En La Sala With Evaluna – Leslie Grace on Representation in Hollywood | Amazon Music

Foreigner a show where you join me Eva Luna in my living room to talk about all the real things happening in my life right now in this changing world and in our community. I'm coming to you this week from Las Vegas and today I have an amazing artist join me to talk about

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in Hollywood Leslie Grace take a seat because we're about to spill the coffee seat it's so hard to process the magnitude of big moments like this It's a great privilege because there are very few opportunities for films about our stories so we don't see enough after Latinos, black Latinos in film, there is intersectionality within our community, these are things that we haven't even taken advantage of to see in the screen, okay let's get into it, today's topic is Latino

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in Hollywood because we know that it is harder to imagine ourselves achieving as a community if we don't see ourselves reflected in the media first without examples of what is possible and complex characters those we can admire, it is almost impossible to imagine more for our lives.

For our careers and for our families, there is evidence of how much the media can affect even the job opportunities we see for ourselves. The Associated Press conducted a study that showed that more than 75 percent of forensic science students are women. This is believed to be a direct influence. The CSI effect resulted in an influx of women joining the field due to the influence of television documentaries and crime dramas. I studied forensic science for about a semester because I loved Criminal Minds so much. This shows that what we see in the media really influences our opinions.

Of ourselves, while we have seen great growth in recent years, there is still a lot of work we have to do to see changes in representation in front of and behind the camera and even the representation we see does not always reflect the spectrum of beautiful people that make up the Latino community, so often the names and roles of Latino people are reduced to a stereotype, we still do not understand how many diverse roles other cultures have without a stereotypical twist. Another difficult fact is that every time the community is given an opportunity, it is not held to the same level financially or otherwise because it is a Latino project and while we are grateful for any step forward, it is exhausting to feel that we are tiptoeing instead of making real progress to change people.

We might think we are ungrateful because we don't appreciate something small, but that's only because we know we deserve more. My hope is that by continuing these conversations about representation we can come together to ask for that not out of a lack of gratitude but out of an honest recognition that we, as a community, deserve more, so let's talk about it. Family joining me now is the talented singer actress star of in the Heights and the new Batgirl Leslie Grace Leslie Grace officially in The Room with me. I'm so excited. that you're here, thank you so much for joining me in your busy schedule for having me and your time change, yeah, but I'm like I'm ecstatic, it's only 9 p.m. m. here, so I don't go to sleep until 1 a.m. m. anyway.

You know I'm nocturnal, well I mean, that girl, get it nocturnal, I'm so happy to be here baby, thank you so much for having me. I want you to tell everyone where you're joining from. I just found out I'm in Glasgow well that's how you say it apparently here Glasgow Scotland um and I'm shooting well we're about to start shooting in the next two weeks that girl so I'm training and I'm going to get my ass kicked learning to kick some congratulations because this is huge, I don't know if for me, when I'm living through something this crazy, I usually realize after living through it, you know, and I look back and say, oh my gosh.

How are you? How are you living it? Do you realize how big this is right now or do you think you might like to realize it a little later? It was really interesting when I first received news like that. Obviously you know it's a big thing, you know, um, but I think for me it's like what you just said, how you process things, it's very difficult to process the magnitude of big moments like this and achievements like this. especially when you're thinking about the practice, the practice, what you're going to do and what you have to prepare for, you know, you don't really know.

Personally, I don't like to spend too much time thinking about how big it is. It's because it overwhelms me a little bit, so then I look back and think like wow, that was a great moment, you know, but little by little as we peeled the onions of um, what this? What the movie is going to be and how we're going to start creating who Batgirl is. All the moments where I think, oh my gosh, we're really doing this like you're really doing this, so for you, what's your favorite part of being a hero, have you learned, you know the responsibility that comes with it? .

Yeah, I'm definitely learning, learning it more and more in the process and I knew I think that was one of the first things that came to mind even when I auditioned. Well, if this is a possibility, there is a possibility that I get this, I'm also very aware of it, you know, one in a million, you know, kind of thing, this is for a person in my position to take on. a role like this, so I thought it was going to be very important, not only for me, but also to see that representation, so the responsibility factor was the first thing I thought of in my head and it just adds to the motivation of wanting to do even better work, you know, not just for yourself but simply for what it will mean to everyone else who can see it.

