Wayne Dyer and Eckhart Tolle The state o 1

Eckhart Tolle and Wayne Dyer together I first became a path to your teachings when I was living in London and a friend of mine gave me a book. She worked in a bookstore, the famous Watkins bookstore in London, the oldest metaphysical bookstore in the world, and she gave me. a novel and the author was Wayne Dyer it was in the 80's and it was a novel about a woman from outer space who came to the planet to give spiritual teachings, her name was icus and it was actually my daughter who was born that year and it was her name spelled backwards Skye e and k i s and um it was about someone who visited another world where it was an exact duplicate of Earth, except um the people there were neurotic like us here, except they were neurotic there because there was a reason to be neurotic when this visitor first He checked into the hotel, turned on the TV and someone gave the news and then they gave the weather and then they gave the sports and then they gave the anxiety attack report the likelihood of him having an anxiety attack over the weekend was high.

It was coming fast over the mountains, you want to get out your to Earth and she's looking at all these people saying they're having anxiety attacks but there's no anxiety and it doesn't attack the original title of that book it was going to be called If You Want to Be Happy Get Your Head Out of Uranus but it turned out to be a little bit more serious and we're actually made, we're making a movie out of it oh yes, it's the only fictional thing I've ever undertaken oh yes, it reminds me a bit of Aldous Huxley wrote a novel called Island which is about a fictional island, someone is shipwrecked on this island where you begin to realize that the natives live consciously and in awareness and even the parrots in the trees have been trained to remind people to be aware, so they say things like attention, attention, that is, be present, to be there, you could say, to be there as the witnessing presence of your mind, so if you haven't read it yet, you can enjoy it and if your book is still available, it is still in prayer for everything that I do.

What I have made is still in print is amazing. It's called gifts for Michaels, yes, yes, but what you're saying reminds me, do you know who Mary Oliver is? She is a well-known poet. She wrote a poem that I used to recite in my talks called wild geese and they asked her what this was what is the secret to living an enlightened life and she said it just boils down to and it reminds me of what you just said pay attention, be surprised and tell it to Other people, she said that's all you need to be successful in life.

I think paying attention is the key, it's a big part of what you do. I know, and that's, of course, I've told that story several times in the past, but not for a few years, so maybe I can. Say it, it's a Zen Zen about a Zen master who actually lived I don't know when 100 years ago in Japan and his only teaching, when they asked him to explain the meaning of Zen, his only response was to raise his index finger and look. For you, that is the meaning of sin, what it points to, of course, is the

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of presence, alert presence, that is simply the whole teaching, of course, Zen is that many people who are attracted to Zen They try to understand it conceptually and they just don't get it.

So I know those monks who just don't get it because there is nothing to understand conceptually, they are entering the

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of presence consciousness, so it is frustrating to develop methods to further frustrate the mind to the point that it finally abandons its attempt. of understanding or knowing conceptually and that's really not just Zen, that's really the essence, even causing miracles, it says that your understanding is not a powerful contribution to the truth and the paradox is that outside of that state of presence very often if there really is something. You need to know that it comes up, yeah, someone sent me a t-shirt that I gave to my son that says, "Don't do something, stay there and it was like a Zen master, you know?" and that leads us to an interesting topic and that is being and doing to reconcile within oneself the two Dimensions because here as human beings we are called to act and we are all called to create as the universe loves to create new forms billions of trillions of ways of life of which we are part. this love of the universe to create form and then and I know that because I have observed myself and you know this because you know yourself, the universe also wants to know its own Essence through you, the source, it wants the conscious realization of the source and in Human beings are expressed as the attraction towards the con of being totally content with what it is to be totally at peace in the present moment, longing for that state of deep, beautiful and absolute peace, and I will call that in a minute .

As your entry I call that the is the exit movement of the universe is wanting to create and the return movement of the universe is wanting to know itself and him through the human as in its Essence then the universe wants said two then maybe all Here You can also feel that inside you do want to do things but you also want to be so as not to lose your being while doing it and not to get lost in stressing about obtaining the fruit of the action bhagavad-gita not not to always look towards what is next to achieve to remain rooted in the being and then act from there from that rootedness not out of egoic need to have but out of that inner plenitude and I am sure that you have a lot to contribute here.

I think of Moby Dick, one of my favorite novels, and the author speaks with these words: “There are great writings that always intrigue me and I memorized it when I was in high school,” he said to us as this awful ocean surrounds the green land. In the soul of man there is an insular Tahiti full of peace and joy but encompassed by all the horrors of half-life and when it comes to being and doing, I think that is one of the main problems for Eckhart. for our world and for us is that we were not really raised to believe in our extraordinaryness, in how extraordinarily divine we are, that we are not all just pieces of God, but that we are all God, we are all part of God. us and that is something that we carry with us and this ordinary part of us, the part of us that you know is called ego, you know the part of us that believes that who we are is what we accumulate and what we achieve and what other people think about us and the part of us that is separate from others and the part of us that feels like we have to own things and so on and that we were born into this world where there is nothing to do, you know, there is moment babies inside a mother's womb there is nothing what she has to do what the baby has to do is a and the Dao the Dao says um the Dow does nothing and leaves nothing undone has become the favorite Mantra of my son because I say Sans, come on do something, come on, he'll say, I don't do anything and I don't leave anything undone, so, um, but this is a part of us, so we're ripped away from that perfection and programmed into a life of accumulation and achievement, and what we begin. believe that this is who we are and we never get to the part of us that is extraordinary because the ordinary part of us feels that we are having a successful life if we go through the motions if we go to school if we get good grades if we get into the right school if we know the right person if we fill out the forms if we pay our taxes if we don't get arrested if we follow the rules you know this is like an ordinary life and um I'm talking about an extraordinary life and I have a lot of respect for the work that you've done throughout of the years um but the extraordinary part of us um still has something ordinary in it, I mean, you still know we still have to do it.

We still have to follow the rules, most of them, and we still have to fill out the forms and you know, I'm sure you pay your taxes correctly and, you know, you may be an extraordinary being, but you still have something common about it. but beyond the ordinary, this is what we call soul because we just don't know, we have another name for it, you know, and in the Dao to Ching, the first lines of the Tao say that the you that can be named is not the you. Dao, so you are already trapped, you can't even call it anything because it goes to Tunisia, now it is what it is and the name you give it, but the extraordinary part of us, of whom we are all, is the soul, is that invisibility that does not It is not that which has no form, which has no limits, has no beginning, has no birth, does not change, is immortal and this part of us does not care about winning, does not care about possessing, does not care about happiness, He doesn't mind being. better than anyone it simply just wants to expand it wants to grow it is miserable the soul is miserable when you contain it when you surround it with a fence when you put a label on it when you tell it what it can be and what it cannot be that we all have this extraordinaryity called The Soul which is infinite because if it were not infinite it would be finite and if it were finite you could find the end of it or the beginning of it.

It's like that because it's not finite it's infinite this means that um what does infinite mean? it's just always expanding it's just there's no end there's no end this is the part we need to address I think within ourselves is this infinite part of us that doesn't need to fit in doesn't need to be right doesn't need to be better than anyone just wants to expand and grow and not be told this is what you can do this is what this is what your limits are this is what is not possible for you and I have always, I don't know about you, but always my whole life has been and I have I've been intrigued by extraordinary people, by extraordinary events, by people who can do things as quickly as I can.

As soon as I saw that someone can levitate, I thought, "I want to know everything about that. You know, how do you do it with someone who can?" Carolyn Mays talks about Defying Gravity or, you know, Joel Goldsmith says that in the presence of the god. Realize that the laws of the physical world do not apply. Know? Can you make electronic equipment stop with your Consciousness and so on and that kind of thing those extraordinary achievements? I just read a book that blew me away, I don't know. If you've read this thing called Unbroken by Laura Hillerbrand, have any of you read that Unbroken, one of the great reads you'll ever read in your life and it's the story of a man who survived impossible things and now he's 94 years old and he was shot down during World War II and sailed on a raft across the Pacific Ocean, every word is true, but the extraordinary thing about this being and what he accomplished and how he survived those things.

