Largo Aliento | ¿Por qué a corrupción sigue?

santiago grandson welcome long breath thank you very much for the invitation to your program santiago roberto gil zuart was former secretary of the interior and official today of the PAN government of Tamaulipas who accuses money laundering through ghost companies what is true about all this let's see is The accusation is false, the accusation is ridiculous. The companies that have hired me since I am not a public servant are companies that actually pay taxes and that also govern Quintana Roo and decree, although they are not Morena governments but rather PAN governments, they even hire them. So the ridicule behind that is a more political problem and there is a personal problem that is ultimately what explains this broadside against me by Roberto Gil Zuart and Cabeza de Vaca and it has to do with a central Tamaulipas issue and it has What to do with the loss of power and states by the Calderonist group in these 2022 elections, well, let's go in parts, it even gives us a very extensive package to start with and what are your companies and what do you do, what jobs do you do, who is it good for?

I have been working since after I stopped being a public servant, I already had an enormous advantage, unlike some public positions where I cannot, and more resources than those that correspond to your role, for example, my husband is like this, he can no longer receive more not even from charitable activities or academic activities of any remuneration. I had that possibility of being a public servant but well I could receive money via companies that hired me to give training courses universities the unam hired me 15 years ago the university panamericana also the professibility also the resources from extra performance royalties the book without philias nor phobias was quite successful and that allowed me to be able to have let's say an income for that part and well with all that I made power by making my assets I did what What I did was get a loan from Fovissste and a small house that I have rented in Querétaro after obtaining mortgage loans, then a loan for an apartment and that apartment that I also rent from the bank until it is not with HSBC, we got involved with HSBC and finally between me wife and I bought and took out a mortgage loan with Banco Azteca, which by the way does give mortgage loans, let's say it's not theirs and they also sell houses like they sell blenders and refrigerators and television but you're not a public official, you still feel better about this in the advisory part and the academic part resources because I have to make a living in the public service is something that I am passionate about that I really like but obviously not when I leave the public service also any let's say financial education always tells you that you must have more than one income well To be able to survive, especially if you lose, there is one main thing and it is within the freedom of many of us to have more sources of income than just one.

Are you anxious about what is the personal problem with your art? Well, the issue is that my wife was once a wife. from Roberto Gil Zuart and that has bothered him permanently that is a good point of pain in the relationship between you and the central political problem political problem Roberto G Swartz this is now part of the PAN government of Tamaulipas correct what are they doing there well he In reality, he is the most important legal advisor to the government of Tamaulipas and is a kind of manager. He is the one who leads companies to be hired by the government and carries out projects, for example, wind energy in which this transformation process that Tamaulipas had were promoted by the two of them but with a negative side, the positive side is clean energy.

I think we are all in favor of clean energy. I wouldn't find anyone who would say no. However, the issue is where they are set up, especially in Tamaulipas. which is a space that geographically works to be able to have the energy against the energy of the air where it is set up in the ranches, for example in ranches of leading names in all the marine areas. Well, there is a senator from pan who told me that they had an event, a plenary session of the national action party in that place and it took them half an hour to get from the foot of the road to the center of the ranch where they were in line with the foot not making sexual contact and this then that is a very very large property half an hour by car so minus one of the diameters to reach the house that is there, that is, the governor plants himself with public money a wind farm for the development of a wind energy scheme and ends up taking Dutch and Spanish companies to operate on his ranches.

They lend the names of their collaborators, their friends, and that's just a pill, but if you're stating that with public money, feasibility wind farms were planted there and energy is generated by whoever charges them, let's see, they end up selling it themselves if the government pays them. put up the wind farm and they also buy them if at first they sold them at spent prices and now you see that is why they were so opposed to the electrical reform, it was not, I insist, it is not a clean energy issue, what they did not want is for it to be the Chief, the space that I had to ultimately buy from them, that is why there is this whole fight over the degraded and the self-generated, it was so important for them to be able to maintain a market where they could freely offer to individuals the issue of electrical energy.

