What Does a Delta Force Operator Carry Everyday?

Tom Spooner, welcome man, thanks for having me, it's been a long time coming, it's taken us a little bit of effort to get here, yeah, yeah, but I'm happy you're here and one thing before we get into the big stuff. we get heavy and in your life story, people are always super interested in

what

a gentleman like you carries to protect himself every day, that's why we call it the

everyday

pocket dump, so it might be a medical weapon blade,

what

ever you

carry

every day. day to keep you and your family safe, what are you packing?

Yeah, in my backpack back there, I mean, there's a cat tourniquet in that, uh, you always have it around for the most part, I don't really

carry

it around. uh, but I always have it with me because I always have my backpack because, like my little wubby, you know, uh, and then as far as weapons, it's a little Spartan sword folder, I mean, like the one I have here, oh , that's cool, that's cool, it's one that forgets the model, although they're going to kill me for forgetting the model, but some good friends of mine who use it in Spartan Blades, but generally, that's what you normally know.

The man without a knife. The man without a knife. Kind of outlook on life, you know as far as that P piece and then as far as weapons, I mean, uh staccato CS uh oh, you carry a staccato, yeah right, you're the first person I've heard that actually carries one of those , to be honest, absolutely. Yeah, because I was um, I mean, don't get into that when the story, but I mean look at the progression of that 2011, you know, over the last four, almost five years, now I mean, it's a great weapon, it's a little sturdy, I mean, it's not a micro, I mean, it's uh, but it's I.

I love it, super accurate, super reliable, high capacity charger. What capacity

does

the bag have? You can get up to 16, but I mean the slim version, you know when it is. I only have 13 in mind, I think. It's 16, yeah, but I'm always a weirdo with Springs Magazine and yeah, you know, so 13 is the number, uh, lucky number, 13, that's it and if I need more rounds than that, like had bigger problems than me, do you carry an extra one? mag I will have it in the truck, I mean many times, I mean, if I knew I was going, it depends on the situation, it is normal to walk every day, there is no spare mag, but I will have one in the truck, you know ? optics as far as the vehicle uh I like the Trijicon RMR but I still feel comfortable with it um a lot of them are just iron sights yeah yeah yeah you feel more comfortable with the irons.

I am, but it's silly like I just don't. I have to make the transition, you know, it's like iron sights. I would never have iron sights on a rifle when I could have a red dot, you know? So why would I do the same thing with my gun? So I'm out of laziness putting up with that uh Red Dot hey, um, I totally get it. I wasn't a big fan of red dots because I'd seen a lot of those things fail, yeah, you know, and of course, that was 20 years ago, you know. That, uh, and we were putting them on our rifles like on top of the ACOG and stuff, but I think they've come a long way and then and then I was always faster with the irons just because that's what I'm used to.

Yeah, you know, and then Kyle Morgan, that guy was talking to me about um, I never really saw who he was, you know, it was like he'd seen a lot of them fail. I had to completely retrain and then, and then, uh. I didn't really see the application and then Kyle Morgan showed up, that guy who told you he was in Rattis and Blue talked about climbing a ladder at night and having to pull someone out and he pulled out his gun and he could see with the head movements and I was like there, there it is, there it is, but I have something, uh, I have some friends at Sig and I told them you were coming and they got really excited, uh, I have a friend.

His name is Jason there and he wanted me to introduce him to you, so that's the latest and greatest macro. I guess you'd call it Sig 365 macro Legion All Metal, damn I guess I shouldn't have said. staccato at the beginning, everything's fine, that's what you carry, that's what you carry, but mine, so if there's a business card there with Jason's information, take it and call him, I think he has something very similar, I have to send you, but yeah, pick it up, let me know what you think, holy man, thanks, yeah, you're welcome, that's a pretty amazing gift, 17 plus one in the pipe, they designed the magazine first, uh, for the carrying capacity and then, uh, and then they designed the gun around the magazine.

