Predator Realizes He's Going To Prison For Life

the charts the newspaper okay what time well oops again let's go over the day so when you say pretty early what does that mean to you probably about seven well seven minutes when I left to go there, I stopped in Flagstaff for a while, just I got some fuel. I think this is one of the last completely truthful statements Mark says as he recounts his trip to New Mexico, although he may think he's being sneaky. Detective Nagel knows much more about her lies than she does. He turns on and is ready to catch every lie Mark throws at him.

Did you go anywhere else while you were in Flagstaff? cat Mountain up there, yeah, that time, so you stopped in Flagstaff, got gas, and then you think you drove straight to the church in Farmington. I stopped in Farmington. I had to get some fuel. Watch how the detective suddenly starts kicking her foot since this argument. When it comes to the crime scene, she probably feels a lot of pressure with these questions trying to make sure you understand her story and also she has what she needs to confront him later about all of her deceptive behavior. You're probably pretty sure by now that he's the person you're looking for and these are really the high-stakes questions that around two in the afternoon I had gone through the church like a sign chapter and see what kind of services were and they o anything.

I think it was only Sunday and Sunday night at this point in the investigation, Detective Nagel has spent a lot of time at Sasha's church looking for any sign of what happened. to her on January 18 throughout the entire time he was there, the detective never saw any signs, not even anything similar to what Mark claims to have seen. Did you like talking to anyone while you were there? No, no, there was no one in the church and me. I didn't want to bother anyone. You like me? I don't know, is it a church similar to the one you grew up in or different?

It looked pretty similar, but it's actually not the same, so I'll just do it. I'm a little disappointed with the whole long drive and everything I didn't really see is working in the long run and getting there, yeah it's a long drive, it would be too far to drive it every weekend so me and I. I have, I talked to my friend, you wanted to go hiking on Sunday and I really wanted to do it. I work with him at the store and who is that friend. His name is carefully. Mark claims that he made plans with Kefley to go hiking.

However, the next day, according to Kepley himself, the two went to a swap meet, also known as a flea market, from what I understand, it doesn't seem like you were there for long, no, and then where did you go after that trying to Do you remember if I was

going

to go find a hike or was it that I headed back? I think I started once he called me about the hike on Sunday. I think I started to come back. He called you properly while you were there. Correct. OK. Mark Kepley called him to discuss plans, however phone records do not match Mark and Mark carefully only texted him that day and in fact the only person Mark spoke to on the phone was his brother Sam, not only did Mark and Sam call, but they also called. with each other six times for a total of almost two and a half hours, which is more than the two of them had talked on the phone in the last six months combined on the way back home.

Did you stop somewhere? I don't know. I made a phoenix. a full time cameraman would have to check it, so do I understand correctly? You no longer remember stopping. No one is fair enough to say yes. Do you remember what time you returned here in a house? pretty light, it was probably eight or nine o'clock, yeah, yeah, Mark does a lot of lip and mouth movements here known as microexpressions. One of the biggest indicators of deception and hiding something is a move called disappearing lips, which Mark demonstrates once again. The account of the trip contradicts his phone records, although he could say that he went directly home from New Mexico, the records actually show that he stopped at Sunset Crater National Park for several hours and Mark told him on the record his story about where the day of Sasha's death.

Murder Detective Nagel is noticing more and more red flags. Mark constantly lies, hesitates and supposedly has difficulty remembering information when asked about stops he made and what he was doing at specific points during his trip when a suspect has memories of extremes that mean his memory is too good or too bad, this It is seen as a red flag for detectives. It's been a little over two months since January 18th, so it doesn't make sense that Mark would have such a hard time remembering basic information about his trip, since this trip was pretty out of the ordinary for him, the trip should still stand out. more on your mind, what do you think should happen to the person who did that to Sasha?

What happens down there, but if we catch the person who killed? her, what should happen to them, well, you should probably love the law, deal with it or maybe Community 99 has a way of doing things differently in reading technique. This line of questioning is known as the punishment question and can be a good indicator of deception; individuals who give vague answers are more likely to be deceptive than those who respond with strong definitive punishments. Mark pauses for an incredibly long time after being asked what he thinks he should happen to Sasha's killer and finally settles on "I don't." I don't know that this is the exact kind of vague answer that sets off alarm bells for detectives when it comes to the question of punishment.

After a few more questions, Detective Nagel tells Mark that she will leave for just a few minutes to review his notes after letting Mark prepare for 10 minutes. Detective Nagel returns and prepares to really analyze Mark's story and find out what exactly he's lying about on the way back. What time did you come back through the door? It was dark, possibly eight or nine. It's probably later on that, I'm not sure, so if it's a reasonable period of time, then you're saying around eight or nine, like what's the last time you think you've possibly walked through that door, um, I probably could. to have been one or two, eight or nine to one or two is probably the longest period of time I can think of because it was dark what I went through, it's a big period of time there, although from 8 p.m. m. to 2 a.m. m.

