Titanforge Podcast 156 - Dragonflight Launch & S1 M+ Meta

Tuttle is talking about assigning people and your guilds is to get the guaranteed best eye level versions of these crafts, especially when it's when you're doing your heroic or mythic eye level, you want someone who is specialized enough to using the finishing reagents in your crafts, so having it as someone in the Guild is definitely a much safer way to make sure everything is done correctly. Furthermore, we want people to have the same level. three quality belts or level three quality bracelets for the adorned items as well or like the next one from um uh or like the next one and things like that so we really want high quality things as well as high quality equipment in or like the web, I think.

The weapon is something we're all looking at too because basically from the beginning it seems like the weapon doesn't scale that well. Like some of the other things that happen at the end of the game, but getting a weapon at a high level of the eyes so early and just burning your double creation sparks seems like it's going to be a decent value, but we want it to be a quality three, right? a lot of quality one and quality two, so we have people who specialize in those parts, which is so stupid, yeah, um, the Sparks, it costs two of them to make your two-handed model and you'll get two Sparks.

December 13th and then you'll have another one like December 24th or something like that, or December 26th, something like that, but just uh, just looking at it completely anecdotally for lunar leukocytes, it seemed like the gun was a little bit closed. , so it seemed that way. behind some of the other options, um, some of the others, like two slot options, but if you get a weapon like you, if you just made a weapon early, it's much better and then it doesn't really matter because it's so close. and even the weapon is like, at least for Moon, the best thing in the slot's single target and drops a little in AOE, but not enough for you to be upset about having a crafted weapon, yeah, and I want too ideally a guild that you want to assign to make sure that you don't want everyone to have a correct weapon because you want to have someone who does it and soaks up good drops of mythic staff mythic or whatever the raid has good.

I heard you. I have a friend from the show, Corey, he assigned you some career stuff, yeah, we have, we've been figuring out how we want everything to be covered, yeah, yeah, you have this whole week to finish your profession weeklies too, so still you have to make decisions. You have a couple of days to sort this all out, uh, for yourself or your guilds, uh, it's definitely an intimidating system, although I heard they disabled it, yeah, thing, uh, yeah, they did it right, yeah, like it was halfway through that spell. then i pressed it again and it didn't work.

I thought there is no experimentation, yes, so you could log back in to reset the cooldown of your experimentation. Yeah, it's not great, because when it exploded you couldn't. you could do it again for the next four hours, but you could log back in and it would be erased and yeah, they fixed it, um, yeah, well, they fixed it by disabling it, yeah, I guess that's what they've been doing right. I've just been turning something off, fixing it, and then turning it back on every time they find something broken, um, okay, another thing to talk about, there's war mode gear, uh, if you do war mode and you get the damn tokens on kills players, I don't care much, but you get a little, but opening the worst fly boxes, killing assassins, and doing world quests that give you blood tokens that can get you 366 gear from the PvP vendor very easily and doesn't cost many blood tokens per a. of these pieces of equipment and there is a set bonus associated with them, plus the two pieces have an additional 105 versatility, so at least having two of these pieces is probably this for the time being until you can get to know them as 380. more equipment, so that's something that if you just turn on war mode and then you don't have to fight anyone, just like when a worse fly box drops in your area, you can go check it out and see if it won't have any competition and if it is well, so you know, what else PvP gear is there?

I heard there is also PvP gear you can get, yes, so 366 War Mode gear can be upgraded to 385 using Conflict Trophies that don't seem to be available yet, but maybe they come from weekly War Mode missions that maybe they start next week or the week after and then there's also conquest and heroic or conquest and honor gear that uh all the PvP gear raises the eye level in PvP but I think. conquest gear could also be reasonably good in the short term and also in PVE, but the thing is you can't win Conquest until raid opens and M plus opens and then there's no way that's a better use of the time than M plus and uh PVE like raid, so at least from where I'm sitting I don't think it's an Arena season at all to Phoebe's ears, but the war mode she suffers from doesn't seem good, it doesn't seem like it, yeah , there is also the ring uh 389, yes, which Teles made a video about and everyone knew about it in an hour, yes, uh, tell us that you want to talk about your Discovery, so in the upper section of Azure there is like a representative of cobalt assembly, the heart is a very good part of Sorry, really annoying, now in the top level of Azure, there is like a rep called cobalt assembly rep and basically you just kill these mobs and they lose the rep from the Cobalt assembly, but you have to lose them to get it and then you can. to buy a ring at eye level 389 once you reach level four the ring doesn't appear as the cobalt assembly quartermaster until you reach level four but it's still nice to get it it seems like the process is like but.