I just think that we need to turn to ourselves, People like us, who have a large audience to create a world of extraordinary people who look beyond what they were programmed to become as ordinary people, filling out forms, etc., to those where we can expand and really change the world in this way. of something can really impact the entire consciousness of this planet. I really believe that it can happen, yes, and the basis for that is that in a way we are talking about creating and as before you mentioned that part within each one, the essence that is timeless and infinite and that is the being and the union so conscious With that it can lead to awakening, as I call it awakening, if we go back for a moment to the part of being as Wayne spoke and as I speak pointing towards that Dimension within you, the question is. whether at this very moment so that it is not a belief in your mind, I mean, it is comforting to believe that I am an infinite being, but that is a belief and then you can feel the reality of that and as we sit here, can we? feeling the reality of that within ourselves where you no longer derive your sense of identity or your sense of who you are from ideas in your head, that's the beginning because it's fun in normal Consciousness, which is the unconsciousness of who you feel what you are, which of course is a limited self the conditioned self the time-limited self or what the Buddha called the self delusion what Jesus pointed out when he said deny yourself as one of the essential points of his teaching deny yourself yourself to be misinterpreted by the churches as if you had said oh miserable me that's not that at all to deny yourself is to recognize the unreality of that self of basing your sense of who you are on the ideas you have in your head thoughts in In other words, they tell you your story about who you are and never really feeling fulfilled, it's not always enough, so you need to defend this mental edifice of who you are, etc., you need to add something else and maybe then I'll be completely myself when I achieved it, so at this moment you can feel that within you there is an unconditioned Timeless Consciousness that has nothing to do with thought, which is prior to all thought, that is, you cannot turn it into an object and say ah, It is there because it is the Eternal subject, it is the I. the one that I is its spacious presence I'm just using different pointers because different pointers work for different people its spacious presence is a feeling of deep vitality that has nothing to do with your history at all nor with your future at all, so if you can touch that within you that is Liberation from a false sense of self and it is once you can feel thatIt is actually exhilarating to feel that which transcends the very limit in you, that presence that cannot be conceptualized that cannot be named The Tao that is the type of this is why we are here to experience that the great Saint in India called muktananda They asked him what is real and he said it is real and it never changes periods, so Now you try to define yourself using that definition as a question that Eckhart is addressing: who am I? and the first thing that comes to your mind is that you know while I am, I am this body, you know that, but how many bodies have you been in?

Since you incarnated this time, how many bodies have you appeared and are you in one this big? you're in the body of a little boy you're in one that stops just like all my teenage daughters do and rolls their eyes. on a 20 year old body and I just saw a photo of it. I just did a new public television special and I saw that image floating around and when I was in that body, when I was in that body, I really believed it was real, but it's been 50 years and I can't find it. I do not know where it is.

There is nothing in this body. There is not a single cell left in this body that was in that body. And that's true for every person watching and for every person. in this room, so who you are is the one who keeps occupying new bodies on a regular basis. In fact, if Deepak were here with us, he would say that the body you entered this performance with will be very different from the one you leave here with. We can't see the changes happening there, but we are in a will, so if everything that is changing is not real, who we really are, there is a higher self within each and every one of us or a higher self and a higher self to me it's like I one of my teachings is that the creators They put a spark of themselves in each and every creation, so there is a spark of God in each and every one of us. but my experience, especially lately in my own life, has been that that spark can grow from a spark to a fragment, to a segment, to something bigger, it can become as big as a football, it can become larger and bigger inside you. until you finally come to another conclusion that uh the same conclusion that Jesus came to when he was about to be stoned because he blasphemed about this he said why would you stone me and uh they told him we stone you because you are a man and they claim to be God he said?

Isn't it written in your laws that I have said you are gods you are gods this comes straight from the mouth of Jesus and Saint Paul writing in Philippians in his letters to the Philippians says do you have the same feeling? like Christ Jesus, who being in the form of God, did not consider it theft to be equal with God, but we have taken this idea of ​​this place that you are talking about of this perfect infinite presence, this place of divine peace, and we interpret the words I am God or you are God to be the god that we have created in our own image this God who is angry and this God who has the power to heal but um uh restricts it to some and gives it to others this God who demands payments and fantasy , you know, buildings and costumes embroidered with gold bricks, etc., and created a god like that when, in fact, again, out of Scripture, Jesus said when asked who God is, he said God is love, I mean , I don't know. there is a better word for that, yes and of course impermanence and the changing body or inhabiting different bodies, the same applies to the psychological because the body is the physical form and that is the starting point for the sense of identity Of most people, that's me.

I am this external appearance, etc., the next place that people use to define their identity, of course, is the psychological self-image that is also changing, which consists of the stream of thought accompanied by certain emotions that happen continuously and that also change with the year. a year who do you consider yourself to be the psychological self then we have the double illusion, illusory identifications: one is with a physical vehicle and then there is the identification with the emotional mental vehicle as well, which is not who you are, which is also part of the continuum. flow of forms and recognize that that is already yours when you recognize that it is a kind of relief in a way if you really consider the fact of the impermanence of the physical form and the impermanence of the psychological form you say wow, it is for the ego that really ego It is the identification with that that gives you a sense of yourself that is the ego so for the ego that is bad news it says oh that is terrible everything is impermanent I don't want to hear that says the ego that is terrible it is depressing Don't tell me about the depressing death, but there is something else in you that really feels suddenly alive and exhilarated when you hear the fact of impermanence and suddenly something awakens in you that is not part of impermanence, that which does not change and that we could call it so or that, but it is never entirely correct, sometimes we call it pure Consciousness, the unconditioned Consciousness, the formless Consciousness, thought is the consciousness that has been born in a form, the physical body is the consciousness that has been born in a vehicle temporary physical, so Consciousness.

It continually takes shape and that is the deepest meaning of reincarnation, you could say every time I get trapped in a thought that arises in my head and by trapped I mean identified with the thought, the thought has me in its power every time. That happens, I reincarnate. in thought form, then you reincarnate into physical bodies, but you also reincarnate into Mind continually because you identify with the mind to stop the cycle of reincarnation, which is what Buddhists are trying to do, but they have a kind of traditional idea. but the most immediate thing you can do is not believe every thought that arises in your head so that you don't get caught up in every thought that arises and realize that there is a dimension.

In you that is a conscious presence from where you can look at a thought and see it come and go and you can see that it is all this, it is negative, it has a certain vibratory quality that can be high or low, and so you can do it. you touch the place where you are not the physical body where you are not the thoughts and emotions although they are there Where you are that spacious presence the awareness of that that is the Eternal that is the Eternal eye and that is the light of the world that is Jesus again you quoted Jesus Jesus said two things, he said I am the light of the world and then in another place he said you are the light of the world.

That word I am is very great in my Consciousness and in my knowledge. I just wrote a whole book. that's coming out in the spring about this whole idea of ​​I am, that's the only place in all the Torah scriptures, which are the first five books of the Old Testament, um, in the Exodus, you know, there's Moses out there floating in a uh, in a basket in denial and he is picked up by the pharaoh's daughter and raised as the grandson of the pharaoh who had ordered all the male children to be drowned and so on and then he escapes after committing a murder when he was 17 or 18 years and defending someone who was being persecuted, one of these Israelites moves to Sinai and is walking one day, 40 years later, after getting married and having children, he is a shepherd and suddenly he comes across a burning bush. and this is a bush that is not consumed, it just continues to burn and a voice comes from the burning bush and says to Moses, shout the name Moses Moses, now this is 1300 years before the birth of Christ, that is the 13th century.

That's 800 years before Lao Tzu, so this is one of our oldest texts and stories and it's the only place where God's name is given and the goddess shouts Moses and the first words Moses says to God are here I am and then he. Start telling Moses this, what a strange story you are going to come out and you are going to free all your people, I am going to send you a promise that you are going to free them all and and he said, Who am I? Who am I to do this he said well I will be with you he says in Exodus and finally but he said who what is your name says what am I going to say to these people and he said my name is me?

