World War One Q&A with Othais from C&Rsenal

Hey guys, thanks for tuning in to another video on Forgotten Weapons Comm. We're doing a Q&A today with Boethius. Saw that. Saw that. Tell me Tom, you're using a pseudo for small arms. Don't you know there are others? people out there with '70s mustaches and no, wait, you selected that hairstyle? It's like here, oh no, I have a cool t-shirt. made by amazing forgotten weapons viewers OH so individually yeah wait why amazing forgotten weapons viewers send you because he heard he was going to collaborate with you and said this would be the most fun and cool thing.

I'll send you one, I mean, him. I thanked you Alex, by the way, that's awesome, can you keep calm, can you keep this is terribly awkward, okay, we have a Q&A video, okay, I didn't want to spoil the surprise that we were doing a collaborative thing, so I asked my amazing patrons on Patreon questions about World War I because of course that's been their focal point for the last four years and next year we've managed to plan all of 2019 in terms of loans or parts that we think we can have operational by the end of the year, so I haven't danced like that column that blames you, you know, we know we work in the field and all those guys have a solution for that, but we're still trying to find a cosmetically correct one that we're really being picky. , but there are things like that that could be done, but they could be done a little bit better, so it's being rolled out in the future and then yeah, I know. that America had a gun of some kind, we'll talk about that later, it's not worth my time, that we went into the

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without a gun, we just borrowed little roofs, there are some fantastic revolvers that were talked about very early, so It occurs to me that there are probably at least a couple of you who don't know who this guy is, Matthias runs and runs CM A

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, which is a really cool gun channel that offers incredibly in-depth episodes on specific firearms and you're kind of tied. at the beginning see with the great war, yes, do like the great war, which you should also see if you haven't already, they already finished their thing, but all the videos are available, of course they were based in Germany and They didn't really have a way to make weapons, they weren't gun people, they didn't have access to them, their parent company was basically afraid of guns, so you connected like it was the guns side of cool.

It was something we pushed and they contacted us about licensing the images or at least getting permissions, and because I was writing articles at the time, but what they didn't know is that I was preparing for videos, although we were going to have more. with an emphasis on World War II, but then we just do whatever we would like, we're doing in-depth history in general, so when they say, well, we're doing this mobile one series, I want you to know that I'm quite familiar with four one. arms well enough to name the major powers and what they had and some obscure things like Serbian and Romanian weapons.

I didn't know anything about that, so I thought, yeah, I can't be that or it won't be. As difficult as World War II, how difficult could it be? Yeah, all the moments of some of the last imperial powers, so I stupidly said, "You know, I'll follow up with you guys. I'll start doing a World War I series specifically and then... a combination of OCD and determination is stuck because We made a kind of game to see how much of the guts of World War I we can really cover because when you get to the point where you start getting clues you sometimes find a surprisingly interesting story.

Well, I've absolutely never heard of that one that tells fantastically strange stories. and Matthias is not going to say this about himself, but I will say it when I do a video. I generally covered the surface level of the story and where the gun came from and where the hundred a

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was it goes much deeper and they also shoot each gun. that they have. I think there are some things that you might not be able to shoot well, but we're talking about some really esoteric, strange things, yeah, we have a plan for if we get to the end and we really want to talk about weapons that we haven't been able to borrow. , but we've tried really hard and been successful in a lot of ways to push some things that I didn't think were possible, so it's been a huge team effort, so at some point we'll have to get into the Q&A here, so I shortened this by saying that if you haven't seen what you see in an armory, you should absolutely go see an armory.

If you're a nerdy gun mechanics enthusiast, you'll find a lot of very interesting stories in the history of WWI firearms, so naturally there's a link in the description below for the CN Arsenal channel in Youtube. He also has a patreon. account and if you are looking for someone interesting to support, that is a good option, you should do it now too. I have a lot of questions here, yes, that's pretty complicated, yes, I hope we get to all of them, but we'll see. We're going to start with the ones that were actually requested by more than one person and a lot of these raps from a group of people, so I thought we'd touch on those first before talking about the actual collaboration we did here, which is much bigger than just a Q&A, okay, let's say this is the release first, Chris, but it's time for you to see this, if you're new, if it's just come out, there's been a lot of push for us to do a collaboration, yeah, This is not collaboration.

You want to make sure we're very clear, we didn't take the time to get together and leave you hanging, we're just down here, we did a Q&A and we went home, yeah, right, no, we put a lot of orcas, we're here today, we come on. 12 hours on the range is something like nine hours of work, so we will get interesting answers, yes, so our first question is why the Madsen light machine gun saw no production or further service during World War I, so which I will try by the way, keep it simple, there is no K, there are nuances to be found and generally that is our bread and butter, but the main reason is that the things they didn't want to sell, that's fine, I didn't want to sell them mainly, The interest was in the central part for the type of staying neutral and we are really just investigating this.

I don't have many references to back it up, but there are claims that there was even a shipment that was supposed to go to Bulgaria, which was still vaguely neutral at the time, that was later seized by Germany/Austro-Hungary and should have been released. to get even more Madison, so they already knew they liked the system and probably would have gladly bought quite a few, but they weren't going to get any because why would we sell? machine guns at people who are involved in a war, this is a very strange notion and I actually need to go into more depth before, but we will have episodes that will come up, but I'm not really going to go into that, but as far as I understand, that's where the people will say, well, obviously, I mean it's such a stupid decision that you can make an incredible amount of money selling weapons to one side or both sides.

Look at the United States, for example, they made a lot of money in World War I doing that. On the other hand, for a small country like Denmark, which is right in the middle of the fray, I think a very powerful argument can be made that no amount of money could be made for a private company by selling machine guns to someone. It would be worth it if his now neutral country was involved in war and very bad things. I mean, we've seen countries that were invaded because the other side could invade them, that's another potential problem, so next question and from a group of people who clearly haven't seen your video about the Pettersen device, how incredible would that have been?

Pettersen device in combat, as we all know, is there, it is a conversion of the Springfield 1903 to a forty-round caliber semi-automatic pistol. carbine and man, you could jump out of the trench and just pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop you know, 200 rounds per soldier and it's a shame the war ended before the Spring Offensive of 1919 could really bring that to bear. surplus, yeah, I mean, all we were going to do, who doesn't want in the middle of the battlefield a TCP 10-pounder 32 semi-automatic rifle that vaguely works fine, now wait a minute, aren't you making it sound a little better than 32 ATP, but we are worried that we can't even get 9 millimeters out this way, no, it's a novel concept, I admit I don't know if the bolt changing type will ever be super reliable or something type for an individual soldier who is not very cool and then we played with the gun itself, someone fixed it and it worked pretty well, but I've been into the geometries of that gun.