That's great and it doesn't work for melee damage. I don't think the ring is particularly strong, however, it's one of those situations where it allows you to trade m0 as rings with other players, which can also be pretty cool. it just increases your eye level more than any other item at the moment and also the tank ring is apparently very good, the shield activates quite well, yes you can too, there is a way to increase it. the amount of reputation you are earning with the Cobalt build as well. I think once you're level two with the Cobalt construct you can, yeah, there's a tech tree where you can use the supplies from the dragon hallway to do research, yeah, yeah.

You guys like how it was like a better tour guest and we only spent about 30 minutes there and then we were done with it for good. Yeah God, I missed tour gas so much, man, yeah, it feels like it's been so long, yeah, um, but yeah, I mean. On top of that, there's really nothing super urgent to do in these first two weeks, so there are rare items you can clear, there are rare objects you can clear in the Azure interval, uh, for some nice tradable loot, there's, I'm not going to say which one. rare is or what item it is, but there's an item right now that instead of having toughness it has an extra crit and that thing is really good, so it's a fun little secret to go and kill rares and see if you can get that item.

If you're a leather user, if you're a leather user, you can get that belt to be around item level 440, I think because it has a lot of extra secondary stats instead of stamina, so what's good? I would really enjoy it. driving so far, but my God, something really strange has happened to them. Yeah, no, I'm not going to say the name of the item, I'm not going to say the name of the rare item, I'm just saying there's a cool item out there that I probably won't keep having, but. as secondary instead of resistance. I can't believe you're hiding all these secrets, yeah, also just dreamers.

Men's dreadlocks are not at all about the guys, yeah, um, and then yeah, that's it, that's all, but whatever you want doing the disclaimer. There's a lot of content, but none of it rewards the player's life power or anything. There's nothing like tour guest or Soul Ash or anything like that so yeah like sockets or Cydia or anything yeah right sockets like because we were into the mod this time the last expansion because sockets would be nice in six weeks, there is absolutely nothing you can do now that will be good in six weeks, none of that, yeah, it's good that you know that you don't have to resort to legendary crafting stuff. you know, going on the tour or doing them all, it's good, yeah, if that's something you want to talk about, yeah, I was going to say: I wonder how people will remember this expansion, because a lot of people that's considered content and they would . people just see if it's a scam.

Would people see this expansion as a lack of content? I know a lot of us love this, but I'm sure there are also a lot of people who just log in and say, what do I do now? After just playing for a couple of hours, I mean, I look at it like you're allowed to go, there's nothing mandatory you have to do, you can go up to alternate levels or whatever and the real content comes out in two weeks, right? TRUE? I see this. like a buffer time where you can go and just level up your professions.

I refer to professions as a system that is enough content for a player to do all day if he really wants to. Professions are also crazy right now. Yeah, I mean, and there's dragon racing, there's world quests, there's a renowned track that unlocks as renowns five through ten for most of the main factions and gives you a ton of new quests and world content, now nothing of That gives you power like tour gas. you did it right so you don't it's not on your daily checklist of things you have to do so for players who logged into wow to clear their daily checklist and had a good feeling doing it , so yes, the daily checklist.

It's very light this expansion, huh, but unlike Wad, which was last time, it wasn't really important, like power stuff, to do well this time, it's important that there are fun things that you can do, that there's content like the Dragon Eyes, which are full. of quests and stuff, so I hope there aren't too many people who don't like it this way because I definitely prefer it that way too, but I'm a little worried, like you, dummy, that there will be some people who, uh, you I know, yeah, what I have to revert would be Legion at the beginning, right?