I am what I am and that will be my name for all future generations, that is my name, so the name that I am is really the name of God and you have to ask yourself the question every time you use it, you know it in the Book of Joel . says: let the weak say I am strong how do you declare your Iams? because most of your Iams are associated with your everyday life, with your physical world, with your mind that you're talking about, but when you start saying, you know I'm fine, which I tell myself and I've had a diagnosis that tells me I'm not supposed to say that, but I know that the greatest gift I've been given is the gift of my imagination, the gift of being able to place anything. there and put the do not disturb sign around it and super glue my intentions to that inner right place and you mentioned the words that Jesus said I am the way I am the truth, he also said I am the resurrection, she don't say I am the crucifixion and we have put a lot of emphasis on that in the world in suffering and I don't think enough about this being that is transcended and is that being of light but I ask each one of you to observe each one of you here that you have be very careful when they use the words I am because they say I am weak when when Moses said what is your name he did not do it God did not say my name is I hope things turn out well you know or my name is I will be because saying I will be means I am not he said I am that I am means everything that exists I am what I am what it means you and you can use the name I am and one of the things Eckhart you and What I talked about in preparation for doing this is not just looking at it from an academic philosophical point of view , but also how we can apply what our teachings really bring to the world because, in this world that we're in now, I mean.

This is what you need a lot of what we're talking about here, you need an I am God in the sense of I am love as that which we walk with in our peace and in our tranquility because this is the first time in history. In this country, the life expectancy of a child born today is less than that of his parents, this has never happened before and his expectation of earning what he can earn is seriously diminished compared to what his parents were, and we know that We have a nation of addicts. I mean not just illegal drugs and so on, but just prescriptions, you know, I mean, in the year, this is a shock, in the year 1970, two billion prescription tablets were prescribed in the United States, 2 1 billion individual tablets in 1970. in 2007, a generation later. that number is a hundred and thirteen billion in a generation, I mean who isn't taking four, five or six prescription drugs and I mean my daughter just lost her best friend's fiancé to an overdose of these prescription drugs. ? painkillers that people are taking antipsychotic medications, I mean we're loaded with them, not only that, but our food supply has been contaminated, I mean it's like people have 31 percent of young people who are obese, what is happening? that's a lack of Consciousness, you know, the genetically modified organisms put in our food, you know, and the violence last year in the city of Chicago, 242 students were shot to death in a city, in a school system, you know, it's like Just a few days ago in Nevada, someone came in with an Uzi or an AK-47 and killed seven or eight people in Carson City.

I want the people you know who are voting to end the sale of these massive weapons that are so capable of killing people to stand up. and being counted, I mean violence, pollution, addictions, we have enough people who think I'm God and I'm loved and they project it. I mean, one of the things that I got from watching what you did with Oprah is the awareness that, um, when we reach high levels. of consciousness that you're talking about when we are fully here now present that we not only affect ourselves but we affect, we literally affect those around us, right?

I mean, that's what you're teaching and yeah, that was very It's shocking to me that it's important for me to pay attention and be surprised because not only because I'll feel better and have a nice conversation like this, but because the next person with the whoever meets me will be impacted by that and the next. and quite a few of us, the number of people here, the number of people watching, I mean, I think that's what we're called to do, Eckard, I think that's why we have a voice, I really do, it depends on the people you come into contact with.

The state of consciousness or your state of unconsciousness is also transmitted so a negative person can create a chain reaction of negativity in many others and in the same way a conscious person can dissolve streams of negativity, the buck stops here, you , if you are yes. you are conscious and non-reactive, the current stops, you dissolve into the presence that you are and therefore you not only affect those you come into contact with, but you affect the collective, the underlying collective field of human consciousness, so I'm sure it affects you. many others you don't even know about because all human consciousness is connected, the consciousness of each individual human being on a deeper level is part of the collective consciousness of humanity and it's just that it is beyond people too, although aren't you? isSo?

Yeah, I mean, I was with Christian Northrop. You know, Dr. Northrop, right in Pasadena we were giving a talk together and she was so excited right before she started talking, she said, I just saw this amazing research, she said that when you have a garden and you plant vegetables in the garden so that eat thatWhatever you need in terms of what you're missing in life, whether it's a vitamin deficiency or a deficiency in your immune system, whether you have cancer or whatever, those plants that you grow will provide you with just what you need. You need them when you eat them, not for the person next to you.

I mean, it's amazing research, so it's not just human consciousness. I think it's like there's some kind of symbiotic thing and it's like there are some people like when you walk into a room. you just know, I mean, I once walked into a room with Mother Teresa many years ago and it was like everything had changed, the room was in a different state. um patanjali said these wonderful words when you are steadfast, that means you are Never be skillful when you are steadfast in your abstention from thoughts of harm directed at yourself and others, that all living creatures will cease to feel fear in your presence.

I mean, we can impact the entire sphere, the entire universe. I think we can be impacted. If we begin to recognize that we are God, we are God, it is a T.S Eliot had that wonder, he said that we will not stop exploring, but at the end of all our exploration will be to return to the place where we originate from and know it for the first time if I do not believe that you have to die not for that I think I was talking about death but I don't think we are certainly I'm not and I don't think you are either no That is also the same truth in the parable in which Jesus tells him what traditionally It's called The Prodigal Son, which is actually a very old parable that is used in different traditions.

Everyone probably knows this. The son is the son of a rich man. father and goes out he says to the father give me your inheritance and he travels to a distant land and wastes his inheritance he becomes a beggar in other versions he even forgets who he is he forgets that he is that father's son he sits there on the side of the road begging and then the father sends Messengers to him to send Messengers to this distant country and they find the son and say to him: do you know who you are? and she says no and then he starts remembering. and then he comes back to the father's house and that's me, that's what I mentioned before, the movement back and then when he comes back he says that the father loves him more deeply than before and to me that means this is the story of humanity.

Humanity losing. externally we lose connection with the source of all being, not losing it absolutely but without realizing it, and thus we become Beggars and this is the condition of the majority of humans who are not yet going through the spiritual awakening that in others Words are no longer really your condition, but it is still the majority of people on the planet who have not done so and who were not consciously connected to the source within themselves as they search for remains to fulfill themselves and the remains are anything , from the house to the cart or this or that give me a new companion there is something that gives me satisfaction to tell me who I am so they are looking for it there and there that is the condition of the person who has lost consciousness of the source and then Maybe the meaning of The Messengers in the parable is perhaps a spiritual teacher or a spiritual teaching that you somehow come into contact with or the messenger could be, as I see, it could also simply be that the suffering becomes so great that the pressure of the same. it awakens you and then you begin to realize who you are and you come back, then that means you suddenly become aware of that deep connection with the self as your essential Oneness with the self and the meaning of what the parable says which is loved most deeply by parents, I interpret it to mean that when you regain consciousness of the self that perhaps humans had long ago in the distant past and this could be the reason for all the myths in many cultures of the age of gold in many cultures on the planet you have different versions of the myth that there was once a golden age in which people lived happily and it is that that perhaps points to our original connection with Source, then we lost it, this was our until very recently and now.

Returning to the father's home means regaining that awareness but on a deeper level because whereas before it was in your natural state, you can know from your own life when you have lost something and then you come back to it and appreciate it very much. More deeply, it supplies, for example, to our consciousness of nature, that in the past we lived in natural connection with nature and respecting nature, it was so natural that we did not know that we lived in natural connection with nature because nature was everything there was, then we lost. If we create a world that is almost hostile towards nature, it is one of the absurdities or dysfunctions of our condition and there is now an enormous awareness in many humans towards the sacredness of the natural world.

We really know it, we know it more deeply now. than before, so also when we go to the source we return to the consciousness that there is an added Dimension there that was not there when we lived thousands and thousands of years ago in natural connection, now there is a conscious connection with the source and that is what new, the next level in human evolution, I think it is and I think I don't think it's an accident that people like you and I have an audience for that Return to the Source, you know, I mean, I just made a television public. public television special um and basically the theme is it's called wishes fulfilled but the theme is that you are the God that is in each of us and that they approved it really surprised me but that's because there is always so much care separating you and no, you can't saying that you are a God and you know that you are Divine and all that because someone might get angry about that and it just seems like something new, but I'm thinking about Eckard like you were talking about when you talk about the prodigal son who is actually I don't know if it's your story but It's mine and I've gotten lost on several occasions in my life um I spent many years in an orphanage I spent years fighting addictions.

