Roland Martin On His New Book ‘White Fear’, The Need For White Allies, Black Leverage + More

What should we worry

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about? Well what it means is that I don't want us in 2043 and 2050 to look like South Africa where the

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people who had the numbers got the political power but were still economically deprived, we are educationally deprived and that's what it comes down to. about power right now the Congressional Black Caucus has 58 members The Supreme Court is hearing two cases where there should be an additional seat in Louisiana and Alabama that will increase to 60. Governor Rhonda Sanders in Florida completely erases

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districts because they want allowing

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Republicans it's about power when you're talking about elected officials, about power, about control over resources, about allocating billions of dollars, that's what it all comes down to, and what I'm talking about is we have to recognize What's going on here, we have to be in a situation where, well, the federal government right now spends $560 billion every year on contracts, we get 1.67 percent of those contracts, well, yeah now there are more representatives who are not using The levels of power increase that in the Black Caucus Foundation's speech to Congress on Saturday night, Biden talked about taking those numbers to I think it was a hundred billion dollars, it will be a task It's hard to go from nine to a hundred in five. years, that's the point when they talk about this in the infrastructure bill that was passed. 1.2 trillion more than 600 billion will be for transportation.

I moderated the panel with the clerk, Judge Pete Buda, talking about how we're going to benefit from those contracts. harnessing that is power, look at the struggle we have in the advertising industry. 322 billion spent every year just point five percent goes to black owned media and now we have forced General Motors and Target uh and McDonald's and these numerous companies to increase their spending on black owned media that is leveraging the use of their influence. and influence to diminish economic power and, therefore, we cannot, we cannot lose sight of how we take advantage of what people here do not want us to be able to build.

Being able to grow because when we are excluded from the economic part, then guess what other issues we care about. Criminal justice reform, mass incarceration, education, everything, throw away money in America if you don't have a conversation about money. you're not having an American conversation, that's what this boils down to when even when you say

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people have lost their minds, you know history shows us that they never did, you know it sounds good, but you obviously understand the phrase there. because look now it's getting real look remember in the last election 71 2020 71 to 73 turnout was what's fine so people sit here and go oh without uh uh uh black people won this election it's well, yes and no, but the bottom line is here that means African Americans, Latinos, Asian Native Americans, all combined, we were about 28 30 total, but now you're seeing that drop, now you're seeing how the numbers they're changing, so when you hear the grand replacement theory, okay, the sphere they're in. replacing us no they are replacing you

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people you stop having babies you started having sex that's what really happened and the opioid epidemic and a further increase causing a white death rate called because white people uh, whites uh uh opposed The death rate of whites increased, but also life expectancy decreased, but covertly it also caused the life expectancy of black men to drop by three years, so all these things are happening before us, the issue is that right now, I think it's 12 states, the annual white death.

The birth rate is higher than the white birth rate, so they are angry with a growing minority population. The reason you've had this immigration backlash in Europe is because, guess what, the Italians are starting to dwindle in number, the French and the Germans, and for nations to remain strong, you literally have to replace people, which It means that more have to be born. or you have to have immigration to be able to sustain a country economically, that's just simple math and people hate it, but they don't want to deal with it and their reaction is that's why we hear these phrases: Losing your way, but what does that mean?

We are losing our culture. Well, first of all, what is our culture? We are losing what we know is America. Well, it doesn't matter what exactly America is to you, that's why. What Kaepernick did was very strong because they said: how dare they be first responders? It's the flag, it's America, and we're like, yeah, we see it a little differently than all of you since you mentioned immigration. Can you talk about it? the governors of Texas and Florida and the whole situation with immigrants flying and arresting Martha's Vineyard pushing white

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buttons here's a deal Texas is that I'm native protection I'm still ready to vote there do you understand the Texas economy? eliminate latinos and blacks buy texas here's the other crazy thing because of the last census texas texas gained several new seats in congress because of the population what scope does that population growth have?

Latinos, what if they do it? Basically, they basically created three white Republican districts, one Latino. said well he'd give you one but the growth was driven by the Latino population so what you're having is you've got Governor Greg Abbott, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick again pushing the white

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buttons and these people are running oh my gosh , uh uh uh. we are losing our state first right now, the majority of kids in public schools right now are black and brown, now we are wondering who controls those economic levers, who controls those dollars, who controls the curriculum, who controls the hiring of teachers, so what is that? that's what you're seeing and what Rhonda Santos is doing in Florida, well, Greg Abbott is doing in Texas, they're fueling that white rage.

Everything about critical race theory was about fueling white rage, this rage against the diversity of Dei. Equity inclusion, look at the reaction. all these white conservatives had to win Vice President Kamala Harris' coup the other day let's guarantee this equity when it comes to Hurricane Ian, she should have put up with that, I hated that she took that right away, well they should, what again. what the White House should have said is sorry, here are examples of previous hurricanes and natural disasters that the New York Times has reported on other media outlets, public media outlets and others that show how black and brown communities were in short circuit. of dollars when it comes to hurricane relief.

