Kevin Samuels on High Value Men, "Average at Best" Women, Gay Rumors, Lori & Megan (Full Interview)

some of your

interview

s and I have also finished the videos on your YouTube channel. A lot of the focus of what you talk about is the

high

value

man, explain what that means. Well, first of all, the

high

value

man is not my concept. The high value man has been with us forever and what I did with high volume is I just put some parameters around it because that term had been floating around for years I looked at, you know, this country, that country, this political system , that political system, this system of government and I looked and said what are the men that separate themselves from other guys, what do they have in common uh and they have several things in common now this is regardless of religion, morality, anything else like these, just basic things, high value man starts with money, now there are many people who don't like that concept, but not me.

Think about the whole notion of a six-figure guy. This has been with us since 1985, when six figures first appeared in the mid-80s. I will say that when it first appeared in popular media, popular culture.uh and then making that like ten thousand dollars a month is a benchmark uh and then say make that amount of money for three to five years um anyone can have one or two good years, but put them together and it implies some kind of consistency and after that you know that other high value men recognize you as a partner or a potential partner who has a life that is what I call visible linkedin level, which means saying that you are the vice president of mergers and acquisitions that goldman sachs is different than saying that I am an entrepreneur We know what it means one of those things at a glance: having a network of high-value men and others and being more useful to others and the group, so those are six basic principles that I've had a conversation about now.

Of course, your mileage may vary, there may have been people who think you need to have other things besides those things, but it kind of gave you a framework to start a conversation and why that became an issue. It's so big because of the notion that

women

tend to consolidate on the highest-value man available, a term called hypergamy, so I'm just talking about things that have always been there, just putting some sort of context for the beginning of a relationship. conversation between men and

women

because that's not really happening these days, okay, and I think a lot of your conversations deal with women who feel like they want high-value men or feel like they deserve a high-value man and over the course of I feel like you left the conversation. they know they don't have what it takes that high value men are interested in, that's right, well, what I always ask is what do you want, what do you want and then what does he want and is it the type of men that you want.

You are qualified to get it right now. Are you willing to do whatever it takes? Look, that's when people can want what they want. I want. You meet a ghost, but when you leave, you have the money to afford it or not. It doesn't change the situation. If you want it you want it you can put it on your wall or whatever um and I don't judge what people say they want and that seems to be the part of the conversations that get contentious because a lot of times men like it or not. . they are told every day what their classification is they are rejected all the time men know what they quote in quotes they qualify for uh, but women for the last 40 30 40 years have been told that they can have it all whenever they want, no matter what. are and have been given an unrealistic expectation about their real value in the sexual market, their real ability to get it, but then we always talk about looking at their life and seeing where in their life they have been able to attract or deal with this guy . of men in the long term and that's where conversations tend to go.

I think it's funny that when I talked to men over the years before about these similar concepts it wasn't shocking, but it was when I started talking to women. about the same things they say they want and suddenly it became a media storm, well there's an

interview

you did in March with a woman who called and what people focused on was I guess you told her that. if you want a certain type of man you have to accept cheating because you're built like Emmett Smith yeah I think that's really shortening everything I'm saying I mean it's definitely shortening it I mean absolutely so I mean the conversation you're talking about and saying you have to agree to cheating what I said is high value men have options they don't cheat exercise options something like what bill gates showed us you know if I mean, I don't think a lot of people can say they are Richer than Bill Gates and Melinda took it very well, so it's funny when I said it, it was like a rage, but then when Bill Gates and Melinda said, hey, he's been kicking his ex-girlfriend and I approved, she said.

Bill Gates said exactly the same thing I've been saying about high value men. They came out and made a press release. And where is the story now? Nowhere because that is what happens with men of men with means and it is possible and the thing is. If you listen to my show, there are a lot of women who will call and say I have a high-value husband and I don't worry about this kind of stuff or if my man made a certain amount of money. I'm a lawyer, I became my uh. my head turned the other way this is not new information this has always happened with men of means, power and possibilities now the woman who was built like emmitt smith i said you weigh more than i said you weigh more than a runner and that's a Indeed it does, but why is it wrong?

I guess during the conversation she told you that she was five foot eight and a size 16. Uh huh, 220 pounds, 220 pounds, right, that she's more than a size, that she was actually bigger. that those two guys, right, I mean, it's a statement of fact, although yes, barry sanders with base sanders weighed 200 one weighed 201 weighed 218 pounds, you see, that's what I'm saying, that women can say that I don't want scrubs. I know women, people say if he can't buy you a Birkin bag, throw it on the sidewalk, but if I happen to say that it's you, that you weigh more than the men at your height, that's offensive, when do we become in that world?

Well it's offensive to men who like a certain type of woman, some men like bbws, there's a whole market for that, really show me where the high value men go after the high value behind bbws as the norm , I mean, that's a good point, that's the point. Look, let's discuss that first we are so used to doing this this PC kabuki dance that it confuses women, that's why women call my program because they've been told by so many charlatans, so many people tell you. They can have it all, but then they go out into the world that they're in in life and think I'm not getting the results or the results, which is why I have more women calling to say thank you.

I had a woman break down in tears last night saying you saved my marriage, but that's not reported. The things that are actually women's. The things women really say about you every day. You have helped me change the way I see my husband, my marriage, my children. I went back to my ex-husband I went back to my dad baby that's not reported it's just that you said she looked more built she was bigger than a runner that's what's reported well I think it was a no jump and you talked about what divorce rates look like in general and they are relatively high, but when you look at divorce rates for wealthy households, they are actually quite low, lower, yes, lower, explain that, well, uh, The statistic was when the divorce rate for people over a quarter of a million dollars tends to be around 20 and is in line with high value because, like it or not, women have evolved to be the most social of the bunch and When you have a man who has a certain status, he tends to have visibility online.

There are more things that bond you and tie you to a relationship than just your ability to get along with a man and there tend to be more reasons for women to stay there. There may be people who say that it is because of money that there is causality and correlation, they are two different things, but you cannot deny the fact that people with more tend to stay together longer and their reasons are always theirs, but they are There, yes. It means that money solves many problems, point blank, it doesn't solve all problems, but it solves many problems, it lubricates the machinery, yes, it gives it to you.

There's an old saying that money doesn't, money reveals the truth, so there's a reason why you know if you're Robert Baratheon on the game of thrones and you have bastards all over the kingdom, he can do that because he's Robert. baratheon, he is the king or if you are this person or that person. person in the media with this many children, but you can't do that so easily if you are an

average

man and we see the truth, we see that men accept these things and women, why would a woman choose to align herself to become one of they? of seven baby mamas versus being one of one for the plumber I didn't make it, I just look at it well, yeah, I mean, as someone who started out as a computer programmer, you know, went to school in Berkeley and started a good job computer programming. my own business, you know, doing technical recruiting, making a lot of money, but you still meet someone who's not in entertainment, whether it's the spotlight, whatever it is, I remember how difficult it was to date certain guys. of women back then, once I was dj vlad, once vlad tv.