It's quite different. I understand, okay, so you want to stay with that, yes ma'am, now that Detective Nagel has informed Mark that his story doesn't add up, he will likely respond with less detail than before, hence his six hour gap if Mark insists he made it home. at 8 p.m. m., but then the video shows the opposite, that will negatively affect his credibility; On the other hand, if he admits that it was 2 a.m. m. when he got home, then there is a lot of unaccounted for time between Mark leaving the church and getting home. While Mark might be trying to avoid getting caught in a lie by avoiding specific details, this actually just makes him even more suspicious, so what if I told you that the time you walked in the door that morning was 6:00 a.m.? :53 in the morning, hmm, but no?

I guess it was so late, that's a long time, yes ma'am, so how do you explain that I stopped and slept in the car on the way back? I had trouble staying awake, I tried to stop and sleep several times, but I couldn't sleep. It was cold, okay, I'm

going

back, okay, now Mark has to fight to fill in the gaps that Detective Nagel is pointing out. Mark claimed that he left at seven in the morning on January 18 and, according to the detective's records, did not come home. until almost the same time the next morning, not only is it about 10 hours after the original time Mark gave when he got home, but it's almost five hours after the revised time he gave, it's also very suspicious that there was never mentioned this supposed nap.

He took his car on the way home and it definitely seems like Mark is doing everything he can to try to cover up the lies from him. Have you been to Flagstaff more than that? No, no, except when I, possibly, when I came from Wisconsin. Duluth, I remember which route I took, okay, so after this trip to New Mexico you haven't returned to Flagstaff again. The correct brand says no as far as I know, it doesn't make sense here because how could I travel somewhere without their knowledge? This is a selective memory statement, but in this situation it just doesn't even fit the statement and it would have been better to have gone with I'm not sure or I don't believe it or some other selective memory statement that should I'm starting to really feel some anxiety about this because your thought processes are less logical and your choice of words is not good, so I know you came back to Flagstaff a couple of days later, can I? and I have a couple of different ways to confirm that, like your gay checkouts and evidence that you were in Flagstaff.

Did you return to Flagstaff for some reason a couple of days later? Maybe you went for a drive. I wanted to go. I don't remember when you were asked about going to Flagstaff again Mark hesitates for a long time before answering significant delays can be a red flag for deception some questions require reflection so it would make sense for someone to stop and think before answering, without However, it doesn't take that much thinking to remember if you recently went to a city two hours from where you live, which means Mark's hesitation is simply suspicious. Mark clearly isn't going to tell the truth about what he was really doing on January 18, so Detective Nagel changes the subject and starts questioning Mark.

Moore on his Mennonite connection with Sasha earlier when we were talking you mentioned that when you're not born in the best night church we use that word Outsider like you're some kind of outsider compared to people who are born in um Sasha was like that too her family He wasn't born in the Mennonite Church, so I'm wondering if you're willing to tell me that I noticed what you seemed like, I just saw a little bit of emotion in you when we talked about it. Is there something that happened to you in the Mennonite church that bothers you?

Not really, it's just the way of

life

and I didn't really like it and I was happy to be out of it. I'm not putting up with such a church by stating that he's not actually denying that something happened to him, but not forcefully by using a qualifying statement instead of just saying no, he suggests that there is something but he doesn't want to talk about it, okay, smart , what I do for a living is talk. I understand people and I feel like I can read people I know, I don't know you, I'm not even going to pretend that I know, but there is something there and you can, it's something you don't want to talk about. about something that happened that made you leave the church, no, no, I love searching with my parents, I decided to leave, okay, Mark uses another qualifier, but what's more interesting is his lip movements, it seems that his lip movements lips are their restless behaviors. but he's probably had some training not to show anxiety both in the friend where he grew up and in the military, so he doesn't yet have many of the most important nonverbal cues that we look for, these lip movements that keep coming back. . to the disappearing lips make it clear that he's withholding information, it's almost as if he's trying to retain whatever he really wants to say, while Mark may be acting calm, the detective knows he's hiding something before he even started.

This interview, Detective Nagel was able to review Mark's text messages and saw some troubling things about his views on Mennonites in a text conversation. His brother Jacob, a Virginia state trooper, told Mark and Sam that he had just given two Mennonites a speeding ticket. Mark and Sam are delighted to hear it. this and Mark even says that he hopes Jacob treated the Mennonites like Sam makes sure to call the Mennonite cultists, giving insight into how he and his brothers feel about the religion in another conversation between Mark and Sam Mark tells him to Sam that his surveillance of the Arizona Mennonites that morning was boring the use of the word surveillance was incredibly alarming for the authorities to include them in the fact that he may have been planning some kind of attack on the community for quite some time we have a detective speaking with Sam right now is fine in Wisconsin, okay, so I want you to know that for this main reason Sam is telling us and stuff and you're talking to me and I want to make sure you know what they're both telling us and what I What I know a little bit from what Sam said is that it sounds like something is going on here in that maybe you have hard feelings against the Mennonite church or maybe like a grudge or something, so let me clarify what you're trying to talk about.

