VIII° Convegno dei Giovani 2019 - Interviene prof. Matteo D'Amico

Good evening everyone, I thank the organizers of this beautiful conference for inviting me and giving me the opportunity to speak on this very important topic, a very well-known topic and in a certain sense little known in its details, the most enlightening in fact. From an old very German proverb it says that God hides in the details and we will have to try to illuminate these details to understand why we are facing a colossal deception that is very dangerous for the Catholic faith and for the Catholic Church because when it comes to it it will certainly happen. will be fully officially recognized in its falsehood by the church there will be great scandals there will be great traumas in a certain sense and this already makes us understand one of the reasons why the devil Satan, as he has done many times in history, was sometimes to allow or rather more than putting with the permission of God evidently in general false apparition of course appeared as a false Christ for example Saint Francis there is a famous apparition of Christ crucified Saint Francis that was diabolical it was satanic Saint Francis understands it when he hears it said that of There is no point in mortifying himself as much as he does because he is lost and cannot save himself from his sins and that is why he understands that God can allow himself a diabolical temptation for his greater glory.

We do not know that now, perhaps we do not understand at this moment also the false appearances of Satan who can appear as an angel of light, he can appear as Jesus Christ, he can appear as Holy Mary, but we will see how, however, God, let us not allow that in these false appearances there are no signs. that allow a new Catholic of good will truly rooted in the faith to recognize deception and today we will try to explain this dimension of deception let's start with a premise let's say our entire discussion that summarizes for those who have never dedicated themselves, let's say it with attention to this topic, The general picture of the Medjugorje phenomenon is summarized very essentially in 1981, specifically on June 24, by six supposed seers of the scenes that are coming to imply the supposed word that must be placed before me when I use the word seer or appearance of what Otherwise I would have to repeat it many times, I will say apparitions or seers and it is understood that we always say supposed apparitions and supposed seers.

We could also say false apparitions and false people. On June 24, 1981 on the 6th, called seers, the Virgin appears, whom they call agosta and pagan. Croatian we are in Bosnia and Herzegovina in the Croatian part of Bosnia and Herzegovina a part predominantly of serfs a part predominantly Muslim a part of Catholic worship and Croatian language therefore a tripartite region in which we are the Croatian zone and that is why they speak in Croatian of August patients saying that lady means that ours so far has essentially madonna the phenomenon soon leaves the confines Gloria Migliorini CSC small crowds that gather on this hill I emphasize that it appears on a hill behind the myths Gorica a small town of not many souls almost five thousand souls a fairly rural village not important and in this in this crowds that gather more and more numerous of all the villagers around the seers because the reviews begin every day which is not just the first The 24th June but also on the 25th and 26th we will see that the communist authorities intervene very soon trying to divert these apparitions to suffocate them at first and after a while the pilgrimages increase and become international first from Croatia or rather from the entire Catholic area of the former Yugoslavia because formally the grunt is still Slavia after Italy which will be a country with a particular propensity also due to its geographical proximity to frequent this sanctuary from all of Europe and finally from the world today I swore by the world based in the United States Australia New Zeeland the entire world I do not think of a country that does not have the presence of centers called prayer groups linked to Medjugorje because these prayer groups have proliferated almost everywhere and there are radio stations, let us think of Radio Maria whose director, Father Livio Fanzaga, is one of the greatest defenders of the Medjugorje phenomenon.

Let us think of the theologians of important times, Hans Urs von Balthasar, a theologian named cardinal by John Paul II, protagonist of Vatican II. the methods of thought of Vatican II, who will become a fervent supporter of Medjugorie, René Laurentin, the great Mariologist, specialist in Lourdes, who wrote six volumes of documentation, still a classic for specialists in Lourdes and René Laurentin, therefore , the most famous mariologist in the world at that time who chose to defend with a drawn sword the best with many books, almost a book that they did not dedicate themselves to promoting and defending with their greatly mariologist authority and finally in Italy Vittorio Messari closely linked to Medjugorie that the moment in which the commission that we will see later was about to pronounce itself published articles in which it said be careful with what we do with ig gori because if the church condemned it there could be a schism there could be a schism of the cups to measure that in addition we were already in a state of schismatic fact to conclude the general presentation and frame the phenomenon that we will now try to dismantle a little, let's say, piece by piece and I will tell you based on what sources, above all remember that the apparitions from From that moment on they will be practically daily every day at 6pm and 40 psychics who are together or who are separated for a while then little by little there will be an evolution 3 will stop having daily apparitions only three say that they still have them daily some will begin to have them on their birthday some the first on the day of the anniversary month of visions therefore we also have a variety of evolution but at the beginning everyone had them every day today there are almost 40 thousand Marian apparitions therefore if they were real 40,000 Marian apparitions in the practice she appeared for 40 years every day for 40 years we are almost at 40 81 in

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we are done with you we are close to the fortieth year of appearances and the phenomenon has spread in this way for the reasons we will see Now I see analytically trying to penetrate into this problem but it has spread mainly due to the impressive slowness that not so much the local bishops who behaved very well and we will see how they take a very firm position now swore to me but the Roman Curia.

In summary, the Roman authorities faced with the growing problem of Medjugorje and therefore with the growth of pilgrims and fame worldwide and with the behaviors that we will later see a little more analytically of the people and the Franciscan friars who follow them in Rome. essentially he does nothing he does nothing he does nothing he does not make a declaration and in the end he will appoint a commission for the ruini commission which however once again until and for a long time work and does not reach the firm conclusion of a declaration with the greatest possible authority that does not It is the supernaturality of the visions, therefore, the real blame, let's say, for this very harmful and terrible phenomenon, which you will understand why dangerous for the life of faith of people is, on the one hand, the enormous weakness of the authorities.