It's a well-known name in certain communities and you could look me up, you could Google me, you could find out things about who I am or maybe you were already a fan of mine when I met you, interaction between women is completely different, I'm not even going to say slightly different. , I would say there's a 180 degree difference between the two and in fact, you know, it's almost like the roles were reversed in a way where I found more women trying to, you know, pursue me rather than the other way around. and but the thing is, it's not just that that it also gives confidence to a man where he feels like he can approach whoever he wants with a level of confidence like "hey, do you know who I am if you don't?" I'll tell you what I think is a game changer also in the way you interact with someone instead of just being like a normal guy trying to somehow gain favor with this woman, so in effect you just described the component of visibility of being a high value man, which is much more than just money, because your network can find you at the LinkedIn level, because other men who are high value recognize you as part of their inner circle because now that you are As an employer, you are useful to others and to the group.

You've done it for a consistent period of time. All those things are when people may not like it, but that's the way it is, but I think the telling part is when you were the same. man as a computer programmer when women say I want a good

average

man, no it's not like that, most women tend to want the lifestyle and things that carry a high value and just because we're having that conversation and more women say this, that's good, that's superficial, that's superficial, no, it's human evolution, I mean, and I don't automatically look at someone in sports entertainment or music and put them in that high value category because their money It's different, it's a different scenario, it's much more your case. where you've actually decided to go from a place and you've become who you are now and i think you have more power to you, yeah i mean i actually thought about it the other day, i became dj vlad 20 years ago, like ha been Now I'm 47 years old, so almost half a life ago I transformed into a different person somehow, although it was the same person, I saw the same name, they always called me Vlad, but now I'm DJ Vlad and these days you.

I know three million people tune in to hear what I have to say. Chances are if you're a hip-hop fan you've seen at least some of my interviews and that changes the dynamic of everything. like if I walked into a party, I could talk to any woman there, I could approach any woman with complete confidence, no matter who she was, what she looked like, anything else, that wasn't the case with the flat computer program, it definitely was. much more. nervous, I wouldn't approach certain women, uh, it was just a different dynamic, so now you're a better man, um, no, I'm the same man, thank you, same man, same values, you know, I'm older, probably I looked better back then.

In fact, men can hit their stride after 40. And your story is what men have been talking about the longest. We know these things. Now we see that there is only one DJ Vlad and if you went to that party, how many women? I would figuratively stand in line to talk to you instead of talking to the version of you from 20 years ago, right, not many, that's my point, not many, no one, no one, no one, no one would be taking pictures with vlad the programmer and tagging me on his Instagram and you. I know anything else you know because tooThey see me as someone who could potentially make them a star or make them famous or make them viral or whatever, so they want something from me too.

I get it, yes, I get it. There always has been. It's always been the same and I mean, listen, I like it here better than there. I'll be fine and that's the point and to see men accept reality and the guys who see you in their 20s are saying I want to be like him, uh, but real men realize that there's a process and, Unfortunately, if you have options like that, you can choose between whatever you choose and then when someone tells you to be socially acceptable, you have to do it. Accept a woman that you are not necessarily attracted to, but this or that men are ashamed to be able to exercise the same options that women demand and there are countless stories to talk about this and I don't want to say anyone's. name on her platform, but you can go and look all over Hollywood, where women of one stature are trying to get men who are obviously on a different level than them, but the man's response is criticized or scrutinized much more than the audacity of this person to think just because I do this, we're on the same level, that's not how we are, it's never been, it's never been, the late great Patrice O'neill was called a bit, you know the king and queen system , he's like the king can go find the lowest waitress and elevate her to the highest level on earth the queen the queen you are just the kings, I mean you would just be the queen's husband, you can't automatically become In the king, we know these things well, I think, uh, I forgot what.

This was in the interview, but you actually rated darling with an adjustable six, yeah, which means she can go from cute to pretty in that range depending for me to leave his house. I guess whenever she wants she can turn the knob. Well, number one. What she did? you think about the breakup that happened between honey and cave and finally I remember I was busy on my show and he just left, I mean he basically talked about how disrespectful it was for her to do an interview with her ex-boyfriend while she was still in a relationship with cave and talking about having the threesome with another guy now look, I'd say I honestly didn't follow much of that, but I will say if that's the case, what I remember is that she went on a podcast or show or something like that. and she said some things that were probably going to be good at the time, but it was a bad look for her relationship, so a lot of guys looked at him.

I would say I wouldn't like a woman I'm dealing with. Say something like that, uh, but you have to understand, but I also understand that women have been told, hey, there are no rules, uh, they broke up. I think I remember something that I don't know if it's true or not, about the cars coming back and me. I don't really follow a lot of that stuff because they live a different life than most people, uh, but a lot of people were mad because I classified her as an adjustable six when they first reported to me I said she was a six, but I'm like when when did it become average being an insult when saying that a woman is pretty is an insult when saying that a woman is pretty is an insult it's like women today who will tell you that there are 10 and even if you put parameters on it Yes they will say that I am a 10 for my self esteem and now I look at myself that's not how the world works, you could say to yourself, let's go back to uh dj vlad 20 years ago, you could say you're the ish. but you couldn't get the results like dj vlad does nowadays, no matter how big your self esteem or confidence is, that's the world we live in because men are often rejected, women for the most part are not used to it to be rejected or to be told the truth. constantly, a little oversensitive, a little oversensitive, but the pandemic has shown that it was a wake-up call for everyone because no matter what people thought of themselves when they were at home, left or right, who was? right there with you and that's what really started to focus more women's minds, in my opinion, on the results that they want not only today but in the future.

Well, when you talked about affection, you said that I look at your fresh face, without makeup, your natural state if you have I have ever seen her photos, her fresh face, her natural state, she is a pretty woman who can be pretty, but I don't think that she is ever considered beautiful or beautiful, so you talk about eights, nines or tens very beautiful or beautiful, those are women and look, I don't know why that's an insult, but you start looking at the women on the cover of, Let's say, the most beautiful people, mostly, the most beautiful people in the world.