It's undeniable, but let's look at what happens again and this is where liberals and progressions really piss me off because they don't know how to fight, they get rejected by conservatives and Fox News and conservative radio and everyone takes it and runs with it it's like, oh my god, they're upset, tell them to go to hell, that's true, and they say, hit them with the facts and look, they're not willing to challenge them. I went like Mark Levin, a conservative radio talk show. host, he was going crazy the other day, with me and with Maya Wiley because I, when I moderated a voting session in the subsequent Congressional caucus, he says Roland Martin, he is so liberal that he will never invite me on the show, like a brother who I was listening. who was texting me while he was live on my show what he said I said oh that what he said I invited his ass on the show right there I didn't get the call from my producer when the show ended then I hit him the next Monday he didn't They hit them back look, they're used to throwing rocks but they're not used to being hit the White House has learned to hit that's right, how to hit hard look Chris Christian is still angry after I lit his ass on ABC this week It was a year ago I haven't been invited back since it came up, I'll hit you and then we, we, we, we can't be afraid, there are people who say, well, you know, I mean the title of your

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is provocative I say, well damn, I said Larry Elder came out with a

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called stupid black man, I said and everyone leave it, I'll call it what it is because it's white fear, the studies show it, they're running around, oh.

OMG we are losing we are going to be losing resources the study was published in 2018 this is ridiculous where white voters are 2008. White voters were told they were rebelling against welfare programs because they were losing money and the minorities were winning. You know there are more broke white people in America. You definitely know that we are in poverty. The problem is the media for over 50 years has created the image that welfare is for black people, that is correct in their minds when oh my goodness they are going up, they are benefiting in 2000 which started this book in 2009 was a study.

It was a survey the question was asked this is around Obama's inauguration are you optimistic about the future of America for your children? each group black latino asian yes the majority said yes only one group was less than the majority of white americans september 2016 the question was asked are you? optimistic about the economic future of the United States over the next 10 years, blacks have the lowest level of wealth, the highest optimism, Latinos, the second lowest level of wealth, have optimism, whites, the highest level of wealth, by far the lowest optimism, and you have to say wait how they got Mo Money than anyone else.

Otherwise, the optimism of the Lord because they see that train coming because their children now have to compete. You have white men in Hollywood right now. I mean, we can't get any jobs. All us blacks can't get a job. Oh, I am. Sorry, they're used to getting 95 percent of the jobs, now they're getting 88 and they're mad it went down seven. Look at author James Patterson. I don't care about that grant, that million dollars you just gave Howard. University, why did he give it? Because people said it's hard for white men to publish books now. Have you seen the world of book publishing and how many white men published books?

Even when they look at the New York Times it's like that. The lists are so racially biased that the top ten are mostly white people, so what are they running around now saying, oh my God, we're losing everything and you're saying they're literally mad because they're getting twos and threes? and five percent less right because we're going to pick up that phone and make a call like you said, that's it, there's no job like that. I remember in 2016 Morning Joe was having this conversation and Joe Scarborough was talking about how You know he understands, you know how these white men feel because that was a white man he said.

You know, I wish it was like 1973, when I got my job where I could pick up the phone and call my son. a job and I remember Joe Scarborough did it, he made this comment about how black men's wages went up, but while white men's waiters didn't and I said, well, Joe ER, would you like to go back and see what the salaries of blacks are? men were in the early 70's common sense tells you black people were so low economically of course the numbers could go up because of Jim Crow look that's what I love these people who want to act like they Jim Crow would never have existed, as if, um, it didn't exist.

The first wave of black people doesn't appear in the media until the late '60s and early '70s, the first wave of black people. I knew the first brother to work at a bank in Louisiana and he got hired the year I was born, damn, bro, but but. but then here we are, look, King was assassinated in '68, 54 years ago, so when you look at the growth, uh, what happened to black people, use 1970 as a marker, really because the Fair Housing Act of '68 is action affirmative when Nixon enters. you're just talking about 52 years that we've been technically free 52 years 52 years that we've been able to get government jobs get corporate jobs we're only in the second generation of African Americans in corporate America so we talk about where we're going economically, No, we're not talking about, you know, a hundred years.

I will be 54 in November, which means I was born not completely free, my nieces and nephews are the first generation of Martins to be technically born completely free. Look, we have to stop, you know, we have to look at this very differently and understand how this system has defeated us so much and how we have survived and fought against it and rebelled against it, so why are they angry? because now we're saying Angela's voice matters Envy's voice matters Charlamagne's voices matter now they like damn they're not on TV here they don't even start their own digital shows they starton digital networks because now we have a voice and we were bothering them, are we willing to use?

It's a question, you know, we talk about freedom and I wonder what we're doing with that freedom and you have the chapter um, the fight to educate black minds, absolutely what's the best way for us to educate our minds now because there's so much information. out there, but they don't want to say that it's the correct information, first of all, we have to go back to the fervor that existed, um after slavery, um, there is a book called Negro Education in the South from 1860 to 1935, a incredible book. uh and it talks about that period, it talks about how these white abolitionists came from the south uh and said oh, we're going to go down uh to help these freed slaves get educated, they got there and they had already started 500 schools, they said, oh, we went to wait for them everyone, these free slaves were there, he states in the book, he states in the book that 92 percent of the black children in Memphis were in school, only 41 percent of the white children in DC were in school.

So, that was a fervor, that's why there were generations of black people who had a second and third grade educational aspect, but they sent 12 and 14 kids to college and that fervor has to come back because what that does is it equips you absolutely. so youre that point to face now, when you do that, you don't have to match that was happening economically, what we have to do also is start with education, start teaching our children to not live by white validation, yeah, not being able to recover yours through white validation. uh, I had people come to me and say, uh, when I had the TV show, hey, man, we'll get you a show, bro, I'm on five days a week, no, no, no, no, I mean a real program, a real enough program. like CNN MSNBC I said you know when Brian Williams?

