What is the best way to learn Ancient Greek? Review of ATHENAZE and other methods

Hello Hello Hello everyone and I'm luke and this is polimothy and this is not the normal type of video that I normally do on Fridays because I'm working on quite a few that I want to edit properly but I've always posted something. on Fridays and I'm not going to stop now and there's actually a really important topic that I think is worth discussing: how the hell can we actually

learn

ancient

Greek? People have asked me this a lot in the comments, so I thought I'd do it. do a short livestream and briefly go over some of these

methods

.

Feel free to ask questions here on the live stream and in the comments later and I'll let you know

what

I think, so I've been studying

ancient

Greek. Since I've been studying Latin, but my Latin is of course much better, um and uh, that's not really because the language is necessarily harder, although there are some obvious things that make Latin easier for most people, especially if they speak English or Italian. or French or Spanish, so they are

learn

ing ancient Greek, but most of them are superficial and really the reason why ancient Greek is difficult to learn is because the materials that exist are not necessarily the

best

, so I want to talk about those things today, so let's first compare it to the

best

way to learn Latin, one of the best ways to learn Latin, which is, of course, Roman family and you might be familiar with this if you're not and you want to learn Latin.

Of course, this is the way I recorded all the audio from uh on my

other

scorpio martians channel, but the cool thing about this book is that you only need it to learn the whole Latin language here, let me just put up the sidebar there. You go, teach everything through the images and the marginal notes through a map and start with these wonderful simple sentences in the past tense and so on. There is nothing exactly like this for ancient Greek, which is the problem many of us might have. because there are very good books out there and I will talk about some of them.

So in the military we say: the end result from the beginning,

what

is the end result from the beginning, since this does not exist in a truly complete form and for ancient Greek, what can we do, unless you are doing many good questions? I will answer them after giving the conclusion from the beginning, so in my opinion, the conclusion from the beginning is that's how you should learn. Greek or this I think is a way that will work for most people. I've been testing this for the better part of a year. Use my ancient Greek inaction series.

I will watch this series of videos a little. of that uh right now how to play it in the background hopefully from the way my uh looks my video quality is pretty good here very happy about that so what this does is it teaches all the basics of grammar, um pretty much. a lot of this here let me do this um in the full context of uh of the language just using images audio and that's all this is very similar to aleph with beth doing this is similar to french in action uh elephant beth teaching something biblical Hebrew, for Of course, so this is where you should start.

There are 12 such videos so far. I haven't done any more in the last few months because I want to refine the method, but essentially the idea was to achieve that

athenaze

, which is. this book is very well known and we will see why it is so well known here so this is where you should be that is what you want to do and then what you should do well what you should do next is go if you are not If you are a native speaker of Italian or if you don't speak Italian very fluently, the next thing you should do is go to this version of Athena, which I call that.

Athena is a UK version and it's the uh it's the version that was released in the UK written by a Brit and an American balmy and the wall and this may not be the one that most people know, which actually It's the Italian version, but I'll talk about that in a moment, so this has a complete narrative, it's kind of like a nouvelle and it continues a story about this character called dicapolis uh, the Cairo police and what it does is give you a basic vocabulary that you need to learn well as well as esteem means that's a good word to know so that means says speaks and then it has this narrative now these aren't the super easy sentences that we just looked at for Latin is um but let me know what it's like. my uh my audio is hopefully pretty clear um so the caius ju police, so he is an athenian capitalist and he doesn't live in the city of athens itself but in the countryside etc. so this is what it's about but it's not immediately understandable, as a Roman family, which is a bit to their detriment, but all we need to know is gloss, these are glosses, we have a single word and then it is equivalent in English here, this is much better than the grammar translation without process, learning languages ​​through raw grammar translation, that is, you just learn about a grammatical concept like the possessive form the genitive case and then you learn how to do it and translating from Greek to English or whatever your native language is is incredibly painful and boring so this is better than that, however for the most part it is very similar because it still explains These basic grammatical things are still much friendlier than a more painful pure grammar translation method, although now that being said it is not as famous because there is an

other

version called Thanos and this is the Italian version. posted by vivarium and this has all the same things, in fact, I'll go back to the beginning where I was and we see here that there are a lot more images.