Supermodel levels, there is a distinction, there is a cut line somewhere, I don't. I know about you, but I've been a model, I've been on cattle calls, modeling calls and if people think what I say is harsh, there are channels right here on YouTube where there are women who will start rating you. go on a swimsuit model call where they take a marker and start drawing you no, no, no, no, no, no, and if there is something, if not it's okay to say the line is drawn somewhere for someone , so I guess what we are saying is that everyone is not all the same there is no differentiation but one thing I haven't heard and maybe she hasn't said it uh, what she thinks of herself, I mean, a lot of things are reported from what a boy says, but is she considered good? at the higher ends of beauty uh well I remember there's an interview that she did where she said uh you know having a pretty face definitely opens doors you know, open doors for her and that kind of thing, but the interesting thing about honey is that you know I saw old honey videos when she was trying to rap for the first time and she was like, you know, rapping for people and stuff like that, this was before all the plastic surgery, this was, you know, relatively flat small breasts, but not all. the curves you see these days from your point of view, plastic surgery ultimately helps or hurts women when it comes to relationships with men, now this is where it gets personal, in my personal opinion, you know, There is, there is, there is something in which everything is.

On a sliding scale there are small adjustments, but we're getting to the point where it's getting comical. I live in Atlanta and I've seen that I'm looking at some women who have some of those comical proportions. Jessica Rabbit was a caricature. character for a reason, but now we're starting to see women who have incredibly small waists, a very large hip to waist ratio, really big butts, but what you don't see is that a lot of these women know where their husbands are, with who are married If they are married, I look at the result, I look at their wedding, I look at their left finger and I say: are you married to a man? about a man you value and the answer would probably surprise most people, yeah, I mean, he's an interesting guy.

That's because you look on the Internet and it seems like girls with plastic surgery plates seem to be winning because when you look at a lot of these types of women who are with famous guys, you know, Nicki Minaj, uh, Ari Fletcher, um, I mean. Even Laurie Harvey had plastic surgery. You see them with these superstar men. Now most of the time they're not married, but you know, honey, same with Cuevo, I mean, etcetera, etcetera, usually they're not married, but they're with the guy. sometimes they have a child, you know, with that man, you know, little babies, uh, you know, mother baby, I think jada, you know she got a job done, etc., they have a child with this man, they're not married, but they're living the lavish lifestyle, they're showing off all their Dior and Hermes bags and everything, and I think a lot of women say, oh, that's the key, that's the easy solution, I just need to have a huge butt and make myself a lot of lipo, do you know if my tits?

Do you know I'm a little down? I will encourage them. You know, I'll go to the doctor, I'll spend twenty thirty thousand dollars and then I'll find a superstar and I'll wear Dior and I'll have fun, but I feel like it's a bit. a little misleading because you're right these women are not married so on my Instagram the other night I had a woman come on my show and she fit that characteristic and she said it herself you know I dated rappers and she has athletes and all that other kind of stuff and she has surgeries and everything else, but still, if you listen to her, she says I wish I had stayed with the guy who was a normal guy a few years ago that I had uh because that's the guy I I should have gotten married, that's why I look, that's why I said I put athletes, artists and musicians here and I look at most people and I look at the results.

The outcome you want is to be married and have children, if that is so. what you say you want who does it um and I think what we're saying is that a lot of mixed messages are sent to women so when I come out and say something that we talked about on the basketball court at the barbershop at the gym uh at Buffalo Wild Wings between men that we accept as truth it's shocking it's wild it's like oh my God and it's like well who do you think these boyfriends and husbands that aren't going to come from?

This infinitely small group of musicians, lawyers and athletes will come from the normal kids here or the above average kids here, the high value kids here, this is where the relationships are going to be good, I mean prepare for this interview. I did a little poll on my website, well sorry on Twitter and I got about a thousand votes. I said who is the hottest girl in the game right now. I added Chloe bailey, laurie, harvey, ari fletcher and

megan

the stud, she's okay, she was a little close,

megan

got 33

lori

. harvey got 28 percent chloe bailey got 28 uh ari got 11 okay it's interesting that ari is the only one on this list with kids right i don't know if that plays a role or not who knows but megan is the stud . slightly in first place by about five percentage points, okay, if you rated honey a six, what would you rate?

Megan has ever seen her without makeup. How do I give it a six? She would do it too, and if you look at my scale, I look at things because I try not to use people who are present because it has a real effect on people's brand. I try to use people from the '70s, '60s, and '50s before plastic surgery and makeup and all that stuff was really a big deal, um, most of your actresses were cute and pretty, they weren't supermodel diane carroll, dorothy dandridge , the kind of people who were, uh, infinitely small, not even divas, what were they, what were their names?, stars back then. there weren't many of them huh, I don't know how you ask, I don't know how you asked the question, you think you said you asked who is the

best

in the game right now, yeah, I think you're on my show.

I would say which one would you choose as a wife. You'll get a very different answer to who is the tallest in the game. Look, who's the hottest in the game right now. Who do you want to kick? Who would you connect with? You know, swiping the DM. take the journey, but that's a very different question when you say who do you want your last name to be the mother of your children and pass on your legacy and that's more of a question when men are looking and that's more part of the conversation. results that we tend to have more than in the short term, look, the short term is not a problem, the short term is not a problem, but in the long term, the calculation becomes different, yeah, I mean, I remember when I interviewed Swiss Beets and he had been married to Alicia Keys. for a while and it's the happiest I've ever seen him in my life, I mean he was ecstatic, he said he's not interested in anyone else, uh, not only does he look at the most beautiful, accomplished woman he's ever been with, but also how kind he is. it's and how she never talks bad about anyone and he seems sincerely happy from my point of view uh jay-z and beyonce seem happy from the outside looking in now i think you rated beyonce good as an eight where would you rate laurie?

Harvey, you have a picture of her, I'm sure you have a picture of her, and the funny thing is that Beyonce has this whole high-value men thing. I also made a stream, if it's good enough for Beyonce, it should be good enough for you, so you've taken it. a look at

lori

harvey, what did you think? how would you rate her? -As for, I'm not really sure what she's doing, but you know she seems to be having a good time and the interesting thing about Laurie is that she's really been in the spotlight, especially in the world of Vlad TV and I was busy here, uh. recently and his thing was this, he said yes, lori harvey is a very pretty girl and so on, but last year she dated trey songz, diddy diddy's future son, um, you know, now michael b jordan, there's a couple Plus, I think they are like a racing car.

The driver was dumped there somewhere and so on and so on and a lot of people got very upset, but their thing is to listen, if you're okay with your daughter sleeping with five, six, seven guys in a six month period, you know. , they are all in the same period. industry well, so I can't say anything, but for him that is not a goal for his daughter, okay, you know, and he doesn't like the fact that she is celebrated either, oh yeah, Lori is living her life, she sleeps with whoever wants You know how she wants to sleep with women whose men end up cheating on them and stay with the man you know like you know little babies, baby mother?