He comes to D.C., he sits in the same chair. I said brother, what do you mean? I said, oh, you didn't realize we contracted the studio with NBC News Channel. we use the same camera the same setting the same walls the same fiber optics the same control room I said but you don't think it's real that's white validation and so part of that education is affirming who we are who we are now the king said said we have to sign our own Emancipation Proclamation, said, uh, we can't let someone else affirm us, that's part of the educational piece and that means when we're creating our own, we can't.

I would say to anyone who worked with me when I was a TV guy if I hear you say well you know we're black, you're not going to work here because that one sentence behind it means we're not that good, we're second class and that's part of it. from the educational part like Well, now you have to marry the economic part when you start talking about how we fight for equity in all of these systems and that means how to

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it so that if you're a business, if you're a car company here it is my first question what is your share in the black market your share in the black market is 12 14 15 people go we have a boycott no no no no here is the whole thing because I had a meeting with a car company I said do you all understand?

I don't

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to take you from 15 to 5. If I take you from 15 to 14, a lot of you will lose your jobs because that means 15 to 14 is billions of dollars. I said it now. I want to have different conversations about blackness in the media. Look, it's understanding how we have to take advantage, so we didn't have to ask, okay? How many of us shop here? That's why people read Martin Depp's book about Operation Bread Basket, where he laid out the strategy, which of them was probably one of the most successful initiatives that the king left us. Reverend Jackson picked up but they actually got it from Reverend Leon Sullivan of Philadelphia, but that's it, that's it, that's it, economics, what we're doing is in many ways we're not fighting intelligently, which It also goes to the education part, why not support charter schools?

Because if I can control the school and control who gets hired and control spending and control contracts and control curriculum hell, I'm okay with that, so I'm not going to fight something that people like, well , white people, white races created charter schools. I thought, can you show me something in America that the white races didn't create? So again it's understanding how to do it. We now operate from a state of mind where we are willing to possess, we are willing to

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, and then we are willing to build. That is a state of mind. I've said for a long time that we

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a massive reprogramming in black America, a massive reprogramming. reprogramming to think and operate differently for the Next Generation when you saw Kanye make white lives matter.

I don't give a damn about Kanye when you spend when you expand energy on a phone and then end up arguing with some fool, I posted it, no. I tweet it, no, Kanye is completely irrelevant to me, he feeds on the drama and I will not feed that Beast. He can go to hell with Candace Owens. I don't really care in your uh in Whitefield in the concluding chapter, the new American world. For you to talk about how the same level of white resistance to black inclusion now has to operate in reverse, can you explain that?

Yes, and that is what we have to do, we have to understand that this fierce fight is not going to disappear and that is why we must be committed to fighting against white supremacy, white nationalism and we cannot get caught up in political ideology, it cannot be, well, you're on the right and you're on the left and you're my friend, no, me. okay no here's why it's a whole who controls the money in democrat politics white strategists who blocked black strategists black black posters in the media I went to a meeting it was a it was a money meeting of all the different buyers in DC, the old me, about 300 people, there were four black people, me and three others, and I'm sitting there, saying who controls the political space.

Nine billion dollars will be spent in this political cycle that they have created, they made themselves comfortable, they become millionaires and then they sit there and campaign for candidates and the black candidates have no control over their campaigns because the strategies direct them, so that I'm going to hit the white Democratic strategist the same way I'm going to hit the Republicans. I did this look. Obama's people were mad at me, I didn't give a damn, but when you saw the spending, even when he was president, only less than two percent of that money went to companies that had a black partner or African Americans, it's money if not you follow the money you are not having this American conversation so we need to steel ourselves for what is happening and understand that they are not trying to give up power easily they are not and that is why we have created a whole generation of children oh no no , we fought these battles for you, no, no, when Bernard Shaw had his soul arrested when we got to CNN and beat up Jeff Zucker because they didn't have EPS VPS svps EVP or direct reports on the nabj board of directors Bernard Shaw made a comment when received a Lifetime Achievement Award in Las Vegas in 2007 where he said, white men, you were a speck in the ocean of color and I called him and said well, Bernie, I just want to get your permission. to use your clip and this is what he said he said rolling he said every generation has its turn now it's your turn what he was saying is I'm old we fight now you have to pick up that thing it has to be our fight Spirit, we have to wake up and Thinking about this not in terms of whether I'm going to get paid, but in terms of the battle I'm trying to fight, that's why I say black people prepare for 2043, because 2043.

I'm in my 70s. I'm talking about a battle for nieces and nephews in your children's children. I don't want black Americans to have this conversation in 2043. I agree with you that you said in that chapter that white people need to do the heavy lifting, oh hell yes we need white people to take the lead in calling out racism and bigotry , but yeah, why on earth would they have to do it so easily? Because guess what it's not, it can't be reversed, I mean, it's that reversal. You need more white Jane Elliots, more white Tim, uh, wisely, you need more conscious white people because they are in spaces that we are not okay in, they are at the dinner tables, they are at sorority meetings, they are in the clubs. field. they're in business meetings when things are said when subjective things are said uh again, again I was going back to that ridiculous segment about Bill Maher where the white woman goes, come here, it's disgusting, stop, what the hell is it?