Vatican authorities that do not dare to essentially condemn Remigio Gloria. because the rosaries are still there the human pilgrims are millions of people around the world a church already in a very serious crisis already in the eighties the crisis is already evident in fact the collapse is beginning which will then accelerate over time in the last decades and this church, so wounded but unable to recognize the roots of the crisis produced by the council and the liturgical reform, somehow before stopping such a successful phenomenon, it thinks twice, it is afraid of how to eliminate this movement but the second fault or if you prefer the most The appropriate term and the cause of this success is the incredible ignorance that the Catholic world has towards this phenomenon, even the world in a certain sense of tradition, even those who have always been skeptical towards Viggiù Gori, they rarely are.

It is rare to find a person who has really addressed the problem scientifically and has solid arguments to propose to people with gentleness, respect, without, let's say at the right moment, perhaps a faithful who were the Ligurians who is sincere in proposing arguments to make it clear that what is happening there is very serious. There is great ignorance and evil also takes root based on the innocence of the true reasons that tonight together we will try to understand and that explain why it is a very serious and dangerous phenomenon that must be fought with all our strength, here is the weakness . of the Roman Curia and unfortunately there is a lot of widespread ignorance at this point of the game because in a three-way game the devil through Viggiù Gori discredits the concept of apparition so much that the piece analyzes it and vulgarizes it in such an incredible way that somehow just seeing an apparition is all there is on the net, they are huge sites with all the visions archived from time immemorial or read a few messages to risk having your faith put at risk by a person who is not well rooted in faith because she is a person.

Whoever approaches Catholicism and sees these apparitions or reads messages cannot help but be surprised or cannot help but be surprised, let's say, even negatively, at how trivialized the figure of the mother of our Lord of the Blessed Virgin is, so trivialized and so upset in her. characteristics that there really can be great scandals, risk of even losing faith because the people who have it we can assume that the internal forum is judged only by God, evidently they are for the most part simple people of good faith with good will and therefore Probably We do not have real knowledge of what the disaster is that is happening through the damage, however, there is very serious damage and we must fight against this terrible deception.

With this I closed the premise that served to understand the nature of the phenomenon. , its scope and above all why it is important to understand it and know it well and spread this knowledge to all of us, to others, now let's start with the disassembly and assembly of the Mesu Morian mechanism that I will begin by pointing out. Giving some notations, let's say very quick, obviously the time is not very historical and it is important to contextualize Medjugorie in its historical geographical context and we begin by observing that in this land of Bosnia and Herzegovina, in the land of the very ancient heresy, Buco Milá, there are a very strong The Bogomil community in the surroundings of Medjugorie and the Bogomils were a Manichean sect born in Bulgaria of probably oriental origin, since many of the heresies of the first centuries of Christianity and later also of the medieval ones have their origin in the lands easternmost parts of the Byzantine Empire, former Byzantine Empire and The Igbo men are magnificent and are divided into two radically opposite principles, good but evil with, let's say, dogmatic perversions that lead to thinking of Satan as the son of God as Jesus as our lord, a kind of double filiation that causes this negative principle. the positive principle in some way refers to another in a certain sense they are equivalent I am simplifying a lot I am trying to understand that a very serious manipulation of dogma is not even Christianity it is like Catharism which is not Christianity it is a kind of sect foreign to Christianity itself place of movement melo is totally altered and in addition to the heresy of bo as we will have them a second characteristic element of medjugorie speaks from the area of ​​medjugorie of the mountain above me swore the mountain that you can bach that is to say the pagan cult that had survived until the future modern era until the 20th century it can be said so far about a particular demon of a god called in Croatian god of thunder moving cranes this god of thunder was golden on this great mountain and therefore we have the permanence of the pagan cult it is a cult frank demonicism and the strong presence of heresy is one of the reasons why Bogomil was so deeply rooted that, according to historians, traces of the ancient Bogomil culture remained in Croatian Catholicism, even in modern ones, to make the people. how history sometimes leaves very deep traces in 1340 the papacy in the process the Franciscans in this land to reconvert to Catholicism to completely eradicate the heresy the Franciscans the Dominicans were orders also used precisely to reconquer in the land we would say resignation the peoples who had passed to the heresy they also think about Provencal Catharism percent of and attention that since this year 1340 the relationship between the Franciscans and the Minor Franciscans and Miji Gori continues to be a problem and will always be a problem and we will soon understand why the Franciscans try to moderate this cult in gromo click on the mountain we can but the thing persists in 1516 let's call it the beginning of the 16th century the Ottoman Turks arrive as you know the Balkans conquered by the Turks who will arrive at the end of the 17th century to besiege DNA I forgot an important detail the main source which I used as truth at the beginning I apologize, I will say it now it is a text from Don to Anthony because you are a great specialist in facts but you live in English, a scholar 1959 as the year of birth who wrote, understand me. of gori celestial visions or religious deceptions cantagalli editions translated by

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essor andrea sandri, believer of the fraternity who translates from german to english, teaches at the catholic university ofSacred Heart an exemplary translation is a 500 page text so deep so analytical so balanced and able to cite all sources very carefully, I recommend to everyone, even a great light historical adventure, a great historical text of the highest value, so So much so, cantagalli volley, understand me ju gori and celestial visions or religious deceptions, this is the fundamental text, there are many. others the other one that I would like to point out is a text by Marco Corvaglia published by Lindau in very few cases of Turin about the Medjugorie deception where Mark Corvaglia the greatest Italian critic of Medjugorje who has delegated yescan tell his life to dismantle viggiù gori wrote a book in which he collects all his observations against young people that's why lindau marco corvaglia let's go back to history the Turks are arriving The Turks impose a very violent particular domination not certain sentences that breaks breaks a bit of those lands, provoking a wave of violence incredible that it pushed the Ottomans themselves to ask the Franciscans to return to those lands to try to calm the population.

In this case it does not seem paradoxical to us because Türkiye does not usually do it. They respected, within certain limits, the religions found in the conquered lands because they could only tax those who did not convert to Islam, so if everyone converted there would be a collapse in the sultans' tax revenues. From 1878, Bosnia became an administrative mandate of the. Austro-Hungarian Empire and in 1908 it was explicitly incorporated into the empire and this will be one of the causes of the First World War for which they also incorporated the Serbian part and came into conflict with the saint's panzer that Leo XIII had started there.