Okay, manyWomen call them stupid, oh you're stupid for staying, girl. Do you know you're stupid for staying with that man when he disrespects you like that? What is your opinion on this whole situation? So if I understand it, they are celebrating Laurie for living her

best

life, but then the woman who decides to stay with A man who exercises options or cheats is called a fool, right? Because that is the double message that women receive and that is part of the confusion. We celebrate the independence of women while they are single, but a woman cannot make an independent decision to stay. with a man uh that makes her dumb how many people were told that beyonce should leave Jay-z and that would have been dumb.

Look, we celebrate things that go against what many women want, many women want to be with a man and build. something, so what are we ultimately saying to women to get out here, do your thing and then come on my show and listen to women who were able to do that and then, after age 35 or so, recognize that they've You have had many dealings with me and you have a great life, but do you have that courage? The man that you value and that you are building a life or a legacy with and most don't, and them and what I hear more than anything else is.

Women have been told they can have it all, but it's all about choices, so we should stop. One thing is that we need to stop demonizing people who decide to stay in a relationship and make it work. That's precisely what so many people say they want. I want that old man. school love that 30 40 50 years of marriage well, that'sI'm going to come up with a lot of nonsense, I mean, I think it's funny how many people met their you know, completely different side of the family at big daddy's funeral because the great mom knew how to keep her mouth shut because she understood that marriage wasn't about headlines marriage was about duty, respect, honor, something bigger than yourselves we tell women to be selfish without regard for everything the rest and we wonder why things are falling apart, you know, because the reality is that most men, this is what surprised me the most.

Men want relationships Most men want marriage Who leaves relationships when they end Women walk out the door 70 to 90 of the time And who listens to women How does that help them? I mean, when I look at most successful marriages, there's usually a higher calling in that marriage. It's not about who's sleeping with who. Chris' family. Sometimes the guy is playing. Sometimes the girls are playing. you know yes but there are children at stake there is a business at stake uh there is a legacy at stake so that they put aside whatever temporary thing happens and stay together because there is a bigger picture here and a lot of people don't understand it, and I think that A lot of people get married and say, "Okay, I'm attracted to this person." Right now I'm sexually attracted, I like sleeping with the person, but at some point that's probably going to fade, yeah, and then what do you have?

And if the relationship is based only on sex, it simply will not last, not forever, no, you will have. a good career, but at some point you know that you are bait, you stay with one person and I think what also happens is the same way that women are, quote, fans of certain types of men. Men are fans of certain types of women. okay so the men will continue like I said before the hot girl you know lori harvey is the hot girl right now chloe bailey is one of the hot girls right now you love the idea of ​​that person you see her on instagram , there's a lot of photoshop and filters that go on with that, that's not really what the person looks like, that's not really what their body or their face looks like, uh, you don't really know what their personality is like, you don't know what their habits are like. , so you want to know.

You know, and I don't just mean the big you know, whoever is in your life, maybe it's the local hot girl from your high school or your college or whatever. You become obsessed and become a groupie with this person and then when you finally deal with this person, you realize that he was just in love with the idea, right, as opposed to the reality, like, I think that This is what happened with Kim and Kanye. I think Kanye loved the idea of ​​having the hottest girl. you know the most desirable woman period you know who I think you know and Kim I think she really changed the way we look at beauty before Kim a voluptuous white girl wasn't really celebrated like that right no no , across the board, good.

You know, I'll put this one up. I wouldn't be surprised if they got back together. Pause there because they have a lot going on outside of what they already have and from what I understand, Kanye has a bit of a complex personality oh. Yeah, so if she's able to deal with them, you know I can talk to more women who have been in the undecided group than eight, nine or ten, even the adjustable six or more, who have had access to all these men and they say what I wish. I would have stayed with the guy I met before and what we're finally doing is having these conversations about I have that conversation about sex, what are you willing to give up if the attraction wasn't there and seeing the conversations we have?

The conversations we tend to have are about longevity, not just short-term things, and because those things aren't talked about a lot, it makes for a viral moment, some interesting conversations, but I think what we're doing is more anything else. It's starting the conversation between men and women and the refreshing thing about my show is that it's obvious that men want women, they want to get married and it's obvious that a lot of women say I want to have a relationship that we just don't know how to. We've had the last 40 50 years on an individual level, do what you want, live your best life and that kind of thing and see how we correct this to get the results that you possibly want if you want something different and that's what it really all comes down to. boils down to: I talk to a lot of women.

What do you want? I don't judge I don't judge what you want. I don't judge any of that, but can you get it? And no matter how much we talk. Men of high value. I also have something that I really don't like: when women come on my show and criticize average guys, that happens every week and that's when I tend to get angry because I'm sitting here being. I told you you have to say it this way or that way or you shouldn't say this, you shouldn't say that, but then you have women looking at men who are firefighters, police officers, uh, military, uh, computer programming, science, engineering. , technology and mathematics.

I'm calling a dumb, dumb, dusty fool, this average guy is getting shit on and I'm like, now wait a minute, everyone can't be this high value guy, there are a lot of these guys, what about the rest of them and when? We can make average guys cool and make average-looking women who are average-looking or pretty women who are pretty women not feel like they're missing out or settling for being with people who are on their same level, so we make a little progress, well, you. They were on a podcast and on the podcast there were some girls who were just fans and in the process of the conversation two of the girls left angry, yes, explain from your point of view why they left angry, they left angry because the truth It was too much. fun to drive, they were good with it when they received the adoration when they call themselves entrepreneurs.

I am a business owner on this network and I started asking if you are an entrepreneur, what type of business you are. earn this money and invest they started asking questions and since they couldn't answer the questions, they found it offensive that a man could, even a woman, say who are you to judge, you shouldn't, not a single man or woman, you should. I don't judge what women do, it's like, oh wait a minute, men built the world we live in for the most part. Yes, women have had their contributions, but what have average men done?

We are in New York City. These buildings were not built by Wall Street. executives, were built by construction workers, the same men these women look down on today, but they will take dollars from their only fans, so many of these women, when you simply ask questions about what you should get, what you should deserve, they I don't feel like they have anything to give or that they don't have to answer anything to a guy and I tell them that's fine, but we started having that conversation and when I asked them what they were going to do when the only fans made money. it dries up because I related it to the adult industry there will always be a new hot star, you know, jenna jameson was the biggest game changer, but there was a time when she became, you know, what she has been, she wasn't a good new girl and just like in that business, they go from doing certain types of scenes to start doing other types of scenes, different types of scenes, I say that always happens in strip clubs, adult dances, it always happens in a sexualized business what are you going to do they got upset because it was like well that's not going to happen I'll always be hot I'm like well no you're not doing it and if you're not planning this or if you're just a fan it stops, you know, uh, the whole thing. quote was when only fans will end Subway hiring because the plan never went anything further.