Discourage all blacks know what that phrase means, yeah she could have also said it's hard or you know, they just don't do it, it doesn't fit right, okay so they gotta sit down, they can't let it be say things like that. that goes unanswered, so it's no different if we are men and brothers make comments about women, you say Hey, oh brother, no, we're not going there, it's like people get mad at me because I refuse to let them. people use the n- Tell me a word on my social networks. First of all, I say no, how do you call yourself conscious, but you are using the language of the oppressor.

I'm confused. I'm trying not to do it, bro, no, but it's not that hard. So you know it's only hard when you're talking about real n-words, no it's not hard because sometimes you see some things, no it's not, no, no, no, no, because you could say that's the difference, Don't hit his heart. punk ass no no yes he does yes he does it it could just be that or or or when you see someone if I see you you know you're going to say what's up my aunt no my brother my brother claims that a lot more, but again that saying that is retraining the mind look I said the N word for a long time I haven't said it in over 30 years because I train myself to say no there are a lot of words we don't use now that people used to use that Absolutely, but again we know you can't say certain things now, everything you're saying.

I totally agree. I just don't know why our mind is conditioned to keep doing it calmly because the power of white supremacy and this is something we have. Confronting the power of white supremacy is so strong that it has always forced us to see ourselves as less and there is nothing worse than seeing yourself as less than using something that the oppressor used against you and then you say, oh, what We claim, no. You didn't do it because you can't get mad if someone white uses it, if you supposedly claimed it, how about you delete it, period?

It doesn't even enter my consciousness as the first thing to say with that video, the white guy. in Texas, who went to the door, rang the doorbell and said neighbor, hey, we're talking to him, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, he doesn't, it doesn't come out that easy if you're not using it, so I want us to take that same reprogramming that I had to do for myself and now let's apply it to everything else in terms of how we view our community. When I tell people to buy my book, I say look, it's available in all these bookstores. a million Barnes Noble or call the black bookstore look, that's a state of mind, well, you know what I want to get the book.

I am a. I'll order it through a black bookstore that's black economics that's practicing and so it's a state of being where we need to be to now start to understand like when I challenge people, oh, if I post something about Nick Cannon and Eddie Murphy on my Instagram, goodbye, thousand comments, what would you post? They only had 10 children, okay, but me, but me. I did it for a reason and I came back and said why do you look at all these comments, I said, but when I posted about our access to 322 billion I said, oh that's 18 comments, I said now let me ask you a question, which one has a bigger impact on black america accessing 322 billion or nick and eddie's kids doing well no no no no no no no ask the question what we spend our energy on is where our time and attention goes.

I'm saying we should take a step forward. I'm not saying we shouldn't have fun, we can't talk and joke about things, what I'm saying is that the amount of energy we spend on pure is also what's affecting our community in a negative way and then we wonder why we're broke. because if we ruin ourselves economically, we ruin ourselves spiritually, we ruin ourselves mentally and that is what I am trying to make us understand, reprogram ourselves for the future. I agree with you on what you said about the N-word because I never use it as a term of effort I use it in the way that young white supremacists and I see, I won't because I'm not a white supremacist and I'm not going to promote their agenda, that's how powerful I see the reason that I talked about even we talk about these progressives and conservatives that are white, the power of white supremacy is so strong that there are some, there are some, they are some good white people that we know that say things and They say oh I don't know how, yeah you do it because white supremacy impacts you too, it's a point of view, it's a state of consciousness and that's what we're dealing with,That's why we have to be willing to challenge them and say what you're going to do.

Look, stop, we've always had to save America, my wife, friends, everyone has to work a little, that's why I said you have to work a little, you have to challenge each other to do the right thing, can you tie that ? in affirmative action, which you also discuss on Wayfair. Well, first of all, I'm going to call affirmative action what is the biggest economic driver for white women, for white people, no group has benefited more from affirmative action than white women and that is also linked to White men are they realized that, mwbes, when you get your certification to get these contracts with this, no, no, you said mwbe, it should be wmbe, yeah, because if you look at any mwmwb show, the group that gets the most money is women.

I was at the The black caucus in Illinois had this thing, it was the Dan Ryan contract, they invited the black media and the black caucus, so we were sitting there and the guys talking about women got Fizz, the black guy was Latin. I said, I have a question if you're a black woman, which one? in one of those categories where he said, well, you're in black, I said, well, you, Latina, he said Latina, Hispanic, I said W should be WWE, that's because all the women who go to other categories are white women , so I talked to uh airport minority uh contractors concessions people in Dallas and I say white women laugh, I said when I said when the signing action in the attack where the hell is everyone so shut up how are you becoming more contrasting with any of us .

How are you calm? You see again that someone has to be willing to challenge them and there were white women who were like, "Oh my God, I didn't realize I was going to go," you guys didn't realize that they're becoming more and so on. That's what we're dealing with, the latest thing we have, we can't be afraid to say black, I'm at a meeting, it was a charter school meeting in the national Alliance table, they had the National Conference, 30 people in the room .it's probably about 20 billion dollars in a row, it's two black people on Latinos, so we're sitting there talking and a Latino says, you know?