I don't think we see each other enough in a lot of different roles, but as Latino representation in action, you know, so I think it'll be really cool as a superhero to be something like that for a lot of young people who are like me, who can do that. I could be a superhero like I can. I can learn martial arts. I can learn jiu jitsu. Can I, you know, do all these things that we haven't seen in the movies yet? So it's going to be great, not 100 100 and honestly, it is. Iconic and for you it's like marking these steps forward because I don't know if you realize that you're establishing, you know you're moving forward for us in this role, what would you say your superhero was or was growing up? overall as someone who really inspired me as a child and I think all of us were Selena um and I think it was just because she reflected all the things that I felt like she was, I was very proud to be Latina. she's saying in both English and Spanish, you know, we all wish she was here longer, but even in the life that she lived she left such a great legacy and was so sincere in everything she did, that's why it was very adorable. , I love everything, her style, her fashion, dancing and then acting.

I always grew up admiring him a lot, it's always Atlanta because she was Dominican Puerto Rican, you know, she played a lot of these roles early on. in that, you know, in what part of the action world, that was dramatic, uh, that reflected characters that you, she, you know, that she could play, that she could actually be in real life, but that also didn't limit her in any way. guy. in a way as an actress um and I think she's definitely someone who let her, you know, who just opened doors and opened them, she continues now as a producer with her sister, so yeah, those are some people, uh, Britney Spears, I I love a little.

Britney Spears, I mean, I could go on and on about people like that, but just acting women and what about your heroes in life or you know, in your day to day life? Yes, very similar strong women. My mom, uh, I'm sure my mom is back here somewhere where she. she sends you love for the way she's with you uh yeah she's with me she's with me she'll be here for another week um and I'll miss her when she's gone but yeah my mom she's my whole work ethic I learned it from her strong persistence, a very vision-driven woman and an incredible mother, so definitely her, my older sisters, yes in life, as I have learned from a lot of really strong women in my life, my grandmother, so this episode is about Latino representation.

I couldn't have thought of a better person to be in this with me. So let's talk about how much representation there is right now in the media. In your opinion, what do you think are the most important issues right now? You have some we have some, I think it's definitely no secret that there is progress to be made in many areas of many industries for all minorities, but specifically when it comes to Latino representation in film, I think it's about they calculated which was like Seven percent of Hollywood's top-grossing movies include leading or co-starring roles for Latinos and not being represented, you know, as widely as you might think, one of the things that I personally think about when we finally get the chance to see each other. ourselves on screen is a great privilege because there are so few opportunities for films about our stories to do so, but we also have the burden because there are not enough of our stories on film and we have the burden. of having to represent as many people as we can in one frame and that can also be counterproductive because then we lose the full breath of our culture and then we also overload some films that maybe have a chance. um, with full responsibility for, you know, breaking through years and years of a system that, you know, hasn't given enough opportunity to our stories as a whole, um, so I think what we need in general I'm going on a little rant right after that question, but I think overall what we need more of is more stories so we don't overload every movie we get every 10 years or five years if we're moving forward.

With the ardor of representing everyone, it's very difficult to fight those battles behind the scenes when there aren't enough people on the other side of the table to bet on our stories being told authentically and in a way that truly represents who we are, so when we know that we only have a few each decade, it becomes difficult for them to be successful at the box office, you know, because it divides everyone, so I think we need plurality. I think it's the word that we need more context about what Latinidad is in cinema so that the world knows something like what we're seeing in

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now and we need more people at the top to recognize that you don't need to know stories about us without us, like you need people in the room who understand what these stories are and the importance of specificity.

You can't rely on diversity, the trend of diversity without giving importance to specificity because then it turns around and works against you, so, yeah, those are some ideas about representation. I think we are going in the right direction. I think a lot of the good thing is that now you know that at least on one end you know that people can have a conversation about this and that and you know that it's known, so progress is being made, but we definitely have a lot of work to do. 100, there's a lot to do, but we're also grateful for what's been done so far yeah um. and there are so many things in the Latin community that I feel like there is so much color, so much rhythm, so much sound, so many different things, that has been one of the problems that I feel, has been how trapped they are in one. you know uh version version of exactly so it has happened to me personally that I have gone to many auditions where they look for a Latina and um they tell me that I am not Latina enough maybe not enough if you would like it strange uh, which is strange, I wonder what would be Latin enough, it's a moving target, it's a moving target, you know, depending on the hearing, depending on the road, and all of that comes back to like if we don't have plurality, if we don't If we don't have more than one version or more than one story to represent everyone, then we will continue to get executives and casting directors that you know, maybe due to lack of exposure or ignorance, you don't know that there is a breath. of you know the culture, the looks and the sizes, and you know the accents and, uh, you know within our Latinos, you know, so I think that's the main battle that we're fighting, yeah, and do you feel like when When have you seen certain movies or well, yes, movies that include a Latino person, would you say that?