Let us remember that in this The country gradually lost importance in terms of the market and today it currently has 58 percent of the national market. Before we go to the broad national panorama, let me ask you about this ranch house with many hectares of the cow-head governor when since when is it his since before he was governor or is it since he has been governor there is a process because it is an interesting process and you have francisco Cabeza de Vaca 1986 he is arrested in the United States with three other people for theft of weapons while in Texas there is even a photograph with your synalectical file because it is something that has been made public theft of weapons theft but how many weapons were stolen from me inside a vehicle for a couple of years that were there four friends took the weapons but the issue is 98 from 98 to 2000 the three people who had accompanied him in that robbery all die from intentional homicide all are shot in Tamaulipas precisely in that period where he began his political career in 2000 he became a federal deputy in 2003 he became municipal president there is also data that in a His event at the baseball park in Reynosa ended up distributing propaganda and groceries, etc., and among the groceries came social photographs.

Carmen was at that time the leader of the Gulf Cartel, as if saying these groceries were about the hands and hands and about the Gulf Cartel, something Very important is precisely in Tamaulipas and particularly in Reynosa where the Zetas acquire their own strength and separate from the Gulf Cartel and end up being first in five states and then comes this process that we all call the war, which has been one of the most violent stages. of history, the war against drug trafficking in Calderón exactly and that meant, for example, the increase in missing people in Coahuila and the increase, for example, in missing people and deaths in Ciudad Juárez among other places in the republic, but what you are speculating is very serious, it is that this man who claims to be a PAN member was in the war against the drug traffickers on the side of the drug traffickers, let's see at some point they even take Calderón to be a candidate for governor and Calderón does not accept it or there is the information he does not accept, it will cross the hinge and end up clear at that time he was director of the reality of a company and its in-laws towards a family with money and resources that had a company that sold a lot of money and from there it begins to generate the income that today allows that family to have 28 properties between Mexico and the United States in mission texas in mcallen in dallas of course the data we have about this ranch in reynosa in socio the sea and the oceans provide a real estate empire of 29 properties including a ranch of the dimensions that you indicate exactly that this is what it is and it is He acquires it over time, but if you look at his income as a public servant, in reality it does not cover the entire amount of resources and above all the generation of other types of companies, a close relative of yours one day exchanges 500 thousand dollars another day these are data from the United States 600 thousand dollars another day another day 3,150 thousand dollars so in four deliveries there were more than a million dollars in cash that had circulated in that is Francisco Javier Cabeza de Vaca and what does this this character generate something In political terms, it seems very serious to me that the federal alliance is and if the federalist alliance is a mechanism to break the country to break the conago and in fact they manage to break it for a few months with the council of governors of the country the national council is the national manteca council to governors and in order to have benefits they wanted budgetary resources from the secretary of the treasury and of course they wanted to oppose the reforms of president lópez Obrador who from there begin to generate a greater empire to seek the presidency of The republic wants to be president of the republic, he wanted to be president of the republic.

I think that's why one month the hitman grandson killed his absurd presidential aspirations, in my opinion, it was me, but precisely because of the complaints before the prosecutor's office and because of what It happened later but in terms of let's say partisan politics, the PANism that me with Calderón and it is interesting to even see Calderón's own painting that is in the national palace. There is a painting that reflects it. It is interesting how it goes. There are some little ants climbing up their lectern with bread balls on the head of course he destroyed punk I don't think that is a very interesting symbol sorry who painted in you can see a fantastic extraordinary painter of Ecuadorian origin based in Querétaro called Santiago Carbonell and Calderón commissioned it there and that This is what he painted, he entered, he put it subliminal, yes there is also a burned out light bulb and there is a field with wind energy and when Calderón uncovered the beautiful painting, we are going to put it on the screen in this one and it has, for example, there is an open back door of course.

