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It's a strange title for a oh, it's not a political party, it's a pressure group, I suppose, within the Conservative party, but it just conjures up as soon as you say National Conservatism, people think of National Socialism and I don't think that's a good name. for a group like that no, but you do, don't you think so, no, when I hear National Conservatism, I don't think they are National Socialists, well, I do and I am horrified that they have given it this name. Mr phrase, nationalism is not also in and you could look at, say, the Scottish National party and call them Scottish nationalists in Parliament most of the time in nationalism, in general, has had a bad reputation or negative connotations in many cases , but in others I will probably say that there are also a lot of positive things there in terms of Pride and in terms of Heritage and Country etc., and this is probably about debating the balance there and our position on that.

I think if you read reports of Solubleman's speech you tend to focus on the fact that she was effectively criticizing her own policies, which seems a bit old school for a Home Secretary. I don't think it's necessarily criticizing the policies, but she's in a situation where she's certainly very frustrated. we look at things like small ships, we'll talk a lot about the culture wars and reaffirm a lot of those things and things that would be talked about not only at a conservative conference but also at those with those values ​​and I think her really talking about the frustration that there is and how hard the work is to get this understood and it's not just about what's in the government, of course, these are social issues too and they are some of the things that were explored at that conference, it's not just government. it's a broad society in Britain absolutely shocking speech um I thought it was absolutely horrible and do you know if the

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I'm pretty sure they will. I think people are sick of them um. It was clear: yes, you may have been expounding on her values, but she was clearly criticizing the extent to which she is allowed to operate the way she does under her current prime minister, so she was clearly playing her game, I think for the conservatives. leadership and when they lose the elections, which I 100 believe they will because the country is fed up with them, we will see what happens. Do you think she would have a chance of getting it? I couldn't tell you what Brendan's views are, could you?

I mean, do you think? I mean, let's say it was her. Cami Bay didn't spend more than maybe. Do you think she would have a good chance? Well, I think we're going to win the next general. elections here and I'm an eternal optimist here, I think if you look at what 1992 was like and when we got the majority in 2015, the elections are a year and a half away and I think this fatalistic idea, well, we don't say it. I was like we have no idea, well we'll have to see, but in this kind of fatalistic idea that everything is a foregone conclusion, we still have to really see, I think what the work really represents and what kirstalma represents, which ones It's the real policies and stuff, so there's a long way to go and I think if Rishi Sonak can deliver and he has those five promises, I'm sure other things will come as well, so I still think we can really do it and how does it go with the five promises um well, I think obviously the economy, I mean some would say it's actually three promises, isn't it one that looks at the economy improving, growing, keeping inflation low, addressing the backlog and then?

Of course, stopping the ship, so stopping the ships, of course, is a work in progress. We have enacted legislation. We want to see Rwanda's plan. The flight is literally taking off there. And, of course, inflation is the great enemy for all of us. Right now, as we've seen with all the salary negotiations and so on, but I think we're moving in the right direction. I'm not looking at Charlotte's problem, but I can feel steam rising from the areas, stop the ship, stop the ships and the culture wars um, as Suella bravaman says, it's just a way to distract from the real problems we're dealing with. people in this country are really struggling, including, as you mentioned, inflation.

The increase in food prices. High unemployment rates. The NHS is in crisis. We have talked about many. of these topics earlier in the program, but they are the topics that Suella Bravaman is not necessarily talking about and that she should address together with her government and a totally failed town that is just trying to put a roof over her head . Heat your homes. and they're inside queuing outside the food banks and I think it's absolutely appalling that the focus is on small boats, for God's sake, with desperate people trying to get here, often fleeing places of persecution and instead to help them as is our duty until the refugee convention.

We are turning them away and apparently we are going to prohibit people who desperately need it from applying for asylum. I think it is a serious accusation

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st this government. What do you think of the speech she gave at this conference where most people, other than Brendan, I interpreted it as her effectively saying, "Well, I may be Home Secretary, but I can't do anything. I don't think I'm allowed to do anything right. I think that's really interesting because what it tells me is that this is a terrifying prospect if she can't do anything as Home Secretary and she's done so many things and I think she's done tremendous damage to this country.