I will continue to sell my youth, my beauty, I will always be on top, there will never be anyone greater than Me and don't ask me why I'm doing what I'm doing because it's my money and I'm a woman, listen to me roar and I didn't see why which was so offensive, but I made it for a good video clip. uh in the clip you said uh we built the damn world you live in the platform you're on is built by men no one made this about men or women oh go ahead well I mean this I mean when you look, for example, at construction. workers, yes, 90 of them are probably men, that's just the area that men have historically moved into, not to say that women can't do pretty much the same job today with machinery and anything else, but You're right, men are mainly from construction. workers, when I look at society as a whole, for example, when I look at my business, the only executive in my company is a woman, a black woman, you know, women have been extremely key in building Vlad TV throughout Over the years, uh, when I worked in software companies, there were women executives, there were women, you know, software engineers, etc., and although women may not be as practical in business as you know, it's not 50 50 necessarily, but I think women are extremely key. to the construction of society and, in fact, even the motivation of men to do what they do is usually for women.

You know you take women out of the equation and men won't be as motivated, but that, but that's not the question. Look, the question is. Women are not important, it is their relative contribution. Look, it's like the whole wage gap. If you take the pay gap as it's calculated, hours worked by women, hours worked by men, divide by the number and you get a number. There is a wage gap, but it is not like that. It doesn't take into account multivariate analysis and we have these conversations about gender, it tends to be univariate in a way where we don't take into consideration that women, like women, want more representation at the top levels of corporations, OK?

Then I want you. to have higher representation at the lower levels you also need to be digging ditches, you need to be rubbish, they just want the representation at the top end that you need, but you don't want them to lower it and look, that's how we tend to do things, it We see in the best of cases, yes, they are women who are valuable in corporations, but six percent of women in this country are worth 100 thousand dollars six and in their line they come from science, engineering, technology and mathematics, you know. that colleges and universities are fighting to get more women into these programs, so while after the companies are built, women can come in, women are coming in and doing these things, yes, but who's running the risk? risk of building these organizations and, overwhelmingly, it is men before a woman can.

To get to the executive position, it took DJ Vlad to build it and all I'm trying to give women is to understand that the same guy 20 years ago that you probably wouldn't look at is the guy you need to be able to have a little more of vision and say well if I stay with him now and I stay with him now while I build with him now I can reap all the benefits later, this is the problem that most women say they want high value men. but they don't want to do the work when they have an average appearance.

Bill and Melinda got together young, so she reaped the benefits later, but if you don't want to have to build abob or a boo, you want it later. grey, you'll have to deal with a much more competitive situation, so either way it still works fine. I want to be fair. Melinda Gates dated Bill when he was already like a billionaire. You know she was working at Microsoft as a manager but he was the CEO and founder of Microsoft when she met him I was thinking of him as his girlfriend so granted, but you know, the story still holds up, the premise still holds up though.

It's never about devaluing the importance of women, look what we've done. We have a lot, we overvalue it we just had Mother's Day churches where the restaurants are

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Father's Day is about to arrive, come on man, you will have women celebrating this second Father's Day and that is the imbalance Look, we're so busy trying to pat women on the back, what about guys? And that's what my program does. It's the first time I walk the streets and say thank you, thank you, thank you. On the way here I had to take six photographs, thank you.

You man appreciate it, super driver, taxi driver, this guy, that guy, because he's unbalanced, that's all I'm saying, he's massively unbalanced and instead of trying to make sure that all women get their credit, do you? We can look at how many guys are getting credit and it's the average guy or even the above average guy or guys that get something and you'll hear that, well, you've gotten it your whole life, now it's our turn, I'm not okay, so that's what makes my show good because I wanted to have the conversation. Well, I think to be fair, men haven't just had an advantage their entire lives.

I think this goes back thousands of years. I mean, in general, men have had an advantage when it comes to society over women. story well, we should think, we should, we should, what should we have, if men had an advantage, well, I'll say this, I'll say that when you look at, for example, certain societies like certain Middle Eastern countries where women are not allowed. work or even drive cars or go to college or whatever those countries suffer compared to first world countries that actually bring women into the workforce yeah I think it's a big loss when you take women out of the equation and if Look at the Netherlands, where they are the most egalitarian society in the world and they have let people do their things and women and men have sorted themselves into their positions, and men tend to do more in the world.Science Engineering Technology Infrastructure Women tend to do more in social work Retail The administrative side Men and women know how to do these things so we tend to go towards these extremes and what I'm saying is that Men and women are different for a reason.

Yes, women have their place, but a man's place has been so devalued that even just trying to say that men deserve anything is almost offensive, we feel like we have to balance it out, that men have had an advantage, you mean the men. I've had a head start on the world that men built who built it who goes to war who when you go out and kill the mastodon or this or that who protects it the very things that keep the world going I've had that show, okay? take it off my show, okay, Bear Grylls, season two, the island, men on an island, women on another island, and just see what happens when women and men fall in the wild, the women would have died, the men They almost built a fucking Internet, I'm just kidding, but Come on, we know these things, but it's like you can't say you can't say it.

We have to maintain a balance because you know why, because women are the biggest consumers and they spend the most on this and I understand that. I'm not trying to devalue what women do, but what I think is what I've seen is that only certain men get credit. If you ask this question, what percentage of men have sex or have children? Most women throw that out. take that number out because you are looking at the type of men you want when 40 of the men on this planet will probably never have children in a box in our community 51 of the men are single and do not have children the vast majority of children are created by a A small group of men are the ones who have all the access and legacy, but the others are the ones who continue to build the world and have no balance, that's all.

That's an interesting point. I never thought about that. I never thought about that because technically. anyone could have a child anyone could have a baby that doesn't require a certain amount of money in your bank account you know I remember tk kirkland you know he was a regular on my show he said that women should say I should have a rule that if a man doesn't have at least 50,000 in his bank account, he shouldn't be allowed to have sex, right? You know, he'll be allowed to ruin your life, you know, and give you a baby, and he won't really be able to handle it if he doesn't. .

I haven't saved a certain amount of money, I mean in Memphis there was a story that got a lot of traction that between three men they had over 70 children and then the question is these women were going to have a relationship with these guys could they afford the luxury of having these children? No no, but all these women knew each other. Well, what is the message in the boys? What message did he send to men? And that's what I believe. Anything else for women who. You are indignant, get out of yourself and ask who you want, your brother, your son, and that is what I often do with women, would you like your brother or your son to deal with the type of woman you are or the type of women who are coming out and almost all the time are like me, well what do you think they are going to choose when it comes to the dating market?