At the end of the 19th century at the beginning of the 19th century he reintroduced the ordinary secular clergy, so that from 1340 to 1878 the opposition clergy was strongly dominated by the Franciscans, who had become the dominus of this region, it was theirs in the sense that they had control of the parishes and you know that historically where the Franciscans healed the parish priests there has always been some problem for them to react is a fact I'm sorry, correct me if I'm wrong but notoriously one of the biggest problems of the Franciscan order and just when they become pathological and abandon ordinary convent life and here the control of the parish is entirely in the hands of the Franciscans Leo he resisted the authority of the pontiff he resisted the authority worse at this time in 1934 the First World War occurred and a decisive event occurred: the parish priest of Midori erected a gigantic cross, one of the I believe the largest European crosses on the top of The mountain in the mountain is proven to be the thunder demon god demon mountain that we mentioned before and this mountain changes its name and is called crisis, that is, cross mountain. so note the detail the curious fact is that since this mountain was consecrated and received this great cross the terrible meteorological phenomena that in reality were many times there were friends gori coincidentally god of thunder because at the meteorological level quite strange phenomena occurred all the ancients cease remember that before the consecration the local climate was much worse, the Second World War comes and in the Second World War things are very serious in Yugoslavia we have a million and a half dead including 700 thousand euros burned by the Ustasha of Ante Pa The leader of Velici noted in particular that there is a very tough intra-party war because groups of Chetnik monarchist communist partisans are carrying out and fighting against the scenes there are indescribable massacres the total number of Serbian civilians killed is approximately 700 thousand 200 thousand are killed in repressive actions Vermuth actions when they are approximately partisan actions and then there is also Italy that occupies part of my club ended during the war in 41 years of goals and there is a way is 600 serves the part of the internships that are given en masse grave near me young therefore 600 deaths only in the police of a small town but during the entire war from 41 to 45 the remembering phase is that in these years there is something around Miji Gori like 50 thousand deaths out of 150 thousand inhabitants there is one of the areas bloodiest for being so small in all of Yugoslavia so let's not forget that not only are there 600 Serbs murdered but the massacres continue throughout the region Medjugorie returns at the end of the 70s beginning of the 80s the screams the reality to explode Tito will die in 1980 and at the end of the 80s the Yugoslavia war broke out, favored by the German-American secret services, there is a whole story behind it but essentially from Yugoslavia to an economic and social collapse that brought down Co.ge but already at the beginning of the 80s new groups of Neuss Tasha and Neo Chetniks, the Serbs Cesta had already been born in a paramilitary organization that began to operate in this region let's fast forward let's get to 1975 I am about to close the historical phase which however you will understand later why it is very important for our entire system argumentative in 1975 the situation of submerged schism is so serious among the Franciscans and on the other hand the local Franciscans practically refuse to obey and I conclude that it is necessary for Paul VI, the then reigning pontiff, to issue a pontifical decree romanis pontifici bus in which he orders The Franciscans obey the secular clergy, that is to say obey the local bishops and despite the intervention of Rome already done in post-conciliar style, therefore in an hortatory way, probably more than say canonically binding but in reality the Franciscans, despite the intervention of Paul VI, they continue to disobey and because it is important to understand this disobedience the disability will reach the most serious canonical sanctions, we will have a crisis that, to do immediately understand the seriousness of Medjugorie in the midst of the visions, 40 non-canonically incardinated Franciscan friars were operating without having rejected the bishop's mandate and in fact with the bishop's prohibition to confess and celebrate Mass in Medjugorie and yet 40 Franciscan friars continue to exercise the priestly ministry without mandate and without canonically valid incardination, therefore, there is a behavior that done in canonist terms it is practically close to the scico, in fact already in a certain sense of schismatic and the two advances are a bit of a background element of this incredible The conflict between the local bishop and the papacy on the one hand and the Franciscans on the other another explains the inventions of Giu Gori, so the Franciscans exploit the jesters so that they become a shield and not against Rome and against the local bishop who does not recognize and in fact will formally declare with all his episcopal power that they are not phenomena supernatural there is nothing authentic in the revelations in the supposed apparitions of measure but also when the bishop declares that in reality there is nothing good mg gori the strong Franciscans now of many faithful around the world and a lot of money flow to the force to oppose any type of canonical intervention by the bishop, the Franciscans play and blasi who are p2 of two parish priests in short who handle names of gori bring in Bosnia before the apparitions already in the seventies American charismatic movement coastal charismatic mind born in the Protestant context I remind you that the charge charisma contussis is a typical form of very characteristic Protestant sectarianism these meetings where people get agitated you see them throw themselves on the ground roll they pronounce strange incomprehensible phrases they shout they cry they are separated the videos are shocking clearly there are possessions or in In any case something not beautiful and these charismatics since the sixties after the council also enter the Catholic Church is one of the greatest wounds caused by the council and ecumenism which is the charisma teese molin Pentecostalism is born Catholic while by its nature and Catholicism cannot but reject such a typically Protestant form of relationship with God and for the obvious reasons that it skips any sacramental mediation and any centrality of the Saint.

The mass and everything else is clearly Protestant, a completely different vision of faith and Catholicism of grace and, therefore, only the deleterious post-Vatican II ecumenism could allow this penetration, in fact, it becomes better a pole very strong of the charismatic Catholic and, therefore, an emotional psychological climate is understood. created in people that can easily be a prelude to the phenomena that will soon emerge, for example, glossolalia, this speaking in tongues by people inspired by God who believe that they begin to speak, sometimes pronouncing incomprehensible words that no one can understand. In 1981 a very serious event occurs, Father Zocco goes to Rome to a meeting of charismatic Franciscans and here one of his brothers tells him and verbatim certifies the problems that this father says about my glory.