Calderón entered through the back door so it is a very interesting symbol and it is not a very interesting symbol and secondly something that seems more fantastic to me is clear that they wanted to do apart from the division of bread during the Peñanietismo the bread only There is an option to play as a companion rather to the bread that is divided and the calderón's bread begins to be made. They become the rebel PAN members and the rebel senators are in their plan. They begin to look for governorships. They were winning governorships. They win Quintana Roo, Querétaro, Baja California. sur Aguascalientes Tamaulipas Durango and strengthen a political group in 2016, their life was evidently seeking the presidency in 2018, they were not given the search, so their goal was 24 2024 and what happens if they want to have Quintana Roo, they are betrayed, in fact, sometimes Vaca is the one leaks the videos of Francisco from a private secretary Francisco Domínguez receiving money including from Senator Lavalle currently imprisoned who was part of this group that is betrayed by this group Lavalle could come out with a reparation agreement but he does not know why it would imply accepting his guilt and for so much denouncing of another generation will attempt a synthesis because this is an enormous detective novel that is complex and the size of the country, this is the Calderonistas, this one is preparing to reach 2024 with a presidential option and it has a connection with organized crime in the case of Tamaulipas and in the case of Tamaulipas and now that they lost it, they lost it, Aguascalientes, they achieved another political group of the same bread, Durango, they ended up ceding it to the PRI, Baja California Sur, they lost Quintana Roo, Querétaro, they separated from this group and then Tamaulipas remained, which was their last stronghold.

The triumph of Américo Villarreal is from Morena from Morena, it is the loss of the possibility of this group to seek the presidency in 2024, cyclical directly with you, that I denounce Cabeza de Vaca before the Attorney General's Office of the Republic that it was not June 2019 and two were presented. complaints, a prosecutor's office found sufficient elements to request the declaration of proceeding. It is the director of the financial intelligence unit that we found this type of economic flows. The companies dig Cabeza de Vaca are companies, one links another restaurant, a construction company and we begin to see is the acquisition. of luxury vehicles this matter allegedly related to a type of prosecutor two many irregular things that evidently lead us to present the complaints the prosecutor's office finds sufficient merit to present the statement and cites in the declaration of presence before the chamber deputies the investigating section in that moment Pablo Gómez, the non-holder of the UIP in the instructing section, summons the prosecutor and me to give our testimony and we give what we each knew in their area of ​​competence.

After you stop being a public official, we will talk about that in another block and this and then comes the siege and the accusations against you through your art I am understanding how well if you use once I like the public servant and they file an anonymous complaint with the attorney general of the republic and thenIt was found out that it had been Roberto Gil Zuart and he leaked it to a national circulation newspaper Reforma and from there a series of attacks have come but now you say that it is his art and head of a cow they are desperate because they lost this election in Tamaulipas and in October a new governor rises, this morena Américo Villarreal.

They already challenged the election. They have the possibility of stopping Américo Villarreal's rise to the governorship. Let's see legally, no, and basically, politically, they have elements. They have, let's say, an employee of theirs in the upper court room. electoral but that but there are seven votes with one is not enough but they would also have to pressure the magistrates of the state electoral court at this time the challenge is in the local oral court that says the challenge and the Tamaulipas electoral institute said that the The elections are constitutional, legal, I already said the result is more than six percentage points ahead, if they could do, they present, we give up appeals of disagreement, they propose the annulment of the election, but what is it that they are invoking three things: 1 that the servants of the nation were representatives, delay In the polls, first, it is not prohibited anyone can take part, being a poll representative, of course, being a Mexican citizen we have to be the director and also being able to be a representative of a party in a poll, so take note, you will not be able to manipulate the election.