Things are introduced by marginal notes very similar to Roman family, which is great and this is so even this is so if you can say that this is a house with fields and that cleros is an estate or in a partition of land a farm, however, only half of the vocabulary is introduced in context as small micros large or long macros actually because the rest is glossed in Italian, now the images make it very nice, shovels or digging in the field, so we can understand a lot from the context, but we also need to know another language besides ancient Greek, we can't understand everything. context in this case is Italian now most people in the world don't speak Italian, they speak English of course, and that's why it makes a lot of sense to use the British version, the United Kingdom, Athenazol United Kingdom, which is how I put it.

I call and not this one but this one is much more attractive not only that what happened is vivarium uh miraglia they took these the original text they made it much longer they repeated many important verbs and concepts to try to give that important repetition watch my extensive reading video where I speak , I talk about how you can use something like this audio, by the way, I've recorded the audio for most of this volume and all of the UK volume for free, I posted it on patreon because it's so easy to post. audio there audio there but it's free for anyone in the world to listen to and download and eventually there will be links in the description so you can access them if you go to bootcamp.com you'll find all my audio recordings there so which one Is this the method I recommend?

As good as even the UK one is the UK version of Athena is for native English speakers. It is very imperfect because it still starts out quite difficult. You should never have done it. background on some other things before even trying it, I think San Jose, UK, and because it's so hostile I'd say probably most people except them, although it's still better than most

methods

, so use my ancient Greek inaction, uh. series if I have this, I made these 12 videos that would cover all the vocabulary and grammar needed to understand the um let's see let's put one of these on the background to understand all the grammar and vocabulary to start chapter one of Athena. said about euthanasia in the UK, okay, so I do all this in ancient Greek, talking about here, yeah, about this and that and all these different things, um, uh, uh, you know, we okalamos the pen , that's how, that's the idea, watch those 12 videos and then read the first chapter of Thin as a uk then read the first chapter of Athena, say Italia, etc., and stick with it, and because then, if why would you use the Italy version, you would use the Italy version because well, it's better, um and why is it better?

Because it has a lot more ancient Greek narrative and it has more imagery so effectively. What you do is like before chapter two, you will have learned basic grammatical concepts and vocabulary and then you will be able to access the Italian version. You see the photos, there are these glosses here, but if you don't know Italian, something that few people know obviously and you can still use this budget, you don't need it because you will have already learned it in the previous chapter, um, the 12 ancient Greek videos. in action so far are designed to prepare you at least for chapter one, in fact, they provide a good amount of chapter two and more, um, but then you can work on reading the British version of Athena, then the Italian version, and then reading. the UK version of cap chapter two and then it could be a little uh it could be little deway chapter two in the Italian version and you can use these images and marginal notes and then the longer narrative about twice as long per chapter, which which is important because the more we read things that are understandable and that we already understand, the more we reinforce what we need to learn and understand, that is the essence of the reading method, so that is the fundamental thing from the beginning, that is what you think you must do.

Yeah, we're asking a lot of really interesting questions here, so I'm going to address some of them now. Okay, let's start from the top. Here's a better way to do anything. No, this is the title of the YouTube video. this is what i recommend this is what i do with my students those 12 videos of ancient

greek

in action that give you so much in context so are you ready for

athenaze

i why use athenaze? because it's so understandable that it takes you from uh, it takes you to a good intermediate level where you can read Aristophanes, we can certainly read biblical Greek.

It is also very important to say that Koine Greek is ancient Greek. People don't always remember that or people believe in that currency. because I think classical Greek is ancient Greek like currency and Greek is not going to be Greek it's ancient Greek, it's all these different varieties of ancient Greek. uh that's the reason this is palimity yeah because I speak English and I have a video. in scorpio martians where i do this but it's in latin so you can go watch it it's in my ancient

greek

through latin series which is another way to learn ancient greek if you already speak latin check out those videos um uh I don't, This is just what I usually do with my own students, so let's move on to you too.

I had just started passing through orbit and was soon tried by the name Athena. Yes, I would definitely get a good one, I think if you have a good command of Latin. It will just make it much easier to get used to ancient Greek because many of the concepts are transferable and when you are ready, use my at least all 12 videos, there will be more. Continuing with the ancient Greek action series with videos that will help you and that you can watch as I will designate, watch these videos before reading chapter two and so on and before chapters three and four so that one can make a better and more comfortable use of the weaker, more as a reader, where you already know what all the vocabulary is and you just get richer rather than being hit with the concepts, um, let's see and non-tonal, although tonal languages, um, the ancient Greek is better understood. like a language with a pitch accent like Japanese, where there are simply two high and low tones.