Don't worry, in a month I will send you my mother, who is the Virgin. This is what a father announces at the table in Medjugorie. Don't worry, in a month I will send you the Virgin. A woman from Medjugorie arrives, pointing out a crazy woman who has never been in history. an evident announced Marian apparition is much more pronounced in this way a little a little strange a little and here we move on to dry up the third to the third of a small icon of our very essential path or reduced everything to the most useful terms to understand things but undressing the men let's say in depth the psychics the agents are six and here the first anomalies appear vika miriana maria iva ivanka sorry yankov and ivan of these six psychics two boys and four girls only one is around 10 years old while all the others are water while all the others are seventeen years old or if you say and this is interesting because in history there have been studies on the average age of the visionaries of the The Marian apparition is obviously recognized by the church and the average age of the Marian apparitions is about 11 years old and 10. 11 years old is not that advanced, so you understand that it is very different to have an average age of people around 11 years old or think about the little room thought of many other visions or have it almost 16 years old 17 is very different, there is adolescence and these people also have a very strange

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ile, they are not fervent, they are not practicing Catholics, let's say very very attached to the church, they are raised in an environment where there is television, for example, they have a television at home or where there is a nightclub, no.

Far from Medjugorie, there is also the strangest fact that when the visions begin, the visionaries had gone to the hill to smoke some cigarettes secretly from their parents after stealing their father's pack of cigarettes, so he stole the cigarettes from them and left the house. and with rock music on Tuesday they went to smoke while listening to rock music so I think it seems to me that it is not exactly the painting of Saint Bernadette or other visionaries I stole and a minute Rocco Femia do Maria is a bit contradictory there is worse Miriana According to many rumors that they were walking around a town, keep in mind that a town, a small town with few souls, therefore, everyone knows everything about everyone who went to the Sarajevo high school, here he must have learned to smoke hashish and it seems that he had started carrying this substance Even among her fellow teenagers from Medjugorie Emiliana, I remind you, she is the most famous of all the psychics. , one particular thing that must be very clear in our journey, we are in a communist regime, do not forget, Missouri is in the vault in six young men but at that moment the vault of men does not exist, there is the artificial Yugoslav born in 1919 in Versailles which infuses 8 substantially different peoples under the iron fist of Marshal Tito and the police security services Yugoslav secret which therefore lasts quite a long time, a totalitarian regime and a communist regime although different in ideology in part from those of Eastern Europe but in its own particular way, but it is still a regime and there is a very strong climate of alienation, since in all totalitarian regimes people are used to dissimulating, hiding, putting on a pro-regime face that they do not feel deeply.

There is a typical duplicity. That exists in every regime in which there is political violence or in any case the most ruthless police repression, so there is the habit of dissimulating, lying, staging a self that is not authentic if there is strong trust in the clergy, this is a detail decisive because, like the common man in communist countries, unfortunately sometimes he is right and with reason, unfortunately with in re grounds, he distrusts the bishops, especially because he considers them conspirators or, in any case, placed under the wing of the secret police dedicated to religious affairs. issues that all the agents saw was a test on the bishop to do the interviews, we are talking about things that are a little subtle.

It does not mean that the bishop is explicitly at the service of the communist political power, however, people distrust a little of the clergy, especially of the higher hierarchies and in this context at this point a lot happens what happens the first vision that I point out here in particular I am always following the crowds those who want the most profound data will surely find this beautiful book that must be promoted and made known because It is truly exemplary the first visions areThey record on magnetic tape, that is, they climb hill and hill after hill, the Franciscan friars take them, the visionaries bring them back to the sacristy and begin to interrogate them, they make them speak but they do not want to let them speak, they record what the visionaries say, these tapes, fortunately for us, have been duplicated several times the original version and then have been translated by people who know, found and published in their entirety, also translated into French in other European languages, therefore we have different versions of the tapes because Croatian is a little-known language, sometimes there are slight discrepancies in the translation, but by comparing all the versions and the substantially original text, it is possible to understand what the regents say and if we enter let's say analytically into this problem of the tapes we must understand one thing that everything is played in the first week of division because it is the only one where we have original magnetic tapes in multiple copies. and certified by many accessible translated sources but totally obscured by the great defenders of the medjugorías, that is, the measured friends know that the defects are hidden in the first week and therefore they never talk about the first week, they never talk about the text of them tapes have been completely erased and eliminated and fortunately the adversaries of Medjugorie know that in our skies is the secret of the rules of deception and that is why they value this part a lot now we value magnetic tapes so without it ger veils without reading the texts I bring you something shocking that there is in these tapes just by listening to them you will understand why all thread by thread viggiù gori they completely erase them they do not exist there are no tapes we have incredible anomalies because the psychics these tapes say that they saw the light in the photo of the hill a hill appeared that c 'he is immediately behind me, he swore to me there, a few steps away and at a certain point, that he had seen a lady immersed in the light with trembling hands, a lady of course.