They're not good and I felt a lot better when our friend Andrew, who does a lot of archival work with us, came and said we had all these records from 1919, Thor, 1925, where they're retesting these things that have come back from no. they're being used and they're just junk like this the failure rate is astronomical the parts breaking is astronomical the way things are put together there's every chance of a jam there's every chance of breaking you're trying to shove it in a gun in this what you're building a gun that fits inside the chamber of another gun right that's what you're doing and imagine trying to get a gun that small that works that reliably it's not going to work very well with the exact phrase What was used when we were talking about it earlier was that they built a pistol-caliber carbine within the size profile of a Springfield bolt-action, yes, which, when you think about it that way, is a phenomenal mechanical achievement, as long as you don't works at all, it's still a pretty phenomenal achievement.

It doesn't even work at all, Patterson Zambo, if you say: Can I make the pieces move? Can I get them to stack and then reliably? The reliability is like here, like he really works in theory, so it should be applied now in In terms of whether it would be cool or not, I actually have a theory that if we had gotten to 1919, we might have seen this guy of us. the exceptionalism and small arms technology we talk about all the time, we may have seen that fade, we have a mutual friend, they're archivists, that guy who's even thinking about working on a ship and I'm pushing him to let him do this. because almost all American small arms for WWI actually had four of some kind, not singles either and by the way we see this with other nations so it's not unique to the US it's just that in We would actually ship the best and the best of the best, don't always believe that every secret weapon or that everyone will be perfect.

There is something to be said for having four years of real combat experience to hone your ability to produce what really works in the field. , even like in the 1917s, had huge, serious problems when they first arrived, oh yeah. Oh, the ammunition problems in Las Vegas adapt again. Not giving too much away about some things I've heard I'd like someone to post please, so what's your company? Would I like to hire you to dig up interesting things from the US archives? Yeah, I think we'll just put a link below because it's an archival research group that's appropriately generic.

I think we make a call to Google, yeah, okay, we'll have a link to that in the description below. He helped me with some American documents on French CSRs. If I could just get him on camera, you know? means it does a great job, okay, next question okay, now that you've got Boop Udall on the Patterson device, what about everyone's next faith in us? Amazing weapon from World War I, the trench shotgun, okay, so I specifically had several people ask me basically how awesome that is and then I had a specific question about whether the Germans actually threatened to execute anyone who got caught. with one of those things. so this is a lot this is a whole episode we haven't done and we started one so actually if you reach out there it's a trench shotgun let's turn the shotgun with the lydian.

I reach here, it is a reproduction of the mother of the handguards. a real shotgun that was never sawed down like most of them were from Remington and then I have the Winchester written on here although a friend Bob the hammerer cleaned the stock too much so this has to be fixed but this will be in another episode of ours , we have the 97 and the 10, these are the only two Trent shotguns, that's something people don't understand from the beginning, the 12 in the mall was bought in small quantities for training and probably for guard duties, but in terms Of the bayonet-mounted pistols, these are actually considered fired from bayonet mounts, not theThey consider trench weapons and I am reviewing a lot of documentation.

We keep mentioning this guy because he's so skilled, but anything we can overcome. He and you are asking us questions, which is why we are going through a lot of documentation right now to unravel what was once a very oral history and is now one that we are exploring through memos and, in many ways, internal Ordinance memos . they are pointing in a completely different direction than what has been recorded and then from time to time it stinks, but the short answer is that the Germans definitely went after these weapons in terms of trying to make them a political issue, but I understood that in Germany they had faced all kinds of political accusations, so they had to cut off the bayonets, which was one of the first, yes, and the idea was that to have avio on the bayonet, which was really meant for you to be able to give them to some engineers a use to give them a saw, it really was legit, yeah, it wasn't just the Germans, a lot of people, oh yeah, you know your cone, but then the ideas became a butcher's bayonet, right, and then we had gas poisonous, obviously, people don't like these things and the crown of Belgium, those people have those nerves, yes, let it be the camera, but then you see another way, they accused the British of where they were. the magazine cut was on the Lee-enfield short magazine it's a gap in the way they roll the steel that's right and the accusation was I actually found German pictures from the time showing how the British would obviously take their bullets and the they would place. there and break them to make fools and this was obviously tolerated by the government because they provided the means to make them so it's all nonsense you know what I mean in terms of executions I don't know which one has ever been recorded we've been looking to see if we can try one, there's probably just a lot of huffing and puffing to make it seem like they're not the only ones doing weird things on the battlefield and actually, it's not like many of these went into combat, no, we have We have to gather a lot of information before we can make claims, but it seems like the usage numbers are much, much, much, I mean, astronomically less than anyone has thought and I'm giving away a lot, but the general consistency of some things for these yeah no no the general consensus on these things is that they were junk and it came down to paper ammo and then they had brass ammo that was unreliable for different reasons but if you can imagine a paper cartridge without washing one trench that sounds great yeah even just the humidity of the battlefield what does it smell so you get your one round and that was it they were quite a bit lower due to just the ammo issues thanks sense ok next up ask, when?

And I also got this one from a lot of people and I was a little surprised. It wasn't a question I predicted people would ask when countries reissued black powder weapons: Did they make new black powder ammunition or make substitute smokeless loads? The answer is that it depends, we can definitely all do it right away because the Portuguese for magic thought that the smokeless dollar immediately went to the smokeless cartridge, there were light and smokeless loads for probably the Austrian weapons, as far as I know, and then I'm trying, I'm fighting because I remember it so clearly.

I just read that they had done a rework, but there are countries where you can definitely tell that they never got it done and just couldn't figure out what would work well. What stands out is that I definitely know they didn't make it for the Mauser 71 rifles, so only the right side locks, they were like we were stuck with the black powder, nope we're just using it for gun use anyway. emergency, so, in general, I think. More often than not, they didn't even produce that much ammunition and just pulled it from long-standing black powder reserves because remember this is a period where a lot of guns were updated in the 1870s era and then we were immediately obsolete. in a decade and they had stockpiled tons of ammunition because there's a European arms race and some Latin nonsense, so they had all this stuff, but there never was, I mean you can't really think of a lot of great greats of the decade 1870. big, I mean, there are some, but not on the scale of what you have, assuming all that ammunition, so there is a lot of reserve in black powder, especially for the rifles that were used on the front line, they are they used so that the guards on the railings had two. rounds to scare off anyone who might come and travel, you know, throw a bomb on a railroad track, you have guns like a 71, 84 guns like the Gras, we never really used them in a major war, right, that ammo never won .

I mean famous weapons, but you know, I don't really feel them, yeah, okay, now let's address questions from specific people. Antigonus says well, rifle grenades that most of the military used during the war should be used, but always with adapters, why not? It wasn't until decades later, after World War II, in fact, that integral rifle grenade launchers were incorporated into rifle designs. From my knowledge of military history, you don't really see rifle grades built in and I mean, there's always an exception, but it's usually when you have emphasis. about infantry versus mechanization, especially light armor and then even the attempts to carry it with heavy armor, so what war ii and everyone thinks about you, you know Davo Zuka, you know, everyone thinks about Pat retractor, whatever, yeah , this is a big tube over your shoulder or however you hold it. and it's the lone infantry against the big old tank, so you have this charge development in shape and all these other things and what I would especially like to think is that you would know this on the French side, they start saying oh wait a second, oh, we can integrate, you know, a grenade launcher, a very tight configuration shaped charge and we can have you know small infantry teams that are capable of at least damaging and injuring a lot, you know, lines of armor, this is a very economical method . way to deter armored attack, yes, and gives frontline infantry weapons immediately at their disposal.