Tonal languages ​​have at least three. I moved to Athens and people there say that it is better to learn modern Greek and ancient Greek. There's a lot of help, I mean. I recommend learning Italian or a Romance language before learning Latin if you especially want to learn to speak it and if you want to learn a little about phonology; However, there are some really tremendous differences between modern and ancient Greek, although there are many. of things in common phonetically with Romance languages ​​like Spanish and Italian as opposed to the Greek side of things, there are things that certainly help, but sure, yes, it's necessary, but if you want, if you want to learn both. modern and ancient Greek yes, learning modern Greek is easier to learn modern Greek because there is better material and there are native speakers to talk to uh yes, learning Latin and ancient Greek is wonderful for learning all kinds of things about, certainly, about English and others languages ​​and they work very well together yes, in summary from the beginning oh yes, it is the best and thank you very much for this, that is very generous of you, thank you for this, so Princeton is stopping the language requirement, increasing Latin students and classic because of uh, well, I mean, for some reason, uh, yeah, I heard I don't work in the university setting, uh, so I mean it's a university, also private, so they can do whatever they want, um and any university.

I can do that? What do I recommend? I recommend learning these languages. I mean, if classical studentsRomana um doesn't have any words except the introduction which is written in Latin and uh translated into Spanish it doesn't have any English or any other language, just ancient Greek, so it looks a lot like the familiar Romana, which was really cool, but there's a major problem with him, uh, that we'll take a Look now, the problem with Alexandros is that he's not, um, he's not at all familiar, familiar, Roman, now he's based on a Greek.boy at home by Rouse, which is a lovely textbook but much more difficult.

I'm a lower reader and you need a supplement for a grammar translation book anyway, so I mean a wonderful reader, but the attempt here is the introduction. it's cool um what uh this uh what um oh my god I'm sorry I got his name uh avilated mario avila took a greek style at home and greatly simplified it to try to do something like feminism there's a map of greece and then there's the alphabet, but there is, um, we'll see the problem right away. The problem, I mean, depends on what your perspective is, if you're waiting for a family, Roman family, you're not going to get it, that doesn't mean it's not valuable.

I find this extremely valuable, that's why I've been using it in my live streams with chris davis ancient greek through latin subscribe to scorpio martial um and that's because we see it. I also recorded this entire textbook from my patreon followers. Thanks by the way to all of you, so this assumes that you can actually read the alphabet, which is not necessarily that easy for most people, so the alphabet is given at the beginning here, but there are no equivalents to the letters Romans. you have to find a way to learn the alphabet somehow and how to pronounce it and by the way, there are many different ways to pronounce ancient Greek.

Of course, I recommend Lucian's pronunciation, which together with Rafael Torigano he worked on and published. I think at least hundreds of hours of um material so far over the last year and a half since he and I developed that um pronunciation system which is pretty much in between the more archaic and more modern pronunciations of um, so I think it's useful for most people, but you know whatever, this is right, whatever you prefer anyway, so how would you know how to pronounce it? No, you might come up with something like this, it's super idiomatic if you now have this and you're the master. in the classroom you can make this dialogue happen you can do this with your students what's your name what's your name my name is luke and you do that so the students get everything from um from the context my opinion is that this book is great in class even in an ancient Greek classroom only if the teacher knows angelic Greek very well and then occasionally, as needed, you can explain some things in the vernacular, whether it's Spanish or English or Italian, whatever, but the problem is that this is no different than the Roman family where you can just use it and that's how I learned I just picked up that book and learned Latin.

I didn't need anything else or anyone else to help me, of course, I benefited greatly over the years from the help of friends. fellow teachers who knew Latin even though I was, I am essentially self-taught and only benefit from the help of other people. This has images. This is cool, so here this image tries to tell us what it means. Who can guess? I have to guess only if you don't know Greek yet. I guess you can read the alphabet and we have this image. This image, unlike the Roman one, is not strata at all, it is not clear and by itself it does not make sense. as we see, it looks like a proper noun, so it's like, hey philip, I know that name hophilipos, so philip is this, I wonder what that means and something that something, so maybe you know this is this and this is but otherwise all the vocabulary is not clear it means that I live in the fields or in the countryside and that is important, that they have done something well and then, uh, so this is philip is a farmer and he cultivates the farm, the image does not appear.