Monsignor making gas in a text titled Mystical Phenomena, a study dedicated to the evaluation according to the Catholic tradition of mystical phenomena such as apparitions to visions, points out that what was already mentioned at the beginning is deduced from the managing fires that the god of the church can allows an appearance of satan disguised as Mary Jesus or do something else famous angel of light but does not allow him to appear without you you are very strong having a person who has faith allows you to say it is false it is something bad it is not at all good and here it is we have the detail of mary's trembling hands evidently mary cannot have trembling hands for any reason because we deduce it from many theological studies for example from the fact that it is very serious to present mary under the cross facing a pain that makes her disorganized mary perfectly composed under the cross so much and yet about love and so immaculate her heart has none of her immense pain no man has ever suffered with Mary her heart pierced by the sword of a pain that we fight to imagine she is the co-redeemer but she is not decomposed in no way, so much so that the most exact representation of Mary under the cross and Mary raised with her feet not thrown to the ground, one knee but in perfect composure, that is why these trembling hands all the less meaning an apparition has, the hands vibrate, They move as if the person perhaps had no control of himself, while precisely the essence of the truly religious man was the absolute composure of the hands, from a Carthusian we expect this composure that we often find composed of the body of the gestures of the look on the other hand Maria the trembling hands but there are also many other serious details of which I will briefly tell you the most impactful for the preparation of this work I said I could stop here let's finish the conference because it is enough just to say that everything is completely false the psychics They start touching her and kissing her and Maria starts laughing she starts laughing then you will see that there is a reason why we could interrupt the conference the serious person I am not saying a believer not even a serious person says okay understood can you imagine a psychic who touches the virgin mary peace and also starts laughing mary laughs laughs as if the tickles touched the ethical fans and she laughs disheveled it is clear if there are not many criticisms also measured crises consider the first visions the first week something they saw yes they saw something they saw Satan reverses light journey if they are not completely inventing everything if there is no suggestion but as one critic said hypnotic induced phenomena of the Franciscans because the The Franciscans are psychotherapists the parish priests are specialists in psychotherapy, they know the techniques very thoroughly psychological, this is a decisive detail, they are in the hands of rebellious schismatic friars with other small problems that we will see later, in addition to psychotherapists and therefore they could be forms of autosuggestion, plus the climate and charisma teese mo habit of autosuggestion but if it is a appearance and pressure of satan who takes on the features of a luminous woman because authentic pressure from mary is impossible. the seer approaches, touches her ac and the virgin bursts out laughing. i think you understand that it contradicts all catholic mystical theology and everything. and common sense tells and contradicts the drama of the moment when heaven comes down to earth to be touched and kissed laugh or let's say so be it for the saints but there is something worse than a gray dress that is completely foreign to the Marian mystical tradition Mary did not wear gray except in this vision an anomalous color, gray is not white for Mary, something blue, gold. but the gray does not appear, therefore we have another element, in addition it fluctuated floated emerges from the light then disappears the image appears and disappears appears and disappears during the same vision as if there were light this strange figure emerges then disappears then reappears. arises and this also contradicts many things Miriana in the magnetic tapes says that as soon as she sees the gospa she tastes joy, an enormous joy and this means that later but later she saw lobster when they return home all the people of course I am very sad they are already destroyed I don't want to eat anymore they feel bad their hands seem frozen and they mark the goal explains that the study of mystical theology of Catholic mystical phenomena and shows that exactly the opposite happens in authentic Marian visions that is, at first glance it is the vision of the heaven, this celestial phenomenon is so great that the person feels a sense of fear of fear of God and feels completely unworthy of being there at that moment in front of the Virgin.

For that beginning, there is fear, not joy, but afterwards there is such a great joy. which makes Saint Bernadette say after just one time that after having seen the Virgin you would like to die to immediately be there again with her, then we have the opposite, we proposed first joy, then pain and anguish while in authentic visions from Maria first a feeling of fear and then joy also Vika says another very strange thing that when you touch her gospa the fingers look like 'steel and they bounce off the coast apart from the slightly disjointed phrase because they will bounce if lagosta is also there otherwise they should not bounce but beyond this what does it mean if or meanwhile I touch lagosta but then when I touch them I meditate on the steel they bounce is not clear but it is certainly an anomaly compared to finding any other authentic Marian apparition in which the seer, a such a Saint Bernadette, she made such strange gestures, finally the third apparition arrives, the first two remain silent, total silence but the father, the psychotherapist father and with other great problems against sexum, I remind you that we will see the Franciscan friars later before the visions He eats a sin against the sixth relationship with a nun who became pregnant then abandons the religious habit and reduces to the secular state.

He married this nun with whom he had five children and continued living in a small house almost to the extent of the Franciscan people who handled the phenomenon. mystic for a long time after its occurrence yellow 76 several years before the visions they had phenomena sanctions and intervention of the bishop against sexum because there had been falls against sexum when they will be reduced to the laity declared by the Pope it will be done because not only a sacristan but contra sexum taking advantage of mystical phenomena and the religious role itself there is one taking advantage of events such as confession another linked to the religious mandate itself here the worst contra sacristan not really out of weakness but actually taking advantage of his own role I take the liberty of telling you that he could also giving the appearance in principle weakens the absolutes even in places where the priest is a character like this but nevertheless if we write the life of the priest of blurs a button in a certain sense what he did to save Lourdes we understand that something is a little in contradiction with many other aspects so there is a smell of holiness here there is a smell of big big problems and the first words from the coast but notice that the words come because the priest says but anyway ask him something make him tell you what he wants because here Then the visionaries speak, they ask him why you are here and Lagosta responds because there are many faithful here and we have to be together.

The coast's response, then heaven got upset because there are many faithful, nothing more, listen, listen to this phrase, the bank asks him for her mother who died and her grandmother died a short time ago and the gospa says, don't worry in the company of the cortex, that is, in the company of me, she is already saved and heaven is moving away, I'm sure your mother will soon be in purgatory heaven. Obviously there is no fourth day, the Virgin continues to appear and disappear, that is, during the apparition something spontaneous appears, very particular, very strange, she goes up and down, they do not move with the hand.

Rosario, you know that in the rosary, the Reichstag lost a Virgin for him too, but here is something worse, more serious, because, of course, Vika. lady of the lantern why doesn't she appear in the church so that everyone can see her now don't smile because this is the tragedy one of the energy of medjugorie that lagosta the effects obeyed rai le people will begin to appear in the church but why did you ask Why did the communist authorities call the priest? They warned him that the phenomenon must occur in the church because too many crowds outside are not good.