Has it ever happened to you that you see it and say that that is not 100 accurate? Who are we? What is it, yes what? Would you say that is one of the biggest misconceptions about our community in general? I guess it's represented or reflected in the media for some reason. We love to see Latinos in drug movies and you know, and TV shows, and there's nothing wrong with that. the first to see drug traffickers. I love you, you know their incredible, historical stories and we can enter a world that you know is a bit of escapism and because we don't have other stories, it becomes the gateway to people. discovering what latinidad is and this is how someone who looks like this or is from this place uh or speaks this language could be from any other place uh This is how they would acteither this is what they do or this is and um You know in the same way it would be hard for me to know unless you know I did my research.

Do you know the lifestyle or the customs of someone in Singapore or Korea, or in the United Kingdom. same way you know if there are some tropes in there that don't line up and that misrepresent and that claim to represent all of us um then that becomes a problem um along the way um and I think we've seen enough shows to move forward with this example like from corona and like all of these, you know, it shows that we can immerse ourselves in different worlds that we wouldn't otherwise know about, where we can get an idea that okay, that's the royal family and this is a normal person in the Kingdom United.

And this is what you know, you have plurality, but when it comes to LA Dividal in film, we don't have a lot of that, so we still don't have a lot of diversity, um, so I think it all comes down to one root. question of what are the stories that are getting enough investment and budget, that the people who are in the sex feel that they will know how to get the return and that in the end we all support too, that we do everything we can to, you know, put our dollar into it. um, you know, what are the stories that we really want to see?

Are they being made by Latinos who care about how far they go? You know, they break a glass ceiling, so yeah, it's totally true. It's that you know a lot about everything else and not much about our community and we know how much there is and how much depth, so that's the most frustrating thing, the proportions, so we do talk a lot about Latin films specifically. A lot of times people spend their time, you know, judging the movie or really breaking it down and in all the other communities, this is obviously all I feel, not without giving facts, but in other communities I feel like they know everyone.

Likes celebrate each other and grow, and um, we don't see a lot of that in our Latin community, so do you think likes? Do you see it as a problem? What do you think we can do to change? You already know this and I like to connect us again as a community and you know, come together to celebrate, yeah, I think I mean what happened with our movie uh in the Heights and, uh, you know I understood, I think we all understood despite that all of our intentions were to best represent as many people as possible who live in this Washington Heights neighborhood, down to the specificity of what was on the table that we were eating, you know, and the opening sequence of seeing people from the real life that lived in the neighborhood, um, played roles, you know, uh, and then I understood, um, that there still isn't enough and what I think it boils down to is a product of the same problem, what's coming is what I was saying before, it's like we don't do it.

I don't have enough stories, so we carry any opportunity we get, you know, with all the responsibility and we're not there yet, so what I think is important for us as a community as a landing. The community recognizes that there is still a lot of progress that we have yet to see in film and there is still a lot of room for ownership also from our part of people who are willing to take the risk of doing something that is contributing to the progress that we want to see for our community in the cinema and we are also willing to take the risk of having stones thrown at them.

You know, not everyone is always willing and able to take the responsibility of saying that the road is worth paving. If someone picks up a brick and throws it in my direction, I know they are making personal progress. I always say if it wasn't for John and if it wasn't for Lynn and Kiara who took a chance and made sure this movie got made. and Warner Brothers too um in the heights I mean, I wouldn't be playing the bad girl today. You wouldn't know it. I can't acknowledge that there is still a lot of work to be done in representation.

Definitely recognizing that we still don't see enough black Afro-Latino Latinos in film and we need to not see enough Latinos in general, so we have a lot of things to unpack and a lot of things to unpack as well. terms of biases within our own community and what our own community will support, so these are all conversations that we haven't even touched on and I think that's why we can't come together yet and get there, so bringing them out is important. um, but I think we can bring them out and at the same time support and take advantage of the opportunities we have right now.