That's clear now, if you have a teacher in the classroom who can use a teaching language, I now use Latin with Chris Davis who is fluent in Latin, so we were able to learn everything using some dirt and sometimes a Latin Pretty minimal, but you. You need something in between, a teacher who is using a language you already know and is not ancient Greek or who is really involved in the classroom to help you learn the language, so that's the benefit of not having anything like what we said . yes mother, that's pretty hard to understand, this means our mother, you can do it and it's nice to have, but they feel more like notes that a student might have written to help themselves remember something learned in the classroom if that student was using only ancient Greek fatigue notes instead of didactically the best tool again.

I think this is for someone who knows ancient Greek really well to teach in a classroom and it's really great, so if you know some Latin, check out ancient Greek. Latin videos so that's the problem the best textbooks out there are way below what is needed for self study even the Athens one I don't think is really good for self study unless at least watch those first 12 ancient greek videos. in action, then I think you'll be prepared enough to do a chapter of Athena's to UK, then a chapter of Thanasae Italia and back and forth. It'll be like jumping from rock to rock uphill, uphill, but it'll be a lot easier than trying to climb a cliff, which is what most other books are like, um, okay Craig, thanks for that question, let's look at some. of your questions.

Speaking sticks, you can't even, yeah, exactly, um, any active use of language, whether it's actively reading. or well, I guess reading is passive, anything like being able to speak a little gives you the ability to really know a language. Oh, I'd love to hear Grico or Greco as it's called. They are dialects of modern Greek descended from medieval Greek. They are spoken in Italy and I have not heard anything. I've heard a little about it on YouTube, but I've never been there. They are mostly similar to modern Greek, as I understand it, so Ramona goes on to talk more about reading Greek. jacked book, I think that's reading, reading Greek takes you pretty far if you're comfortable and learning very well, otherwise use athena, something that today will be much easier at first and then it will complete your learning experience, um , that's my my opinion, honestly, I don't think I know it very well, but that's because ancient Greek is really due to the tools that exist, which are not that good, um, there are several things that Latin is really consolidated as a dialect, like Latin, which is simply Latin. latin you learn you learn latin um era ancient greek never really had the same type of standardization essentially Attic is that standardization even the coin a is actually just Attic with a different name the common Attic um but um it's uh it's a challenge because of that variety there are many synonyms and also people know Latin very well, there are not many people who know ancient Greek and people know Latin, which means that the textbooks are not that good either, this book by Alexander is really good, but it has errors which I get, especially accent stuff like there's a lot of spelling stuff and accents are really important, but anyway that's my opinion, a series from Latin to Greek, so I'd have to speak modern Greek or ancient Greek for that, no I don't know I'm sure I did a little bit of acting and theater one day in high school and college but just for fun hey there's Chris this is Chris Davis Pernox subscribe to his channel because he's awesome and because he sings with a beautiful voice and we.

I've been using this Alexandros book together and wait, wait, Angie read in Latin, yeah, that's the one that, uh, yeah, I have a couple of Athenase videos, but I was using them before using a pronunciation that I'm familiar with. I feel more comfortable. what is the pronunciation of illusion. However, I have recorded the entire volume 1 of um athena in the UK and the first half of the Italian version for free for everyone. I posted on patreon because it's good for sharing audio. Look at them. Yes, I forgot to mention ancient Greek. ancient greek alive alive is a really nice book it's a really nice book ancient greek alive I like that one by the way um I would say I have more of these um there are these readers these intermediate level things that I want to keep I use it to improve my own knowledge, um, but I really enjoy reading like Aristophanes and his works.

This work can be seen. Atish is great too. The Greek angel is more irregular in some ways. The third declension, so Latin has very clean fifth and fourth declensions. The Greek just has a huge one. third declension with about 27 different types, they are not once more variety of ancient Greek appears, but once you get used to what is happening the categories start to fill out, but that is why of course oh Yes, I already did it. To help with this, if you go to lootcraniary.com, you'll go to my audio library and then if you're interested, I recommend Latin with the Rainier marking method or the integrated method with the Rainer marking method, so here I took all.