There are electoral observers, the citizens, the neighbors are the ones who take what you don't see merit in and there is no future for this obstruction of Américo Villarreal's rise to the governorship. Now I ask you, there is no possibility that Américo Villarreal will say a clean slate, gentlemen, come. They drink coffee in the government house we make a silk pact between pan and morena and everything clean I ask you because this is the typical treatment that the new governors of morena are having with the old governors of pan or the pri and next weight difference from others install it from health oaxaca where the governors and I don't know what is happening once the former and durango where the governors are already in the delivery-reception the law establishes it or not yet in tamaulipas not a position has been that they are not going to accept anything and that since the law allows them to start delivery-reception a month before, they are not going to do anything until the beginning of September.

Now I ask you, what do you want, as a legal person, what are you, what is this, what do you want? Let's see what the new governor does, let's see. I will say two things that I know about Americo Villarreal and I think that if a person has suffered at the head of a cow, it is precisely him and his surroundings that his prosecutor sought arrest warrants against the municipal presidents. of Morena against the relatives of Américo Villarreal against let's say he messed with his family with his close environment and I think that the population of Tamaulipas voted for a change and also voted for justice, which was the state that had the greatest participation in the six and this is important what happens when people go out to vote the opposition the opposition wins when they use they are going to vote outside the standard and what did that mean that the population went to vote despite the mobilizations and despite the presence of organized crime, they accuse organized crime of participating in favor of Américo Villarreal, but in reality, since 2016, people went to vote aware that they were voting for the possibility of justice and that happened in Tamaulipas, but it was very obvious, a lot was detected as You say it was the state with the highest proportion of Santiago Nieto voting since you are in a long breath I do not want to waste the opportunity for us to talk precisely about the state of justice throughout the country in 2018 when a majority voted for Morena we wanted precisely a change in the state of the country's justice and we want to ask you about it but I ask that it be after a pause explain that there is not a case against Peña Nieto I believe that he has lacked will there are two elements one is political will but asking a design institutions a instruction from the presidency of the republic, that is, from López Obrador, I don't know whether the waters are moving or it is a lack of will on the part of the institutions.

It is a lack of will on the part of the institutions, but I also think that the president has been clear about what he said in the sense of that he does not want to generate anything against the former presidents Santiago Nieto two words for you to explain to us gertz manero we think differently you and he think differently this one you are way is the attorney general of the republic we have been four years in which we have learned amazing things about Our prosecutor of the republic has a very large fortune that has not been explained.

I am not saying that it is not explainable, but it has not been explained. He has managed the prosecutor's office with a private force to resolve family vendettas and he does not put anyone in jail if they are not a woman. and her in-laws explains better. I believe that we have two different ways of seeing criminal law, human rights, women's rights, life, constitutional law, we are two, two incompatible ways of thinking. I believe that the accusatory criminal procedural system is designed to bring down impunity and Mexico unfortunately continues to be a country where impunity ends 98 in the traditional positive system we had data from the PGR itself at that time 98 percent impunity because we only reached 2 percent of sentences jonas oliver me but sometimes justice permeates in a general state of impunity of impunity exactly and why there is no why there is impunity let's say because there is corruption because we have femicides why because we have human trafficking because there is illicit trafficking immigrants because drug trafficking crimes against health increase rape child pornography has increased, what is this obviously due to impunity?

If those responsible are not brought to justice, then we are not going to send social messages and it has to do with the way we understand the administration of justice in Mexico. when we have a very serious mistake and that mistake is to start pursuing crime by crime when what has to be analyzed are criminal phenomena because if not but we are not going to finish but to give a very chilango example but if someone at 8 in the morning Your wallet is stolen in the Balderas subway, there is no need to look for that pickpocket. If this week 50 people's wallets are stolen in the Balderas subway between 7 and 9, we know that we have a criminal phenomenon, which is what we have to do, no.

It is not necessarily a gang but it is a whole state of percy visibility is exactly what your campaign would need if video cameras and patrols would be needed that is to say it would even need to have older men to be able to move a greater number of people and that there is not that level of overcrowding and I think let's say that, I'll give you an example, I insist, you can create the whole phenomenon of houses, how are we going? We know that in Tenancingo, Tlaxcala, the families of traffickers put domes in their houses for each woman who has treated the domes.