Man, uh, this is cool because I was just looking at all the different types of micro looks, yeah, as far as the smaller one that I'm wearing and uh and I. He was looking at all the different brands and couldn't decide which one. I looked at YouTube reviews and thought, well I just need to talk to someone who knows, but now here we go, it's funny that a guy like you is an ex. gu unit watching macro reviews on YouTube, yeah, firearms, yeah, because I've never carried small stuff, you know, it's who you look at. I'm curious, are you really totally random?

I don't even know how many views there are on this one and I pull it up, he's a weirdo talking about it, probably yeah, I only get out of the ones where they're actually filming it, you don't know, uh, yeah man, thanks, yeah, you're welcome , you're welcome, well, don't thank me, thanks Jason. Well, thanks Jason, Jason, I wonder if I know him, you might know him, but just one last question, what do you think? You know a lot of crime is definitely increasing in the US since we won. Let's not get into politics, crimes are going up and people are worried that gun sales have gone up since around the 20th in 2018.

I think sales really started going up and then 2020 hit and all these riots but which one do you think? What is the greatest? mistake new carriers make when it comes to selecting or what's the biggest mistake you see, not really in weapon selection. I mean, there's a process for that, but the decision of when to actually use it oh yeah, I like it and stuff. Going back to I mean, when I taught tactics and I still teach it on the personal development side it's also the chain of loyalty, you know what I mean as far as when I'm going to make the decision because that's the first decision, you know, I mean , it's like and what happens if I pull out this gun means I'm going to use it, you know, so I'm going to decide if I'm going to kill someone or not, that to me is the thing because if you don't I'm comfortable with the idea of ​​killing another human being, then you shouldn't carry one, yeah, so for me that's what comes first, it's the decision making process, okay, I have this firearm, I want to protect myself, my family, you know?

I need to protect what that really means and really think about that, you know, am I willing to use this? That's number one and then the second thing after that is obviously not range time, but I mean dry fire, dry fire. dry fire, you know, because most people, normal people who aren't like us, you know they don't make the range, uh, as much, but you know the deal with dry fire like you can't, you can't get enough . You know, at least five minutes a week, you know, at a minimum, you know what I mean, practice where you put it, where you take it out, and where you take it.

I'll wear both, uh, appendix, like it's a t-shirt. you know something um and I'm not putting much on it, but I also like to wear it just inside the waistband. I currently wear that tacor, how staccato it is, it's inside the waist, one right on the hip, it

does

n't print very big, it's pretty good. not like a super super concealment, yes a deep concealment pistol, do you carry it all the time? I go to schools and if I'm not sure about the laws because God forbid you screw up one of those, it's another thing, you know, you have to be aware of all the laws, you know, I mean Amun, depending on where you are.

I live like I think in uh, where is it in New Jersey? Whatever if you have hollow points like there's some kind of fine for everyone, so being very aware of the laws too, yeah, yeah, but there are times where I've gotten complacent, you know? and not wear it, but I mean 90% of the time you know what I mean. Yes, I have it on me or near me, but I'm also pretty arrogant when it comes to that kind of thing, like there are guns around you. I know what you mean about a last question you talked about, you know, making the decision of whether you can kill or not.

I'm curious if you know that you've experienced more combat than 99.9% of the population and so is there a decision-making process that goes through your head before you make that decision and it's within and it's a pre-decision? made because if it is not pre-made then it will be an emotional decision and we all know how emotional it is? Decision making happens in the most stressful scenario you can imagine, making an emotional decision, so it's not going to work out well, but yeah, that decision making process is, do you know why I'm willing to kill someone? Because you know, even if you want to, oh.

Someone has the idea that I'm going to shoot him in the leg, hit him in the femoral artery as if you just killed someone, so that's the decision-making process and knowing who and why I'm going to kill, ya You know, that's all. and if it doesn't meet that criteria, then I'm not willing to go to jail. I'm not willing to take another life. And it starts with chains of loyalty, like who are the people who meet that criteria. taking the life of another human being for um excellent thank you for sharing that absolutely fine well I appreciate it.

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