The things you need to memorize in ancient Greek I would put on the spreadsheet. If you were to buy this, you could download it and then I have the audio recitation of all of them so you can learn by listening to them. read transcribing and keep track and try to do as many as you can before tackling something like a fan like day uh yeah, Byzantine Greek is the second medieval Greek, um, the most Byzantine Greek, although it's written on a coin, in an attic style, so that's it. overlapping, I recommend Horik's book which talks about this in more detail um mm-hmm that's right, yes, Athens is definitely the way to go.

I think, oh wow, Michael, how far from you, um, yeah, I think it was Emperor Claudius who wrote that. sallow alexis yes, absolutely, I'm behind on them. I'm looking at the methods, but they will help continue to guide people through a phenomenon. You can't use them either. You just use my videos and I believe. That would be enough to learn a lot, but it's nice to have something to help me. I like a weak essay. What is my opinion about Sanskrit? Sanskrit is great. I have hardly studied it. Yes, my monograph. It's very poor, although wait, okay, what do I think of the Septuagints?

It is the Greek translation from the 3rd or 2nd century BC. C. I'm not sure where the question is. It's great. I enjoyed reading it. I incorporated some of it. in my ancient greek in action series actually already uh russian I think the compilation that is understandable in russian there is russian with max and at least there is enough there are some really good channels that are coming out on youtube now that are really good for russian um, I haven't I used them a lot although I haven't concentrated, yes I will do more of that. I think of Arabic mosaics.

Oh yeah, yeah, well, check out my language versus dialect video. I think I answer that. Thanks Aurora, I appreciate it. They are the individuals. but I think it's an interesting theory, once an interesting notion, once languages ​​have a kind of national or cultural identity that is separate from the older language, then they start to drift more, although they have already drifted a lot in Arabic, I know perfectly. reading Greek, I think I answered well, if you have more questions let me know, Luis, I would love to learn Arabic. I don't have a good approach, except maybe using the ask email, which I tried a bit.

In fact, I have the notes I took here. Check this out a year ago when I started learning Arabic and then didn't go any further. I was just transcribing some asimio stuff. It's not impressive, it's just a bit of transcription. I thought I needed Arabic and so I did it. So I went back to the flat and Greek stuff, great George, and little to know about it, it's a very interesting language, Aristophanes, it's fun, also Lucian, you'll remember. Actually, yeah, we're going to do it and once we're done with the Alexander mythology. I'm definitely going to do more, yeah, as much as I want to do, it's been wonderful and very helpful to a lot of people being the student, the model, the model student, literally the model for the subway.

Wonderful, hey, subscribe to ayan academy, I have a video. Maybe I'll do something about ion academy here very soon, but talk about wonderful and understandable entry books similar to familia Romana for um Italian English Spanish French it's wonderful, definitely check out and subscribe to ayan academy um in Greek uh so the genitive part normally, uh, I was Reading about this today, part of the genitive is normally placed after the noun, but that's not like you know a significant difference in Latin, for example, there's no way to know, it's kind of like um, no. I would be very worried about that. reading writing is a different thing you wish they were more grammatical trans well it depends if you know if you want to translate then excellent translation I want to read fluently uh lucian and aristophanes are currently my favorites uh okay so what do you do? think about the text with literal interlinear translation listen to make what is incomprehensible understandable and in an indirect way um oh yeah, and heseen some really good interlinear stuff for um for Greek too, which is really um, they're really cool, some old I think it's cool because you can keep the syntax and you can just understand the word with a little eye movement.

Ideally you should already have a level of fluency, but anything is better than plain translation, so I love the interlinear stuff, it's very, very good. my voice is a little weak today uh hey graf, it is what it is yeah, it's okay, hey, I'm almost up to speed, those books are okay, I prefer Roman family, I'm not familiar, it sounds like a grammar translation, okay, I finally caught up with the comments, so at the end.The line in front is also the bottom line at the end, I think you should tell us, can I promote my own audiobook?