You know, I have to wait for the guys with the cannon or the guys with the bazooka to get to where your tank is and, as I understand it, the integrated grenade launcher. it generally gives you more control because you have a much more standardized cartridge, like if you have a standardized cartridge or load, you have the settings there when you're dealing with World War I, you're really just harassing with grenades, I mean, no is that they were. It's not designed to kill, but it was this kind of general, let's keep hitting, this is softening this area and harassing this area, so this emphasis on similar precision, whatever it is, at the end of the war they were going into tactics of small combined arms units. where there would be a couple of guys with rifle grenades, but there were no anti-armor grenades and because this was developed during World War I, I think part of the problem was taking the hand grenade and adapting it to rifle throwing, which Really It's not going to give you the same as a grenade design for an integrated launcher.

Yeah, it's interesting because the World War I rifle grenade is how can we throw a grenade much further? That's really the concept. I want to throw a grenade, allows the The post-WWII rifle grenade again is that I don't really like carrying a bazooka, well, yes, there is a different background to why they were using them, yes, and that's why the grenades They take a different form because of their different intended function, Stephen or Stefan, Howard says. The territorial army receives weapons if they were part of standard supply chains or had to supply their own weapons. Does this leave room for variations or specialized equipment for these forces thinking mainly of British colonial forces, but French or others are also applicable?

This is going to be, it varies, it depends on whether you have something similar in Germany. They had a hard time supplying their Imperial troops, so when we think of Light Olive or Back, we think of him capturing everything in sight as a matter of course. in fact, he plundered the Portuguese for weapons and then, interestingly, British supplies trying to get them to the front. Actually you see, you know you knew the south, yourself, but South Africa is putting out Leggero rifles buying them from Portugal because they're there and it was available in theaters because it's that or ship it and waste all that movement of material that we need to put somewhere else, so a lot of colonial stuff from WWI is ad hoc, it's what we have on hand and what we can do.

Which has to do with some of the ways that you know you go out to the east and things like that, you have the opportunity to have gunpowder factories, at least not necessarily in Africa, and that can do a lot to sustain especially older types of ammunition because there are many. It's easier to make older stuff than this kind of smokeless, volatile, fussy stuff, so it's a mixed bag, it depends. The British in India had a lot of support natively and simply stuck to the older patterns and updated them when they could. That is much more developed. although calling, I think Africa is really what we're thinking about in this, that's the job, grab everything we can grab, the Germans mostly started with mostly Mauser 70s, the Belgians in that region were sending rifles from a single raw shot. that were delivered by the French, they're sending them because that's still what they had, which I think we're still like Albini Breitling and the French are a little bit unique in this question because they were pretty much the only nation. having colonial armies fighting on the Western Front and what they normally did was one of the two things the guys that were fighting were getting first class standard rifles from front line French African or Southeast Asian colonial units that were brought to the Western Front. using birthday or Lavelle's, many of those units were also used as work battalions and they really weren't, they were literally not armed, they were there to build and maintain roads, things that people underestimate, it's not like it was part of This, we don't trust these people with actual frontline combat duties, but part of this is also that this has to be done and someone will do it, so given our inclinations across race, we'll have these people do it. do, you know, beyond race. you don't know the main language, yeah, do you want to command troops that know you're not sure about the background, you're not sure what they understand, they understand you, the context that when you say, I want this, it says something, however, dig that ditch? you can sit there and watch them dig the ditch right or wrong and it's much less consequential and I should also point out that the colonial troops in some cases were absolutely ferocious and exceptional troops, oh yes, and the ones that tended to suffer the greatest casualties because they were thrown into the front in all the places where they needed shock troops, so let's see that the next one is from William.

I suspect this is one that gets a lot. I always see the same pictures of sawed off guns used by tunnel diggers where rifles cut into guns are actually a thing that was a common thing or I just got a weird one time deal so this shows up in a couple of movies it's from where it starts to emerge and the terms in which people understand it, but here they understand two separate concepts, one is oppressing, which is kind of on the battlefield won the game and people really identify as if the people will love price guns, that's much more partisan, yes, the Soviets like that they are not allowed to have a gun, well, I'm a softie, the first thing I do together, but The only reason why not pressure can be had is because the Russian imperial government and therefore the armies fall apart and the rifles end up scattered everywhere and are not collected properly, so now you have rifles lying around and then in World War II .

At that time there were people who cut them to darken them and used them because they were sitting and I think it's worth pointing out, and if you could bring back and interview every person who ever made one of those in question. and he said, "I'll trade you" that for any gun, each of them would immediately accept any gun you offered them. That's why they did it. There is nothing inherently good about a cutaway bolt action rifle being so long. It's a homemade Liberator. what exactly is, yes, discounting the downtrodden, we have shortened rifles, which actually came out before I knew again, back to number two.

I know two indications of these weapons and that's all I know. I know tons of complaints. I found that there are no photos, okay, basically I didn't find any paperwork, but one is the keratin books, who does a lot of Liat's field work. He has noted an account of an armored fieldman who was asked to take an already damaged Lee-enfield rifle andconvert it for your use. in the tunnels so this is actually a good point of evidence and we're really hoping to make a video about this kind of thing and he knew he noticed that we cut the barrel to this length, put it back on the front sight and then they removed the rear sight and they notched the bridge of the clip so that they had a V-notch rear sight, so it had a stock, it had a front sight and a rear sight that were not Oprah's eyes, they were shortened and we know that this No.

I say I need six more, you just mentioned that you would make one and then at the Springfield Armory National Historic Site they have a US 1917 that was found in German possession and that had been shortened to about an inch under the direction of women. From time to time, our friend Jay has made a reproduction of that a little over the legal limit, but with the sites in the same project that I have made. I managed to shoot one of those, the problem is that there is no provenance other than what we found in 1919 in a German arsenal, so the Germans captured it and then one of their tunnel lawyers decided to turn it into something that just doesn't work. a whim because it was captured on whatever equipment was so crazy to them and maybe the cannon was defective or it was made with US dollars and then I'm right it could be anything but we do it in the period it probably happened on the battlefield and So we know. of at least one named example, so yes, they existed, but many things exist.