I think we still agree that we still have a long way to go, but I think the path to where we all want to get to where we are all seen and heard and our stories are validated and we are all represented in film is to take advantage of the opportunities that we have and try to get some ownership while we do it, that way we can start telling our own stories, it's so true and I think it's crazy to hear it directly from you and something that you experienced, because it's also so true that you know our own community and loves to destroy it. in a way because they're not completely happy, but there's also this movie that kind of represents the culture that they know, so it's cool and I think we all have to be extremely grateful for all the similar steps forward regardless. of you know, big or small, but I also feel like it's a process that we all really have to learn together because, because we're a community, it's like we're tearing each other down in some way and we have to stick together so that you really see the change and I think what you did in The Heights definitely put you too or was a step forward for you to be in this position now and stay informed.

Paving the way and doing this. steps forward for our community, so it's amazing that you were able to be a part of that. I'm sure you enjoyed it a lot too because you know it's very, it's very, you get to live many sides of yourself and I think that's beautiful and I love that you know you see it, you appreciate it even if it had some conflict after um, you appreciate that it's also been a step forward to where you are now, that's amazing, yes, I really do. I also add to that Your point you know when you think about West Side Story and you think about what a breakthrough it was for someone like Rita Moreno and back in the day you have to think about the context so obviously we all know you know the composition. and even the framing of the story itself is not as progressive as we would have liked to be seen or would like to be seen, but it was not, that does not take away from the great progress that it was.

It was good for Rita and us to have someone you know representing Latin talent, so it may not be the end of it, but if we don't start somewhere, you know what I'm saying? We will not be able. to continue to move forward and see what other branches those opportunities come from and so what I do agree with in terms of some of the complaints is you know you have to manage favoritism and bias within. Do you know who are the people who get those privileged opportunities that I have? I can still acknowledge that I am very privileged to be in the position I am currently in, although I have worked very hard in the way that I know it is.

It is definitely a privileged place to be and with that comes responsibility, so those are the conversations that we can have, but I don't think we should tear down, you know, what we've been able to achieve so far, we should build it up. of that, so yes, we can agree there. Services 100, there is a lot of work to do, but the path is worth it. Paving, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of work to do, but I feel like we're getting further and further along and yeah, it's crazy to me. How in our cultures family is so important that it's like it's crazy to know that we don't see everyone else as family to be able to like, yeah, go ahead on that, but yeah, I know we're getting better and it's getting better and better and um our community is so diverse and complex and it's like we're all lumped together, how would you define how would you define Latinx and how do you identify as a Latina?

Yeah, oh, I would define Latinx as you know. What I like most about our culture is that we are very welcoming and we see, you know, like you just said, we are anyone, at least in my family, my mom loves to invite anyone who doesn't have a place where she sees a friend from a friend's family or friend who doesn't have a place to eat or you know doesn't have family around, they all come to our house and it's like a big deal and it doesn't matter where you're from. like they're welcome, you know, and I think that's something we have to work on within our own community.

I truly believe that and I believe that the best in us is represented when we demonstrate our unity like you. I just said: I would say Lively. I would say that Latinos are more than salsa with chips, like a lot of people think that, like you say, Latinos, and a lot of people think that it's spicy, yeah, yeah, salsa, you know, and you're like okay. I'm a person that you know, so we have a lot of things that you know we have, we have a lot of depth, we have a lot more stories to tell, there is intersectionality within our community, these are things that we haven't even taken advantage of to see.

On screen we see it a little more on television, but not as much in cinema because of the risks again, so the more we can value our differences in cinema and in real life, the more we begin to recognize and celebrate what we have . in common when we get together, I seriously get so, this is so excited, I love it, it's so much fun and it's something that I really wanted to know and I feel like everyone listening and watching will also want to know what it is. Yes, obviously as an actress and singer and as Batgirl you do a lot and you know it's a lot of work, what do you think?

It sounds so funny to hear that she was and as a bad girl you do a lot you have to do a lot I mean you're saving the world like what are you hello um what are you doing so funny because I need this information too um when you do it when you're overwhelmed you like to focus and move on yeah yeah such a good question so currently in this season of my life meditation is huge for me huge before I even start. I don't know if you want to share this, cut it out, we started with a deep breath and that for me was like one breath was like heaven breathing was everything, breathing exercises are amazing for me.