This can be very useful to get an idea of ​​all the paradigms you should have memorized. ancient greek teacher i recommend this i mean i made it for myself of course and for anyone who wants to buy it that's really good if you already know latin use ancient greek via latin live streaming series with chris davis, I have been You are more likely to benefit from watching the current 12 videos and there will be more of the ancient Greek in action, then Athena is a UK chapter one, then Athena says Italy chapter 1 and continues like this skipping to the end. series of both, this is how I believe, this is how I teach ancient Greek to my own students.

It works, there are many other methods. I think this is the method that works for most people and I think the end point you get to. just using those two things, um, yeah um, the bottom line is, I mean, you're reading Aristophanes at the end, um, that's great, that's really good, so it's equivalent to the well-known Roman Alexander, it doesn't take you as long. high, um and read Greek. it's too hard ancient greek alive it has a lot of nice reads and it's very good of all the ancient grammar translation books um ancient greek alive is one of my favorites it's super friendly and cute and a lot of turtles the turtles are really cute um uh oops wait where did you go what would you do after you finished the book fantasy um you can read primary things so yeah uh oh yeah, the police the police was one of the ones who wouldn't talk about the police, it's not good for self-study I need someone who knows ancient Greek to tell you taught it or you already know enough to learn for yourself the things that are there.

You can use a dictionary or something. I've been recording a whole sia for my patreon. followers, um, yeah, my comment is that it's great, just like any other similar course for the most part. uh, if you like gusty food type courses, I've certainly gotten a lot out of it and, um, yeah, use it, you'll get some conversational stuff. of that, not bad, oh, here we go, sorry, I see this question, yes, oh, God, what is Montegrey called for the classicists who publishapaideia? I actually have a video about this on this binary channel for classes for class aids check it out check out my youtube video uh what does it mean but what do you think of the Greek in the Septuagint?

So read if you really want to know a much more informed opinion than mine, read Horik's book, which tells the entire history of the ancient Greek language, um, he speaks. About this, one of the things he says is that people have accused biblical Greek, whether the Septuagint or the New Testament, of being something Semitic, something like Hebrew or like Aramaic, but he shows that you can't really blame him. to that. because if you look at the native Greek letters and other written things where there is clearly no influence of the Semitic languages, sorry, modern ancient Greek on that currency and Greek in that time period and especially in the lower registers was doing similar things anyway. by coincidence so yeah there might be some influence but not necessarily it's not addict style but that's because of that good illusion so I think I commented on this yeah police I think you need a teacher same thing that with alexandros, you need a teacher, these are all great books they are nothing like the familiar Roman, I mean familiar, it's like ion academy, subscribe to ion academy and for books in modern languages ​​subscribe to ayan ayan academy, a and a n academy, oh I'm late, no comments now.

I'm really behind on the comments um yeah alexandros it's a lot harder thanks for asking this question I'm happy to repeat it coin a greek is a form of ancient greek classical greek is another form of ancient greek homeric greek is another form of greek ancient, they all have their incomes and the same basic grammar and vocabulary, um, and they are considered different from modern Greek, I think Amazon should have most of them, if not, of course, wonderful Latin, it's nice to read, um , why should I learn Latin? You mean to access Greek? Yes, if you haven't, you can get good enough materials.

You don't need to use Latin as an intermediary. I like it. I'm immersing myself in the ancient Roman world that way. The Latin lingua series is identical wherever you buy it, except that it's some of the books in the Italian version that are tied together in the Latin disco as the colloquial personarum and there's a query about a manual that's there, um, and what of it? On the contrary, yes, it's all in that book, I think it's more convenient actually the stuff from Italy, but you get all the stuff from the people who publish whether you're in North America or classical culture or Latin disco or wherever you buy the book.

Latin slang series, okay? My voice is getting tired so I'll take a couple more here uh yeah, we use Athena and you'll be able to access them. I will definitely make more videos on martian loyalty and scoring to talk about them to some extent uh no I don't like the Latin method okay I disagree with you sir vehemently to each his own it's that there is nothing better. I have a video on pitch accent for my Patreon followers, though let's see too, put that up there, check out these others. Well, I'm going to do it and everyone here, if you have any other questions that I didn't answer, leave a comment.

I will try to respond as soon as possible. Thank you very much for being here. I hope this was helpful. Use Ancient. greek in action athena is a uk chapter one nothing is an italy chapter one so fourthly, go back and forth and any of these other resources if you like them, but that's what I use with my students. Thank you very much and see you next time.