The priest speaks with the visionaries. He asks you to ask the Virgin if it is possible for her to appear in the church. listen to what is happening listen to what is happening here I leave you the link to the incredible response from the coast blessed are those who do not see but I think it is because you love me pyun church there are not many people I will not answer you for now blessed are those who do not see, they believe it , they look for the psychotherapist contra sexum, etc., whoever guides the psychics has the doubt that Satan is really appearing, but at a certain point there is doubt that he is appearing, except that then you asked the agents to ask the costa to a parish church appears again in no previous authentic projection there has never been people ask the Blessed Virgin Mary where to appear also because if she appears to me I kneel and do not say another word that is to say and I have to decide where she should appear to me where the sky must be revealed you understand that basically we are something so absurd that really the joke and what I made at the beginning I could really repeat it we could stop we save half an hour of objections but instead interesting so you have to be strong so in your fight have all the possible arguments so I will give them all to you on June 30 Vika asks the coast what he wanted to happen in that place and the coast be careful he answers I didn't know he would need attention magnetic tapes I'm quoting the tapes listen listen the priest of the answer there it is the holy virgin he does not know why father knocked there when you hear him say loudly we asked him how you asked us to say what because when he appeared there he told us that he did not know listen to the priest's response that he is still right but what a cost this will never cost but then the maneuver is less than a child I repeat I don't know he knows and pepper hoe said but what a ghost and this one who doesn't know but well it's less than a child doesn't know anything I ask for a preventive solution doubt to have a league you understand that we necessary to defend the concept of the Marian apparitions we are defending the Madonna zero is a body in centaur football and on June 30 the communist authorities in Como who are not part of the game and order it to the police station and order that the meetings be take place in the church then intervenes and the apparitions were taking place in the church regularly Bishop Zani who follows with great prudence what is happening is a very Celtic order to the rigorous and serious episcopal commission as it should be because the local bishop It is the instance the authority in the first instance with the power to declare true or false supernatural or not an appearance of the problems that the room a very particular story in this sense with the bishop an Italian bishop there and everything good with rule of power In this sense, it is the bishop who is the authority that must locally evaluate whether it is really an apparition.

The commission is made respecting all the fields of the code of canon law in force at that time to capture whether it is a tradition or not and the conclusion is textual in an official document of the Curia of Mostar that as conclusionsand they are definitely negative, the visions are not authentic and do not cost supernaturality, that is, there is no authentic phenomenon of appearance of this attention already in 1984 in a church in order and not damaged from the foundations by the The democratization of the Second Vatican Council by episcopal conferences, let us never forget that the crisis will not end until the episcopal conferences are canceled, which are democracy in the church that corrupts all true authority, be careful not to forget it but in any case there is a formal official statement after careful medical, psychological studies, etc. . that says that they are not authentic devices, the church has already spoken out and lies and also sins if whoever says it does so knowingly and many still do so today, the church has not yet spoken out and cannot speak until the apparitions end because the church only speaks after the end of an apparition it is not true the church can also speak at the beginning also during to protect the faith of the faithful to protect the faith of the little ones to protect the church and its dignity therefore it is a lie and the church in 84 already said that they are not supernatural apparitions to the users, they are some dimensions of form at this point the same bishop because he comes to visit me he swore that he wants to see what is happening he goes to the hill or rather not to his doctor's church no I wrote the place no longer say if in the phase of the hill in the phase of the church anyway bad appearance I think it was in 'open because the phrase that said I think they were still in the neck and without a certain point a seer who turns towards the crowd he shouts turn off the flashlights and electric batteries, put out the cigarettes if nolagosta does not appear then the apparition the psychic says that he is only there if he exists but the cigarettes and the electric flashlights because at night they evidently ask him how long he would have always been present we are in the first first weeks the magnetic tapes respond as long as you want, as long as you want, let's read, look, this strange image is emerging of an August in command at the disposal of the faithful in the faith in a certain sense, ideal heir of the faithful who have the time of Saint Margaret at their disposal, as long as I would like, tell me if the answer I have never heard in any previous apparition and even as meaningless as a coma like the time I want if heaven is bothered by a mission and for a warning for some reason what to say depends on our will you see how everything is reversed it is not the sky that is in charge it is the earth that is in charge it is not god and man I will make you send like children the threat of god to the peoples without faith here is really here also the world turns to boys and girls who send marinades at a certain moment the gospa says the people before her sentence there are always Judas incredulous because he had told him that someone does not believe in the visions that come to him he madly points out that Saying Judas is an Unbeliever is a great theological error because for the Catholic team Judas sins against faith against charity by betraying Jesus Christ, faith does not count, so the Virgin cannot not know what to judge by faith and be surprised committing a sin against charity and instead there in the visions this phrase comes out that Judas has the credit while this is not the case here there is a theological error and you know that the famous great Catholic principle by which evil cannot be recognized in a only one side of Mark the good from the integrity of the bonum ex integrity of the good but on one side a single theological error in the mouth of the Virgin Mary is enough to demonstrate the absolute lack of foundation of all the apparitions, mappa di zocco insists on fearing let it be Satan because because people continue to blaspheme a lot both in daily life and during the apparition during the apparition among the crowd that attends the apparition you can hear the terrible and then they say it is not possible that if heaven really appears it does appear the Virgin the people three meters to 4 meters from the apparition blasphemes blasphemies terribly so there is also an interesting sign that makes us think in this phase of the same Franciscans who then think that it appears several times have this doubt but perhaps they know why far to assign to the side the appearance of Myrian ask in August at a certain time requested by the parish priest requested by the communist police station ask the coast I will read you the same sentence verbatim that if you would be angry if they went to the church instead of the mountain the ghost's response seems determined says miliana when we ask him this question how am i he liked it however he said he wouldn't wander so miliana asks if he will join you if we go to the church for the visions the gospa is negatively affected by a place like This but then he says that he would not stay and that is why he moves to the church that is why the gospa agrees to present himself the new chosen must be people like me I chose them at the police station present precisely on June 30, 1981 Lagosta clearly says that he would only appear for three days more then on the magnetic tapes Miriana goes down with the visionary acts are all recorded even separately and in force they say the gospa said that she only appears three more days then a device and as it is written if the vision were true they would be words of oak of Maria and I doubt that Maria the difference between us poor sinners and our always uncertain choices can change the time of the appearance and he said I will only stay with you three days, it's a shame that instead he appears for 40 years 40 thousand times so there is a slight deviation between three days and 40 thousand times I would say that it exceeds the possibility of such a random material error, the Immaculate Conception is not supposed to make a counting error.