But if they go, they are like the record, like boasting about the women they have treated and who end up sending Chicago to New York. They propose to be popular. They are bricks. They are simple things, but they are a symbol of a dayless day and they are visible to all the cracks. People have been treated by that family and there is a cultural phenomenon, children thinking that they are going to become fathers of big lions, so what has to be done is to attack the criminal phenomenon, the Tlaxcala attorney general's office is not going to do it, I think no, no.

I think that is saying that a federal ministerial federal police deployment is required, an operation that allows us to stop what you are telling us is that you have a different point of view, which is this, let's go for the specific crime, a crime by crime of the dame virus, where are they? The crimes that were solved, that is, this one, recently, some conversations were leaked in which he is giving advice to the father of an alleged criminal who is Lozoya, that is, he is the advisor of the Lozoya family but that Mr. its evils to society we also have to read there it is terrible let's say the prosecutor's function has to be put in place by its own nature there is a function and an impartial function per se which is the judge the judge the judge the judge but the prosecutor by nature He has to take the side of the complainant.

He has to investigate the complainant. The complainant may not be right, but under no circumstances can he take the side of the accused, and what we saw in those recordings is that he was giving instructions, recommendations, now that is incompatible with The function seems to be that in Mexico we are afraid of the bad guys, we don't have to speak very clearly. What we are seeing is an attorney general of the republic giving advice so that justice is not served and so that there is better treatment Mr. Losoya's procedural process, which also seemed irregular to me from the start since Mr.

I am arrived in Mexico, my point was very clear. It was due to the fact that he was charged with organized crime as a criminal association, and instead the truth was not seen as a criterion of opportunity. Because Nuevo Dios there is no additional element or proof that would allow his statements to be accredited and also the national code for criminal segments allows you a criterion. Explain to me that there is no case against Peña Nieto. I believe that he has lacked will. There are two elements, one is political will, but wondering about a design of the institutions, an instruction from the presidency of the republic, that is, from lópez Obrador, I don't know, does this bother me or is it a lack of will on the part of the institutions?

It is a lack of will on the part of the institutions, but I also think that President López Obrador has been clear. worker in the sense that he does not want to generate anything against the former presidents but even a consultation is the consultation for me although it will not reach the majority established by the constitution in Mexico we do not have a culture of popular consultations I hope that this will gradually advance because it is also a direct democracy mechanism but I believe that with the elements that were there and with that vote it was enough for the institutions to begin to carry out the analysis and you believe that the institutions do have the instruments to do justice, it is what they do not have the will to do.

I believe that the instruments exist in their visuals the lack of will that they are bought I believe that there was a process in some indolent people not the institutions there was a process throughout the Peñanietismo of capture of the institutions even during the Calderonism they also sought to make them two ministers judges where the control judges of Mexico City were placed, many of them were appointed to avoid any type of complication for the political class, an issue of political violence against women. I remember that at one time the senators of all the parties in the peñanietismo asked me to go talk to castillejos to tell him what the problem was that we had in several states of the republic with the complaints that I have fepade I went and explained to him castillejos' answer was no because I am not going to allow verbatim that A crazy magistrate like the daughter of Minister Sánchez Cordero acts against the Mexican political class and that is why there was no crime of political gender violence until the year 2020.

The world of our corruption is so vast, as I said, it is more, it is more. Territory, corruption, justice, not justice, is the exception, that's why I'm going to return to the specific topic of Hertz, so as not to lose us, what do you think of this imprisonment of his sister-in-law's daughter from elements to be able to do so because there were sufficient elements to prove that the woman and the daughter had taken care of the brother, a Mr. Gates, he even spent a month in the ABC hospital already under the custody of Bègles Manero and therefore that is where he dies if the Brother, if not, he had neither head nor tail, it would not be that accusation or technique and as the supreme court of justice said, now I ask you, I don't know, but if we go to 11 0 in the end or if at 0 11 yes, impressive 11 judges voted that there was no this merit to what Mr.