I have spent years dealing with separation and divorce and the pain of that and now leukemia and each of these has almost been a way for me to recognize that all spiritual advances are preceded by a fall of some kind or another, my friend Elizabeth Kubler-Ross passed away a few years ago used to say that if you protect the mountain from wind storms you will never see the beauty of the carvings and the storms of our life and the storms. of my life in particular this recent one that we had talked about before about this leukemia has brought me to just um it has brought me back to you call it Source I'm calling it God it doesn't matter, we could call it Irene It doesn't make any difference what we call it because The you that can be named is not the Dao anyway, but what came into my life at this time in the last few years with this are very important people who have appeared in the healing experience of my life that I had with Juan de God in Brazil, which was done remotely from Brazil to Maui and I was told that someone came here to Maui, a doctor named Dr.

Reina Piscova, she is an eye surgeon in California. She wanted her to go there because she had heard that she had leukemia. I couldn't go or I didn't go and she made all kinds of special arrangements to have my photos taken and I was dressed in white drinking certain types of liquids and and having herbs that I was taking and you know I had a healthy level of skepticism around you know this type of things, as I'm sure many of you do too, but I urge you to, um, I like lope I told him have a mind open to everything and attached to nothing like just open your mind to this because from here that the night it was April 21 of this year my mother turned 95 and I had surgery at seven in the morning from Brazil to Maui I don't know how this is done I uh and then a week later I had to do it I stayed in bed for a whole week I could hardly even walk I was so alone the day after the surgery I woke up and Lorena had called me and said that now you have surgery.

I said yes, she said, well, you can't swim, you can't do yoga, you can't walk and you can't do this kind of stuff. and I said I'm going to walk and I walked 100 meters away from my house and I collapsed and they had to help me back and I was in bed for a week and when they removed the sutures that are invisible sutures that don't exist Even um, from that moment on , okay, something happened to me, that's right when Mary Oliver said, "Be amazed," and Rumi said, "sell your intelligence and buy bewilderment." I have been in a state of bewilderment since I turned 71.

A few weeks into that and all I wanted to do was give away stuff that I was filming in San Francisco at the Saint Francis Hotel and I took a wad of fifty and one hundred dollar bills and just to all the homeless people I could find. I was talking to them the most and I was sobbing through this whole thing, it was like I had become a hopeless case of love and it's been half a year or more and everyone I meet and everything I see, everything is gone. looks different and it was like becoming aware again that, um, I mean, I'm fine, I'm in perfect health.

I'm not going to the doctor now. The numbers don't control me. I quit yoga for a year after being told I couldn't. I couldn't do hot yoga and I believed them and my body started getting tired and I couldn't do it and then one morning they told me: you can go do yoga, you don't have to avoid any of that. you're perfectly fine and then I met Juan de Dios in September. I'll put Omega where we met a few months ago and I passed by and walked among there were 1500 people a day walking past him and they just put me. there he had no idea who I was from anyone else, they didn't tell me, tell them how special I am, you know, the man forgot to say that and, okay, and he looked at me and just smiled and in Portuguese he just said: " you are".

Well, he said, please sit here and watch my interventions for the next three days, which is what I did and it's just been, just, it's been, just, it's been love. I heard it was just love, love, love. I mean, it's almost like God came in somehow. put a divine Consciousness in me that I thought I had because I had been writing about it um and the old ego I mean, it's always there I don't know if you know this I don't even know if I want to Mention this but I'm going to obviously you know that There is a list on the Internet of the 100 most spiritually influential people alive.

Have you seen this list? Yes, yes, yes, yes, you and I are going to have to have a talk here so that you have the hundred from top to bottom and this is where the ego and the spirit are, so it's a very interesting thing because you're listening right now to the third most spiritually influential person alive, that's me and that's my ego that's great thank you and there are two people ahead of me on this list now my spirit says you're not better than anyone else you're just connected to God like everyone else else, why would you think that and then the ego just?

He's tapping me on the shoulder and he said, I know you can take those two guys in front of you, so the number two spiritually influential person according to Watkins on this list is the Dalai Lama and the number one spiritually grateful person is I can't even. I say a spiritually influential living person is accurate, so now I don't know if we should get together and go after the Dalai Lama and then whatever we can fight for, but it's funny that it's all the time because I use it with all my kids. the time you know, I even told my ex-wife, you know?

Can you in your wildest dreams ever imagine that you were married to the third most spiritually influential person? She said they didn't call me. She said I don't know. how to tell you but you're not in my wildest dreams but I think it's interesting that you and I found out about that list the day I found out about that list I got a call from Eckhart Tolle saying: would you like it? We're coming to Maui, we'd like to do a conference together and I thought this is my chance. I'm going, oh God, I love you man, this is um, yeah, concepts like that come floating through your mind.

I saw it too, someone sent me this list. These concepts have to be when they appear, they have to be dropped like hot potatoes because if you hold on to it at that moment, the spirit becomes darkened if you believe that you are someone who is someone immediately, that would be the denial of the reality of this, so that the art really is the and it is complicated because I have seen it happen to other spiritual teachers, some and some have been able to drop the hot potato when people came with beliefs and projections about them and I have seen others who accepted it and felt burdened by some concept of themselves that others were projecting onto them.

This is particularly more likely to happen if you live in an ashram and are surrounded only by people who think you are the best, so it is very easy to fall into that and start believing in some concept of who you are, which immediately obscures the power of the spirit. Yes, it's so true. I'm sure you know who. Rabindra Tagore, the great Indian poet who won the Nobel Prize in the 1920s, talked about the ego, he had this great observationpoetically, he said, um, I'm out alone on my way to my appointment, but who am I in the dark?

I step aside to avoid his presence but I escape from him, no, he makes the dust rise from the ground with his arrogance adds his strong voice to every word I speak he is my little me my Lord he knows no shame but I am ashamed to come to your door in his company beautiful yes, that is the blood, that is the ego, yes that is for the cigar and the uh briefly mentioned yesterday when with RAM does it um, I'm just sure you can recognize it in your maybe in your own experience, but It might be helpful to some of you when we say we'll take a moment to come here in the car from where we stayed to here to have this dialogue at any time, may be rather a form of identity, in which case you your mind works through your story who your concepts of who you are that others have told you and you you believe and have created that mental self and at any moment you can be more abide more in this form identity of who you are my name my story, my achievements or my failures, they all form an Identity or you can be an identity of Essence which is simply a conscious presence where you don't need to remember anything or think about anything, just be that field of consciousness, so the only way I can Ever go to a talk, to an important meeting, if I travel as a number one spiritual teacher, I'm going to meet With spiritual teacher number three, it would create immediate stress because I would be carrying that meant a conceptual self with a terrible burden, but I can be free. of a conceptual self and simply being a presence, an innocent and conscious presence and, as I say now, perhaps each of you can at this very moment find that within you you can be a person or you can be a conscious presence and then , at this moment and the conscious presence is alive, beauty is not bigger than smaller than more important than but it is powerful but not more powerful than its power itself and there is no restlessness in it because it does not compete with anything and that is why sometimes when I give let's say I give a talk or there is a meeting or retreat I am one hundred percent a kind of presence the person is not really there and then in everyday life maybe it is difficult to quantify, but it could be uh 30 person 70 Consciousness is a coming together form and formlessness meet when you are in that higher place where you like it 100 percent of the time in a meditation or whatever, but if you even leave the meditation and you just like it.

I was talking about what happened with that surgery. and so on and with this my body just changes and everything I look at and everyone I look at is just oh I'm so amazed and so bewildered and basically feeling so loved, do you think so personally? I heard that um that your opportunity to literally serve strangers, whatever it is, I mean people that you almost like, you see opportunities to be God, you know, I mean, how do you define it? “I mean, I always use poets because I do a lot of poetry myself,” Huffy said even after all this. time the son never says to the Earth, you owe me, just think of what a love like that can do, it lights up the whole world and I have found that the people who need something I have to give them keep showing up and it is a great happiness. give away, serve, be it advice, be it money, be it time, be it clothes, whatever, does that happen to you, yes, all the time, yes, that's it, huh?