They are seeing the Virgin and they argue among themselves there is no such function for the function they think of Saint Bar of Saint Bernadette in the manner of Saint Bernadette endures knee pain the knee tumor indescribable suffering peace in the face and here they argue they argue but they don't enough they are observed during mass on Sunday at mass what the visionaries will be like who are seeing Mary Most Holy every day how they go to mass after heaven has manifested itself to them with so much truth in the church they appear distracted non-devotees of hunger they talk and walk around the church during mass 17 year old people not five we will not understand it in a five year old psychic but in a 17 year old psychic with layers especially As you walk, talk and wander around the church, you see that now my promise That I am fulfilling almost everything we say is enough to completely falsify all these pseudo apparitions, problems related to the messages, that is, the heresies contained in the messages bonum ex integrity of the bone. and therefore the smallest heresy is enough I say a nuance assuming that the nuance of heresy can exist heresy and it cannot be a structure or it exists or there is not even the smallest heresy but I would say that even the smallest theological error or whatever be close to error are the formulas of the inquisition that are very varied excludes any supernaturality excludes any authenticity the television the messages are banal and repetitive frighteningly inconsistent and empty and I anticipate one thing that values ​​later but even more important to say now they are above all mysteriously detached in the most absolute way from the terrifying crisis affecting the West and the church in particular, we will never divide the church we never talk about believing in the priesthood we never talk about abortion we never talk about the evils that are devastating the Western world already in Those years, the 80s, were already years of complete devastation and that is why it is a little strange that in the most apocalyptic moment that the West has known in the collapse of faith, the collapse of the Holy Mass, the collapse of all abortion recognized by law of the previous years let us not forget that abortion was known by law at the end of the 70s with the referendum of 81 it is confirmed that we are one breath away from the most unjust law imaginable and the Virgin appears and seems to condemn the specific evils that exist in the church in the clergy and in the state but it seems to give messages there is an unprecedented void then comes I will read 1 the last the last March 25,

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contains a very serious heresy that then finds us an enormous heresy that by itself is enough to falsify all the apparitions, meanwhile all the messages end with a thank you Maria, I thank the people, I thank you for coming, thank you for answering my call, but ask yourself this question, but who should thank you? for being considered worthy of seeing the holy virgin cds already taken to heaven practically for a while or 60 read that a humble poor sinner smoking stolen cigarettes receives the honor of seeing the Virgin so I see myself thanking from heaven heaven thank you sinner and I add particular born I wanted to be very cold and even-tempered the range realizes that I cannot and too many things are concentrated too much faith the church is too enemy of the concept of the Marian apparition profane chapter so serious sacrilege that it is staining the very concept of the apparition Mariana. 40 years of things like this will reduce everything to pieces if they continue without it being a truly great movement and dissemination of knowledge about these things, so I feel sorry for my bull that I didn't want to become derisive because a lot of people are in good faith, maybe all , but you understand, we are facing something serious and not a rosary and a precapture of ours now Mary cannot pray to our father knowing why father we ask God for the remission of our debts just as we forgive our debtors and ask ourselves if they are free from evil Mary could never have prayed to our father because she couldn't she shouldn't have been delivered from evil it is because she had no debts as she has never committed even the slightest venial sin by surprise and has never had even the slightest money and the immaculate immaculate that the only creature the highest of the highest angels the queen of heaven cannot pray to our father the The prayer of us, poor lepers, poor sinners, is not the first of the immaculate.

I am sorry for the prayer of maturation and glory and the sanctus but he is not our father and this is something close to heresy because it is a very serious thing. offense to the dogma of the immaculate conception and the anti-Lourdes is the anti-Lourdes Lourdes that turns itself upside down handles them but some conceptions free us from our evil forgives our debts as it varies in prayer so that she, who is very humble, cannot reach the point in his humility of lying and he would lie if he said goodbye to the hand of Rivera Nadal, that is why we have the dogmatic proof that we are facing the unprecedented heretical attack on the dogma of the immaculate conception and or thank you, he asks not to pray for oneself but for others. cost heaven pray for yourselves pray for others others are not theologians therefore either your neighbor is a heresy or a heretic because if ever exactly the opposite love your neighbor as yourself who is proud of those who pray for others but not for themselves, how important it is to pray for oneself because I have a firm duty above all, my soul is certainly to also hope for that of others, but as Lagosta does, the poor adolescents immersed in a world that they really love were already in the most communist to say do not pray for them my promise is being fulfilled everything is just the proof we are faced with the greatest deception of the century to resume our titles there is talk of hell at one point you deny it in a message you practically deny it saying that after the death there is a time when there is still time, you can see hell and there is still time to reject it again extreme post-mortem momentum of conversion 15 ends only those who even seeing at a certain point really want to throw yourself into this is possible this there are also such increases in acts it could also be for this reason but it also points out here a little a lot of things because they had had an astral trip it took them to purgatory hell and heaven I saw everything I saw very very strange things non-Catholic so maybe I saw another reality, for example, everyone suffers the same punishment in hell in the same way, a sensational theological error that goes against the infinite justice of God, who is just for each one according to his own in goodness with different degrees of glory for him. different merits of people but also in punishment because each one deserves the appropriate and proportionate punishment for the evil they did and that is why there are degrees of merit and glory and degrees in the pain of the sick that are more intense for those who have applied it. more or I have sinned more perversely with more malice with more etc. etc so here there is if not heresy something very close to the direction but I think that what almost makes xi deny the degrees of difference in the skin is more the damn data all.