I mean, I know at least one photo of a Belgian, you know, a highway guard with a double-barreled shotgun, double-nosed shotguns were issued and it's probably one of four in all the Belgians that anyone bothered to catch up with. shoulder versus being able to hold a rifle, you know? It's like there's that photo of the Marine in, I think, Fallujah climbing a ladder with a ppsh-41 and a hundred years from now someone will find that photo again and say "Oh my God, yes, all because it will be there". arms so they were emitting captured things and their m16s were jamming so they were emitting captured things and who knows what other theories will emerge.

The winning reality is a guy who said, "Hey, this is cool, I'll try this, you really want like two or three confirmed data points for these things and people don't like that they like to hear half a rumor of a story." oral and then they would like to run away with it because it sounds cool, don't you mean it sounds cool then what's yours Don't say we're going to fall short, the rifle sounds cool, yeah, short rifles in the sense that I don't want to know the prints, but we're going to talk about it because we had a documented case and we have someone actually donated to us a very, very poor condition Lee Anne Tolley left, so we're going to try to replicate what we think it would have been and then we have the replication. from Jay, so yes, Gregory says if the war had lasted longer especially in 1919 with all the new weaponry, what were the plans like the pettersen device, the VAR, the Browning 1919, the RFC 1918 carbine, the MP 18, the Villarosa and several others that I have undoubtedly missed.

If anything, the strategy for the battle would have changed if At all, do you think there would have been more progress in the trenches? I'm going to take the easy way out on this is to say that the strategy wouldn't change because by then we're in combined arms and that's why these things develop, that's why. that they are finally showing up is because they have finally gotten into their heads enough to need a different type of weapons system because there really isn't as much innovation or more of one as you might think in terms of small arms except for the emergence of Simpler Manufacturing, especially some machine guns, and then I mean, it's really yeah, we're still using a lot of very heavily ground weapons, you know, you're not even seeing it for mental guts, but you're even seeing people say, you know this I did have a gun. a cylindrical sight because with very little effort we can put in a rear aperture, there's not even much of that happening, it's just mass production and then the only reason to start producing something different was because you were hoping to help exploit your new combined artistic strategy and just press and move, and I know a lot of people I probably tell right now a lot of people say these small arms really matter, yeah, in the sense that all the artillery, the gas, all the planning, the recon . the planes, the use of tanks, all these other things, remember it's all there to support the movement of the infantry, they are the only ones who can really take, hold and move the battlefield, so you can say that An incremental change in your molars really means something.

In terms of some personal lives, it means a lot because a slightly more usable weapon means there's a slightly higher chance of that person being successful in life, but also yes, ultimately you're your infantry, that's what does May the battlefield be ready, yes. I would add that apart from the effectiveness at a tactical level, there were elements of trench warfare that we are changing very substantially and you have things like the German transformation, let's do this as three lines of trenches and they can't hit. through it and we have a ton of wire and men on the front and if they break through the first line then we have more machine guns on the second line and in the later stages of the war they realized that that was a foolish way of trying to defend and so they developed this more flexible approach where we let the attacking force in, let them get past the first lines and then basically surround them, cut them into pockets and destroy them with machine guns in this dead zone. and that changes in those general strategies can have much more effect than the individual small arms that are used, so if you had a group of Americans with our BA and 1919 running attacking a large set of Hindenburg fortifications, but if you didn't They are, they don't understand what they are attacking, small arms better not help them, they are still going to be victims of the intent of that enveloping defense, so it could have had small changes, but I don't necessarily know most of the wonderful weapons of the First World War, as we said with the Patterson device, we are not going to go that far.

I think probably the only weapon I'm talking about didn't make its mark, but really what a change. Yes, since the VAR came out, yes, it would be a little better in some aspects and a little worse in others in the program, yes, it is not, but the German MP 18 on that side is a weapon that was not manufactured and does not had. It's time to make the impact that it should and having gone through one, we've actually been rebuilding one and we're going to make such a great episode that we have one that's probably been the show actually and we're trying to do it.

A little bit of research because not many people are trying them, there's no doubt that it's a system, there's nothing, but when we really got into it, we found that there's actually not that much processing, you think it was actually very advanced in rap manufacturing terms. so that part is really more important than the infantry uses, could they produce a ton and is there more manufacturing of the magazine for that weapon than the rest of them? It is known if they can agree to classify them, uh, stop, man, that is. where the game changes are is just in terms of just adding volume of fire and yeah you see after the war the things that really develop after the war are tanks, planes, light machine guns and submachine guns.

Our next question is from Daniel, where are any of the self-loading firearms available in 1914 or 1915 suitable for military purposes in the trenches, assuming all the logistics become something like, could the weapons themselves have worked ? presumably follow up question like so why didn't he use them so we have some things like mm eaten and he does it yeah that specifically says military cartridge because that's the hang dance so it doesn't specify the things that They worked, it wasn't a military cartridge, it's strange, but making the leap to say thirty sixes or eights. The millimeter tag seemed to be a big leap in terms of making a functional and reliable weapon and in many cases when they got there they realized they didn't even want to be there so World War II again we talk about war with the famous for these big full power semi-automatic rifles and immediately after that, what if we just used an intermediate cartridge?

By the way, this step is almost back because when you talk about room 1088 or Remington eight or we talk about the Winchester. together seven in 351 we talked about that in 1910, yes, those are rough intermediate cartridges, yes, and they work very well at that level because you get the rapid fire, it's rapid follow-up, those weapons were thrown into the air once and then they did . I didn't put them there, I mean, there are hints that the thing might have put it on the ground, but it really did, Mussa, even if they did it, they didn't write it down, it showed a lot of impact, so it's more likely that they just put them there. kept in it. air, so do you think they could have been effective?

I think I think it was a reliable enough standard, the serviceability is too low in those large Gunther's weapons and individually what I want one, well yes, but I know how to take care of it compared to the average soldier, so if you could have simplified it and been prepared in advance, okay? maybe, but you know, if you're familiar like Garon's, we had them before we worked with you and there are still only two or three that we had to put together or take out of inventory because we were just trying to scale what we were already doing first semi-auto. rifle twenty years after the First World War and to that point it is worth noting that the reason is mainly that the French use these things and I think that is largely correct, if I am wrong it is largely because they have so many of them out there because Man, France, this gigantic catalog based on Sears Roebuck and Company had Winchester autoloaders and I don't know if they made that many Remingtons, but they had Winchester autoloaders that they were able to immediately get the biggest importance that they had. contact, so they didn't have people on the ground in the US who were buying agents who probably came from these organizations that existed before and then these guys would start saying, do you want this?

Do you want that? but you know it's interesting, we're about to do it. You know, this year we talked about, quote-unquote, the male Remington that we have on the back wall somewhere, but it doesn't really belong there because what's really gone out is what you see above your head, which is the FN 1900 Stroke and they bought about a hundred. So a lot of these things get over the top, yes, but they bought thousands. Do you have a Winchester 1907 with a French magazine right there? This is probably the best he could do. Yes, simple and resistant. In reality, I could probably survive in a war zone, except.