I can see in your eyes that we met for the first time It was 10 years ago at Omega, very briefly, and then you were a lovely being, but now I can see that perhaps the physical challenge you are facing eroded your ego and this in your eyes there is a wonderful love. and tenderness and I think the grace that came through illness that came into your life through that I can't tell you how many sick people that I've been able to help that have just showed up for me and when I just did this special of television that will be broadcast around the world, you know, around the world for years and years and um, it's, it's, it feels like that even just being here and seeing these faces and knowing that out there that um people are going to be moved, I mean, we have a world full of cancer, you know, we have a world and it's almost all because of fear, I mean, simply, and the course says, you always know that there is only fear and love, and everything that is fear can not. being loved and everything that is love cannot be fear, so you can choose.

You know, and it seems to me that we are talking about eliminating fear from our lives and judgments, and you know, in the Soy speeches, it says that if you can eliminate it. If you can eliminate judgment, criticism and condemnation towards any of God's children, I believe that means for the planet as well, then you will be able to manifest for yourself the life you want as soon as you can get rid of those three things. judgment criticism criticism condemnation yes, what are all the thought forms, right, so yes, that in itself would be enough, but of course, the deeper implication of that is that you can eliminate identification with those thought forms and be sure, so you can be the consciousness instead of the thought form, otherwise, if you say ah, I must not dance, you can still get trapped in the mind.

I must love my neighbor as myself, no, you have to get out of the thought form in order to be. present with your neighbor, give to your neighbor neighbor means anyone gives their neighbor full and spacious attention and that is the love that comes from that, so they are not traditionally Christians, perhaps because they did not understand that the original message of Jesus was deep enough to try. be loving at the level of thought forms, but you cannot, you have to come out of the thought forms that create condemnation and criticism and be the underlying consciousness and then you meet the other in that field of consciousness and you in that field of consciousness you are united to each human being you feel you feel the Unity because the separation is created by believing in each concept that in each concept there is a small barrier his judgment the condemnations are great what do you say? um, I mean, I understand this a lot, I'm sure you do too, you know all the bad things that are happening to good people, I mean, you know, accidents, illnesses, the economy, I mean all the things that people are so full of fear that to me it is creating a lot of unnecessary diseases in our society.

Yes, a big challenge lies ahead. Some challenges occur at an individual level and sometimes in certain periods of time there are large numbers of people facing similar situations. challenges in the country or a group of countries and life is not even meant to be free of challenges, it is the challenges that have a purpose. Many of them, of course, are produced by egoic consciousness, but if you look at it from a higher perspective, even the egoic consciousness that produces suffering and dysfunction on the planet in collective and individual lives even ultimately has its place. in the transition to a higher state of consciousness because eventually the ego creates so much suffering and challenges that it self-destructs and awakens. because you can't take any more of the suffering that happened to me, even though a lot of the suffering seems to be related to this whole business of greed and money and economics, and you know the dysfunction our world seems to be in right now. which seems to be almost as if, it is a crisis moving towards a crisis point, and again I think that is connected to the Awakening of Consciousness because it is only when the crisis is reached that a new level can be reached.

I think it probably applies to all species, even at lower levels of development, for example, I think there are some biologists who say that too when they say that life began in the sea and at some point moved to land. I don't think any fish would do it. voluntarily jumping onto land and starting to crawl is too difficult, but if a fish lives, if there is a large area of ​​water that suddenly shrinks for a long, long period of time, suddenly the fish is forced to move to the earth and then to some other place. At that moment, an animal is forced to develop wings and fly because a crisis has been reached and then a leap occurs to a different level of Consciousness among humans, it is Consciousness and that is where we are now, where egoic Consciousness comes into being. is becoming increasingly dysfunctional or comparative. to a caterpillar that is nearing the end of its lifespan as a caterpillar when crawling becomes increasingly difficult before it was fine the caterpillar was a caterpillar but now it is nearing the end of its lifespan says oh I can't move anymore this is terrible , but yes, because you are destined to reach an entity to metamorphose whatever into a butterfly and, again, the egoic Consciousness creates more and more havoc on the planet.

What happens individually? I'm thinking about myself, yeah, and um, what kind of growth things have taken place for me and how quickly I mean, I think we can accelerate this evolutionary thing, especially within our own cells, I mean, for me, I can, I can, I can go to Very specific Moments in my life, when I look back at them now from the age I am now, I can remember an event that happened in 1974 when I was sent to my father's grave. My father abandoned us. He abandoned us. I was in a series of foster homes and orphanages, etc., until I was 10 years old.

I grew up with rage within anger, only bitterness, and so, through a series of incredibly mystical and impossible to explain circumstances, I ended up in my father's grave. I didn't even know that he was dead and that he was sent there and one afternoon on August 27, 2000 or 1974. My whole life was transformed and all I did was stand there at his grave. I had gone there to his grave to do something else on his grave because it was so full and every night I dreamed that I would be full of rage and so on and um when I got to his grave something took over me, it was overwhelming, we just did a movie. about this called my best teacher Hay House will publish it soon but it was like they told me to go back and forgive and I just sat at his grave and sobbed and sobbed and I remember saying out loud and I knew something Something very magical was happening to me, mysterious and mystical that I couldn't identify and I told this man I had never seen in my life except when I was just a baby.

From this moment on I send you love I send you for I forgive you, I let you go, you know and Mark Twain said you know when you forgive someone you know that Forgiveness said it is the fragrance that the Violet pours on the heel that has crushed him and if you can send fragrance from there. of rage and that anger and I walked away from that experience I will never forget it I returned to New York I was teaching at a university I rented a car dad went to Florida and I wrote a book called your wrong zones in 14 days by hand from start to finish and today It has like 55 million countries in 47 languages ​​around the world and my whole life when I was just practicing I forgave this with Juan de Dios with this leukemia when I first got it I thought it wouldn't cancer, you know, I help other people who have cancer and it has transformed their lives and it happened, it's like it's the process, maybe it's because I'm getting older or whatever, I just sped it up and went from a lot more ego to just pure love. pure love for everyone and everything I encounter and my children will tell you the people who are close to me in life will tell you that they say my father has changed he is just I mean he loves everyone and everything and he doesn't know how not to stop do that and that happened, I mean, and I was wondering what's going to happen this afternoon, I mean, it's like how quickly you know, you know what I mean, it's like, I think we can if we change even Christianity if we change it. out of I am the crucifixion and all the suffering all the things that are wrong and all the pain and all the images of that to what Jesus really said what he says I mean God the resurrection I am the resurrected being I don't know that I think we can all resurrect ourselves in a huge way, but the crucifixion actually points to that because the crucifixion arises from the crucifixion, so the crucifixion is the seemingly terrible thing that happens to a human being;

In our case, it was abandoned. like a child being put into storms or the illness now the seemingly timid thing that Grace is actually hiding there the moment you come to a place of acceptance of how you did it with forgiveness and how you did it again with the illness, then grace and that is the resurrection, the crucifixion is the abandonment, the crucifixion is the illness and the surrender and then the peace that comes and the connection with the source that comes then that is the grace that is hidden there in every moment when they seem terrible things happen.

Yeah, that's what I wanted you to address, thank you, thank you, and now we'll see how the audience contributes here. Our first question. I'm curious how you understand the power of intention and positive thinking, both of which have been very valuable. Me with the idea of ​​going beyond the Mind completely. I just met another being in my life. I encourage you to look for it. Her name is Anita murjani m-o-o-r-j-a-n-i and you can Google her and see her in some interviews, but she was taken to a hospital in Hong Kong in 2005. with end-stage lymphoma, she weighed 82 pounds, I think she said, and all her organs had shut down and her husband and herfamily were there and they were waiting for his last breath, no one who has ever been in that stage the cancer has ever come back and he survived and he encountered the spiritual Consciousness of God, the dial um and they told him that he had the option to go back to his body, which I didn't want to do because I was in such divine peace.

She talks about it so brilliantly that she has written a book coming out in March I also wrote the trailer it's called dying to be me and she came into my life at the perfect and right Divine moment and in answer to that question one of the things that He said he learned there is that when he returned one of the things he wanted to do because in four days his tumors had shrunk by 70 percent they told him that if he returned to his body he would be cured and then he saw it cured because there is no time he could see the future and the past at the same time she said there is no such thing as even past lives when I asked her about that she said how can there be a past life when there is no time um they are just parallel lives she said that's the best I can do with that, it's just that everything is parallel, but what she came back and what she teaches and she is so div that I just spent, I put her on my public television special, I really want the world to get her message she said what came back is that you don't have to be positive she said I was positive all my life I was I was always trying to please people and be as positive as possible she said no It's not about being positive It's not about being right It's not about winning It's not about being better than anyone It's about simply being yourself and treasuring your magnificence If you could look in a mirror and realize who you are, it's not what's staring back at you in the mirror you have form, but who you are is infinite, divine and perfect, and if you could live from that place, she said, you know it will transcend everything.

