West could cut out China like Russia to end threat of spying | Politics Panel

We have to recognize that, unlike Russia, our economy is quite dependent on them, but we also have to recognize that China is in fact a growing

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, it is a

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to us economically, not only because of what it produces but also because of what it produces. . part of the access that they have to rare minerals and things like that, but also militarily and their support for Russia is clearly a big concern for us as we look at what's happening particularly in Ukraine, them too, of course. in Syria, so this is not an easy path to follow.

China itself has problems, you know, it has very high youth unemployment, it has housing problems, it also has various internal problems, um and uh, some of those may be internal. Tensions may make a difference in the future, but there is no doubt that we must certainly disentangle any military or major infrastructure. The dependence on any Chinese technology in which they can intervene from a distance. Okay, let's move on to something else. Me and We'll Talk About China, because on Monday Deputy Prime Minister Oliver Dowden announced new sanctions against China in the wake of cyber attacks that revealed the data of 40 million British voters.

He told Parliament that China was responsible for malicious cyber campaigns targeting the Electoral Commission and MPs are believed to have been targeted by cyber attacks by Beijing and called on the government to label China as a threat, which it later did and which included former Conservative leaders such as Duncan Smith, who held his own press conference. Most parliamentarians are already clear about this. that China is a threat. We don't walk around in the rooms talking to each other about my God, have you seen how Epoch defends how defiant they are in Epoch's sense? uh, having a cup of tea together, what did we talk about.

What it's about is the threat, so the question really is what kind of advice is the government getting on this and, uh, we need to, as they say, call a spade a spade and the reality is that they are a threat, so that we must stand up, call them whatever they want. are and then you say that if you deal with us, you deal with us on the basis that we do not fully trust you. NY Bennett coming to you to get the green street on this so you know MPS like Seran Duncan Smith says well. are a threat and a certain number of additional sanctions announced by the government, but what else should be done?

I know there's a lot of talk in America right now about clamping down on Tik Tok, which

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come here too. I think I should Firstly, I have to declare my interest in that at the end of last week I received one of the letters indicating that he had been attacked by the Chinese among many other MPs and peers and that is probably because I am co- chairman of the all-party parliamentary group in Hong Kong and one of the things that I think is not discussed enough is that we have to think about what the government is doing to protect the many, huge numbers of Hong Kongers who have come here.

Under the BNO passport scheme we also have to think about protecting Hong Kong students and think about protecting Chinese students who are here and who maybe want to come here, start exploring different political ideas and be extremely vulnerable to pressure of fellow students. Chinese state forces, so I think the government has to think a lot more about that and I especially like to think about the Majin Sky sanctions when we think about the human rights abuses in Hong Kong, the gambling in Tibet, all these. We actually need the government to speak much louder, be much clearer, we need to show some strength in this area, and I fear we are not doing enough either to protect people in the UK or to talk about the human rights abuses that China is inflicting, the Dian haters, come see them about this, what needs to be done, what kind of additional clampdown on Chinese companies needs to be put in place because people forget that two years ago they got trashed so many things when it comes to security infrastructure and cameras, surveillance, government equipment, all, all, many contracts were canceled in the future, so a lot has been done to clamp down on China, but what's next?

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do good for workers? I think your examples are very pertinent because it was actually quite complicated to figure out all those things and China is actually much deeper in our economy than Russia, for example, and therefore we have to recognize that many of our consumer goods , many of our technological goods. um you know, we're really tied in China with them, so just cutting is difficult, not to say that it shouldn't be done, um, but we have to recognize that, um, I'm saying that unlike Russia, our economy is quite dependent on them, but we also have to recognize that China is in fact a growing threat, it is a threat to us economically, not only because of what it produces, but also because of some of the access it has to rare minerals and other things, but also militarily.

Well, and their support for Russia is clearly a big concern for us as we look at what's happening particularly in Ukraine, of course, they're also in Syria, so this is not an easy path to follow. China itself has problems, you know, it has very high youth unemployment, it has housing problems, it also has various internal problems, um and uh, it's possible that some of those internal tensions could make a difference in the future, but there is no doubt that we certainly must untangle any military infrastructure or major dependence on any Chinese technology where they can intervene from a distance, but we have to be realistic, this was not easy to just take a step back, um, but that's not Say it's not a It is a priority for us to think deeply about your opinion on these new sanctions.

Well, I think we made the first fatal mistake when David Cameron and George Osborne basically threw themselves at the feet of Beijing when he took office in 2010. I think it's probably too late to think that Sewell B, who they claim is not, It doesn't have any hidden secret Chinese machines or whatever you call appliances inside that building it's completely for the birds and it's the kind of thing the post office said about Fujitsu. I wouldn't believe that Assurance at all