Guys, remember how at the beginning of Legion people played a lot? Yeah, I remember people saying the first month was super fun. but then, like when the second and third month came around, when people started to feel, oh, this is too much. I just remember that the first month of Legion was like hell because it felt like you were required to farm each and every world quest. AP swoops and stuff like that, yeah, it was good. I wanted to be able to log in and always have something to do to strengthen your character, like in Legion, that was always possible, whereas in Dragonflight, I mean, it's just like going around. and kill everywhere that's available like those weirdos are dropping yeah team 376 go go get it that'll make your guy better but it's not it's definitely not the same as AP always being valuable , I mean, it was like a permanent advantage.

Bonus, you know this well, on top of that, world quest responders got really bad, really fast. I mean, world quests respond every eight hours and you'd have to do like new AP world quests, so I remember you set alarms to wake up. in the middle of the night to do world quests like yeah the forces maintain this Warden Tower, how did it take them three expansions to do world quests every two weeks instead of eight hours like that? In my opinion, it's a much better obvious way to do it. I know modular design and everything you have to say about it.

I mean, I think I think when Eden said, "If you haven't seen the video with Ian and he preaches, he preaches, there's an hour-long video released every time we went to L.A. and we had interviews with all the developers and stuff." So, I would recommend going and seeing it firsthand, but as just a paraphrase, basically what Ian said is like he wanted to eliminate the feeling of where you were, super, like you were going out like you were having dinner with friends on a Monday night and then once you get home, it's like nine o'clock, you sit there and say, "Oh my god, I have chores to do before I can go to bed," he says no.

I don't want that feeling to continue. existing and I thought, oh thank God, this guy understands me, yeah, that was good, yeah, I think there's a lot of content, although if we go back to what we were saying about it, this will feel like there's not much content I feel like. that there's a lot to do, we didn't even talk about getting the Cliffs dragon, obviously we all did it super fast I'm sure, but I think the average player you know does it slowly as they go and then maybe you'll finish that within four or five days after leveling up.

Oh, definitely, I think it was super fun.They come from our beta testing experience, but yes, I mean, there are also yes, zeros, yes, all of the Mythic Plus testing in the beta was done at a normal or below normal radius level. I think it's 389, yes, which is the normal level of red eyes. oh yeah, okay that's normal, so I mean the classes scale differently from each other too, so once we're at the mythic atom level, it's going to look a little different than it does in our tests. anyway, yeah, I don't know. just think they really need to figure out how to balance AOE.

It's a problem. Their first solution for many balances is oral buffing and spec nerfing, but that's obviously not what they can do with AOE. They have to like it. I have an intimate knowledge of how spec works and how to seriously tune spec in a way that doesn't make them ridiculous on a single target because we want them to be balanced and attack like it's not so no one likes it, oh yeah, you should just make this really unbalanced in raid no one no one is really asking for that like raid balance normally for DPS is fine its like implus balance you legitimately have double the damage amount of the others and that's not right, yes, we have some questions. to get there But first you can thank the supporters on Patreon they are Paul, what a duck, why did they make me murder my duck friends, was this a mission I skipped.

I must have been checking this. I don't remember uh oh there's a world mission actually it was a world mission today yeah today um oh I murdered them without even doing a mission bro you could have saved and not killed the ducks if you had instead fought in combat, you simply dropped the gauntlet. and pvp, well it's never really PvP, you don't actually kill the ducks and they have 20 hit points, you can ride them right? I think they're talking about the one where you pluck out the feathers, but I get a chance to attack you, oh, okay, that one, oh yeah, I see, uh, never naked, John is a Dino pillow, chrome, chewy, imagine that you still haven't learned how to ride a dragon, uh, because you're busy collecting duck feathers and the game tells you that you're not a good offensive zip.

