Klopp vs Pep: Who is the GREATEST Manager? w/ @AdamMcKola & @theredmentv | Last Fan Standing

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, so here are this week's guests, we have Paul Matron, Adam McCola and Nini, and if you are wondering how the scoring works when Someone says something good, I play this little one. machine down here and you give that person a point that's how it works, let's get into the first round, first round, do you buy or sell this statement?

Harry Maguire should never play for England again Adam. I'll start with you because you saw him the most from We have as a male United fan what is your opinion on McGuire? Should he be near England soon? He would probably buy it if it were, he has the feeling that he is included in United, but when he says England I feel like you should suffer with me. I'll get rid of that, but seriously, I think it's a little too harsh. Look, I don't think he should be the captain of Manchester United. You shouldn't necessarily think he should start every week for Manchester United.

But one. One of the things that has been is that he has been quite good for England and when I take that into account, I think one of the big problems for him at Manchester United is the fact that he is the captain, so ultimately he feels that does not belong. He's a bit fragile in the dressing room and you've got real winners around you like Verano and Cristiano Ronaldo, but I actually think if he hadn't had the armband I think his performances would probably have been better at United and I also think Don doesn't affect his performances for England, whether it's good or bad, you've seen him play for England at Underground Southgate and he did well at the Euros, he was one of the best players so I don't think that's necessarily the case and I feel That's too harsh, do you think they need that? um, that maybe he doesn't make more mistakes than other players, but because there's this narrative around him that he can't win.

Just playing, I feel like with Maguire it all comes down to the defensive structure that he plays in, just like in England, I feel like when they use like a back three they don't leave a lot of space in front of the defense and I feel like McGuire is a lot happier and he's he feels a lot more confident playing, but in Mad United when teams counterattack against them, for example, when Maguire is in space, you know he struggles, he doesn't have that recovery pace. He doesn't have that kind of physicality in those areas and also when he actually likes to be pressured on the ball, you know he can be a little lackadaisical and can lose the ball under pressure, so I definitely feel like I don't know, I can't sit down. here and maybe you know, make excuses for Maguire.

I think he is a good player. I think he is excellent in the wide wall distribution of him. Progression. Things like that, but I feel like he has a lot. of boundaries that can also be exposed quite a bit and I feel like when you look at some of the younger lads that are coming through right now it's still a bit angry, what's more, he's not part of the England team, I'm looking at something like a guy who can do what maguire does, but i think he will do it better in the future. I just don't think McGuire will have any kind of lasting effects, you know, that I'll be around for the long haul.

To be honest, Southgate seems to choose him, Paul, because he can trust him and understands his system tomorrow. I read over the weekend that he had, he has the most interceptions, the most blocks and one of the best defensive records in Syria. however, he has not even been mentioned about the team. Would you accept Maguire Liverpool even for a reduced price? No, no, no, no, no, is it that bad? He's terrible though, dude. 80 million pounds for him, that's unfortunate and not his fault by the way, it's just another example of horrendous mismanagement at Manchester United, more than anything else, the fact that Leicester went to Liverpool paid 75 million for Van Dijk and it was okay if we pay more that means it will be better um and genuinely with grammar and grammar and all that I wouldn't be surprised um okay it's absolutely fine the idea that it should be playing on the game is a bit how I understand it. because the problem with being in the England international is that you become everyone's player and therefore you can overcome everyone's opinion of the player as if he were the united man.

The problem is that he is the man united in dealing with the idea that, like Southgate, he should take drastic measures or whatever. when it's Man United that need to solve that problem, I agree that maybe something should be lost, it should be a team's missiles in favor of someone's information, especially given that the games don't really matter at the moment , there's definitely something to that. helped rehabilitate him in some ways but it's good for England, surprisingly good for England to be honest, watching the last two major tournaments I mean it was just when I took England to be honest and it looks sad and maybe it's because he's on the back and he's got a little bit more protection around him or whatever yeah the idea that he's on par with world class center backs I think is wrong and that's not fair to him because again we have sometimes an exaggerated estimate of english footballers and since you play for england everyone thinks england should win the world cup every four years therefore you should be one of the best defenders in the world and that is not the case england no He has many, if any, very good centered asses, to be completely honest, um, but okay, okay, beggars can't be choosers, he's a big time criminal, he's good in the air, the idea that he can carry the ball, sorry that's just a Yeah, I don't agree with me and it's not true at all, that was a myth that was sold with a couple of highlight reels when United bought him, but I feel like I feel like he's decent for bring the ball to the fields.