Of all the fears, all the worries, all the illnesses and so on that we have on our planet, you just have to be yourself, who you are and that's what I talked about when we came here, the difference between being ordinary and extraordinary. Extraordinary encompasses the ordinary we all follow the rules in one way or another and fill out the forms, but extraordinary means that I treasure my magnificence, who I am in every moment I have. That's the power of intention, which is something I wrote, and the power of now. which is something you wrote, it's really about analyzing everything, just treasuring your own perfect magnificence.

Yes, to be extraordinary is to be awake, to be an awakened being, not to move in the dreamland of complete identification with thought, but to be aware of being present. That's the extraordinary thing is consciousness, you are that consciousness and then the thought that arises from that is a different kind of thought, it's not the thought that you really need to decide. I'm going to think that kind of thought now. You should try to be positive, it is no longer necessary, the thought becomes more powerful and arises from consciousness, and in that consciousness, for example, occurs when I give a talk and, of course, many of you will also experience it. to a certain extent in certain situations the words come they are not premeditated they are not prepared I do not know as a person what will be the next word that comes out of here then the word The words that are verbalized thoughts, the thoughts come out of the field of conscious presence and that is why Jesus said that when you don't need to know what to say beforehand, he says that the holy spirit will tell you what to say, it moves through you and then the thought actually also becomes more powerful and then the one Consciousness can also create through thoughts that come through you and can create things in this world that you could never have thought of before things came into my life.

I couldn't if I had been practicing positive thinking at some point in my life. I did too, but I couldn't even have imagined things like that, so I really must rest in the source consciousness of Source and then you will see that the dysfunctional nature of thought that is there when you don't rest in the stillness of being, then that is It eliminates, it is eliminated and the thoughts that arise are then fresh and alive, many fewer thoughts come because all that mental noise is gone, the burden is a continuous conversation in your head. Continuously criticizing, judging and complaining, that is still the normal state of many people, to have that in that field of consciousness, that if everything is not dissolved at once, then fewer thoughts come, but they are fresh and alive, they make a difference in people's lives and therefore our main task is again what Jesus maybe we are talking about, please again Martha and Mary trying to get busy, get to doing things, prepare meals, come on, Help me do this, make that walk and Mary is sitting listening to Jesus, not just listening, she is interested. oh and Martha says come help me we have things to do there is a lot to do and Jesus says don't worry Mary has chosen the best part just the only thing that matters and she is really talking about the basis which is being and then the doing will come to take care of itself you don't become inactive but that's the point of rest and that's the Dao again they do nothing and everything is done you don't get the feeling that I'm doing it anymore when you're writing um, is it the same when you're writing? you write like me, you write by hand.

I write by hand on a yellow notepad. I wear white, oh, but I'm only number three, so taking notes, you'll go down, but. It's not the same way you were as you described what you were talking about. I was thinking I just wrote a whole book without an outline, I'm serious, I just sat down every day for four or five hours a day. I would just sit and whether he came or not didn't make any difference. I was there and the writing was just yes, everything is channeled, I mean, everything is coming, yes, you have to be there to have this, the space is there. you're there, you're the space for it to happen and some days nothing comes and then you have to be okay with it, you just sit there and nothing comes, okay, the next day nothing comes and suddenly it's an avalanche.

Yeah, but you're saying there's nothing coming, but what people will ask me is this thing called writer's block, um, that's not writer's block, it's just the joy of being there and realizing that writing is not what It happens today, it's so joyful if you can't accept that nothing is coming, then it's like a block, yeah right, it's so peaceful and that's a new way of writing for me and yeah, and I actually sent it when I did the John of got. The story of Juan de Dios that I wrote, I decided to write it in its entirety and put it in the book and I sent it to my editor.

She's been editing everything I've written, it's 37 books since 1971. Okay and um she called me and told me who wrote this I told her what do you mean she said well there's like 17 or 18 pages here and it's not in your handwriting. um she said what do you mean it's not in my handwriting she said well the slant is different the shape of the letters is different the wording is different you didn't cross anything out because I'm writing if I don't like something I just cross it out and write something she said it is and she said and I can't edit any of that, it's just and literally something that was there when I started telling the work, the entities that came into my body and did this healing and sent this disease and replaced it with love, um, they were also part of my writing it was so sweet and magical and I framed one of the pages there because I had never written like that before.

My lyrics never went this way and the shape of them and everything else was like something. it just came in and took control and just allowed it to arise, that's what can happen, Eckert, you're talking about this spiritual type of inner Awakening with the formless and so on, but it translates into so many changes that can happen in your life that that of paying attention and being amazed. I'm just amazed by it all. I mean, I did a yoga class before I came here. I'm amazed that at 71 years old I can get in. 105 degree room temperature and doing 90 minutes of yoga and going outside and feeling great and sitting with Eckhart Tolle and talking to thousands of people around the world, that's it, all of it blows me away in every detail and all these faces, all these nods, all this love here and even being with you is um, it's so wonderful to have this closeness together, yeah, yeah, yeah, it really is God bless you, yeah, a question from our online audience.

I wrote since you are very popular and successful, how can you stay humble and in touch with common people in certain situations and not let your ego take over? It's very tempting. This person imagines getting the best table in a restaurant. The best of all. the material world Etc. So how do you stay humble? I will answer well, as Woody Allen said. Being a celebrity has its advantages. It gets you a good table in restaurants. The answer really is what I said not long ago. 10 minutes. I mentioned earlier about not internally accepting a conceptual sense of self that maybe the world is telling you who you are, so I remain humble, but I didn't say: I drop it like a hot potato, no, I don't want to carry that. a conceptual identity because well, I have experienced in my life how much suffering comes into your life when you live from a conceptual identity in your head of who you are, some idea in your head of who you are.

I know that is the beginning of deception. and I'm not going to have it, so it's an internal decision, it's to leave it and, on a practical level, I still go often. I still do my own shopping. I go to the supermarket, it's a normal life, nothing extraordinary in the daily. existence so it's um yeah that's how it happens and I know how it happens to you but now you're going to talk about it um you know that you feel more comfortable being alone and because you know in the course it says if you knew who walked next to you At every moment on this path that you have chosen, you could never again experience fear or doubt and when you are, I guess you come to a place where you know you are not alone and the things that everyone thinks they would do because they would be rich and famous like Wayne Dyer or Ecker Tolerate um when you get to that place you don't want it honestly you don't want it I um give you almost everything I get and I have children who are very willing to help me with those eight um I have almost nothing I mean everything coming.

I don't want gifts when people send them to me, I just donate them and ask my kids, please don't send me gifts on Christmas and birthdays and all that, just think of someone else somewhere who can use it more and give it to them, and I don't want to say that because I'm so altruistic I'm just not attached to um anymore honestly, I tell my kids and the people I love that I don't even feel attached to this world anymore. I really don't feel it anymore. I see that I get a lot of adulation and adoration and it's wonderful um but I don't take any of that seriously I don't want things um it's just um I prefer a one night stand even when I'm traveling and I'm talking or whatever and they have some kind of meeting for me or a good restaurant you rarely see me in a good restaurant or in any restaurant is that I prefer to be with the people I love close to me and um or alone with God and for me an afternoon to meditate and be silent and read or just live on this beach for a good part of the year and um on Kanapali Beach here on Maui and I look out.

I am so blessed. I look at this ocean. I watch the whales. I swim. every day in the ocean I talk to the whales I listen to them I swim with turtles out there these big sea turtles I have names for them I know Mark's marks on them I spend a lot of time and just walking calmly and meditating and doing yoga I mean this and make a difference and everything that comes into my life I just go through and no, I don't even want to talk about what I do for others because I don't, I don't do it. about bragging or talking about how wonderful I am.