I really don't share it. I'm not much of a sharer, but I've shared it recently. A lot of my personal growth, like the journey and the mental health journey, and for me therapy has been huge in just evaluating those things that you have a space for you to just process correctly because you're not, you know. You can't process everywhere in your life, especially what we know, you know you have to be in a lot of the time and you have so much information coming from so many different directions that you can be in different places if you're a highly sensitive person. smells, you pick up a lot of other people and there's very little space for you to process most of the time you spend just trying to get some rest to get to the next day, so being able to clock in like an hour and 90 minutes, you know, every week or every two weeks, for me it's huge to process it with my therapist and see my progress and and yes, and just prayer, for me meditation and prayer come together and it brings me peace any time I feel overwhelmed . um I just have a conversation all day long I get to know God and I just drink a little bit.

Breathe, those are my go-to places for me. I love that's beautiful and I love that we're getting more and more comfortable sharing, you know therapy is normal, therapy should be, yeah, it should be normal and encouraged, and um. I love that we've been able to use this platform for that as well and I like talking so much about how you know mental health is so important and self-care is so important. How do you think we could do it? It's better as a community to make this a priority and how to prioritize self-care and healing when we're not normally educated to do that because you know sometimes we're not seen as them, it's been stigmatized, yeah, I think starting with our family. members, which can be hard sometimes because no one, we're all making jokes about everything you know, especially our parents, about the hard times in life and you don't even know it, but when it comes to what really matters to me, let's talk about it.

You know it's hard to be vulnerable in those spaces, so yeah, I would say you know, baby, taking a step at least in that direction for us as a community. I think it's important for us to start taking those small steps wherever we can. Our family members talk about things that you know, maybe they feel like you know that sounds scary at first, but it's very freeing when you're in a vulnerable place with the people you care about and then it becomes sharing stories. . I love listening, something that I think our community is really one of our superpowers is that we are also storytellers, we are storytellers and so with my family a lot of times the way that I get information from them is by asking them. aboutkind of like something she did at a certain age and then she'll just be gone, you know, so yeah, we all want to be seen and heard, and stories are a really good way to start exposing a lot of things. those things that make us feel a certain way or that we never get to process and then yes, I think we can do it a lot more and start spending a little more time.

I love that and I think I just feel more comfortable talking and I like knowing. that it's totally okay to talk is the first step, you know, and it's like adding to something you said. I just thought about a conversation I had with one of my favorite psychologists. She is amazing. Her name is Pilar Sordo. um, listen, I have to tell you. You talk about a conversation you had with Pilar and that you shared, yes, on your Instagram, I saw it in full and it blew my mind, oh, that's incredible, I hadn't heard of it, no, I just have to since you're mentioning it .

I have to let you know that those conversations go a long way, you know, and remove the stigma and I was like, "Oh my gosh, this is such a great conversation. I'm so glad she's doing this." it was so long ago like a month ago this was quarantine this was yeah we made a section for this thing I was doing on Instagram but it's awesome that you saw it and I'm pretty sure I'm about to. I repeat one of the things I said, that stuck with me, it's something I live for, there are so many gems in that novel, it's incredible, she said that, oh, the last time, the only time crying is accepted it's when a The baby is born, so the baby is born and you're expecting the baby to cry about it and it's a sign, it's a good sign when the baby starts to cry and then they tell us for the rest of our lives every time someone starts. crying is like oh no, don't cry even if you're trying to make the other person feel better.

Usually you always try to cut the wave of crying, you know, because it has a wave and it has to have a time to end and it's the only time we look at it like you know something that's accepted and it's okay, so I think it's amazing that every time we are like you know how good it is to cry and show tears and all our emotions. this conversation is real and ah, this conversation is so good that we didn't have any more, it's been wonderful to you and to close we have these two sections that we always do, that we always do every week in every episode because you know I've been in this it's so well I wish I could talk to you forever okay so we have two very excited questions in our conversation too so it's hard not to I love it I love it but that's how we are you know it's Great okay in these two sections it's called the first one and it's to get to know you a little better.

Okay, so you know where you come from and who you are, so tell us a tradition that your family has. that you love, that you think is amazing and then one that may bother you a little, uh, a tradition that may bother me a little. Yes, one that you love and one that may bother you a little, you know, on New Year's we do it. Lastly, some people bring suitcases from Los Angeles, you know, like the whole thing and we have a group of people like family and family friends and everyone who comes to our house, our house is like the party house, so we'll invite everyone to come except one of the ones that aren't like over the years I'm sure I enjoyed them more when I was a kid but over the years it's gotten more and more extravagant and if my mom was awake right now he would be laughing and yelling at me.