I don't think that makes him a world-class player because of that, but I'm not going to deny that he does it occasionally. He's fine, yes, he does it occasionally, but he can't pass the ball like he can. That's what he's doing, he can't, you can't, I'm very surprised by this because I was always anticipating that you all would go, yeah, no, he's the bathroom, there's no chance he should play, mate, I don't want it . play more for Man United no, no, but I think sometimes we go too far and then we go, you should never play, I think that's like, okay, there's a reason he joined Manchester United, even though it's not worth 80 million pounds. one of the best centre-backs in the league at that time was rubbish, right, he's not, there's nothing you know as an example, alexa sanchez had a decent time and in milan and ashley young had a good time and in milan there are examples which are quite Some of the cars that have the best example of that you really know it's not the best barometer because there's load, there's a ridiculous toxic pressure that comes with the craft and it's often confused with oh, that's the pressure of being a top club, no.

It is not like this? There is a toxic pressure that they are not good enough for anyone at United to live up to United's expectations and as a result he falls under additional scrutiny, I mean he is not good enough to play for United. top. manual later but it's certainly good enough to play coach as they are now so let's go to round one if paul is nine adam is seven and nini is six so now we have round two fill in the blank blank, have outstayed their welcome at the premiere. League needy, let's start with you, who do you think has outstayed his welcome?

Is it time to take them out? Let's get a new Championship team and see what a new Premier League would be like without saying Everton or Burnley, what do you say about me personally? I think a team I'm a little bored and the side of the scene now I probably have to be blind to be honest. I feel like they have pushed their luck quite a bit in previous seasons, although this season I think that finally after all these years it will come back to give them only three wins this season, it's not ideal, they've finally invested a lot of money this time, but it seems like it's going too far. late and yeah, I just want to see.

A new team emerges playing a new style of football. You know you're watching champion clubs finding out what Fulham are doing at the moment. It would be nice to see them back playing good football and making the league entertaining. I feel like you finally know that I'm a bit tired, it's the same old system, the same old tactics: we all support clubs that usually finish in the top six and Burnley tend to be fawns at all our sizes. We just want them out because? It's difficult to play against them because you already know how Burnley play.

We would prefer to experience our team like Fulham, who will be open and easily defeated. Yeah, you have to be tactical in this league, you know what? I mean, ultimately I need to have been a very difficult team, one of the most random teams, so you literally don't even know who Bernie is going to play, but they got into them to pull things out of nowhere, but um like. I'm saying the teams that want to play open football I'm happier with that and you know, I just want to see more entertainment, to be honest Burnley have to stay in the league.

Come on, like it's a right of passage. Burnley is far away. Isn't it like someone new coming into the league, some new team, some new

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, but how are Burnley going to do that on a Tuesday? There is no more enthusiasm, so we need Burnley, we can't tell you, come on, so premier. league continuity just because of experience, we need a team like Burnley there, unless we are going to get Stoke back we can't, we need Burly or Stoke fundamentally, so I was thinking when Spurs were playing them we were playing them . I've only won three games and Spurs with one of the teams they are and I think they were second to last or last when we went there and there was absolutely no confidence from the Spurs fans that they were going to get a result there simply because It was Burnley, it was the middle of winter and it was raining and windy and for all that Burnley won, but what are you saying, Paul?

Burnley, look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend this is something like that. Bipartisan analysis here where you know you know for the sake of the English game and the stylistically blah blah blah, playing Burnley, sorry, sorry, I just hate playing badly, I do it, I do it, and Liverpool have barely managed to master it in recent years. um last season that would stick and when they were done um they were involved in that horrendous finalist movie that we couldn't win um but yeah, I don't know, there's a little bit that I might be nice to someone different in there. there is a there is a bottom that is associated with this if there is a lower decline held, they are not even completely pure, mainly even though they have been buying their course, they have tried to go to this new super tense version of burnley and in De Somehow, it doesn't work for them, no, they are the ones who were the immediate answer.

The only other answers were simply Roy Junction. um he stayed much longer and you know he retired. He received a good shipment. he's gone but he's like oh I'm back and instead of being like a wolf on Wall Street we'll let him go just let him go it's okay you hated him let him go again I'd love for him to keep going back but we've got that playing against them after the international break guaranteed guaranteed face rubs to retire and ruins their title challenge has to be has to be has to be obvious how can like I know look I don't wish you know?