Same thing right now, huh, so it looks like I need to get a lawyer because you're trying to accuse me of something. Well, I read you your rights at the beginning of this, yes, ma'am, and I would like that. to see it higher now would you like to speak with the lawyer yes ma'am,suddenly planned an elaborate murder six hours from his house and targeted someone he had never heard of before, at least that's what Detective Nagel thought until he talked to some Mennonites in Wisconsin and discovered that Mark's past didn't. It was as clean as it looked.

In a telephone interview with Mark's former pastor, James Luke Martin, Detective Nagel discovered that no one at Mark's former church was surprised to learn that he had now been arrested in connection with such a heinous crime, as Mark had a reputation to take revenge on others. Market was also allegedly involved in several church robberies when the church tried to punish him for his involvement, his parents intervened and decided he left the church for being too critical of Mark; However, this was not the end of Mark's criminal activities while he lived with his sister in Pennsylvania. Mark was accused of stealing money from local Mennonites shortly after everyone who accused Mark of stealing money discovered that his car was suspicious. stopped working after further investigation, these Mennonites discovered that sand had been placed in the oil pans of their cars, causing their engines to stop working, while those affected could not prove that it was Mark who put the sand there, it doesn't seem like a coincidence given his interest in mechanics and his apparent taste for revenge, Detective Nagel spoke with Jonathan Martin, the son of Mark's pastor, who provided more examples of how Mark was caught stealing.

Jonathan even said that when he was angry, Mark would hang around the Mennonite community to see what he could find. After talking to Jonathan's son, Detective Nagel learned that Mark had supposedly robbed the Martin's Family store; However, charges were never filed due to the fact that the store's security camera had its memory card stolen, so there was never any visual evidence that Mark was the one. who robbed Storm, although there may not be any evidence of Mark's involvement at the time of the robbery, Detective Nagel was able to find the security footage of that robbery on Mark's phone and it showed a man with the height and build of Mark stealing the storm in one of the photos you could see a car that looked suspiciously like Marx in the background.

In these photos Detective Nagel had what appeared to be tangible proof that these accusations against Mark were not just rumors. Finally, the detective contacted Jared Ulrich. A man who claimed to be Mark's accomplice in the past, Jared openly confessed to Detective Nagel about all the robberies he had allegedly committed with Mark and described in detail how Mark would try to frame other people in the community for his crimes. There definitely appears to be evidence that Jared may have been telling the truth, as a series of text messages were found on Mark's phone, all of which had recently been deleted in these messages.

Mark talked to Sam about how Jared never understood the true cost of getting caught. Mark then. He asks Sam to remotely wipe Jared's phone, something he also asked Sam to do with his own phone after falling under suspicion for Sasha's murder. While all of this information against Mark was damning enough, there was still a more disturbing truth to learn through many more interviews. Detective Nagel eventually contacted Andrew and Galen, leaders of a pair of brothers who were close to Mark during his time in Wisconsin. Andrew recounted a time when he had confronted Mark about stealing and during their conversation, Mark was drenched in cold and bitterness because Andrew said.

He feared for his

life

. Galen had an even more disturbing revelation for Detective Nagel when she told him about Mark's alleged inappropriate actions towards women according to Galen. Mark confessed to her that he had allegedly assaulted a young woman that his sister was babysitting when he was around her. From 10 to 13 years old, however, this claim has never been publicly proven and there is no evidence that it is true. Still, with this information it became clear that Mark always had the ability to harm others and supposedly had Mark's motive for harming Sasha many times in the past.

It was also more evident than ever that all the unfounded anger and resentment he had toward the Mennonite community had been steadily growing over the years, and as it did, Mark took more and more revenge against them, up to that point. Charges had never been brought against Mark and he felt like he could outsmart anyone, even the police, with this misplaced confidence. Mark decided to see if he could get away with the most extreme criminal murder. It seems that Mark had gone to the men's community and I that day in search of a victim and, tragically, Sasha. was in the wrong place at the wrong time Mark pulled her out of his car late at night and no one saw anything that wouldn't prevent him from being caught, unfortunately for him, while no one had previously filed any charges for her theft, the State .

Arizona was more than happy to charge Mark with Sasha's murder and put him on trial. Mark's trial began on September 24, 2021. In January 2022, the jury found Mark guilty on charges of kidnapping and first-degree murder, earning him a life sentence for his help in covering up the crimes. Mark Sam Gooch pleaded guilty and received three years of probation. Both Sam and Mark took care of Sasha Krauss and her family finally received the justice they deserve.