I keep hearing you talk about black people. I believe in inclusion. What's up with Latinos and my initials called School Options? black election I say, hey, doctor, you, my school choice is Latin, uh, the election is rolling here for black people and I told the room, you can't do anything about the black caucus, you can't even meet with them. the black caucus I have nine Alphas in Congress. I can call a fraternity meeting and they were sitting there and they were like damn like I came with guns shooting at them Mayor Landry former US Center she raised her hand she's like um like former Union Center Mmm you're right no we can do this other black caucus that I was in.

I entered the room starting with the blacks. I'm not saying how we can help minority businesses. I say I'm here for the blacks now. Does that mean you can't? I have a mwb show, but I'm willing to defend ourselves first, so when we talk about a shift in black-owned media, we tell everyone not to send their diversity director. We're saying these are black-owned media. You created category four, black owned. media now if you want to create one for Latinos and for women and LGBT, that's your business, but we're going to advocate this way, oh, I'm going to correct myself if I'm wrong because I thought I saw you rejecting that, huh. on social media when they were asking why there isn't a black hate crime Bill like a specific bill for himself, because well, first, first of all, that's a lie, okay, you've actually had three, okay, the first one , uh, well, the first one was in the '60s we also had The James Bird, but because the point is when you talk about a law, oh, how the law was applied, for example, we celebrated Title IX this year, the 50th anniversary, where the first nine come from the provision of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which I fought for black people to vote, we know that the vote 96.5 Voting Rights Act was about the voting power of black people, but if you were Korean and the rest in your native language, how is that? 65 Voting Rights Act and so there's a difference between advocating for black-owned media with a business and then talking about a particular law, the reality is that the way the laws are applied applies to all the people, so I guess when they do the anti-aging or Asian hate bills, see, write that right there, what you just said there is no such thing as what the bill is called, it's called the hate crimes law. covid-19 Oh, I thought it was no, it's not specifically no, it's not the Americans no, it's not or when they tweet things no, it's not because they're live when President Biden tweets it doesn't say anti no, hold it up, let me see , I'm picking it up right now, pick it up, this is what happened.

Okay, because of the increase in anti-Asian attacks, that was the impetus for the bill in particular, so in the narrative at the beginning of the bill it doesn't talk about anything that happened now let me show you something is okay wait wait wait okay now get up I want you to bring something up no I mean you're right it's called covid -19 hit the Crimes Act but look when NBC News yeah when uh box all these people They published, yes they call it, the hate crime against Asians. Bill okay, first he condones anti-Asian hate and they were wrong because they didn't read the damn bill, okay? because in the narrative they explain why the bill was being drafted now look look for the hate crimes law in black churches what you will find out Congress passed a bill that specifically targeted attacks on the burning of black churches in the narrative explains why We are passing the bill because of the burning of black churches.

Does that bill apply only to the burning of black churches? No, it applies to all religious institutions, so if you're talking about mosques, well, you're talking about synagogues, no. It doesn't matter, look, and again this is where the media frames these things better than the media actually should, but They also learn to read and that's part of the deal, so they look for the bumper sticker version and then they look like Newsweek, they wrote that article. oh buy a cut down HBCU funded with 35 billion an absolute lie blacks reposted that and this is what bothers me all these blacks reposted the Newsweek article but when we were doing their real story in Roller Mountain, unfiltered blacks reposted it, so again, going back, we see something in the white media and wow, oh, it's got to be true versus hoping, see, that's what I do.

I saw the story. I cut 35 billion. Can you explain to me? I'm reading this story. They all cut 35. No. it didn't cut, it's okay, send me the data so I can understand it. So what did I do? I call Congressman Bobby Scott, why Carson Bobby Scott of Virginia, because he sits on the subcommittee when it comes to funding. I'm calling Congressman Jim Clyburn. all these blacks these blacks these so-called black media that published that damn story that didn't bother to call a black member of Congress to verify the story, they saw it in the white media, it was wrong, that happens all the time, so then , what's happening?

Black people were circulating that thing, look, look, buying people, they screwed us, they cut 35 and I thought it wasn't even true, you got mad because something the white media published was fundamentally flawed. NBC only white media Democrat The party also feeds into that because they will post things we passed the anti-Asian hate crimes bill so these are our elected officials that people trust and when I see your point they may not everyone read Depot in that tweet and what I'm saying is that's also why I tell black people who they're going to listen to, who they're going to watch, who they're going to read, that's why I challenge black media to really do the work and choose.

Pick up the phone and never rewrite something you saw in the New York Post or the Washington Post in the New York Times. It happens too often. That's when he looks. The people of Shade Room and Grill and Root and Black Enterprise have become angry. to me because I have criticized them for some stupid things. Sorry, I operate on the facts, let me ask this question, to that point, if they pass these bills, which they do, why don't they ever say this is a bill for black people, so what do you mean? ? I mean why don't they ever say it like they say they're quick to say this is an lgbtq crime go back and go back and look at the coverage when they passed when they passed the bill deal with black churches that was the case it was it was it was in the late 80s and early 90s I see it again when people say we've never had one it's not true to see again people love to throw it away and and and I don't think they're as quick to support blackness as they are. on everything else, but here's the deal, although it happened if you look at the cover of a secret civil rights bill and a voting rights bill, that's all you saw. but this was a different time though okay sorry it was a different time no no no no no no no no no no no if someone says we've never had what does that mean true it never is no what does it mean never happened so when you actually provide the fact, it happened, the answer can't be given long ago, it never happened, it's true, but for example, someone like the vice president is asked a simple question: does racism exist in America? she can't answer that, but if you ask her about any other community experiencing hate, quickly jump to that, here's my question.