See self awareness humility gratitude empathy uh scream To Garyvee, I think he got me and there are some other things in there too, but we have to start understanding that women have to start understanding where men are coming from because whether you like it or not, ladies , you control access to sex and decide when a life. is brought into this world, you have the option of men controlling access to relationships and marriage and if the marriage rate, if men get married, you have to look at it as a consumer, you have to give the market what they want or not. buying into me and they're just not buying into marriage at the same level as before and we in society have been saying for too long that it's because you men are bad, ask them, ask the consumer what they want and then go from there. everything I say, well, last month or I guess earlier this month, you and umar johnson started going back and forth, he responded, he made a video responding to something he didn't say directly to me, but I understood the context, OK?

What was that about? If I have to guess, over the course of my shows, many times I've had women call and say we don't like your tone, we don't like your tone, we don't like your tone. and when I say okay, if you don't like my tone, who does it better and on two or three occasions women have called and said, uh, we prefer you as dr. umar johnson and i joked and once made a clip. So let me talk to you as Dr. Mark Johnson and I did an impression of him and some guys that are in his area.

Because I have no problem with Dr. Mark Johnson. The funny thing is that he and I probably agree on most things, we disagree on some things, but we cultivate a lot more aligned, but if I had to guess, people have been trying to get people to come towards me, so I guess they probably showed it to him and took it out of context. I can see that I have been insulting and my point in making that reference was not to say that he is a bad person. My point was to say that the reason you allow it is that if he had two children and was married to his mother, he would get land.

They roast me for it, you know, they're finding out they're taking pictures of my high school and everyone's trying to call me gay like they're trying to make up everything in the world. I'm like this, so what are you showing? is that if a man tells you or speaks to you in a way that you like, many things are excusable, but if a man tells you that two plus two equals four, here are the facts, the data and the statistics, look at yourself , then you get angry and say that you are bad and that we have to destroy you so that we don't have any problems, we don't have any people, I'm proud of him, yeah, well, I interviewed Umar before, interesting guy, interesting guy, uh, I mean, I'm not sure about the whole school he's building.

For me, it was the sketchy part where he took a bunch of money for a school and I'm not sure if he exists or not, maybe he does exist right now and you know. everything's fair huh but the only thing he said about you was that I can't appreciate black men trying to make a dollar by making black women feel bad and it seems like when you do that most women know about your videos. The people on the show you're talking to are black women, so do you feel like it's unfair that people say you make black women feel bad?

Well, he didn't make that statement directly to me, he made it to that sector of YouTube. I guess the inference is and let me take that back that my show is funded primarily by men and speaking of making people feel, I don't make you feel anything, you're in control of your own emotions, I think that's an unfair characterization by anyone else. thing, because if we flip that there are people who make money by making women feel good and lie to them there are people who openly pander to women by telling me everything is fine and live fake lives in front of their faces and women can see this and continue to do it So I always say judge things based on the outcome.

Like I said, I've had more women. There have been more videos on YouTube saying that Kevin Sanders has saved my marriage. I'm better. I am married today thanks to Kevin Simmons. Samuel's advice works, uh, I talk about, you know, this group I had on Facebook where people get together, people can focus on what they want, but one thing I don't do is I don't like to judge how someone earns their money. that is out of bounds, how money is made is irrelevant because where I come from it is called pocket surveillance and why are we talking about someone's money, we are all here to make money and I have no doubts about it, I don't do things If you're good at something, why do it for free?

But to say you can't respect that. If that's what you think, then vote with your eyes and don't look, but I think we should be careful when we say. that kind of thing because the next person I could be is you now, as far as feelings, I'll say this again, that's all I want you to choose, focus on the videos where I'm sitting talking empathetically to someone, um giving different types of advice, different types of points of view that are talked about, so I'll give most people the benefit of the doubt or a challenge. If you don't watch my stream from start to finish then you probably won't if you're judging me by clips or whatever, no one can deal with that.

Well, the griot wrote an article about you. Could you read it? I have heard about it. Okay, so in the article he says no history in marriage and relationships. therapy psychology issues related to gender or anything relevant to their platform, spews quote-unquote advice devoid of social context, blatantly ignores racial and gender socialization, and refuses to address the history of racist sexist ideals or the role of oppression social bias in the way Black women are viewed perpetuates deeply ingrained and inherently flawed myths and stereotypes about Black women. These views only serve to confirm that black women lack value outside of their sexual attractiveness.

He's making the point that before it's an opinion piece, it's an opinion piece and that's the thing. The thing is, I'm not going to argue with someone's opinion, uh, because again, it's rooted in point of view. When I hear things like that, he just goes ahead and comes out and says I just don't like what he's saying. It's not necessary, but what interests me most is why don't these people who write these articles watch what the people who watch the show, the women who watch the show, the very women these people claim to defend, go out night after night? , they write in the comments section and one of the things is that I can't understand why they keep coming back well because they are getting something that they haven't been able to get for a long time and that is an objective truth now and I think it's funny that I may suddenly have to be a Harvard or Rhodes scholar on relationships, but we mention Lori Harvey many times.

Her father, her stepfather, Steve, he does the same thing, anyone wondering? He's a comedian, isn't he? I don't think he has experience and I don't think he has a PhD in any of these things that we don't have, but that's the When we disagree with the man we go straight to ad hominemsand this and things like that are just attacks on the person and you can overcome a lot of things based on you know that the attacks on the person judge things based on the outcome and yes What are these people talking about who have a problem with what I'm saying, yes They got a better result, they talk about their solution, they talk about what they need to talk about and they let the market decide, but that's the point where the market is not listening to that same thing. things because it doesn't seem to be getting good results, yeah, I mean, you mentioned steve harvey, he wrote a famous book on relationships that became a movie, he thinks like a man, he's on his third marriage, but like I said, when when Are we telling the market.

Are we telling women what they want to hear? Your background doesn't matter, but when you tell them what they don't want to hear, we have to look at your progress reports, you have to look. in you know your high school transcripts and who this is, this is nothing new, well you touched on the whole gay rumor thing and there was a video where you were online and it somehow cut to a scene of a man, there was a man. Sleeping in bed and then it goes down and I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense to me, so maybe you could explain that video and I'll clear it all up, okay?

