate conversation on white Anglo-Saxons and their The plight of this country is a separate conversation from insisting that I'm not English or I'm not British and I hope Oz can get past the labels you're putting on that from the idea of ​​where we might end up.

I agree with a little more than you might think. I would if you could stop insulting me like you're not British, you're not English, that's fair Oswald, but I'm not going to insult you, don't get distracted, man, forget that why. I said don't get distracted by the names, stay focused, stay focused, I'm not offended at all, but I've told you three times I'm not offended, no, sir, I said forget the names, stay focused, yeah, it's okay, it's okay, tags, call, use the word tags if you like the question is can I be a member of the country of England?

Well, you can, you can live here and you can have a passport here, but that doesn't work. Can I be an equal? No I can not. to be an equal member of the country of England an equal member what does that mean to you as a citizen? Well, if you're talking about the fact that you probably own property here and have a passport. Ah, Oswald, listen, you know what you've got. just done, you know what you've done, you've damaged your cause incredibly because you had the opportunity right now to talk to someone who isn't angry, to talk to someone who was going to be rational with you, to talk to someone who was giving you a chance more than anyone else because you've had the whole 15 minute segment, we have to go to the news.

I was giving you the opportunity to express yourself in a way that doesn't deny me and my identity. I would have sympathized with you, as I already said, the next hour is up to me, sympathizing with Mirwill fans booing by kneeling, you just missed a great opportunity to unite people and instead wanted to focus on the stamp that I'm not an Englishman or I'm not British, which is fine, you have every right to hold that opinion, but unfortunately you have done a disservice to your own cause and I suspect that your cause is very important, the importance of your cause is to defend the white working classes, I'm with you on that, but you've done your whole cause a disservice because now everyone's going to listen and I'm not going to call you that by the way because I don't insult people, but everyone's going to listen it's racist and that's unfortunate because I really want to be able to have a conversation with people like you and avoid the silly labels because it's just not necessary who's English and who's not English and just talk about substance, but I wish you'd call me. the next hour because maybe we'd had a different talk anyway.

I hope you have a good day. I hope you have a nice Christmas mulled wine and relax and I wish you all the best.