Okay, now I went deeper than my son's hot dog. Because? Because he's afraid of turning off white voters. What did I say about? the last election, uh, okay, what would be the total voter turnout? Okay, more than 70 percent, it was 71 and 73, so it's politics, it's all politics, yes, it's identity, some people will say that and the average person said yes, that's a yes thing, and I would also say . today was a respectful person when you have your three largest locations in Louisiana and the largest turnout of 36 blacks there is a big problem here for blacks if you are maximizing your voter turnout if you are not voting at 45 or 50 of your capacity if you are voting at 75 80 85 then guess what your vote is now it actually has more power now the number really goes down and everything goes together.

I understand people who say I want to listen to Black. I want to hear you talk specifically about what I want to hear. something that is specific to black people, but again it's a perfect example of the Treasury Department, uh, uh, Freeman, celebration, she's the vice president, Harris is expounding, talking about 15 billion dollars being spent on community development , uh, banks, things along those lines, who, what, what, what, what, are the community development banks. the law mainly applies in black neighborhoods now people say but I want to hear details you do your details it's even there too oh but I just want to hear from black people you can't just listen to black people because you can so You're not mad about it. because they're playing the game no, here's the whole thing when you say LGBT, does it only refer to white people who are gay, who is that, is it like affirmative action?, no, no, no, no, no, no, no , most of those things benefit white people more.

Like everything in the United States, my God, right? I just took the time, no, no, because I'm like, well, what's the point, but we started it all, um, a majority benefits white people, why, because they're a majority, show me whatever it is. It's not going to greatly benefit white people when numerically they have the numbers and so why are they afraid of 2043 because they are losing the numbers? I still don't see how we will win, although we won when we first won, we won by voting wisely when we vote we put you see the phrase punch above your weight we can't vote the way they vote we have to be treading water Andrew Gillum is governor of Florida if Broward County goes from 57 total participation to 65. mm-hmm Miami-Dade goes from 54 to 65.

How will the red counties vote? 70 75 percent you can't win in the 50s blacks have to maximize the numbers this is simple 500,000 eligible blacks three hundred thousand of the five hundred thousand are registered one hundred and fifty thousand of the three hundred thousand who are registered and 150,000 of the 500,000 who are eligible actually vote, that means a hundred and fifty thousand blacks voted 350,000 blacks didn't vote their candidate loses by ten thousand votes but then we have the impression of equivalence in that you can equate it too, but hell, you have poll taxes, look, we have always had to jump over obstacles.

What I mean is that we have to say that all of you throw any obstacle, which has also been our history, we will jump. We have overcome that damn obstacle, but I am showing you real numbers. Cherry Beasley is running for Senatethe United States in North Carolina right now. Okay, she should be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. North Carolina lost about 400 votes. 400 votes. what I'm exposing is how do you maximize your power, you can't scream, we want this, if you're not maximizing your power, how come 67 percent of black people live in Ferguson, Missouri, and it wasn't until Michael's death of Brown, that they were able to get a black mayor with 67 percent, how that does not maximize their numbers, so what I say changes when we then recognize and walk in our power.

I think sometimes that's an insult to people who actually date. there and vote because it seems like every election we always go out and vote in record numbers no no no no no no see the police in presidential elections no no no but good record numbers record number means more votes this time than last time but that's all you can ask no, no, I don't look, I voted more. I look at what the percentage of eligibility is if four of us sitting here none of us voted last year. Envy votes next year, oh my God, record numbers, they were record numbers.

Three of us didn't vote. What if none of us voted last year? The four of us voted this year. It's a record high and it's a higher voter turnout. I'm saying that our vote can actually change the results. No, no, no, we understand. get credit because we have withstood everything that has been thrown at us and we are still standing, how do you get people to vote? That's absolutely my question because I feel like we talk about it all the time, go out and vote, make sure you're registered to vote, this is where you get the information and there's still not enough people because it's approaching without any information first, we have to guide People, we have to go back to the Freedom schools that took place in the post-Civil War period.

War that took place during Jim Crow because there are a lot of people who really have no idea. I use my show as Schoolhouse Rock 2.0 guiding people by talking about the anti-Asian bill. I literally showed the bill to everyone, this is the bill that's not the name, here's the whole thing when they were like, oh yeah, remember when you did that first, but same thing, yeah, all these fools, I got my information from Trump, they gave us 500 multi-million dollar contracts. You know, the entire federal government only spends 560 billion. How are you going to give us 500 billion for the 560 billion?

Look again, it's people who get fooled by the hype, so we have to be able to have our Outlets guide us, but the problems are when people come to me and say. I had a sister, it's 2016, she says I don't like Hillary, I can't stand wins, I'm just going to focus on my state, I said where are you from, she's in North Carolina, I said tell me your top three issues, she named the top three topics and her three topics were directly related to who was beaten in the White House, she said, "Oh, now you realize, she was an activist, this was an informed voter, so I had to guide her through that".