But before doing that. I'm just going to say that I said this the other day and what these people probably have with someone who is gay. I mean, I said it last night, the lgbtq community, you're all on the clock because the sheer amount of gay bashing gay innuendo gay slurs anti-gay hate speech why is it allowed to persist? why is he allowed to persist against me? If you want to say I'm gay then I did it is that's not that's not out of bounds is that's not a protected group so to the people who keep saying these things I ask them where is the lgbtq community in this and all of this or if it's okay when it's a straight man and it's used as a gay slur so you can't have it both ways, you can't have it both ways, you're going to have to choose, so in writing that article, in doing all this other kind of things they injected, they injected something else to which they did the same. kwame brown today yesterday kwame brown was liked by certain people but suddenly something didn't happen the way they wanted and suddenly they started throwing gay things at him this happens very often to black men the destruction of blackmail image because you are saying something they don't like like we're going to we're going to minimize you we're going to belittle you we're going to discredit you we're going to try to humiliate you and we're going to try to humiliate you by calling you gay.

I've addressed this countless times, but then you can have a show where I have a zoom line where you can click zoom if you've ever been. the zoom call when someone shows their photo, people can change their photos and stuff like that, but I also use other software where their photo shows up and they're in the green room, their photo is like what I'm looking at. where I'm looking at it it's kind of grayed out and if you're running a program if you click the wrong button something might pop up, that person's photo might be there, that person's photo might be there, that was a person that was in a ringing sign now was that the real person who had fallen asleep, I don't know, it was a photo that that person posted, I don't know, but I talked about this on the show in real time, that person had gone from trolling me on a platform where The woman was leaving, who was that person?

I said, "You don't have to worry about him," he calls all the time. I announced that he is still active. She said: Well, I didn't know what to do. I said, "Just don't pay." I paid attention to it and talked about it and then when I went to the next part this person came up and I was like oh this person is back again and when I turned it off I didn't think anything of it and I wake up and it's everywhere on purpose. taken out of context to perpetuate a narrative to smear a black man for being gay so what I'm going to say is this is where the lgbt community is in this because it's there for anyone who wants to see it and it's actually us. saying that if I was and if people the funny thing is vlad, if people really thought I was gay, they wouldn't come to me like that because they would have to deal with that LGBT community, they would have to deal with that. community, so the fact that they come after me like this, you know they don't think that, but you can't play it both ways, I mean, yeah, I mean, I've had homosexuality

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, I mean, almost I feel like that's a sign. to do it like you haven't really made it unless someone comes out and says you're gay, well, it just is what it is, but you know that's what I mean and, like I said, in this whole council culture, you know that people have I apologize again for the tweets they made 12 years ago when it was okay to even say something like this in South Park or in a movie or on the internet when in reality there are people with platforms, media outlets, blogging sites that post a story like this. on a popular morning show, who heard it?

Do you like me and do you like women? So we play like this with the brand and people's sexuality. my point of view, but to sit there and do exactly what you say I shouldn't do is hypocritical, well yeah, and starts a whole narrative of him attacking women because he's secretly gay and in the closet and hating. women and stuff, you know, and then these things start to create a sort of conspiracy theory of their own and it is what it is, it's just part of being a public figure to a certain extent, well, I don't know, no, no, no .

Look what's funny, so if you care so much about women and what about my black mother? What is wrong with my black daughter who has to hear these things all the time? That's why I think why Brother Brown Kwame Brown was so great, enough is enough. from this garbage you can't keep criticizing someone for having consensual conversations my conversations happen live in real time unedited with consent with consenting adults in public view nothing is edited so if you have a problem stop watching but what What What you're trying to do is basically say I don't like what you're doing and then vote with your eyes go somewhere else but who made you god?

Do you really only want them where you are? You see a lot of these things rise, I mean you have media platforms for content creators, this rises to many legal levels and that's what's going to start happening in these sectors because you start doing this type. of claims that you can't, you can't make, the New York Times can't say anything about the Washington Post, you have to have, you have to have your sources, and this is what they haven't been able to go out and do is To substantiate these things, I've talked about it over and over again to the point where I've said it, the LGBT community, all of you are paying attention because you see what's happening and if you've had to deal with it. well, if they can defend the people that are in their community, if people are trying to say that vlad is gay, then shouldn't they defend youtube? because i guess vlad, if you say people said that about you, maybe you were in the closet or something, don't you deserve to be protected that much?

I mean, either you have to openly fly the flag before they come out and you see what we're talking about, it only goes one way, it only goes one direction. very anti-straight men, yeah, and I think what people really need to realize is that you know social media is still a relatively new thing in the history of humanity, you know, the media itself always has. been, you know, historically there's only been a few media outlets. they've had to cater to as many people as possible because there's only a few channels on television, there's only a few, you know, newspapers, there's only a few magazines, you try to get as many human beings as possible to subscribe to or watch. , etc. new media, which is something I started 13 years ago, you know, you know, I didn't start it, but you know, vlad tv started in the new media era, right?

I quickly realized that it doesn't matter if I get mainstream. I have a very loyal audience and that audience and I look at my stats and I look at my you know, my demographics and it's all a 90 year old 18-35 year old male audience located in certain cities, primarily New York, Houston, Los Angeles, Chicago , etc., a large African-American audience, you know a large Spanish audience, you also know a large white audience, although not as large as other audiences, so I've had to put myself in the state of mind this whole time that I'm creating content. for my core audience, now you know, I remember there was a situation where an employee told me I don't like the kind of things you're posting, you know you need to do more of this kind of thing or it's like, but this doesn't It is created for you.

What we create is not designed for you to consume. You are not. There are only 10 of our audience, so I can't attend. You know, I can't give you makeup tips. my website or make videos about it because my audience doesn't see that well, you know, men have no interest in that, so I can't have more kind of demographic, you know, options in what we do and we serve women and we cater to children etc, those are not people who watch my platform, so I have to create content for my platform. I've been doing it for 13 years, it's built a significant business, we have a dozen employees, you know. you know, we have a production company, we have several studios, it has worked for us if you don't like it and there are many people who despise vlad tv and feel that we should be canceled and eliminated and that no one should come to our platform and the world would be a place better without us and that's fine, that's their platform that caters to their audience, you know, saying those things and every one of their comments like yeah, we agree with you, it has no effect on us, right, we still have it .

Great, but we have to focus on what it is and I think you're in the same kind of boat where you've discovered over the years how you react to people watching you and that's going to piss a lot of people off. and that's okay because we're in a world where you could have a very niche type of media outlet that caters to people who you actually know are super fans of this and you don't have to make everyone happy and I never will anyway, no , the thing is, you know that men's content has been mischaracterized because you're a bunch of misogynistic women hating in the cell this thing that can't get a woman I said no, this is the same as men. talking about whenever men are together we rank women hey man it depends on how y'all oh charlie's angels which angel was sexier vera foster linda carter we do these things so when I've been on other platforms and people who are close to a lot of me and I understand that they do these things, but you know, my audience is mainly men and it's rare for many men to see a black man sitting in front of the camera who has the nerve to speak about relationships between men and women, but then I'll also talk about black people, our things and how good they can be in general, it has a lot to do with men and women, what about our most unique situation?