Hertz Manero said and to what consequently and subjecting this woman to prison for 3,158 days only that case to meditate and that Mr. Hersman was no longer the attorney general of the republic that there is not only the two tapes where we heard him talking to the father of a person accused of diverting funds of at least 10 million dollars, which I think is naive to think that it was only 10 million dollars but that alone was enough also for Mr. Hersman Ero to be asked to leave the press more than half a year ago it has been strange in the press not in a country so politically polarized the press has taken a joint position against Gertz Manero and has asked for his resignation what The hell it happens, the only person who can ask him to resign is the president of the country, because the president is not being asked for the power to resign, but that has to be it, but because we say that the probable population is the former senate, then if the The president can remove him for serious reasons that are established by the constitution itself and one may be the systematic relationship of fundamental rights, for example in the case of his in-laws, but that also has to be objected by the senate, it can be objected by the senate and this and here a simple majority implies the senate at this moment that has an internal conflict not only between political groups but also within the political groups themselves because we do not know what will happen what would happen with this mind thereand three of the other question is impeachment of course but for that it required that the chamber of deputies in the instructional section of the corresponding procedure and then pass it on to the senate of the republic I believe that I believe that what is there is what we have to do It is a citizen observatory that is very aware of what things: First, the criminal prosecution plan is not being followed and it is not even a criminal prosecution plan, but let's say it is robust enough to address the problems of country 2 that the career civil service with ministerial career civil service is practically dead there are no incentives there are no promotions there are no competitions there is very little possibility for public mentors to move up what interest the fragmentation of investigations we have fragmented investigations because each area of ​​the prosecution has its own own on-site control, this is institutional and they have their own information control and that always generates a problem for us of not being able to address, I insist on the criminal phenomenon and 4 and I believe that paradigmatic cases of fraud are required.

If this is the case, it is a case of The whole society is asking you to be a paradigmatic case, if we cannot have systematic justice, at least start with paradigmatic cases that give us hope and light on where we are going. Other work, we have so much to talk to you, Santiago, I ask you two other words whose July scherer good mixed feelings with Julio I worked on many things we were on many issues with the president together we exchanged information in he called the judicialization cabinets which was a very good idea to be able to integrate all the voices in something that the Americans call taskforce that is what Julio Scherer is accused of is that he created a very personal network around the national palace of influence of his people, one of them is first way and this and that he waged war on those who were outside that network to complete his network and we still haven't entered anything illicit, they are wars of power, let's not be distracted by the illicit because it doesn't give us the 15 minutes we have left. of the program but what we citizens do see is that we vote for a change in a Mexico where a clear fight for justice and against corruption will begin, I think no one imagined that in about four years the country It was going to become a paradise of laws.

We were not going to make Sweden in four years. We do not see that clear path towards a transformation. I want to ask you in our next and last block. This is the state of that war to be a just country. It is more than What I personalize at the beginning of the six-year term, those of us who were outside the government but attentive to what the government is, saw three musketeers' against corruption Santiago Nieto July 7 and Hertz Manero, what the hell happened, I'll ask you again when I return pause, the version published in Santiago is that President López Obrador said goodbye to the financial intelligence unit because you invited detractors of his government to your wedding, that's how it is and the message that the wedding was ostentatious and I understood that it will be important not generate a greater problem for the president to be loyal and I presented my resignation I thought that the most important thing was the project López Obrador promised a Mexico without corruption and there was for this purpose at the beginning of the six-year term three musketeers 3 musketeers against corruption Santiago Nieto Julio Scherer Gertz The way it turned out that the three musketeers work a lot with each other has been a series of duels between three swordsmen who attacked Santiago first who ended up betraying Julio Scherer and I think that is something that will later weigh on him and that is what Julio Selector claims that Judge Delgadillo's position is very clear when he pointed out that it had been a fictitious accusation regarding the operation of Julio Gets, he has personal philias and phobias created in the phobias of Julio's in-laws, myself and other people, but I think that the most important thing is that The thing is that institutionally, what can be done from now on?