I do almost everything anonymously. um, but I mean it's been a long time. I have two over the years with Oprah Winfrey. I mean, she's said it many times. that people like us, I mean, she came out of the poverty of the deep south, you came out, you didn't come out of wealth, I mean, you struggled a lot when you were young or you knew about hunger, etc., like when these things When they come to me, I'm attached to it and, um, and the most ironic thing about it is that the more I'm that way and the less I'm inclined towards my ego and stuff and who I am and the more stuff it just keeps coming, it comes in larger and larger quantities and It allows me to do more and more.

Oprah has told me the same thing. I'm sure she told you personally too. You know, I get on a plane and I sit in a seat and I see a short woman with a bag trying to put it on top and I just sit there and thank God for the opportunity to get up and put it in the overhead bin for her. Now I do not know. yeah it sounds weird to you but I feel like and it happens to me almost every time I'm on a plane a little lady that she just can't reach and I think, oh, this is so great that I can reach up and put her back up there, so I think all the opportunities that are presented to you to serve Him are the joy that you leave this place and I also remember that there is no luggage rack in a hearse, it's okay, that's it, there is nothing to take us, that, who we are is just that that continues to occupy All these bodies and why they keep changing are not real and that is what Anita Anita discoveredmorjani uh in her near death experience who today is totally cancer free beyond Miracles they sent her case all over the world to all the cancer cases that no one has ever had She ever came back from that and she's back talking about Bliss, perfect Joy, the recognition of that higher consciousness that you speak of so beautifully in your latest book about the new Earth.

She is a higher consciousness when you come to a place like when you are in your dreams Thoreau said that you are most enlightened when you are in your waking dreams when you are a waking dreamer because in your dream for a third of your life in your dream everything you have What to do is put your attention on what it is that you would like to have and it is there if you want a new Mercedes in your driveway you don't have to get up and down call the problem get dressed drive the car test it find the money to pay for it you don't have to do Just put your attention on that and if you want your grandmother to return, who has been dead for 20 years, she is there.

Anita's father was there with her telling her that it is not your time. If you pass by here, you can not go back, but you can still come back and you still have something to do to teach something, so she put her Consciousness on her father and while he was in a coma for 30 hours she watched her brother get on a plane in India to fly. to Hong Kong to be with her on her last breath she was able to see him on the plane higher consciousness I think we can do this when we are far away higher consciousness is anything I put my attention on I become me it is not something that is different for me It is not something that is separate from me everything I have to do from a place of God realized love and you become that whatever you are putting your attention on you do it for a third of your life and you can do it in the other two thirds I also think that's my reaction, right, thank you, this questioner asks.

I have contemplated what the meaning of life is and I cannot find it. It seems to have no real meaning or purpose other than to enjoy it as much as you can, but in the end your life is as insignificant as the life of an aunt or a blade of grass and awakening does not happen for everyone, so awakening to self-realization cannot be the meaning either. Could you both comment on that to remind me? a little bit of the Old Testament book of Ecclesiastes that begins with vanity of vanities, all their vanity, how that got into the Bible.

I don't know, it's a beautiful piece of literature and it's obviously written by someone who is very tired of life and has seen it. everything and you really can't find any real meaning in it because you are looking for meaning at the level of Mental Concepts and if you look for meaning at the level of Mental Concepts all you can find are temporary transitional things, belief structures, belief systems. Even that may be satisfying for a while, but sooner or later your belief system will clash with reality and lead to suffering, so seeking the Real, the true meaning of life cannot be found in the beginning of our talk. which we mention because in Miracles they say that your understanding is not a powerful contribution to the truth and we also mentioned oh no, maybe I didn't mention that a Zen master, a little Zen story to illustrate this again, the disciple no, the Zen master he asks the disciple in his usual way.

In a seemingly fierce way you understand Zen when the disciple says no teacher, I don't know and the teacher says neither do I, it's not like that, it's not like that, you cannot understand them through conceptual understanding and you cannot find the meaning of the life through conceptual understanding. understanding, if you are able to give up your desire to understand conceptually and access that in you that is beyond Concepts, then you will find the meaning of life, but you may not be able to say what it is. The question arises from what you said so beautifully that evaluates, you use your five senses to determine your reality and the greatest gift that you have been given is the gift of your imagination and in your imagination there is absolutely no sense necessary, that is why with leukemia I don't pay attention to what it is. it says in any way or what the numbers show or something like that.

I know that in my imagination I can place the words I'm fine, I'm in perfect health and um and I can determine the validity of that and the veracity of that for myself in the on the basis of how I feel, just on the basis of how I feel. , because if you look at life the way the question comes to us, what is the meaning of life?, meaning of life, what happens from the moment of our conception to the moment of our death. but life itself in that place is nothing more than a terminal sexually transmitted disease, that's it, that's life, that's how we get here, that's how we end up, but I love The Poets and Emily Dickinson was one of my very favorites and in his lectures he took a handful of dust and said that this silent dust was gentlemen and ladies and boys and girls it was laughter and skill and sighs and dresses and curls this passive place an agile summer mansion where they bloom and the bees completed their circuit oriental and then they ceased like this this that is not life that is just dust life is that which continues to occupy that which continues to turn into dust and once you get it and once you know it and once you make conscious contact with it you know Melville said you know that the only voice of God is silence, that is why meditation is such an important part of what we both teach.

I've written a whole book about it, a lot of your book and the power of now is about silence, it's about meditation. about you know how to understand what this is, it's the silence between the notes that makes the music, you know it's the space between the bars that holds the tiger, it's like it's from every word you're hearing me speak right now, it comes out of silence. comes out of the Void, okay, here it is silent and now it comes out of the Void. I remember interviewing the Red Hot Chili Peppers once for something on VH1 and one of the um, the drummer Francioni, I think John Francioni is something like that.

My father was a judge there and he was a drug addict. At some point he was out of it and said that when you write music, he said the most important thing to remember is that everything comes from the mind. The silence and the silence is more important than the note, you know because it was all note, there's no music like uh uh, there's no music in that, you have to pause and it's getting into the gap that you mentioned, the gap between your thoughts. , that is. that's where life is and apparently this is even the well, if Deepak was here he could talk about this.

I can't, but apparently even atoms appear and disappear from existence exactly, so there is always nothing and then formless form, so uh. That is really so, the balanced life must embody the two forms, the temporal form, recognize it as temporal, but still love it as a temporal expression of the Timeless, so we do not need to despise it as if it were something like that. traditions you despise the body Christianity did that sometimes even but Buddhism occasionally in some traditions does it but but to appreciate beautiful forms but you can only really appreciate them when you can feel that which is beyond the form and then you recognize it in the other , there is a beautiful way of saying that is to love, they say to love the Creator in the Creator, then the Creator really is that one, the formless being, then what you love in the other is, ultimately, true love, in last resort, always. the right formless spirit is yes and it's uh and I even refer to Jesus' words again, he said the flesh counts for nothing, he was talking about his own flesh and the flesh counts for nothing, it's the spirit that gives life. and when he said it is only through me that you will know the father he was not talking about the flesh he said that it does not count for anything he was talking about the I am that is in him and in all of us and that is the I of which he speaks Yes, that is the end, you know, I mean, we look, we want a short and sweet answer, so we take a quiz, what is the meaning of life?

You know and here is the answer. If I had to give a short answer, it would be just to treasure your magnificence and live. God I realized I only have two more questions. Okay, this question is directed at Wayne, but I think it would be wonderful if you both discussed who Wayne is. You talk about killing the ego and destroying it. Is it that possible or even? necessary, can the ego be good too? I've gone back and forth about this a lot in my life and the problem with me is that I have everything I feel about what I've written so it's all out there, someone will say you said this. and it was a long period of time when I said that the ego is not worth defending because, to me, it is an acronym for eliminating God, so we just expel God from our lives and I think I always say that when the baby is born after nine months of nothing anyone can do, everything is taken care of by God or the Dao or the Spirit or the Divine mind and then if no one does anything, this perfect being comes out and we look at it and say, great job, God. will take over from here and in the process of taking over we teach like we were all taught, we teach people to be common, you know, who was raised to believe was God, someone once said that the reason why That Jesus turned out so well was because his mother was really convinced that he was the son of God, when you're a virgin and you have a baby, you're really convinced, so it's this ego thing, I don't think it's worth defending, but I don't?