XX, by the way, Sandy's salty necks, yes, it can happen to queue in defensive Naco without riding Dragon. You should make sure you've learned how to ride a dragon before that, before you go to defensive Naka, there's like a flight master in that dungeon, though I think maybe. It only appears after you've cleared the place, but yeah, I'm not crazy, they during it and also take you out like riding a dragon. knockout competition, right, oh, right? We just didn't have any talent for writing dragons in the beta, huh yeah that's right, it's a lot faster now because you keep your upgrades during dragon races so I'm sure you'll keep them. yeah you didn't use to do it in the early beta, yeah yeah okay whatever yeah I'm surprised I'm surprised it doesn't really matter that they let you keep it during code hit.

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Yeah, I would say I like the talent tree, especially when you first look at it and have like 60 points to spend on your character. It's quite overwhelming to look at. I would say it's like a slap in the face. whether it's the starter build or a Wowhead build, put your skills on your bars and every time you see a process or an upgrade or something try to read it and see what it does, find it in your talent tree, but don't worry to choose. different things in your builds until you're comfortable with an easy build to start a build of some kind.

In fact, I was going to say that you literally just hit the initial build and learn how to play the spec first and foremost and then learning what all the talents do and how they interact with the kit later on will definitely be a good thing for a new player. Yeah, I'd say the Target dolls are also very useful, so if you're just starting out, just slap them on. the target on me and figure things out one at a time and yeah, just copy one of those wild head builds, yeah or the silly YouTube guide builds, the cow builds and all that, check them out, okay , the next question comes from Mac. and Discord, who says what everyone's favorite and least favorite dungeon is out of the starting eight now that they're all live and why aren't they Halls of infusion um.

I think my least favorites are just bracketide because I only like those early polls. I was afraid of attracting additional mobs so that the disease would accumulate. I've been in a group without a disease for years waiting 30 seconds for it to drop before clearing the next full dungeon. That dungeon has been my least favorite so far. I think I would say algathar but I didn't really care for Infusion Rooms I actually didn't care for that dungeon at all um I didn't find it as bad as the others maybe it's just because most of the things were Not really a threat there yet , but uh, yeah, obviously I think Agatha is my favorite, what about you, titles, what about you?

I guess I mean, obviously, I think Al guitar is my favorite, but I don't think Alex was my favorite. of the m0 experience like it was uh, I think the m0 experience felt like it, some of the other dungeons I like Ruby Life Pools, I guess for men's zero experience because it's the shortest, uh, silly, what? how about you, any favorite and least favorite dungeons, uh, anything specific? you want to scream um I would say I wouldn't enjoy anything good but yeah it'll probably have to be algor fires or Ruby life pool actually Ruby life pool I would definitely say Ruby live pool yeah I have hope for you too Bracken. definitely, in the psychologist of the anti-fern group, it is so unfair.

I agree that the fern groups are also my least favorite and I actually liked playing here the best in Mythic zero because it's fun to fly with all the talents and the new Capac and then fly to the next Nuka pack and then It was also really fun to see my guilds learn about the last non-flyable area, yeah, see some fights like getting into the other mouth, they really got it going at the beginning of the beta. You'd feel like a whirlwind to some extent, but now you'd just get dazed in mid-air, yeah buddy. The first time I went into the knockout as usual, every time I was leveling four of my group of five, I was the one.

Who did it? He walked to the first bus that Dragon was riding on. They literally just walked across the area to the first boss. Wow, that's great if you like failure. Travel on Dragon. In one of those transitions to the next areas you have to walk and it's a long, long walk of shame oh oh yeah, it's too far, okay, the next question comes from Theon and Discord, who say: do you think dividing the dungeons from season one to season two will allow you to make bigger changes to some of the dungeons we have? I won't watch this season.

I can't tell if I just don't like Black and Tide Hollow or if it's a dungeon that needs a lot more iteration to bring it in line with the current dungeons of Season 1. It also removes the disease. to spell t-y um amen yeah that's me I just think making it less shocking not having um I mean in theory people have been defending not having these dungeons in the first season with things like oh, allows them to keep them. in the workshop longer so they can come out more attuned or whatever, when in reality it's a dungeon with no perks in practice, I think it's pretty likely that most of the current M's here, like the season two dungeons , they probably won't see two radical changes.