What would this country be like if she were Prime Minister? And I think that's what is a terrifying prospect. National Conservatism may be a bit of a strange name and I can see why it puts people off, but actually I think there are some ideas interesting ones out there; it's the central debate on the right right now. I think how assertive the government should be. and a lot of people who call themselves conservatives are part of the conservative party, they're basically liberals who think the government should get out of the way, but that weird group and they're not really coherent, they don't really agree with each other.

I think they did the conference the last few days, they are arguing that the government should be more assertive, they should say these are our values, we are going to go and fight for them and impose them, basically, so that the parts that everyone is upset about in the Home Secretary's Speech I suspect that if you did an opinion poll and quoted them among ordinary voters, they would not be as dismayed as the people sitting around this table. That's not what would discourage people about this conference from being tough on immigration and the rest. These are the more Christian elements that many of the parliamentarians involved were talking about, that suddenly I think that, although it is popular in the United States, they have a large Christian conservative vote, the national conservatives and the movement started there, there is an attempt importing it to the UK I'm very skeptical that it was actually going to have any traction here in the UK just to expand on it a bit because it's something I must admit I haven't picked up on, so this whole group is sort of a Group of Christian evangelism Well, I wouldn't say that, but it was started by an Israeli, actually Israeli, Jewish political philosopher named Joram Hasani, but he's leading this great movement in America that has real traction and is influencing some of the big presidential elections. candidates in the Republican Party and you know, in America there is a large Christian vote, so there is a lot of real social conservatism, um, that has to do with family, you know, helping women stay home to care to children instead of going out to work, you know much stricter rules about the kind of woke culture, worries, those kinds of things that work incredibly well in the US and here it's a bit of an experiment, I think to see whether people will sit and listen when they listen.

This kind of thing is talked about, I think the UK is very, very different and if you look for those real social conservatives, there aren't many of them. Brendan's religion hasn't played much of a role in British politics, well I'm sure. People we can all think of areas where it might have worked in the past but at the moment I want to say we all remember Alastair Campbell saying we don't make God and that has generally been the case in British politics. I'm a little skeptical about this development, I mean, there are some fair points there and I speak as a former high school teacher, so it was a link there, yeah, yeah, so

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, it's all you know, this flag and faith, and again, and if I was defending politics in the United States, they asked me what church I go to and things that you would never think of asking people here because, in general, it is not a problem, I think that if you really look at the role. of faith in this country, in terms of what our real values ​​are, then I think you can say that there is an influence, there are some people who know if you are a Muslim Christian or if you are Jewish, etc. or if you have no faith at all, I mean, there are all those little things that are there, if we are explicitly as religious as some in the United States, I would probably

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it, the same thing that Freddie said, but in terms of politics.

Certainly the values ​​are there, if not the religion itself, but when you look at what has happened to the Republican Party since the early 2000s, where they effectively described me now as not a political party, it is a quasi-religious sect and That has discouraged moderate Republicans from supporting him. They are very fractured. Aren't they there as a Republican party? You will have Trump supporters. You have the evangelical side. There is the Tea Party movement. There are all other types of movements. there too and I think with the conservative party we have always managed to be that broad Church and we will mention that on the more socially conservative side there are other parliamentarians who will describe themselves as a nation.

A nation can mean all kinds of things, there you have people who are more liberal, more libertarian, you will have people who are more traditional center right or who will be more socially conservative, as we say, so I think the trick is that you need to keep all these people. within the church in general, if you'll excuse the phrase uh, that has always been the strength of the conservative party. I think if we are too narrow and you lose, that's how you lose elections, so we still have to be that party for everyone. I think there is a broad church and then there is the identity crisis, the existential crisis, who we are and what we believe in, and I think most people feel that that is where the British Conservatives are heading in their defense if you look a

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the pond while we were talking. about the Republicans or even more so last week we had Donald Trump in a big town hall on CNN that was talked about a lot where he praised the new Supreme Court ruling on abortion saying that he considers it a great victory, this is a type whose personal morals aren't exactly strict and who has never been against abortion in his entire life, so it's even more chaotic there than it is here, well that's a good start to the show, we have more topics ahead if you could.