I don't know how to get out of this. The only time I come out of this is when I'm in deep meditation and it's only for a few seconds. I will go. I'll feel like it's gone. um and it's okay everything is okay I think you're out of this really yeah it's not um I just feel more love and peace I don't even feel more love I just feel like I'm love I really feel like that's what I am and it's not the ego that speaks, isn't it? No, no means no, but every once in a while I want to go after the people who are above me on that list.

Do you know where that came from? Well, that's a good example of how quickly it happens. it can go back it can change it very well very well and when it does you have to be compassionate with yourself there it is again when you recognize it it's not really one hundred percent the ego when you know that some type of behavior is egoically motivated and you recognize it, yes, still It is an egoically motivated behavior, but there is also an awareness underneath and that is because it is a transition stage from going from being totally dominated by the ego to freeing yourself from the ego, it is beginning to recognize the ego in yourself strictly speaking, the Real ego operates on people who have no idea about ego, darling, they are, so the people who most need to learn about ego are not here where they belong, right where they belong, so it's the real the the the real ego is that you have no idea that you are totally identified with every reaction with every thought with every emotion you just become that, that is the ego, but when you know that there is something in you, when you know that is the anger that arises when you know that suddenly there is a current of negative thought, so it is still an egoic trait, but it is no longer really the ego because you are there as the witness presence.

The observer becomes the observer and then our final question should I set goals for my life and if so, what kind of goals would each of you value? A little conflict, um again. I wrote some textbooks in the early '70s talking about the importance of goals and I can't take them all back, but I think it's a you know, you go. I look at my children and they are some of them. They're in college now and some of them are out and they're worried about what they're going to major in and trying to set a goal and um I just tell them to try to enjoy every moment and just let yourself be guided I think that's great great advice to be.

Father, you know, it's just a guide, so step aside and recognize that we all have the anchor of the universe located within us, that's what Laosue said, it's in each of us and let yourself go with it, let yourself go. go with it instead of letting your individual ego be there saying this is what I'm going to do and you know it's like Arthur Miller, the great playwright, who was asked the question that in an interview in the New York Times He was 91 years old and they told him: are you working on another work? and he said, um, I don't know, he said, but I probably am and I understood exactly what he meant, I mean, I just finished writing a book.

That I put a year of my life into this wish came true and last night I called the president of Hay House, my best friend, Ree Tracy, and told her that there is an idea germinating inside of me that I think will eventually become a book that will not know. I know, I even know it. It's starting to excite me and I have often been called the father of motivation around the world, they have this title that they put next to me and I always say that if I have to be the father of something more than the Los eight children that I have, I would choose to be the father of inspiration because I think it is the opposite of motivation.

Motivation is when you take an idea and take it where you believe you can take it with your goals and obstacles. that are coming, you are going to go through them, you are going to make this happen and that is the motivation, you get an idea, inspiration is an idea thatIt catches you and takes you where you were supposed to go. before you were conceived, I can't imagine you when you were a little kid in Germany, you were thinking about being one of the most famous authors in the world, I mean, and how it all happens and what comes next for you. and like you said, even I don't even know what words are going to come out next, it's uh being for me, it's just being completely immersed in the now and surrendering, just turning it around, this is what I do, I turn it around and The most amazing things happen when you turn it around, that's when God comes into your life, that's when that's what Carl Jung called synchronicity.

You have almost like a collaboration with faith, you let everything unfold when, in the middle of your writing, I don't know if it happens to you, but you know there will be something that I'm not sure about or whatever and suddenly I go to the email or someone picks up the phone and it will be there. and it's like after a while you almost start counting on them, you start to realize that no, you don't have to do anything, you can just let it come to you, um, yeah, so I don't think you can be totally sure. free of goals like uh you know I have to go to the bathroom um so I'm going to aim to go to the bathroom you know I'm in.

I don't think I can totally get out of that goal place, but um in general in my life I just let it be. I think the Beatles were right when you find yourself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me telling me words of wisdom let it be let it be let it be let it be let it be there will be an answer so be it I don't know that's my theme what a beautiful song it is simple and profound like you I don't have any goal except very short-lived like having to leave tomorrow I have to my goal is for tomorrow to come here to do this to do that I think there is a time in some people's lives when it is a place for goals but what is important is the nature of the goal and if it arises from inspiration as you call it or Vision that comes to you of something that wants to be created through you it could be a book.

When The Power of Now came to me I suddenly felt this need to write, I bought a yellow notebook and started writing the first line and in that The moment I knew it was a book and I knew what it was about, it was very different. of the kind of informal writing that I had written before over the years, sometimes after sitting with people in a session called counseling sessions, doing meditation with small groups, I would sometimes say things and then write them down because this was also new to me, but I said things I didn't know before they came out, so it was more informal writing and suddenly a flow of energy came out in a very different kind of more empowered writing and from the first moment I knew it was a book, so in that sense you could say that I suddenly had the vision of writing a book, you could say that I had the goal of producing a book, but it wasn't something that came with the promise of giving me some kind of personal fulfillment of some way so that I can become famous through that or I can make money through that or I can become powerful so that people listen to me.

Sir, these could have been motivations for writing a book, but it was more like a realization of something that wants to be born and then you help it, you move forward with it, you become a channel through which what wants to be born comes. can use your mind, can use your thoughts, so it is in that sense that one can have a goal and the important thing is not to be alert so that the ego does not take over your goal because the ego, although you have it, it is possible that you have insight, you may not be completely free of ego yet, so at some point the ego can take over and a good sign that the ego has taken over is if you get stressed while doing it or become So Bhagavad-gita teaches beautifully that you are attached to the fruit of Your action, you are attached to the result, you need the result to be a certain way and that is the unconscious state and that is where goal setting actually makes you unconscious, so The expression used in the bhagavad-gita is a spiritual practice of taking action, including perhaps having goals but never becoming attached to the results;

In other words, you enjoy doing it in the now, the now is still more important than where you want to go if that changes. If where you want to go is more important than now, that is the deception that arises and you lose yourself in what you do, that is the terrible thing, so in the enjoyment of doing and with the enjoyment also comes the Power that flows in it. so that doing is not a means to an end, yes you have a goal, but your attention is on the now and enjoying the energy that flows into the doing and then it becomes stronger and then the goal takes care of itself .

Jesus said the same thing. Don't worry about the moral, tomorrow will take care of itself and the goal will take care of itself and again be rooted in that deep place of beingness or consciousness, so you don't need the result to give you. some supreme sense of satisfaction or who you are tells you who you are I want to become a famous author so I'm writing this book which is a recipe for dissatisfaction and I remember telling people when I was writing the book and by the way people told me that you are writing about them, now think about something else that has been done so many times, they are old things that now Ramdas wrote about it a long time ago and several people said to think about something else, but I couldn't and so on.

Now I wanted it to be written about and I remember telling people that I don't really care how many people buy the book and if no one wants it, I'm fine with that. I don't know why I said what I said. I said if no one wants it then I'll just make a living selling tomatoes and I meant it. I wanted to sell, I would sell tomatoes and live simply, but the book wanted to be written, but no. I'm not going to look in the book for some kind of final realization on a personal level, that's what I believe and I think it's important as we close that, that when you get to that place you know the times I said when you're inspired. for some great purpose some extraordinary project that all your thoughts break their bonds that your mind transcends limitations your Consciousness expands in all directions and you find yourself in a new, great and wonderful world and then he said latent forces, which is what you were talking about of things that you thought were dead and latent forces, faculties and talents come to life and you discover that you are a greater person by fire than you ever dreamed of being when you discover that you are God and these latent forces simply follow you and take care of you. of it for you I think it's the best definition I've heard about success.

I've used it all my life. I did a whole PBS show in Concord, Massachusetts. I lay in this man's bed so that his energy could settle. his desk um felt a great identification with Henry David Thoreau who was imprisoned for not paying us taxes to a government that was doing what they were doing to the Native Americans of men of true conscience great definition a good way to end this I think he said that If you move confidently in the direction of your own dreams and strive to live the life you have imagined you will find unexpected success in ordinary hours it will haunt you that is how it works for me and it seems that that is how it works for you too thank you very much