Ancient Cataclysms & Extinction Events #podcast #shawnryanshow #ancient #history

Randall Carlson welcome to the show good man thanks for having me Sean it's great to be here it's a pleasure I've been waiting this it's a pleasure here it's actually happening I first saw you on the old Apocalypse series with Grand hcock and that really caught my interest and then I saw you on Rogan and that took me down the whole rabbit hole, so yeah, I'm really excited to have you here, investing and documenting a catastrophic story. of the world in the evidence of advanced knowledge in previous cultures you are a geologist, architectural designer, teacher, geometer, geom mythologist, geological explorer and renegade scholar, well let me clarify a couple of points because there are always people, what the hell is a geome mythologist? a geologist now that is becoming a recognized scientific discipline and what is basically looking at

ancient

documents and

ancient

records and stories could be mythology Legends whatever to get an idea of ​​geological

events

and geological change and let's pull out some examples while We are here so you can show examples.

I was talking to Kimble before we started the show here and I mentioned that you know, the discovery of Troy, now Troy, there was the famous Trojan War that happened about 3,000 years ago and this. It is a good example of the effectiveness of geom. Mythology is that Sh Schleman, who was the archaeologist who discovered the lost city of Troy when everyone else, the establishment believed it was purely a myth, actually used clues that he got from reading Homer and the myths and stuff, He went and found the ruins of Troy and was accepted, so that was fine, maybe there is merit in looking at some of these ancient traditions and since then it has evolved into a whole. subdiscipline of geological research in the sense that many of these ancient stories can actually provide very important knowledge, clues and information about ancient geological

events

, yes, that is what geomythology is and there is a kind of counterpart to that that is called astronomical mythology because we know that Ancient people around the world were very interested in what was happening in the sky, mhm, you know, and that's why Astro refers to stories and myths about things that happen in the heaven, in heaven, in the celestial kingdom, and you already know it.

We're finding that you know there's merit in that and we can really get useful, valuable information out of it. One thing that everyone has come to is that they know ancient Egypt, they know the pyramids and lots of them. of these uh Mysteries of the world, you know Stonehenge, Easter Island, the pyramids of Macha Picchu and how all of these seem to align, you know, with the stars they align with each other and um, and I don't think I know many people who are left buying ancient egypt ancient egypt the pyramids were built with uh by lifting and lifted stone which are tons we weigh thousands and thousands of pounds with sticks yeah i mean a lot of those stones are 00200 tons even bigger than that it's almost interesting that that I even ended up in the education system to begin with and that, uh, I mean, when I was going through that, no one challenged it, no, you know, and uh, and now, today it seems like you know the complete opposite, yeah, I want I mean, people are really starting to question and the thing is you know you could see it as an anomaly and a culture at one point in

history

said, "Hey, you know what we're going to go to the quarry and move 200 tons of stones just for the fun of it." but you see that all over the world, all over the world, they are making these incredible structures with these huge stones and, you know, as a builder, sometimes I have to move heavy weights and of course we will bring in cranes. and things that presumably they didn't have back then, you know, or front-end loaders or you know, lift that hell, lift a one-ton beam, you know, do you have a how do you think it was made?

I've been asked that question many times. and I don't know the answer. You know, last year, in February, I went and interviewed with Tucker Carlson. He did not do it. He contacted me and said he wanted to interview me. He didn't know what. he wanted to talk about me being short, that's what he wanted to talk about, we get in the studio and he says how did they do that. M and I said well, to be honest, I don't know, I've been thinking about this for decades I don't know, I have some ideas about what direction to take now that I didn't even a year or two ago, however, my understanding of science about it it hasn't gotten to the point yet where I feel like it would.

I fall flat on my face if I try to explain these thoughts I've had about how such a thing could be achieved. I need to introduce you to my friend Chris Beck, but he's okay, he's a fascinating guy, so he has some ideas. He used to work for It Was a Seal and then worked for the Pentagon. He is basically a mad scientist and, quite simply, a genius. We like mad scientists. Actually, he is a brilliant mind, but he talks a lot about everything. Its frequency and vibration. See, that's exactly it. Which direction would he go?