For the rear here it gets a little complicated, but it could be simplified I'm sure, but who's time to change horses mid-ride? That's the other problem, trying to speed up manufacturing for an unknown quantity versus an unknown, with a new, completely new cartridge. you don't have your stockpile of ammunition that you've been building up for who knows how many decades, yes, but I think especially with the Winchester 1907 after handling that thing that could have been very effective, especially at the beginning of the war when people were really I'm not sure where you stand without the tactical advantage, the infantry advantage would have been really strong, no I'd choose one of those over any of the main bolt action fighters right?

Ryan says in the 1917 American Mausers in Springfield in the fields and most of the Guns are everywhere at gun shows and available on the Internet, but the 1895 nickname seemed to be relatively rare. Austria was a major power with millions of troops in the field, like everyone else. Is there a reason why so much less of your surplus entered the market? USA after the war, um, from my point of view, there are a lot of Israel, look, they are all 95 30, so they became 56, that's a traditional idea, it's nice, there's like shit, probably It was pure. 95 right there in 1907, yeah, but it looks like it's just an S shape, let's see, no, no, that's a 1g Tom, yeah, so this is an original carbine, but they like the pattern, but on the long rifle, which is very difficult to handle, yes, so they cut.

It all comes down to this in both Austria and Hungary and Bulgaria, so all three will maybe switch to the bigger, more powerful cartridge and that's actually an interesting combination. Let's increase the power of the Spitzer bullet and reduce it to make the gun small. Oh, the boys think. They run away like mules oh, it's a lot it's because they don't, actually it doesn't, I don't know why,but it peaks on the back of these things, so they hurt more than they should, but I think part of the reason is that many of these weapons were used immediately after the war in all the countries that emerged of the remains of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

Yes, nothing like the Balkans to completely put an end to an entire production of weapons like the ones that have just been used. unifications of very civil wars, I mean Yugoslavia and then it's no bigger than Yugoslavia, that is, everywhere, it's not like many other countries where, after the war, everyone went to nice, clean arsenals and eventually got surpluses , no, these things were used. but still a lot of converted goats turned up, yes and then, but the second part I think is that they use a cartridge that has never gained popularity here, there were not many American troops in these regions or in any war. comparative, but it is being able to take them home as trophies, which is why we have so many arasaka from over a million sokka of the era newly documented as souvenirs that returned to the US after World War II, yes, it's interesting, most Austrians like this.

I probably mean that a lot of the Austrians are still in their original 8 by 50 camera because they were delivered as paid programs, especially to Italy right after World War I, and they said, well, here's a lot of guns in place of money and Then those countries did not make the update programs and especially with Italy, so many of those that are actually seen in the original cartridge are because we fell out with Italy and therefore with Great Britain and the US took a bunch of them from Italy which had taken a bunch from Austria-Hungary yes that makes sense yes next I think you need to do more Q&A with a weapons reference wall because this is useful, Dale says if the untuk was to standardize a nation's weapons for better logistics, which would have made more sense for France and the US.

Italy, England, the UK, in terms of being okay, there are a couple of ways to think about this, but the first thing that strikes me is that it would have to be a design that was currently being produced in the US because it makes sense that they would just believe that we are all making energy in a place that was not being bombed or threatened , so it would be considered something that was in production in the US among the guns that were available in the US. I think in terms of bolt action I would probably favor p40 1917.

Well, to me it's an obvious choice for 30.6 and 1917. Is there any reason to use a 303 rim cartridge if you are going to standardize no, it is only if we are talking about Stan in a current member countries cartridge because I discard any edge of the cartridge right away technically it is in Tom's technique, you know, members like Belgium in 765 Mauser, probably could have favored that over 30.6 in this kind of conflict, a 1917 Enfield in seven six five, but you could also get something of that length because you don't have to deal with the entire rebuild, a guess by Gus and it would be in 1917 Enfield. shortened to a short rifle or a carbine in six five cars Tom you know you laugh no I want one of those now no of course you would use Spitzer or bottle this because the Italians were still in the field follow even the nose bottle, I think it would be better. that I prefer to have a six five bottlenose Carcano than the 3006 yes, they are nice things, it is a powerful cartridge, but it is not always necessary to keep in mind that what I mentioned three has six is ​​the ability to defeat the lidar memory in a trench situation, but that's just a range in actual combat, like getting into the trenches and moving around, imagine the Lewis gun and the Carcano sixty-five again.

I need their special roles, there are special rules for machine guns where they really want to hit or two, we see. they increase to hit harder, so okay, maybe not, how about a var in six five points if something like that, but regardless, I'm saying something in the Mauser family with the rear aperture sight will be very powerful If we just say opening? cartridge without sight mount, yes that leads to that, the only answer then is the 1979 field, yes by the way, beautiful system once it was too low for production control, yes I would go that route as well which, this was suggested, is not something in particular, but there are points out that there were suggestions of going to the US, we went over three or three and then that way having a common cartridge, it is an early NATO idea, so which again that was immediately dismissed and I can't even find the reason why I was really wondering why they didn't have memories, oh yeah of course we won't do that, no we're Americans why do you think we throw them away 150 years before this?

Dylan says I heard it with Russian subtitles m95 in Russian, I heard it that Russian captured m95 s or often fed it with Russian seven sixty by 54 rimmed rifles and I have heard of ngons chambered in Austrian eight by fifty. I find this fascinating. What other captures converted WWI rifles and calibers? There are a number um I think we have an 1889 Belgian Mauser that was converted to an eight millimeter Mauser seven six five extremely easy conversion, that's why it was done yeah, the more difficult the Persian was, the less often it was done. I mean, I've seen Moses that were You know we could push it to this cartridge or we can push it to good.

Bannerman had the 3006s, that's not really before, yeah, these are once again and then the eight millimeter polishes are more time, you know, but the converted attempt to do it. meaning it's long and that's why it's easier to just use captured ammo or make ammo and small batches because converting rather than just taking out some of the ammo or applying it somewhere or holding it somehow and then using it on the back. where it is not consumed it is much easier and all you do is free a weapon that was in the really facilitates your ammunition, you put it on the front line, but you know that there are many conversions during the war and if you want to go back you want to see a strange conversion it's not even a catch his internal conversion the martini or also that's very strange this you know he's still working at the right time this is the first in everything yes, oh yes, this is actually for 1912 from before the war because the Ottomans were having problems with the Balkan wars, but this is a martini like Peabody that was on, you know, a lot of millimeter black powder, this was converted to 765 in the US because, technically Argentinian, They are Belgian Malinois darters. about melting yeah so this is a frameless cartridge martini with smokeless powder and it has a spring loaded ejection I mean it's very complicated to make this happen so I mean anything can happen we certainly have guns of human conversion of the Ottoman from 1887. which are believed to have been converted by Bulgaria on April 15 room we do not know it is only believed that Bulgaria did it we are not sure where they came from we only know that they exist they seem to exist on the market and it seems that maybe came out of World War I, we're not sure there were any converted machine guns too, especially some of the Maxim ones, because they're so easy, yeah, oh, you swapped a lot of stuff, you know, you can basically include standard commercial parts, but and make in a different caliber without having to go through any kind of reengineering, no one, it won't even be a conversion in this case, because the maxim was designed to be sold that way, so that you could configure it for whatever country you were selling it to, I want say, it's a conversion, but you know we've heard of them, that's why they did it because it was easy and reliable.