Between now and when they become M plus dungeons, essentially if they are, I think if there are any, they'll probably happen at the beginning of the second season or right in these first two weeks, but I don't think during the first season maybe . In the PTR cycle there will be a bit of iteration on them, but I think they are probably pretty close to being ready as they are now. What is your plan? When did the beta version come out? In July, right in July, oh, okay, then it will be much later. than I thought, yeah, I mean, they made some really stupid changes in July, yeah, they made some really radical changes to the dungeons, um, it's from July to now it's like a question, like they have time, it's more like if I didn't have it.

I know if they'll have the data to know what's problematic, yeah, I mean, we talked about it a lot more earlier in the show, but I think they'll have like a tenth of the feedback that they had with the other four dungeons. in this pool for the first season, yeah, I mean, I think the Bracken tide complaints are probably like the ones I've seen pretty loud on Reddit and Twitter over the last few days too, so maybe, maybe it's not just like a You know. What M plus testers maybe something that even in m0 is that everyone is watching that right now and that might come back to them.

I don't know, we'll see, it's something to say what exactly is going to be a problem, although yes, in Plus for the Zoom zeros, I mean, do you see it as a numbers problem or do you see it more as a design? Because I'm not even talking about numbers right now. I just feel like designing these dungeons. I have issues like, I think there's, you know, that disease could be a lot less deadly, like if that disease was as impactful as 10 as it currently is, it could be okay, maybe 20 25 like that, I think it needs a lot of effort. uh, tone it down and how much it matters whether or not you can clear it or not, but uh, the other mechanics in that dungeon I don't know, I like them, I think a lot of them are numbers too, like I normally think I think. most things are numbers corrected, there are just a few things where the problem is the fundamental mechanics, yeah I don't think there's anything that's criminally weird, like single shots and stuff like that.

I think the disease design is quite annoying, but it could be adjusted to make it irrelevant. I mean, I think you could get to the point where it's relevant and you always dispel it if you have a disease to spell, but you're not dead. If you have an extra one in your party, write something down, yeah to be honest I still don't know enough about dungeons to save the whole layout, but there are probably some layout things that will be a problem you know? Just like looking at the bigger picture, I think a lot of the crap should be cut or at least the dungeon should be shortened somehow.

The stand is too long. Yeah, I don't know how to fix it. I mean. I guess they could just cut something out, like take some of the packages out of the different places and, you know, cut some of the packages in the first area and it's between the first and second boss on both sides, that kind of thing. of the thing and before the last boss they could also, they couldclose and kill some of the mobs there, yeah that could be a good thing too. I know I agree with you, Charles, that the details are not something that is super.

I'm sure there's a sort of general vibe in that place as well of uh yeah, open to some things changing anyway, also one thing, are they saying Bracken tide or Bracken tide, uh, which one is Bracken brackenhead is bracken hide? I've been saying that. I'm tied, that's what I thought, but yes, it is. I thought it was a tall stand, but he kept saying Bracken type, so I thought he was wrong, ha, there's a, isn't it right next to the water? tide there that's so messy that's true you write Am I brackenhyde? Yes, this dungeon, this expansion has some pronunciation challenges, they are also called races, the spelling challenge too, how do you pronounce them?

How do you pronounce airplanes? onarin Bernard planes okay, guys, you've been doing it. I'm sure they say it in a cutscene somewhere but I skipped all of those so I don't know Ohana planes it's not really good yeah hmm cool oh you're right I heard an NPC say no, damn it, there are some. Well, there are some good tips. Damn, we should have used them for the weeks future tip. Yes, yes, we have to make sure we are talking right now. Write it. Well, thanks for coming on the show, dummy, people can check you out. available on uh twitch.tv dorky uh YouTube dorky and the gty YouTube too um yeah thanks for coming we won't hold everyone back for much longer of course everyone has alternatives to leveling and the M Series will do that although I understand some people.

We've been doing that too during this very episode, so who would do that? But yeah, thanks for coming on the show, we have another show next week and then we'll take the next few weeks off, in all likelihood. So I hope everyone is having a good dragon dish and yeah, see you next week. Thank you all for inviting me later. Thanks for coming. Thanks for coming.