We have to spend more time walking people through ask them what do you care people stopped me on the street on the plane and said man you know I want to do something or this isn't working. I mean, okay, what's your main problem? Indigo, what do you mean? I said what's the most important thing that matters to you and then when they do it, I start guiding them. Okay, this has happened, this is happening, this is how we have to do it. We literally don't have enough voter education. If I inform you now, you like it.

Damn I don't know what's going on now I can go check you in and then when I check you in I still have to get you to the polls yeah I have a transportation plan okay so it's one step now this is probably the most important piece once. The elections are over, what do we do? many of us are going, are we okay? When the elections are over, then who will go to the school board meeting? Sort of a congressional committee meeting of the State Legislature, how are you advocating for what groups you join? So you say you want tangible things and if I don't get tangible things, I'm not going to vote, okay?

You don't actually get tangible things before the election, you get promises, then you have to hold them to the promise they made during the campaign. Well, how do you do that? You have to show up, you have to be willing to like black voters. locking themselves in the door of the White House to get their attention if they're not listening and then they can't say well, I don't know, you know we shouldn't be protesting against Biden Harris, no, if they're not doing well, then if you're not defending me , so I have to use everything I have to let you know that I'm not playing with LGBT people, uh, 2010, Obama was not moving forward, uh, don't ask, don't tell, they were very close. those checkbooks, it's true, they lost their midterm elections, which happened in December, they passed that damn bill, see again, leverage ourselves.

Leverage is not necessarily resources, but it is when it comes to voting, but we have to be willing and then people say, well, we'll see it roll, that's what I'm saying don't vote, no fool. I'm saying don't vote for the person who isn't interested in you now. Run someone against them in the primaries and then replace them. That's what I'm saying and get and then. If your person loses in a primary, then you have to do like the Republicans: They sit here and say, "I'm still going to vote for this person for power, but it's like I'm going to put that heat on your butt and you'll feel it." every day, that's why for years I've challenged my fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha and all the D9 and Prince Hall Masons and Eastern Star on the links: how do we have all this black organizational power and we're not sitting here walking around?

If 200 black women wearing pink and green suddenly show up at a school board meeting, this is going to happen, they'll be like, who the hell are these 200 black women and then next month they'll see black and gold? then purple and gold then red and white and suddenly they keep saying it now is what we'll have to do to stop them from showing up that's harnessing their power we have untapped power when it comes to voting and guess what when you show up there when it comes to I'm not at the school board meeting I'm not talking about this curriculum I'm talking about contracts I'm talking about the bond election I'm talking about black business now it's getting economical but We gotta harness the power, but we gotta educate the people on this topic.

This is the truth. This is the thing. I told you lies. I have a couple more questions. I know you have to go, but I agree with everything you just said, but don't you think the other part is that sometimes these candidates have to stop voluntarily telling lies, that is, they talk about things that I know they don't. they can do it, they don't tell the whole story as political, yes, but don't you see how that is discouraging? Remember the potential number of votes, remember that politics is about making promises, but what did President Franklin Dylan Roosevelt say to Philip Randolph when Randolph was around? pressing him, Philip said, everything you said is right now go, make him do it, make him do it, yes, yes, and what did he do right when he threatened that march on Washington, he signed an executive order, our history, when, when, when, when he said, look. said Martin, I don't remember that the original civil rights bill had all three bills in one bill he said well we're going to have to do it he said well I don't have the power so we have to go and give it some power you are using, that many of us are simply resting.

I don't know at this moment. Tennessee has stated that they have massively defunded the state of Tennessee to the tune of 500 million. I asked the question that I had, Reverend Jeff Carr. On my show I said who is mobilizing in Tennessee and what national civil rights leaders are mobilizing to say, we're going to go to Tennessee that day and we're going to mobilize to mobilize them and get them That state of Tennessee of 500 million is fine. It was a 13-year lawsuit to obtain the $577 million settlement for Maryland. Alvin Chandlers made the deal in Mississippi. You had another see again.

We talk about man to finance our hbcus. Okay, how are you going to make them do it? And that is what we also have to do, we have to move our people to action and unfortunately there are too many of them or not, but that is what I challenge our organizations. I just did it on cbcm. I called all the fraternities and sororities and challenged them and said. stop focusing so much on your internal affairs and focus on the business of black America. Dr. King said this here and where do we go from here? ksr community.

If he doesn't have that book, he should get it. It is one of the three main ones. books I have over a thousand in my house those are the first three, you would think he wrote that book last year he said there are four institutions that are prepared to liberate black America the black church the black press fraternities and sororities of black women and professionals Black people and business organizations, he said, all of them had never been fully committed to Black liberation, what he's talking about is taking organized power and leveraging it, so if you're talking about the New York Times bestseller list , imagine if all the D9 how many copies are needed. going to the New York Times bestseller is what twenty-five thousand not so much fifteen thousand depends on the week five dollars is worth five ten thousand so imagine if all the divine nine Prince Hall Mason's Easton star and the lynx said go for Whitefield this go by Whitefield or next week go for Angela's book next week for her book by picture book by Jamil Hills book now suddenly you don't even need to be running around doing tons of book tours we could literally fit multiple books that they are organizing their power, that's why when people came to me as a man, I don't know you, you really won't do well, throw a roller mark on the filter, I said, don't worry, so here we are four years after.