We've heard about Russia, you know, converting the Lewis guns to 760 oh and things like that. The problem is that you have to go over each of these statements that come to mind, others are like Belgian Nines II and things like that, when there is a correct pattern, it can be quite difficult to fix it because the numbers we are talking about They're usually below 2500 or something, these are a small number at a time, so it's awesome, yeah, yeah, see you next. Southern Tech says that since we had pretty much developed all the different types of action and pistols around 1900, was there any attempt to develop an intermediate cartridge or autoloader in something other than 30 to six or eight labeled, it seems around 1890 and 1940 the

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forgot that they could make a cartridge any size they wanted.

I think we covered this a bit. Yes, there were some commercially available, but most of you know that you should have this historic 351 converted into an eight millimeter for the French. Yes, for the rib, a rotary that was a complete concept and was converted into a Spitzer bullet experimentally for the Americans with I. I think a big part of this was the interchangeability of ammunition between rifles and machine guns and they didn't like that It was not worth deprecating machine guns to have a lighter and more manageable infantry rifle, it was definitely not worth having. two different cartridges to deal with, not until you have fully automatic sidearms, so soaking in all night is never a pistol cartridge, but we need to look at what you call it all available before people really start to worry for having the cartridge for your rifle. it's not the same as the light machine gun or the machine gun and then they would carry it with them, yes, next, Andrew says, given the features, would you consider it?

Well, this is actually basically a follow-up question. Would you consider the Winchester 1907/1910 to be one of the first true assault rifles and how successful was it in military service, so here is what it is said to be an assault rifle because the intermediate style automatic light cartridge is where we got stuck on that because I know from our friends in Cody that they produced at least some test models in fully automatic mode and I have seen claims by certain authors that the French and the Russians bought them with select fire and I have been trying to track down that statement that sounds like they really do it. trying for two years to track down the claim, there are some internal memos that say the word automatic, but that could just mean semi-automatic, there is something decoded from what Evers came out to say rapid fire automatic, as if that means I'm a type different, yes.

Yeah, so I don't know, I've yet to see if they made any direct amount because thousands of those were made for the French, you know, I mean, and we see the magazines and other posters of them, do you think if there was a bunch with select ? -Fire, there would be a photo somewhere of one with a selector switch that wasn't a prototype in the Winchester reference collection, you know, right now, as for them, I'll go on the record and say that things haven't been raided for a while. combination of reasons, one it's not selective fire and two, the way they were used first, they weren't used on the ground, they were used on airplanes, it's what I already mentioned, but even if those types of airplanes had been using them on the ground . you don't have the whole assault rifle concept, as referenced here, it's about volume of fire and you can't have that with two 10 round magazines, you're trying to make it fit in the sense that the gun fits the El pattern was already complete, but yeah, it's all rifle, it's also doctrines and really, and the Winchester doesn't fit.

Look, next we have Jerry. I'll make the point, it could easily be converted to that, as well as, yes, some very short jumps. They didn't make those jumps, I think that's true, the Burton actually would have been one of them, yes, oh yes, there is the stacked magazine, there is an emphasis on volume of fire, on portability of ammunition and on movement shooting, that is the one who speaks and they want to say. Well, you know, that's enough to settle. The next question is from Jerry. He says: Why didn't the rest of the warning powers adapt the 10th round magazine like the British did with their smle?

Didn't this give them the advantage of not having to carry their rifles? half as often as most others. The point is that they still had five rounds. Rimmer flips because it's about five or six rounds, that's where you run out of room to put a 10 round stripper clip in your pocket or bag, no one wants that and they're not that reliable to test feet so leave some room for this minimal sliver, possibly faster to load the magazine, except now you have to deal with 10 rounds stacking the magazine and more spring pressure, so maybe not even that, in general, when you try it, there are countries that Yes they had a bigger or smaller magazine, the Swiss had this with their Kaveri 1889, they liked the K 11 and things like that, okay, let's leave the G 11 and then the Kail 11, things like that, they just discovered that in general, when we have 30 men firing continuously if we give it 100 rounds and divide it by 5 or 10, it doesn't seem to make any difference in terms of the total volume of fire and here's the other thing: if you say you want to time someone who fires 100 rounds, you're going to get basically thesame time whether they have a 10 round magazine or a 5 round magazine because you will spend the same amount of the difference will be your time loading 90 rounds versus loading 95 rounds in the magazine and it doesn't actually go any faster. doing 10 at a time instead of doing 5, shooting 5 and then doing another 5, so you'll see this only when you're limiting it to 10 rounds or 20 rounds, maybe beyond that you won't get any benefit. that and then especially what you just said when you add in the fact that you have a bunch of other guys there or covering everyone reloading and there's a downside: an extended magazine like that sticking out is prone to damage, I mean .

We've all seen the old Liam Fields, you have to be careful to check that magazine will feed when you buy one like today, the wear and tear is obvious, they can take knocks and eggs. Lee-enfield is actually one of the most successful. It doesn't completely destroy extended magazines, but generally when you have amazing sticks out of the rifle, it has to be very heavy reinforced steel, yeah, in those days, just, by the way, in terms of that ability to stick, you've lost your ability. from being face down. If you go too far, yes, you won't get it with ten bullets, but you definitely have the potential to hurt that guy, but the last time you saw Mauser with a damaged magazine you wouldn't feel good.

I don't know yeah Daniel yeah follow up question basically Daniel says I sometimes hear the smle referred to as a detachable box magazine rifle however I rarely see one anyone loads it this way , how were ammunition with the smle issued and used in the First World War? I know we're back to magazines. I thought about another point from the previous question. Let me clarify them real quick. The other example is the way people talk about trench bags. Addendum 2020. Nobody goes, nobody fights with them every time you see a photo of one. one of those is never a soldier holding it they are always bolted to one of those periscope guns wait a century I have seen photos of centuries that is true but they are not guys who cross the line no, it is not the people because it is a problem It's that you have a dive and once you dive, where will it go?

There's nowhere to sink that thing, so you'll see the periscope move, we'll see it behind the line, yeah, but there's something to be said for the new durability. of a five round magazine that's nice and tight on the rifles yeah and then I'm sorry I just want to cover that one and then we get to the time of the specific smells are they changing the rear that they issued like sleeve bandoliers in the train? Well, it was actually designed to have two magazines, so what's the number two meters and the idea was that you would have football.