I don't wish any team bad. I don't think he was ill, but I don't mind enjoying his misfortune and I would say Everton's fall would be a very interesting puzzle. I can't imagine being in the championship, they have never been relegated, if I understand correctly, it's that from then on I don't want to be relegated from the Premier League, yes, of course, but previously in the first division, yes, they have never been relegated from the first division. So there you have it, so in terms of overstaying your welcome, it's just got to be a dramatic thing, although I mean, I'd really love to see Everton go down, see Lampard go down and the look on Rory's face. when it happens, but I also have to say that when you pick your dream Premier League division with 20 teams and all my stuff, it usually has Sheffield Wednesday in there somewhere, but it also always has Everton in there because you know I don't give a damn. journey. to Goodison Park, a nice old stadium in a bit more strange way at the time, I don't mind never liking it, I don't care about everything and apart from lately we generally do well there, for me it has to be Norwich like them.

The most useless team says: What's the point? The only thing they have is Julia Smith. The whole team could stop by my living room tomorrow. I wouldn't do it. You have an idea of ​​this if you're not going to try it if you're not going to try it then why be a part of this? Is almostlike Norwich go up and that's a busy relegation place don't try it anymore why not? There should be a division in the middle somewhere, let's make a super league, well, that's not so super league for Norwich and West Brom and all the luck, because yes, let's close the league, let's not let anyone definitely not let you, so the scores. for the second round there is a tie at the top paul and adam both have 21 points but nene is not far behind with 18 it's all in this last round and this will be an exciting third round with manchester city and the semi final of the fa cup from liverpool.

The end is coming, we asked the question: who is the best coach? Is it Pep Guardiola or is it Jurgen Klopp Nene? I'll start with you. Why is Pep Guardiola? I think Pep Guardiola is one of the best coaches of all time. We will never forget him. what he did with that famous Barcelona team easily the best football team I have ever seen. You know, the guy hits new clubs. He is able to work with the best players, the best egos and each time he is consistently able to find success with these teams. he adapts to the quality of his teammates, he finds unique solutions and you know that winning never stops, you know, constantly making the right decisions at the right time, I think the boys are absolutely top class in this type of football as well one of the most difficult.

Football brands to play against, so I think the trophy will also speak for itself and you know, with Pep, he will be here for a long time, with Mancy, okay, and Paul, obviously, you will say clop, but why that? Well, no, look, I don't think it's that easy. To be completely honest, it would be easy for me to say applaud and obviously I do because I see him watching, I've been watching enough to spend time in the company of him and all that guy. of things, I think he is, I think he's the best

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on the planet, however, I think he also shows some spirit, I just think it's strange, it's like he comes from different, the different backgrounds that they've covered, they both ended. online the results are very similar, I think you're talking about the two best managers on the planet and then you get into that kind of stuff like, well, no, he's number one because he's number two because he'll never be able to do it. .

Prove it with you why I fundamentally feel that his club is not what he has achieved and how he has achieved it in the way he has surpassed the type of management game that comes from mine, starting as you know as a player for Mike and the they're bailing out by being someone who says, "you'd just step in and be careful, you can handle it" and he goes well and that starts his career as a manager. He wasn't ready for it, he never was. a long-term plan before falling into it he was good at it and then he earned his stripes and all the hardest ways possible, you know, he explodes, he's doing everything he has, he has every aspect of the football club in his hands because he has no choice and then he moves to Dortmund and he is able to convey a bit more of that, but he gets to a higher level, he gets more success and at Liverpool you know he has built a winning machine based on dragging up a bit afterwards of having dragged mines up with having dragged mines up and is competing with Pep Guardiola on all fronts in almost every measurable metric and I'm not going to sit here and do everything, oh, look at the difference in money because Liverpool spends, there is no Liverpool expense. decent money, but anyone can recognize that people don't have the financial clout of Manchester City, they just don't have it and they haven't had their cup, they didn't inherit the quality of the team that Guardiola inherited, it will be interesting to see.

What will happen in the next few years when that old god is gone when you know that Fernandinho is finally leaving? That is not a god, there will be no company, there is no fernandinho, no, silva, no, agüero, and what will happen to the city in the coming years, can they match the standards as before? Together with the players that he inherited when his police had to build that he had to do it himself, so I think that puts him above Pep Guardiola, he has earned more than Klopp, although isn't he in these? If you remember?

Can we rewind the tape from last week where we had the conversation about John O'Shea inside lots and lots of trophies with Manchester United? No, no, that's not, that's unfair, that's not the same, it's not the same, it's not the same, but I also believe. We would all agree that if they gave us the best Lionel Messi, we would probably also find it easier to win a good number of trophies and be the most dominant team in the Bundesliga and then reach the team with the most resources. In the main league you probably have a slightly higher chance of winning more silver pieces, Adam Pep, you know, regardless of all the wonderful points he just made Paul, can there really be a comparison between two given what Pep has? fact and if so, what does

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do better than pop pep?