Do you believe in zero point energy? I haven't researched it enough to say I believe in it, but I do believe that there are forms of energy that are orders of magnitude more efficient than anything we are using today. I think they were able to harness some type of energy from the earth to move them. I don't see any other way. That's exactly the direction I would go and I mean, if you put a, you know, if you just put an I don. I don't know a block or a piece of paper or whatever is on a table or on top of a speaker and I apply frequency and vibration to it, it moves on its own if you had some people guiding you where to move it, yeah that seems to be the only thing that I don't know.

I don't know how the hell you would do it, or how you would harness energy or create frequency and vibration to be able to vibrate the Earth and attract people. I mean, basically, we're talking about levitation, yeah, you know, and I just don't. I don't see any other way to do it, but it seems to be the only logical explanation. I think levitation was probably a scientific reality in ancient cultures. Yes, it's interesting to know the stories about the Arc of the Covenant, you know. It was sheathed in gold and it would have been extremely heavy, it would have been very difficult for people to pick it up and move it and I forgot that I saw some calculations of how heavy the damn thing would have been and, you know, it was carrying canes because no one, according to accounts, no one could touch them, they would fry somehow, but I always noted, interestingly, that you know the tribe was the only tribe that was allowed out of the 12 tribes to transport and move the Ark of the Covenant, do you know which tribe it was ?

I don't, the Levites, the Levites, mhm, the Levites, leev, levitation, they understood it, mhm, they understood it, and you know you've researched some of these mystery religions like Kabbalah and things that say there are hidden meanings in the words in the language um homonyms and synonyms and things you know, that's the whole basis of the Kabbalistic system that caught my attention and I thought that's an interesting coincidence, yeah, very interesting, what were some of the hypothetical steps that the surviving ancestors to survive an environmental temperature change of 20 to 30 °C and rebuild a new society. Well, I don't know of such an extreme temperature change, although we are seeing some very extreme ones, I mean, we are looking at 10 to 12°C, do you know which one should? be around 18 to 20° Fahrenheit Fahrenheit, but that's far beyond anything we've experienced in recent times, uh, I mean, coming out of the little Ice Age 150 to 200 years ago, the temperature of the planet has warmed about a degree, so we're seeing warming of 20 times that amount and some of the studies are based on ice cores, Greenland ice cores, Antarctic ice cores, other types of indirect evidence that the time span in the that this temperature change occurred has gone from a thousand years to a century then a century to a decade, then a decade to five years and now the latest, as we get to this increasingly refined temporal resolution, as in the studies of ice scores, has been reduced to between 1 and three years, so what happened?

You know, it's a mystery. Now what did the people do? Ah, that's a very interesting question to me, because you need to find a place of refuge to endure this because, at the same time, extreme temperature changes are happening, the entire surface of the planet is being reshaped. One important way, so one of the things that would be absolutely necessary is to find the places of refuge that environmentalists now have when they look at the destruction of an entire ecosystem, um like a big microcosm of that would be the eruption of Mount St. Helens. 1980, when there was about 200 square miles completely decimated and turned into a lunar landscape, well, you have biologists and ecologists and so on who have been studying how nature has reclaimed that and what usually happens is you have these pockets where some seeds or whatever the spores like mainly because the first colonizing plants that appear after a catastrophe are ferns and this is what happened: these pockets of Life recover and then from those small islands of Life of biological activity spread and at the end rate at which it has been recovering, you know about another one, it's been 40 years since that big eruption and you probably know that there are now forests encroaching on the Devastation area, give it another 50 to 100 years and it should fully recover now the The question is whether we confront each other because for me two questions are fine, one is the historical question, because now we know that these tremendous catastrophes have happened and have happened repeatedly, and then, if they happen again, for example, we know that the impacts of asteroids and comets are much more frequent. than anyone imagined a generation ago, excuse me, I'm a little crazy today, but curiously what we have seen and said in the last 25 30 years is that geologists who observe the Earth Below have seen multiple scars from these tremendous cosmic events.