You were supposed to have an amazing cut. The original Longley is what we're talking about here, so you'd only have InDesign. You would fire the gun in one shot until something bad happened and then you would open the magazine or open the magazine cutout and then quickly fire to clear with a Breda advance or whatever and then you could release. the magazine and it was hanging on a chain, it would just hang from the gun, you take out the only spare magazine and plug it in. The magazine cuts out again and we go back to the single shot and that way we can deal with up to two emergencies and then after. that we have problems because there is nothing else nice loading back then, so that was in the design, it was never actually released that way, they just ended up keeping them detachable for cleaning and maintenance reasons and because that's how the gun was already building, it's interesting, it's an interesting note when the US Navy bought Remington it was a Remington blade.

I think they actually issued them with four magazine belts and somehow they did that, but that was the US Navy and they were at 4570 and I think there were four or five round magazines, maybe he always is. they tend to start paying in advance, yes, William says, if I remember that the British bought a lot of sokka from the time of Japan during the First World War or once filled them, why did the British do with the arasaka mainly for naval use? They produced ammunition, basically filled rolls. outside of the front line drill they will use things like that, a lot of surveillance in the port because you don't want saboteurs there and things like that, you see what you see, oh sorry, this is exactly what we talked about a few minutes ago with the conversions.

Oh, some ammo, buy some rifles, give them to someone who's not really going to use them but has to be armed and then all the Navy liana camps can go to the front, yeah, and by the way, it would have been very easy to convert them. 303 about those guys who think late isn't perfect, but they could handle the stress. There's room in the receiver, you would have had to modify the bolt, although why bother? We used to make some ammo. I don't think I've seen haha, merge as it was. as the second most common rifle and very close to the same issue numbers for a while before production increased again Russia yes, Russia had tons of type 38 cardies and type 30 rifles from Japan, there were four wars Russian- Japanese, but I also bought them and took the mantle made because they were surplus because Japan was doing very well, they have tons of rifles, so the 6.5 would have been very common in Russia, which is why we see it involved in the development of a certain automatic rifle, right? someday I will get a chance to shoot that and the next question is from Jeff who says what were some of the popular field modifications that troops applied to their firearms court martial yes people think this is a thing, By the way, a lot of this. it's double, the old version of this, the fun version of this, it's my dad's gun and he carved his name on it in public, but pabbie didn't want the neighbor to steal his number one gun and by the way, 19 of every 10 times when patty said this was mike when pappy says this was my gun in the war everyone assumes this was his personal gun that when he left they said you had a good war here's your gun bye bye no good pappy could have Had a Winchester in the war isn't that once true, he just bought it surplus working with it being somewhere in the world.

I bought one of those and I assume this is the pattern of the gun. I didn't have a war, it doesn't exist and my dad always loved that ambiguity. You do that shit on purpose. Don't fall for that shit and then they carved a name on there so Bill who is always borrowing stuff and is never good to Brac, I put Pappy here so Bill can't keep him and by the way it's just as likely that Pappy had one. of these in war, oh yes, notoriously so, that's right, yes, so you're watching this because you're a total gun nerd, that doesn't mean that everyone who has been handed over to Gandhi in a war is also a nerd of weapons or even that they have any. even a small and remote interest in any of the details of his weapon, oh yes, it's a tool, I mean some of them, yes, and hopefully they all ended up in development or independent development.

I think the majority of your audience is probably male, they're probably interested in militaria. go to the nearest makeup store and just look at everything that is a cylindrical tube this size and tell me which is the lip gloss and which is the eyeliner from 40 feet away and that's what Patti knows because you think Probably the only full-size rifle you've ever been given, right? You see something that even remotely resembles him anyway. Sorry, that's a separate topic. Mods are probably pretty much non-existent and if you got caught doing it, it was your ass and guns were almost more valuable than men in most. armies, in fact there are a couple, the exceptions are really notable and they are not WW1 exceptions, the one that comes to mind is the Boer War, yes the wars carved all sorts of cool labret things , oh, and sometimes just rubbish, but sometimes very elaborate. interesting things and their rifles and they did it because everyone had their own personal weapons or you have things like partisans or like, yeah, the idiot Chetnik, whatever, again, although you have a less organized and not full state right and, for right, once I've become a whole state where things disappear very quickly, you don't see it in later designed guns because all of a sudden states spend tax money on it and they don't want you to goals with that.

I'm not 100% into the details of this because it's something I hope to go see, but in Canada one of the museums has their smile on it which was one that is complete and very intricate, we like the relief carvings all over the wood, it's beautiful. and it's something that a soldier did in the field and was court-martialed, but the weapon was so nice that they kept it and put it in the museum, but that didn't stop them from throwing it in the brig. Not really, I will also say it speaking. about the field modifications that I have handled, I have not handled the brand modification, but the armory modification, which is where the modification occurs at the armory level, yes, the Springfield 1903, you know, the action is rambles on and then when we think of it as the 9003, it's actually more like a 19 or 5/6. true, but this was serial number one and it made it to France in World War I before they filled the armor they said this is serial number one and they sent it back, he made all the improvements to it that not man from the bar and there's nothing We leave it like that, so they're not so sentimental about these weapons, but again you can't touch them, we get the way.

The only other exception I can think of is a WWII thing, which is the Stingers. I could tell if they go to World War II. The Italians intended to make art on their gun casings. Yes, they dug out hot carcasses and debris for patterns that, as far as I can tell, appear to have existed. I don't know unless it was just a universal rural thing until the immediate post-war period, but I doubt that's okay. Next we have Tyler who tells what was the most important lesson learned about firearms designed during World War I. My answer would be the shift from focusing primarily on aiming and accuracy to appreciating the benefit of appreciating the benefit of volume of fire, which you're saying, I mean, volume of fire was probably something they captured pretty well, it just seems more ascribed that a machine, although well, you don't see it as much in In other kingdoms, except in him, Germany uses a universal machine gun, everyone else goes hunting with a light machine gun and then a submachine gun which is probably the largest.

Your personal mobile firepower increases, which is what you're talking about in everyone's terms. use fire, that's where that volume of farts starts and he's asking specifically about firearms design from the design side even though the manufacturing is simple. I think what they finally began to understand is how to make self-loading rifles that were militarily reliable. of commercial things like this, yeah, that's amazing, but you don't want to rule out that in the trench, almost like this is a hint of World War I, but it really takes another decade, it takes a while before we see it per se same. loading rifles, but you see it in submachine guns like this idea that you don't need a locking system, you can have a tube and a big cylindrical bolt and a magazine and just let it bang back and forth, that's my biggest takeaway from Honda, yes, mass production.

There were simplifications, but actually when you start seeing an MV 18 and then they start saying that the label agreement was the next big thing and it was only simplified in World War II, it's like at the end of World War I they started to realize that you can make things out of garbage and it would still work, that was probably the most important lesson in terms of large scale war, what is perhaps confusing is that they didn't act on it, not because then the war ended and yes you could build garbage, but if it is not necessary, why would you ask yourself like that?