I launched Black Star Network Ott last year. Next month I will watch a 24 hour broadcast channel. I took to my social media to follow it, I put it together, I built a show, I built a network, now I have six other shows and I have three shows in development and now. I go to the 24 hour broadcast channel, what is that, that's organized, that's being organized, immobilized, you know what's interesting about it, like you build that network so much that when I see you on MSNBC or I see you on another show, I'll be as my role in wasting. this time and I know I'm going to give you something fun, so the first time on MSNBC, uh, during Covet from uh, because I have a studio in my house, so I got a green screen and everything, so I got my same Lo same, you know, I do my show, so the director comes to say: Hey, is there any way we can, we can make that fund smaller, no, no, that's it, first of all, they're not going to pay me, so they want me to speak early Saturday morning.

They won't play golf or sleep. You'll see that logo, it's new, but it's good because it's with Tiffany, so MSNBC seems to only call me on the weekends. I don't know what's up with that. Well, I know. I was banned from Shadow during weekdays and I told them too, so I have no problem and I know who did it too. I know exactly who did it. Damn, I don't know exactly. I have pronounced his name. you know what the hell you know exactly Jonathan Walt you know what he did to me It was supposed to be an Ari Melbourne show and I was 10 minutes away I'm on top of the show I'm talking about I'm in Austin, I'm on top of the show I argue about Doug Jones, I get a call, uh, uh, my hit was canceled, well, I sent an email and said, "Okay, what exactly did I get mad?", they'd say oh no, no, that's not it.

What happened like that is what happened then I found out it was him because he was mad because Jake Tapper and I came out the day before on Twitter and I said, dude, he's CNN, you used to work at CNN, why? traveling to MSNBC, uh, because during 2015, a year after the election, oh, all the shows call me Katie, they blow me up, Hallie Jackson, they were like, oh my God, Katie, they wanted me every Thursday. Stephanie rule, all the weekday shows called and all of a sudden, wow, everything shut down you know, so yeah, I said it and he knew exactly what he did and I told other executives there what the problem was, you had I have to fix it, so the only time I told Rashida, the only time she looks, I don't have to promise, look, the only time they call me now is the Tiffany show, the Ali show, Alex Witt, no There are daytime shows, none, no, there are no daytime shows, there are no primetime shows, none, even when I've had exclusives, so it is what it is. and we know Fox News won't call because you know they can't handle that much blackness.

This is my last question because we talk a lot about the white fair and we know that fear is at the root of every injustice, as Reverend Barber says, but don't do it. You don't believe and you been touching it a little bit, but don't you think that blacks are afraidto demand things from Democrats? Oh, I think, uh, here's why some black people, but remember when you demand it. It also requires responsibility. um, look, I can demand something from Angela and you and envy once, but I have to follow up now, after saying I need you to do this right, what happens if you don't do it now?

Many people want to do it. They scream how to scream but they don't want to continue when when the Republicans were blocking Loretta Lynch the black women were in the Capitol every week I was like I we are the brothers we are the brothers I hate all these black men but where do you see how they are fucking This black woman and the sisters come every week? Me, Jamal Bryant and Jeff Johnson like how the hell we organize 200 black men we like, literally, like they meet us in front of the fountain in front of the Capitol. and we are going to go to the Capitol 200 brothers showed up and rolled with us that is responsibility we not only said damn shame brother no, we said we will do it that is the deal because now that requires mobilization of the organization planning it requires work and then the people do well I shouldn't have to do all that I voted for their opposition don't just vote they mobilize they organize they raise money based on capital and that's how we did it and so again if we want to see a change in our cities in our states in this country they are going to require people to be responsible and do something.

My mom and dad were part of a Civic Club in Clinton Park in Houston, Texas, so people don't understand. I think this way because I saw two. people who never went to college get together with some neighbors and say we want to do this and this and this we want some new streets, they're new sidewalks and they knew some lights and tear down these crack houses and tear down these abandoned lots that people like organize man this is not going to work You are all going to fail that is also biblical go read Nehemiah chapter two three and four he saw the harvest the wall of Jerusalem had collapsed he said we need to rebuild the wall but go read the scriptures it says that the people said, let's rebuild our problem: we have black generals, we don't have enough black troops, we have people like Tamika to freedom and Linda, we have people here with different chapters of black lives that matter.

They have other organized people who are doing the work, they need people to support them and show up instead of well, they got it, no, that's how you rebuild, that's how you really fight, but that's the responsibility part, a lot people. I just want to sit back and want someone else to do all the damn work, that's what they want and I say it can't happen when I'm here fighting for black owned media. I said everyone can eat. no, Disney can't get the 322 billion, now they can't, I can't get all the black owned money, so if anyone asks me, they say, Roland, if you could get 500 million or you and not others could get 50 million each, which one?

Here, I said, oh, 10 of us get 15, they're like what I said. Here's why, because look now, if we all go out, I don't have to pay because we can all eat and if 10 of us get 50 million, that means. 10 families, 10 multiple generations now have it versus one person who has the wealth, that's the collector King talked about on April 3, 1968. He said black people individually are poor, but collectively we are one of the richest nations in the world. world if black people practice collective. job, said we can change, but it's the job part, that's why they're afraid because it's responsibility, well, white fear, pick it up right now.

Roland Martin, we appreciate you, that's called bringing the funk, that's what he called it , hey Doc, this is what I, this is what I do and watch, and to the people I hit, don't be mad because you were wrong, thanks foreigner.