Asteroid and meteorite impacts, comets and comet remains, at this time there are around 200 craters or stars that have been discovered now. An astrobin is an impact scar, but is usually buried below the surface. It is called literally translate, say, wounded star. Now most of them are the result of high-density objects such as iron asteroids. Have you ever been to the crater in Arizona near Winslow? I have not done it. Okay, add that to your list, you need to get out there and see it, this is you. You'll go out and look in this hole that's 600 tons deep, a kilometer wide, and you'll see that it's a big hole, but it was like a little piece of cosmic baby.

The debris that excavated that hole was an iron asteroid approximately 150 feet in diameter. Most of the asteroid was pulverized after the impact and its pieces are scattered for miles from the crater. In the museum you can see that there is a piece of the Iron is maybe so big, you know, now, when you have a high density and we're talking, you know five or six grams per cubic centimeter when you have a high density object like that that enters at hypervelocity speeds and will pass through it. the entire atmosphere and hit the ground now if you have a lower density object like let's say, have you ever heard of the Tusa event of 1908?

No, I haven't. So in 1908, a piece of comet was probably related to the comet we named. Comet Anky, which was probably part of a family of meteors called torrid, the torrid meteor shower that the Earth passes through this stream twice a year, okay, that piece was estimated to be about 150 feet in diameter, so that now, on the one hand, the hole. You have in Arizona, the large crater that you have in the Arizona desert was created almost think about it, molten iron and, roughly, because of the density and the weight of the molten iron, the tusu event, on the other hand, was more similar. almost like a snowball, but when that thing re-entered at hypervelocity speeds, it entered the atmosphere, it happened in June, according to the modern Gregorian calendar, it would have been June 30, 1908, that thing descended through the atmosphere, but uh.

It was moving so fast that the atmosphere actually didn't have time to get out of the way, its lower density meant that, like when the Department of Defense dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you know those bombs didn't fall. and they hit the ground and they explode, they flew into the atmosphere because you have a greater radius of death you have a greater radius of destruction, um whereas if it hits the ground most of that energy is absorbed by the ground and the Blast wave, if it is so, if you detonated in the atmosphere, that BL blast wave can move much further over a greater distance, which is why Tusa 1908 exploded 5 thousand high in the atmosphere with the force of approximately a 15 megaton hydrogen bomb, the bomb largest hydrogen fuel cell ever created.

Tested by the US in the 1950s it was called Bravo 20 megatons, making it almost within range of the largest hydrogen bomb the US Department of Defense has ever tested, as a result of that explosion in more than 820 square miles of ancient taga. The forest was completely destroyed and razed under the epicenter of that explosion. Approximately 200 square miles were incinerated untilbe reduced to nothing at this time. This is so we have two contrasting episodes there. Now one we have an iron asteroid hitting the Earth. We probably have a low density object. a piece of comet explodes in the atmosphere at this moment the reason we know about the Tusa event of 1908 is because of two things: the devastation, but also the accounts that this nowThis is a very remote region of Siberia northwest of the Lake Bal, a very remote region, so the Tusi tribes of Liv were reindeer herders and as far as we know, no one was killed directly by the explosion because it was right in the north.

The limits of the tree line if they had been much further away, another 50 miles north or 100 miles north, we wouldn't have known, the reason we know is because number one, even though this was very remote when this happened in 1908. There were still stories of that coming out and a scientist, a Russian scientist named Lean Kulik, got very nervous. He was studying meteoric phenomena. He found out about this and decided that he wanted to pursue this, so I think it was in 1927 or In 1928, he traveled to this small town of Vanavara. I think that's what it was called, it was the closest human habitation to this event and he found out that they confirmed that this thing did exist, but they were very superstitious about it, they didn't do it.

