Trump 'wants to undermine institutions currently prosecuting him': Rick Tyler

NBC's Ryan Riley is reporting from Washington DC and also with us Rick Tyler MSNBC political analyst and Republican strategist and founder of Foundry Strategy Ryan. I know you went deeper into this. Give us a fact check here on some of the people Trump calls hostages. I'm sure you know that the vast majority of people

currently

incarcerated on January 6 charges are people who have appeared before a judge, pleaded guilty, or been found guilty by a jury. 12 people appear entering a room looking at the evidence to decide. They are guilty of some charges, perhaps not guilty of others, and then sentenced by judges on both sides.

What we really focus on in this new analysis is that smaller group of 15 people who are detained pretrial, meaning they have not been convicted of any charges and each of those individuals had an individualized evaluation conducted by a federal judge who decided they should be detained for various reasons, usually it's because there is overwhelming evidence that they are a flight risk, or you know there is overwhelming evidence. evidence of the violent conduct they allegedly committed that day and there is concern for the safety of the public only three people to highlight there is one person who is actually accused of throwing a bomb inside the tunnel that exploded and triggered an explosion inside the tunnel where they were gathered many officers, causing officers to lose their hearing for several hours.

Some days they reported that their ears were ringing. There is another individual accused of firing a gun twice outside the capital during that ongoing attack. on the west side of the capital, that individual actually stabbed a man to death after January 6, but before he was finally arrested on charges this year after that video surfaced showing him apparently firing that gun and He also has a long criminal record, you know, there is another individual who is actually the fourth person who invaded the capital that day. He was dressed in paramilitary gear, kicked the door open, but was initially released on his January 6 charges and then, lo and behold, he joined. allegedly with one of his friends and conspired to kill the FBI agents who were actually investigating the January 6 charges.

His co-defendant in that case pleaded guilty and admitted that the two conspired to kill the FBI agents who were working on him in January. 6 counts Edward Kelly is still awaiting trial. There was talk of a plea deal that doesn't appear to be happening, but he is one of 15 individuals being held before trial because a judge made an individualized determination. uh who are people who need to be held for reasons of public safety or flight risk, Chris, so Rick, a former senior advisor to President George W. Bush, got very excited about the idea of ​​these riers being hostages.

Here is Carl Rove, every one of those sons. of who did that, we should find them, try them and send them to jail and, yes and yes, one of the critical mistakes made in this campaign is that Donald Trump has now said: I'm going to pardon those people because they are they are hostages no, no They are, they are bullies. I don't understand why Trump has done this. It is a mistake for the Trump campaign to allow the president's impulses to be identified with the people who stormed the capital rather than with the people. Law and Order advocates, the problem with that advice, of course, Rick is that the campaign can't tell Trump what to do, we don't know if he ever listens to anyone but his own instincts, so I guess? how is it a mistake?

Does it hurt well? He's not It's not beyond me why he's doing it I don't know why Carl is confused I agree with everything Carl said except for the reasoning and the reasoning is very simple Donald Trump

wants

to

undermine

the

institutions

that

currently

exist Prosecute him because he's 88 felony charges and he

wants

the American people to believe that the entire justice system is corrupt and he wants people to do exactly what they did on January 6th, take up arms and fight the justice system, so as Ryan just pointed out, one of those guys went straight after the FBI, another showed up at Barack Obama's house because Donald Trump posted his address with a gun, the good news is that out of 1300 arrests, 500 people have been convicted uh and many of them seriously some have received a few days and others up to 22 years but these are criminals these are uh these are not patriots uh they should not be celebrated in any way, in fact, in the United States We have a practically unblemished record.

I suppose the Civil War would be the only exception, but we have transferred power peacefully and, in fact, we did so during the Civil War until Donald Trump would not accept the results by which he had lost the election. Joe Biden, uh, and he orchestrated and planned and led an insurrection and applauded it while those people attacked the police officers, who by the way were heroic in defending all the members of the Cong. Remember that no member of Congress was hurt or injured or worse and that is due to the heroic actions of the police, who Trump and his supporters say support blue, but do not support blue.

Donald Trump is responsible for the death of Brian Snik and each of the officers who were injured on January 6. and it's despicable and disgusting and some of those members of Congress who support former President Trump are people who hid in fear that day Ryan something stood out this week in a specific case involving a defendant j6 a federal judge took an extra step to condemn the normalization of capital attack during sentencing, tell us that story, yes, it was a notable thing and that's Judge Royce Lambert, who is actually a Ronald Reagan appointee and has been on the court for quite a while, but basically he's trying to enlighten people. about what happened on January 6th, uh, in this case, he actually ordered the clerk's clerk to mail his comments to all of this defendant's supporters on January 6th that had WR written on them, he's essentially leaving make things clear, you know, in another life if he wasn't this life federal judge, he might have been a good journalist because he really likes to let people make things clear and he was explaining to them that what they said in the letters was based in what this accused was. tell you uh, uh, it wasn't true, like he claimed he was peaceful the entire time, in reality, the evidence explicitly established that he was not peaceful, he joined this individual, a defendant joined in a push against the officers had a megaphone and was leading the charge against Officers that day there is a video, there is a lot of evidence of this, but many people refuse to acknowledge the real facts of what these cases were, so those comments will be sent by mail to all supporters of this accused. laying out the evidence against him and what exactly the judge found and the judge said, you know, listen, I take no pleasure in sending someone to prison, but this is exactly what happened, you know, the jury found him guilty, he was charged with these crimes where he could have taken a plea deal probably got less time because the evidence against him was so overwhelming, but this defendant actually went the sovereign citizen route claiming he knew he wasn't really subject to American law , he just tried it.

He got out of the system completely and wasn't really respectful of the judicial process in general, so he ultimately received a longer sentence of seven years. In this case, when you know comparatively, I think the defendants who came forward who took plea deals got a little bit shorter sentence, but it was a pretty notable thing that Judge Lamber sent out these comments that he's made before about how he worries that this will be a threat to Americans in the future because there is a disconnect between what happened on January 6th and with all these politicians spreading a false narrative about the facts of what happened that day Chris Ryan Riley Rick Tyler thanks to both Hello everyone MSNBC has a new and improved app, you will receive real-time alerts and in-depth live analysis blogs. essays, video highlights and the best coverage of the 2024 election, download the new MSNBC app, here's how, tap the App Store on your phone, press search in the bottom right corner, type MSNBC, click the app MSNBC, click get. or the cloud icon and enjoy it