I think that the local prosecutor's offices can be the mechanism to start generating cases to combat corruption because the Tamaulipas prosecutor's office, when the transition comes, will be important for this. I think that Hidalgo taxation can also be a good mechanism to be able to put pressure on and combat corruption, especially at the state level and even in Quintana Roo and Oaxaca, no reason, I don't have the slightest doubt, sorry to tell you about Santiago, but what you are asking me about I'm going to tell you the image it gives me is a big hole, it's called the Attorney General's Office.

What they are advising is that the little boats that the Prosecutor's Office has inside get off at night without the big boat noticing and try to do something, hey. No, as a citizen, sorry, my French pisses me off a lot when something like this doesn't know why defending a prosecutor who isn't working has to make the rest of the country tiptoe around right now when I'm asking you, let's look at the northeast, I'm sure there are others. People in the press shrink when they get that because I don't see, I don't defend the prosecutor. I think that if a change in the prosecutor's office is urgent, I also already knew, we saw what the historical things are, however, he is not guilty of anything and nothing more.

The contempt of the prosecution disqualifies her from having a way. The adversarial system allows matters to be resolved not only through an oral trial. That sign does not require a conviction. You can have an abbreviated procedure. It could be because what seeks to make reparation for the damage to the victim. You can having a conditional suspension of the process, there may be an agreement in Mexico depending on the type of crime, but for example, cases of corruption, if the entire society is clear or if this is what we are saying and we are saying it out loud, many of us are saying Enough is enough, we don't care about the relationship of the attorney general with the president, with his wife, the president with his cousin, because we don't care, we are the victims.

If the issue is that we have 95 or 96 percent impunity with the adversarial system, the projections will be for that at this time we were in 88 and at the beginning of the six-year term there was the will and then things got tangled because the attorney general began to fight against the legal advisor that is what happened and one I do not doubt that If the president's will has been applied, of course, he senses that the republic has the will to combat corruption today, not only at the beginning, but it is also part of his mandate. It was undone, there is a fragmentation in the There were important departures there, you mentioned the picnic area this Julio Scherer too, but I think that beyond the people, the issue is that the institutions work, if the unit has to continue working, the sector and the public service have to continue working, they are working, I think that function. public is thus also much more concentrated other types of powers that the previous administration did not have with 98 percent of the external unit if you tell me a town reaches two houses the electricity reaches a thousand no but if the electricity arrives then if the electricity arrives light but it reaches two houses like this we are currently and yes we are if we need pride in quarrel two we need to create the metaphor of number of subscribers in quarrel if we need to modify many things but that is why the attorney general's office of the republic has to stay to resolve the big ones cases, that is, it cannot absorb all the capacity to combat criminal excess because for that you also have the 32 federal entities and there are many crimes that are, above all, those that most injure the citizen that would fall under common law.