Let me see, no, even before Halloween, I think my mom likes that the real Christmas tree has to be up and if you come to my house, the Christmas tree has always, no matter where we've lived, been huge and filled to the brim with everything you can imagine on that Christmas tree, it's like a village, yeah, all the baby pictures and it's like a whole every year, it's a new theme and there's bears in it and there's more and more things in it. as the years go by and the tree is like one of those artificial trees that you like to build and oh my god and buy the last one you have to climb on something to put it up and you have to open the branches listen when my mom says that tree is going to grow we all think who is going to help you you know seven, yes you know what there is in a moment, but when we are in the middle of it, we are enjoying and that is my favorite.

I think it might be one of my favorite Traditions to do this, it's really good, I love it and you definitely have to put on Michael Bublé while we make the tree, we have to yeah, just listen to Michael Bublé all the time, I mean he's . an angel he is an angel It's amazing, okay, and the second section, which is the last section since this podcast was created for the Latin community and

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is such an important part of who we are. I want to know which was the first one you had. I have to answer pretty quick what was the first concert you went to oh Britney Spears that's amazing who is my hero that's so amazing I love Brittany too that's great my big aunt real quick my aunt who we call Chanel her name is Isabel but we she's Chanel, she was Britney's makeup artist for a couple of her tours for a few years, so in my first class, she made that happen.

My first concert at AAA in Miami. I think she was seven, she was kid friendly, but yeah, she's the best. I love my. teeth she still does my makeup since if I can get it if I can catch it because sometimes it's not available but but uh, but yeah, I'm blessed, I'm blessed with all my granddaughters, it's amazing, okay, what a song immediately brings back a memory. or it transports you oh oh oh man so many um I would say you know what I was going to say before merengue during Christmas there are like Christmas meringues yes you know you know uh like that and you've spent you've spent Christmas in the patio don Don't you guys always spend the Christmas?

Yeah, and they almost always are, it's like they know, they know, they know, they know, so uh Juanita for uh for uh I love it, okay, so it transports you to like the Christmas season, yeah, what song do you have? I repeat right now, I'll just tell you which artists I have Omar Apollo on Loop, he's just great, he's a friend, friend of Ian and Ice, and everything he puts out is good. Greetings to Omar. I really like this. uh partly because I like to listen to new things and research and it becomes yes and go and find out it's amazing it was great okay favorite song to cheer you up hmm favorite song to cheer me up like now Do you know you're training for Batgirl ?

What song do you sing? Oh, to cheer you up. Probably like some old school hip-hop, like some NWA or something like there's always at the Sun in the dojo, the gym that we. train every day there is always old school hip-hop music from the 90s, 80s and 90s, that's really good, yeah, that's perfect. I'm really trying to channel my sister. I'm trying really hard to let you know me. I'm trying very, very hard every day. Channeling my aggression is a process I love that it's a process but uh yeah, it's not old school hip hop that comes out well song to set the mood with a winking face songs to set the mood songs to set the mood ooh day like some smooth operator you know what I'm saying I love it yeah okay last question what is I think it's a very difficult question are you ready? okay, okay, I don't know, let's see what song title you would use to describe yourself, let's go let's go with let's go with oh maybe in India we are India Arie I'm light oh I love that good job you are and you chose well come on we're all yeah girl and I've honestly loved having this conversation with you uh thank you so much and it's always a joy to see you wherever you are whether I see you on my phone I see you in person you just been you're light, you bring, you know, you already bring joy.

To everyone who comes across, thank you very much for inviting me. This was amazing. I'm very happy that we can do this. Me too. Thank you very much for taking the time. I know this episode will be amazing and will help me a lot. so many people well bye well bye you are amazing and I can't wait to see you what a great conversation how informative like just Lush convo you were so amazing the perfect person for this episode so thank you so much I can't . look forward to seeing you as Batgirl can't wait to see you too oh I'm so excited thank you I love you thank you so much to Leslie Grace for joining me in the hot seat today and thank you for tuning in and joining me. this season come into my living room to talk about all the real things that happen in my life it's all of us at some point in our lives you know we have to overcome adversity and very hard obstacles you don't have to die to end your pain that really is has become a mantra.

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