I'll talk about both and I just came to a place where not many guys existed, but before I existed, there was the larger mamosphere, there is the black manuscript, content creators everywhere and, for the most part, what you're starting to listen to is your uncle, your cousin, your brother, men. who have felt like they haven't had a voice they can't even be honest to tell the truth without being afraid of being canceled saying thank you and you're starting to see more and more people reaching out you know there are people who were in this sector of the space uh before me there will be people behind me because this is not going away it's just getting bigger um I was on I was watching this channel mediocre tutorials interviews this guy who had shahar Razada read on this The channel Shahar Razad Ali has been saying the same things that many men have been talking about for the last 30 years and it has had a new resurgence and what is it ultimately saying?

We need our men and our women to have more respect for each other and women need to join the conversation, women are not our enemies and that's the point, that's what I've been trying, they tried to include me in this misogynistic touch and Else, blah, blah, but when you hear a woman say men or trash, you can't talk to me about misogyny, that's misandry, you talk about white supremacy and racism and also the type of things that we will see in the first destruction of what is happening in our space before you can deal with the white man you have. deal with women who call you trash and you don't want an average man and you have to have him, I don't want any scrubs, look, what I want to do is I won't take my eyes off where I see the The problem is that when I talk to men they tell me that The number one problem I have is trying to deal with women that I like and love, that's the biggest problem and that's what we're talking about and they don't like the fact that now the responsibility andThe conversation focuses on his part and look, the thing is, I think it's funny, I'm glad it's one thing that I get more of, anything else, well, we hear you talk about women, look, talk about men too .

I talked to men for three years. It's all over, but no one wanted to hear these things, but when I started talking to women, suddenly everything became this good, I look at it from a state of ranking, if this is what bleeds the most, keep this, no. Don't worry about the ingrown toenail, the internet loves to tell you that you have no right to even talk about a topic, they love it. I don't know how many times I've been told that I don't have the right. To talk about black topics, I just need to stick to white topics or Russian topics and it would be ridiculous for me to say to a black person, "Okay, don't talk about white people at all, I don't want you to." could enter your vocabulary, you can't, it's not possible, not in America, you can't, because if you did, you'd be labeled a racist, you see, that's right, okay, well, saying it, shutting down speech, you know, Dr. jordan peterson, him.

I also got into the conversation by trying to code the discourse. We love to tell me. We love telling people what they can't do. When he calls us to be better. When it makes us look at something different. You know, and that's when we try to say. this person is this or this person is basically trying to take away that person's voice, it's not going to work anymore because now the masses are involved, these conversations are happening. I'm glad my conversation initially started with uh as an image consultant for men of a certain age. and a certain socioeconomic demographic was at the mall in Atlanta and I ended up taking pictures for 30 minutes with young black men under 25 who found me at tic-tac everywhere I go out, I'm starting to get men.

Ladies, understand, you better start listening to what men say, it's not Kevin and we're not his enemies, that's the bottom line, listen before you judge what you think you know about me. I challenge anyone to watch a broadcast from beginning to end in good faith and then Look what you get, what do you say to the people who call you a misogynist? Misogynist is hatred of women. There is no way all of you can be misogynists. They listen to massages. If I'm a misogynist, then they're going to talk to the women they say. you saved my marriage.

I am the reason I listened to your advice and am now committed. The women who follow my platform, the ones who wrote their testimonials, the ones who make their videos, contradict your narrative, you just can't say that seriously. but I would say this, let's see, let's talk about results, let's talk about results, what people talk about what, what I'm not, what I am, I want to see your videos of people who give testimonies, uh, about what, following your advice, what it's like. They changed their results, let's put it on the wood, show your results. I will compare my results with yours as soon as I am not qualified to talk about it.

I don't have the right title, the right pedigree, but I got the right results. and correct results, I challenge anyone on that and if you can't do it then go back to the ad hominems and call me gay and the pejoratives and all that kind of stuff because that's all you got there, you got it right, Kevin, first of all, congratulations on building a platform, thanks for being someone who started doing the same. 13 years ago I understood the daily routine, 365 days a year, that it takes to take a YouTube channel from zero subscribers to having hundreds of thousands and then millions of subscribers and for people to tune in and stay away from the millions of others. people that you're doing something similar and you're actually building a brand and going out and doing press the way you're doing it now, you know, going to my platform, not jumping, you know, making your platform and actually, spreading your message while creating content all the time.

You know it's not easy, it's extremely difficult, especially if you don't come from a celebrity level. It's much easier for you to create a successful podcast than it is for Kevin or Vlad to do it well. You know, we don't have multiples. Platinum albums and millions of fans we can tap into, but the reality is the more you do it, the easier it gets. You know, I'll say this. That's why I do what I do. I've always talked about these things. lat, but when that video went viral average, at best, you studied the business, you studied the analytics, you come, I was already saying, well, what if I have it?

I already understood the analysis, the background, but when that happened, I thought this is not about me. It stopped being about me when that thing went over 300,000 views and that's what I keep reminding people this isn't about me I can be on camera now I don't want it to always be about me it's about the conversation the one about helping people helping people get what they want I mean, I'm going to get what I want in the long run I'm not going to do it you know in this you know I'm not trying to be like Gandhi and say " I" I'm going to give up everything.

I think you should be paid very well for what you do. Shout out to the joker. If you do something good, you should get paid for it, but I think people should also recognize that it's better to do it than to hurt your feelings. what's coming out of this, for the haters the naysayers, the critics for any of us, look, do it better, do it better and get defeated by someone on that side, but trying to silence people because they don't agree , that's not what this country is, that's our first amendment. our first amendment, yeah, I mean, if you want to go somewhere where you can't speak freely, go to China, yeah, and go ahead and make some comments about the government, go ahead and see what happens and I think it's important to you. .

I know they come to do press and things like this and as this continues, you're going to get tough questions, uncomfortable questions and I think at the end of the day, if I know I'm doing this in good faith, the reason I'm not doing it to hurt anyone. I'm not doing it to be too sensational and anyone who knows me would say they've been talking about this stuff forever so the reason we're here now is just my 15 minutes, there will be someone else. but the thing is the people we touch, the people we help along the way, that's the legacy, so maybe my marriages didn't work out, but I'm building a legacy in some ways that I'm satisfied with the work being done.

There you have it, Kevin, I appreciate you coming, thank you, I hope to have you again in the future, congratulations on your success and I wish you all the best, thank you very much, peace, peace.