I want any Outsider to go there because they felt it had been a visit from the fire god ogi and they witnessed this from a distance and completely, I mean they were so shocked by what happened and then of course some of them traveled. like some, but the only thing that was probably killed at Mass were herds of reindeer, so some of the reindeer herders had gone up to look for their reindeer and of course they couldn't find any traces of them, they had simply cremated them in a BL, so this blew up. in the air, this one exploded in the air, okay, about 5 miles up, so that's a major difference between these two now, if we think about the objects, the cosmic objects that could hit the Earth, those are the two end points of a continuum. high density iron type objects and low density comet type objects and then you can have everything in between, so you're talking about about one gram per cubic cenim, which is like a chunk of ice, or 5 G per cubic cenim cubic, which is like a piece of cast iron and then in the middle you have the kritic meteorites which are about three, so if you went out next to a stream and picked up your standard piece of sedimentary rock, it will be about 3, 3 and a half grams per cubic cm, so it's right in the middle of the spectrum.

Here's what I mean when we start counting craters to try to understand how many times the Earth has been impacted. objects that actually hit the Earth now if you had an event like Tusa 1908 how many how many I'm just curious how many do you know how many times the Earth has been hit by some type of meteorite or comet, that's what I'm getting to perfection, that's exactly what I am, I'm putting it out there so here's the thing, if you have an event like Tusa in 100 years there won't be any trace of it. the trees that were blown down will have rotted and there will be new forests growing there and we wouldn't even know it, whereas the Arizona meteorite crater that occurred about 50,000 years ago, so that big hole in the ground is still there, at the right, and we can see it, we can count it well, like I said, there are about 200 craters and, as craters that have been identified on Earth, 200, about 200 now is the sense.

Now I just have another very quick question, how can you date? When an asteroid hits the Earth, there are several different ways that you know optically stimulated luminescence is probably the main way now that you can date rocks, but you know you can use relative dating, where if you know what you like, For example. If you go out if you have layers of dirt, okay, and you go out and dig a hole right now, you come back later and look at that hole and you're fine, we've cut this layer, this layer, this layer, but not this layer, so we know that it is younger than this layer, I got it, let's say we have remains of life forms there that we can date well, now we can date some of these layers or their optically stimulated luminescence, not with OSL. to try to get into a technical discussion on that, but basically it's that you have certain atomic structures that reset when exposed to light, so if you have a buried crystal, what's happening is through radio.

Through the radiocarbon process, it's decaying and producing byproducts correctly and by measuring the ratio of the precursor material and the byproducts and you know how long that transition rate is, you can now get a relative date of the younger things like um, The Otherwise, this is fine, so you dig that hole and you leave and now things start, you know, the wind blows, things blow in the hole, you know, the plant life falls into it and it starts to fill up, so You can go and maybe you can go on a date. the things that are there in the hole and if you go back and take out and take core samples and take them and the dates and the latest, the oldest dates turn out to be 50,000 years old, that will probably give you an indication of when it happened and that's how they dated the Arizona affair.

Well, the 1908 event that was witnessed, I mean, there are accounts of that, but this is what I mean by the lower density objects. about 10 times more abundant than iron objects, and then when you look at the actual craters and AST culms, most of them are in places where there is fairly dense human habitation Europe Scandinavia Canada United States Russia are increasingly found Of them Russia, what's under Antarctica we don't know yet, but there is evidence that there is a really big crater under the ice in Antarctica. What happens to the bottom of the oceans, which is almost 3/4 of the planetary surface for each one that will touch the ground? on land there will be three that will hit the ocean and now we have marine geologists who are reevaluating evidence of large scale tsunamis that have made landfall and they think that some of them are too big to have just formed underground, I mean. underwater volcanic eruptions and it can be the result of, you know, a half-kilometer or a kilometer-wide object plunging into the ocean and moving at 20 miles per second, right, but my point and this is the bottom line is that Events like Tusa that don't leave a lasting impression are much more abundant than those that dig holes in the ground, so if you only count holes in the ground or scars on the surface of the Earth itself, you won't count as much.