But you have plenty of everything, so they went back to making good weapons because you can write and it wasn't until World War II that things got really desperate. People were, you know, what you remember doesn't happen. Look, you have two more here. Next up is Kyle. What is your favorite carbine from World War I? I know there are many options, but I would choose a Serbian Mauser 1908. It feels practical and is chambered in one of the smoother rounds, Mauser says seven millimeters. I actually love this seven millimeter Bowser cartridge, it's a pleasure shooter and by the way, that's a very strange choice, the most terrible thing is you don't know that there was a survey in 1908.

It's probably one of the rarest guns, if not the rarest, that you can choose from one where, so you don't ask, how many have seen a rifle opportunity on video, but it hasn't been released yet? Maybe at the time of this, but where? anyone would get their hands on one of the red ones, thanks by the way John, sure for learning, yeah these are really nice and if I had to choose a bolt action carbine this one ispretty high up on the list, so this one or I could even say I'm like your shirt, our carbine, those are fantastic shots, smoother than this gun and I don't hate a 6.5 bottle nose any more than you do, so maybe like a Greek, come on, for sure now. or something like this would work well for me, 38 carbon, it is also an extremely good gun and one of my favorites in terms of being buttoned up waterproof and mud proof, however it is pretty much cocked to 90% on clothing, a little open at 10%. and the clothes are not so soft, the only thing I don't like about those weapons is that if you try to shoot fast, they really want to move away from the target more than others, that's true, but otherwise it's extremely superior, but I take it for a standard, you know, Mauser carves in many ways in terms of pure reliability 6 5 is a carbine if it weren't for the problems with the end guy that turns over like it's not always perfect, that it's extremely light and extremely manageable and underrated I want say, it's not underrated, but I think the males are caught, yes, naturally, of course, that's the real original version of the First World War with the cool version of the First World War, so one has the switch of cavalry, there was something limited, you know.

Okay, and our last question is from Edie, who says that of all the rare and unusual forgotten weapons of the First World War, one that you have in your hands, which one would you take into combat and he says why would it still be the MP. 18 or the RSC, but I'll let you go first. If you ever lost your understanding, so I'm going to tip my hand too much. Honestly, the RSC would tempt me as long as I knew I had a good logistical trail. from Clips right because I think Pete's clips in my experience, my limited but real experience is that those clips are pretty disloyal, yeah boy, from Darnay, I wasn't even thinking about mine, the answer is I have to ask you, he is not wrong about the MBT.

Although I would say that is limited by the fact that I now have one of my hands, they are having some time to play with one and I am coming to some conclusions about how that weapon is not as simple as you think in terms of. of handling there is a holster that fits over the magazine, which magazines are a big problem for that thing, so there is a suit, if it is incredible, everything is there as a spacer. In fact, I suspect you're supposed to load the magazine and then press it. spacer forward because you can overfeed the magnet will jam the gun in ours but ours is a rebuild so I need to play with some snap caps and some museum pieces in the future to confirm this but it all seems to say insert magazine, grab pull mag goes back out to buy, sets up and then works like a cop, that's a little complicated to handle even though you're buying the submachine gun, if we're looking, oh you know, I could count on your opinion, possibly there is another.

Very forgotten submachine gun Do you have an opinion on a certain Italian design? Are you talking about the Ovie piece? Yes, I painted the one in a museum. The problem is that I have never shot. They shot me. One has an extremely high rate of fire. It was a little delicate, in fact, it didn't work very well, but of course, it is a strange submachine gun that is a hundred years old and loaded, and whose magazine has a large open slot in the back that is conceptually, although very strong, right, yes, conceptually. really strange charging system, oh you have a pump that I leave on, it's very nice with a lock button at the bottom which is a bit strange and awkward to get used to.

I found that thing more comparable to the Browning auto 22 in terms of field, pick it up and see what I mean, what am I arguing here that says it doesn't have the strange balance problem of the MP 18? In general, it is the name León 30 running on the side that it does not have. the magazine rarity fuels the issues you're talking about, it's a much lighter gun overall and better balanced, it would be a really strong contender, no yeah, if I don't have a rig to load the magazines for me that might put me over the edge for breath or for ovp, but because it is a traditional double stack, double feed magazine and is opposite to the Luger trommel drum which is like you lose your tool, it just solves the problem of naming a weapon forgottenthe way there's never any data about how all they really prefer is that yeah we're basically dreaming just because so I can go full federal often because I have a select fire but when you actually take the trip what the hell does it do?

Yeah, that's how I forgot about that one that would actually be or, honestly, Fedorov might be more compelling to me than the RSC. You actually drive one, so I know I've never fired one, but I've driven it, I like the drive, it was helpful, right, how many things have you driven that you liked and then yeah, something happens? you know, Ellie happens, you always have to pull the trigger, you wanted to do that in our show as much as possible, yeah, okay, then that's good, Darrell Bevell, great, we'll both run with Fedorov Sando VP 1918. If he was really involved in war, I would choose things that were very well proven, yes, my 1907 Chester, yes, a very, very high contender. better than a deadbolt, but you're pretty sure it'll actually work.

I'm technically referring to an FM 1800 there and I've had great luck with that on the Remington 800. I think it's a little more susceptible than I like, yes, but what a little work, but again, this is all guesswork, in the long run term, I would take a good reliable bolt action in that period with what the Cottle orders and the 1917 field were doing, yeah okay, so thanks to everyone on Patreon who made You might be the ones asking the questions that I like. I said I didn't want to spoil the giveaway of what we were doing here because we have a big project they're working on.

I don't think I spent that much money on it. my life let alone an offensive project, you know, a lot of ammunition, a lot of machine guns consume a lot of ammunition, which costs a lot of money, yes, so it spent many days in the sun when we were not finished yet. We already finished filming this, but we have to get out of it every once in a while, now we have to make up some time to film other things too, oh my God, this is a nightmare. You want to tell people anything about dozens, yes, right now.

It's probably the nice Taylor, the couple of little advances that we've had in our hands, like all the light war machines and most automatic rifles, yes, so it's like everything, even the rarity of a Fedorov that we have Yeah, that's pretty much the only thing. that I could name and again I don't know that that song is for a standard song. I felt like God no, it wasn't right and all we have at least so they just saw the standard theme, yeah, and you could say it's a light machine gun, it's us. I got it, yeah, I would be here, so that was also theirs a convalescence of things that I was like II and go there, this is an opportunity to do this, so there's a lot of content because you'll see the results of that project. over the course of about a month and it will be on both channels, half will be forgotten and the other half will be on CN Arsenal, so assuming none of us caught fire died, it's true, it's not all filmed, no, although it is .

It will be for when people see him very tired anyway. Thank you all so much for tuning in. If you haven't seen anything at CN Arsenal, you should definitely visit and check it out. Elias' depth and research is fantastic and I hope to return. and collaborate with you again in the future. Yes, thanks for watching.