Sorry, they both already have huge, successful careers, but what does he do better if he's a better coach? What does it do better than I think? Vice versa, the reason I think the Eden Club is the best in the world right now is because they get more out of less. I think he also did that with Borussia Dortmund. I know Paul talked about his time at Mainz and that, but he also did it at Dortmund where he was competing with Bayern Munich in a one-team league, he almost won the league there twice and then you look at what he did at Liverpool and, as Paul also said, they've spent money, look, you know the money they spend on Alison Van Dyke, that's a lot of money, but I also remember when City, I'm sorry, when Pep came into City, there was already a team that was winning trophies quite regularly, at the national level, that has not changed. but I also remember things like him spending a free world record on a bouncer.

He didn't like that he spent another free world record on a goalie. He did the same with the centre-backs at times and I know he is in a position where he can. do it, so you might as well do it, but Jurgen Klopp has never had that luxury, you know, I mean, yes, there have been the odd signing that didn't go well, but predominantly most of them went well and when you look at what he did with people like trent everyone looks at trent and if i say this now how would people like it but if you gave pep trent in the past he goes and says what the hell is this girls and buy someone the watch did something with trent, same with robertson.

I know he was pretty stingy from the start but I don't see Pet maybe doing the same or even having the will to work with those players and get what the club has got from them, so for me Jurgen Klopp likes it When you look at the team, yes, it is full of quality players, but I also think he got a lot more out of that team than he should have and he has the Champions League. I was about to say that clop

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has the champions league and pep guardio has all these riches. an abundance of talent, wealth and resources, he hasn't been able to do that and klopp has, you know what baby? ​​I have changed my mind.

I think klopp is klopp is the best feeling I still have. Stay with Pep, come with us, you know what? I think for me, ultimately, the reason I think Pep is the best is because you know it's very difficult to like managing superstar players. I think you know we look at players like Messi and think yes. Any trainer who trains you expects instant results, but you know the reality is a little different. You look at how messy Argentina performs internationally. You know, it doesn't really translate the same way. You know, we look at a lot of clubs that have had things like that. an advantage in terms of big investments from superstars and their team in the summer and that still doesn't translate into, you know, a silverware challenge at the end of the season, so I definitely think it's a very fine balance between knowing how to get The best thing about these superstars is finding the right system for them and also managing them in general throughout the club and I think you know Peps had a great history of doing that since you know you first went to Boston, I presented a case, sorry. just for four, guardiola, just throw him out, i don't think anyone has been considered because clearly under guardiola, manchester city have bought countless full backs for good money, they have put in a lot of central lives that haven't worked out for good money. and they've gone ahead and all over the field they've spent money and it hasn't worked and he's had to do it now.

Could you argue that Man City's recruitment is just rubbish and in that case then is Pep really like that? downtrodden hero who has managed to win all those trophies despite the fact that Manchester City's recruitment team are clearly absolutely terrible with their jobs what a brave underdog what a brave underdog Guardiola really is you know we're looking at this from the wrong perspective wrong perspective Still you have Dinchenko as a left-back option. Oh my god, oh my god, why does he want to hear everything? This man is very nice, it's a wonderful way to look at him, so that's it for round three this week.

Our last fan standing is Paul. magen is 36, adam was 31 and nene is 26. paul, you have bragging rights, here's a minute to say whatever you want about the vehicle game, so yeah, I just want to talk about the whole rivalry between Clop and Guardiola and I think it's fascinating. I think you've got two fantastic coaches and I don't necessarily want to offer a lot of respect for the arrival, but at the same time it's a little hard not to. I think people tend to come out against the idea when their team isn't involved at the top of the league and say, "Oh, the league must be garbage or whatever, we're living in a time where it's "It's almost unprecedented how good Manchester City and Liverpool are.

They've approached it from two completely different angles." I have managers from two almost completely different backgrounds and they are absolutely world class. There is a point where they might also be some of the best, if not the best, managers to ever manage in the country, the only thing that will stand between them and their tastes. of Ferguson and Paisley is longevity and that's the next challenge, but yes, we have two world-class coaches facing each other and we are going to see that more than ever in the race towards the end of the season, it absolutely hurts my health, um, but what an incredible journey, it could perhaps be one of the most famous season finales of all time.

That's all for the latest fans. Congratulations to Paul Machen. Let us know in the community tab and in the comments below what you think about Paul. The suggestion that we should just celebrate the fact that we have these two incredible managers in Jurgen Klopp and Pep Guardiola, let's just celebrate the fact that we have these amazing managers is that right or should we accept the rivalry between them, let us know in the comments . Then, as always, this has been the last fan standing. We'd love to have you and we'd love to see you next week.