We are talking about theft, we are talking about crimes. of a sexual nature, that is, for you, for example, not all states have it, but the federation does have it. That is where you must have a very strong area in terms of combat, for example, for money laundering and financing of terrorism, which fortunately in We don't have Mexico, but we don't have corruption issues at the federal level. I think that now I see prosecutor Mijangos doing her job. I see prosecutor Ortiz Pinetti looking at her issues. If the national anti-corruption system is something that we have to rethink from the outset, the UIF, the Sat. of the tri we must be part of because if we do not have the fiscal and financial information it is useless to have the asset information because we do not really know what is happening with a person with a public servant with a public servant it is required to have records of final beneficiaries it is something that we have not managed to generate in Mexico that England is making progress in this we need greater control of politically exposed people it is something that in a financial system we have advanced but not in our systems the universities of economic patrimonial intelligence the states have 30 signed in which 89 operate It is that it also speaks of the lack of purchase level of commitment or the lack of commitment of local governments to combat this phenomenon in a country it will be seen how this is not completely the version published Santiago is that President López Obrador fired you from the unit of financial intelligence because you invite yourself and detractors of your government to your wedding that's why I dedicate you to God to see I would say two things first there are people of 300 people I would say there are other members of the political class exactly it is small and also in Guatemala it is more expensive to get married in cancun mexico there were people there who remember one thing my wife is an electoral counselor and therefore she is not a person she is a person who has channels of communication with all political groups and that is how it has to be with all social groups she is an arbitrator electoral and this is a fundamental part for all Mexicans is the consolidation of strengthening in further people who are not from the core of the 4th have 9 who are not from the core of the fourth as well as 7 people from the 4th as well and of course the list read simmons the 3 points of course but it is also an issue mexico is beyond its polarization this country of course everything polarizes everything divides us but but it is something that goes further if you were surprised by the president's reaction I suppose if not you would not have risked it well the message that the ostentatious winery and I understood that it will be important not to generate a major problem for the president to be loyal I presented my resignation I thought that the most important thing was the president's project and not the personal issues is what I insisted today The issue is not the people, we do not exist July, if I am here or if Gertz is there, it is that the institutions work, they work for what they were designed for, but if the captains of the ship are distracted and confuse the personal, their personal power struggles with the struggle of the country Because of justice, all this is ruined.

I think I am describing what happened during this six-year term with the fight for justice. Having coincided, I think that the criticism is strong against all of us who were in that environment and who have come out. It is a video of The minister helps other people and I believe that in fact he must have a maturity in all the people who are exercising power so as not to deviate from the priority objectives that have to do with the fulfillment of the institutional purposes. Why do we want a and Nike to be transparent why we want a start that organizes elections and impartially why we want the national guard because it provides security to people, these institutions cannot be focused on anything other than precisely the fulfillment of their purposes the financial intelligence unit receive, analyze similar information, denounce Santiago, what a paradox, that is, you could have been governor, decree, you are not one to stay in the financial intelligence unit, where you also arrive and have enormous prestige in society and they ask you to resign because you invite some people that the president doesn't like them and let's even accept that the president doesn't like them very much that they fall on the shelves the president leaves that's why this is proportionate to me it seems like a very paradoxical story and on the other hand we have an attorney general of the republic whose details of discredit are the size of the country seems very unfortunate to me it seems to me that it is a chapter that we are going to write as part of the Mexican tragicomedy of its inability to reach justice regarding what the president actually wanted better that was giving the websites to Querétaro had contact with the let's say militant base of Chile Morena that at the time decided that I should stay in the unit I think that for me it was a good opportunity and without respect to justice we need to start changing the perspective from where we are operating, I think that my departure reflected that let's say the need to write the renewal in the teams, the same thing happened with Julio Serial with Olga Sánchez Cordero and well, very president, finally it is a presidential system that establishes our constitution and it is the decisions that the executive takes over and one knows that when it is in a presidential system in a parliamentarian it is different according to the law he can make the decision of who his functional officials are if I preferred to resign to generate some type of impairment to the 4t speech that he had to do with an austere vision although if I reiterate in reality the wedding was an absolutely normal wedding and everyone was very happy, also many friends and I think that is the central part for people in the political class the least the least and well Well at the end of the day let's say that generational 81 how to get it out how is itYour wife is very happy, they are happy and newly married, first year of marriage, the marriage is still happy, we are both all in mind, but seeing the support on all issues, she already gives me an opinion regarding mine, she is not developing her central activity that It is the protection of women's rights the fight for women's rights rights do not fall from the sky it is a product of historical struggles and she is there and achieved despite the votes against several of her fault and all men once the two votes against and again four the parity agreements in the governorships that have allowed us today to have 98 governors and a head of government for the first time elected at the national level at the same time so I always support her with her Santiago well thank you very much We hope soon in a long breath, perfect again, we have many topics that you talk about, that's right and friends, I'll wait for you next Thursday for another long-winded conversation.