Enough, that's my point. We are now in a position to reevaluate how many times perhaps we have been affected in the past and here again now we turn to astronomical or geometic mythology and we have hundreds of accounts from all over the world of things. that once you have this image in your mind of what an event like that would be mhm it seems like that's what they're talking about interesting how many um are you? Know? Do you have to know how many documented cases there are? Maybe in the past, I don't know, 200 years of impact type events, yes, well, the biggest one, of course, was in 1908, okay, but now there is also evidence of a similar event that occurred in Brazil in the 1930s, actually yes, there is also evidence that there could have been a similar type of event, maybe even larger in New Zealand, what is the evidence?

Well, the evidence and the first thing that happened at the Brazil event was um uh, who was it? I think it was some Catholic priests who went there to, you know. to try to convert the natives and they started hearing these stories and then later some scientists went in there and found what looked like they had actually been three hits of like three objects that came together and individually, each one was smaller than the 1908 event, but taken together, the total energy released may have been on that scale wow um and I mean, there's a lot of accumulated evidence, there's a researcher, a geom mythologist named Bruce Mass, who's done incredible work on the study and it's I came to the conclusion that these events have been much more frequent than anyone had imagined, 20 or 30 years ago, wow, you know, yeah, I have it all documented here, so when you know, I've been doing this for a long time. time and I've spent almost every hour of my free time for 40 years collecting this stuff, it's interesting, it's interesting and I visited almost every crater in the United States, a couple of them in Canada, but there's a lot more, you know?

In fact, in fact, there is a chain of them throughout the Midwest, I think it's about the 34th parallel. I think there are eight of them and it could have been a multiple impact event. This would have been a long time ago before humans, but go figure. Do you remember July 1994? Do you remember Shoemaker? Think about when there was a multiple impact on Jupiter. I think it was the second week of July 1989, I mean 1994, so at that time it was the most observed astronomical event by Astron. in

history

and 15 months earlier, in March of '93, astronomer David Levy and astronomer Carolyn Shoemaker Jean White, a shoemaker, who was famous because he trained NASA astronauts and stuff when they went to the Moon, was a geologist and so.

David Levy and Carolyn Shaker, who was Jean Shaker's wife, discovered that they were looking at Jupiter and they saw a comet that looked like it had just orbited Jupiter and was appearing behind Jupiter when they discovered it, so it was like the discovery of Suddenly, something new appeared, you know, coming from behind Jupiter. They began to observe it and over the next few days and weeks they could see that the thing had broken into pieces and then what had been a single core became 21 new separate cores. individual nuclei and the reason it happened is because, first of all, comets are not really united in a cohesive and solid way, the nucleus can fragment quite easily, right.

Jupiter has this intense gravity field and there's a principle called the RO limit where an object gets too close. For uh, a larger body like Earth or Jupiter or whatever, if it passes within that Ro limit, the gravity is so strong that it would overcome the union of the object and fragment it, literally, Jupiter's gravity tore this comet nucleus apart, so the astronomers began tracking and could see these pieces spreading out into space. They called it the string of pearls. It took about three months of observations and within those three months they were able to recreate as much of the elliptical orbit as they could. determine because of its speed, now they had the speed of these pieces and they had the geometry of the orbit, so they quickly passed it and everything went well in July of the next year, July of '94, it will cross it. recross Jupiter's orbit, but here was the interesting thing, when you recross Jupiter's orbit, guess which Jupiter is there, so they knew there was going to be an impact and they predicted it a year in advance, so I think it was the second week of July 1994 21 pieces crashed into Jupiter, any one of those pieces if it had hit the Earth would have caused a global catastrophe and probably disconnected our civilization.

Wow, it wouldn't have been an

extinction

level event, um, but yeah. They've been enough to basically take us back to the Stone Age, and there were 20 of those pieces and up until that point no one had expected them to witness something like that, so it was an important milestone in thinking about catastrophism. and the probabilities or possibilities of such a thing happening on Earth