They have the horns the tail that calls everyone they smile but be careful here there is also traffic because who in Christian iconography the tail decorates the demons now in your opinion what does it mean that in hell only sees the damned with tails and horns who only he sees demons he sees men and therefore in hell there is for men as well as demons and think about this how much it reassures how much it reassures Christians before God says Lagosta on October 10, 1982 as there is only God there is communism that is also there for August Lagosta evidently you accept ecumenism before God all regions are residents that God governs them like a king in his kingdom this thesis in its purest form and no and no there is no need to link that ecumenism is avery serious sin and therefore August cannot sin the rubber of August cannot be like and instead here an interreligious vault would appear not only ecumenical but also for the dialogue of non-Christian religions an August that will sign the Abu Dhabi document on rights human brotherhood and no, he can't, he can't, a little pole, maybe he can stop some modernist, but he certainly can't.

In August, the bishop severely condemns some friars, orders the transfer of another parish to leave d'amelio gori lago, escape says no more than blasi that he is doing a good job let him stay in his place I disobey the bishop in summary finally 90 accelerates jacco at one point he asks the gospa during the vision the future result of his football team he prefers to answer be careful with us I don't know August's answer because all the visionaries started laughing during the vision he asked how several anna from the final of the Barcelona champions cup in the hill and as if Bernadette was wondering if they cured the disease, the arthritis of the name here is a bit strange, let's go to the conclusion, actually I have a lot to say, for example, more heresy August 31, 82 I don't have all the thanks from the cost I receive from God what I get thanks to the prayers of the faithful so no I don't have the thanks I receive all the thanks from God based on the prayers but it was not gt3 thanks no the rebellious friars are suspended to divinis reduced to the state lay precisely above all as well as for other very serious acts for the very serious disobedience but above all because of the conflict, as I have already said, I am not going to insist that they will leave the habit essentially they will be expelled from the Franciscan order and reduced to the lay state because he had married this nun here who had children except for a few things that I wanted to read very interesting rates since the time is short and I really have very limited minutes so I will just read the last message and it summarizes the other things that were very interesting the day of the psychic for example for you the description of the dates reading this maybe it is worth writing it there is a ritual I am one of the rites you arrive in Medjugorie or another place because someone who lives in America Monza resigns friends Gori you come in groups of 10 to 20 pilgrims entering the visionary who are all owners of Tito hotels, hotels or houses, magnificent house of spirituality with 120 rooms in an immense lung palace owned by life that receives the spirituality groups that obviously pay a lot of money to the so-called big hotels, all of them. so ask yourself some questions one of the psychics lives in America it is a million dollar villa along with his wife and three children that the wife was Miss Massachusetts she was a miss Americans are the photos kyi movies and all the psychics receive groups of pilgrims in a hack stay of a photo at a certain point I have the psychic arrives we start praying and promising also in the advertising brochures of the gori player the patient's experience of ecstasy at 6:40 p.m. and the visions are always at 6:40 p.m. there is ecstasy suddenly it will interrupt the hail mary and will begin to do I have also signed to show you but I don't know if we will have time to see it, it would be very interesting and there is a ritual in which all the people see the same way and start to smile a little ecstatic, then they darken, they start to do this and then they like it. this then the hands are extended typical sign of ecstasy there is a kind of shining eyes I made several movements then I started to speak without making any sound everyone moves their mouth in a strange way and suddenly the problem is the closure of the false ecstasy because it was not embarrassing and 40 thousand you can also specialize but the closing is always embarrassing always Miriana in particular for example, suddenly collapses, bends to the ground, shows a kind of very great pain as if now I don't know if precisely who knows what because she has received 10 very mysterious secrets that no one knows in a parchment that is halfway between paper and cloth that they say have entered the house and visionary at 18 40 c at the moment of ecstasy lasts an average of five minutes always with this motif hands together hands that extend if not smiles on the clothes final group at this point the visionary heretic passes and blesses the objects rosaries photos briefcases and collects offer envelopes they are not saints of a new religion vaguely new age pop very post modern à la Andy Warhol we could fence with large colored fabrics however gori needs a work of pop art and in fact all that is exactly a false shame really because of the material he had it was very interesting but I abstain I will just read your message this you grant me the message It deserves it and I will read it to you it is the last message therefore fresh fresh current therefore I would say March 25 a few days ago a few days ago and then we have to read it bad guys this is a time of grace while nature is renewed new life You are also invited to conversion, spring is near, decide for God, decide for God, children, you are empty and you have no joy because you do not have God, as the woman and micciche were seen 40 thousand times, it is a joy that we are fleeing and with strength but since I have seen the Virgin 40 thousand times and I have no joy and desperate things you do not have joy because a life and that is why I bargain so that prayer is for you life in nature seek God who created you because father nature fights for life and not for death wars reign in the hearts of people because you do not have peace and you do not see children in your neighbor your brother that is why he returned to God and prayer thank you for having responded to my I call that the essay is very theologically dense, so you really need a vision to have these great revelations, but I close with a very quick observation.

I hope the ultimately friendly, smile-inclined tone we used didn't bother you. I have made it more difficult to follow the discussion but there is another very recent message from March that I wanted to show you, it is really a shame not to be able to see the video of a false apparition, the message here says my son is a true god united with a body or truly human the traced work but the concept is my son is a true god who joined himself to a human body and then I go or isolate this phrase I have it with the emotion of the catechism and it can be said that one of the greatest heresies that has already hit history of the church in the first centuries why God did not unite is true God and true man not true God and true human body and say that God united a human body and deny the dogma of the hypostatic union in the person of the verb human nature divine nature human nature is united, which Saint Thomas explains very well, correcting Aristotle, who in reality is also essentially corporeal, but since human nature is precisely the union of a body with an immortal soul, therefore it is not true that his son was united as true god has a human body is united his divine nature has a human nature and this is for a few days this immense terrible and resin with this I conclude reluctantly for the things that I have not been I can tell you, but I believe that what we have seen It's enough.

Thank you. Even so.