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talk question from Britain's leading conversation with Ian Dale, tweet on LVC at 8:18, Brendan Clark Smith is here MP conservative by Bassett Law, Bell Ribera, ADI, labor MP4, stratum I. I was just asking who your predecessor was because I can't throw a lunatic at him and there's a name we haven't heard in a long time, maybe it's Bell, but it was, I mean, it's literally on LBC practically every day for about three days. years and now I haven't seen him in years um Charlotte prowman is here human rights lawyer and Freddie Sayers editor of unheard.com uh Claire in Westminster is rarely ignored, now they will listen to her hi Claire, good evening Ian and the panel, I can?

Say, what an honor to talk to Belle. She highly praised her efforts to obtain reparations for the African Holocaust. It's just incredible now that we officially know that Brexit has failed, as highlighted by Nigel Farage and Anne Widicum, what are we going to do about it? I can't, I'm not going to go first with Brendan again, let's go first with Belle, well I think the problem is that the person who said Brexit is Feld wants it to go further and everyone else who is feeling the effects of Brexit brexit. failing actually wants this nightmare to end.

The reality of the situation is that we can't just go back to Europe and say we want to, that's not going to happen, so we're going to have to find a way around it, but what happens? what the government is doing at the moment by scrapping all the EU legislation, which I should point out has now become UK law, we put it into our legislation, so the idea that we are going to scrap it all, deleting everything doesn't make any sense?That is not the way forward that will not lead to a closer relationship with those who were our largest trading partners and we must look forward and perhaps one day we will rejoin the EU, but you have to remember that, first of all, you We beg to come in, they wouldn't make it that easy for us, no, and Andrew Marr had a German politician on his show earlier, who basically said there will be no culling, right?

We will accept it on our terms if it absolutely comes back and we must remember that we were given so many things to opt out, we did not join the single currency, there were so many different regulations that we were given the opportunity to opt out of, there were so many things that we were allowed to do and then when we went to negotiate we literally went to them and said: "Well, we are Britain, give us what we want, that is no way to negotiate and that is why in the end we got such a deal." trash".

As far as I'm concerned, I don't think it's too early to judge. I mean, this is being written because Nigel Farage says Brexit has failed, but no one is looking at the context. Surely we have to wait a little longer. Bloomberg. has predicted that we are losing, we are losing £100 billion a year. We are the only G7 country that has not and has not seen a rebound since the pandemic in terms of our economy. You know things are bad. bad and people say: "We have to wait a few more years, but what more do we need to see more crops rotting in the fields?

More travel chaos, you know, the shortage of our workers being able to go to the EU, that?" Do you need to see more? It's okay to believe it. I am going to try to argue why Brexit has not failed. It's not going to be the normal one and I should say I voted remain and you know I normally don't. a great Brexit man, but I think if you zoom out a bit, the vote at the time wasn't about economics, the Remain campaign was all about economics and people rejected it anyway, so I don't think anyone You might be surprised that it wasn't like that. great economic aid was really a kind of rejection of globalization.

I think people felt that they didn't want to live in some kind of One World Order where everything was equal and there were these big supernatural national organizations. I wanted things to be smaller, more national and I like, although I suspect most people around the table don't like it, the world feels a lot less globalized than it did in 2016 and you could say in really quite scary ways. , but it's completely unrecognizable world, you know, we have it, the Brexit vote set in motion a series of events, obviously, Trump came later, but all kinds of populist governments, suddenly, we no longer live in that hyper-globalized world, the people are much more national and there are many There are different types of economics that we do, I think that's the tension and they never squared that, and you know, Nigel Farage, he goes on the news at night and says he failed because the two things he wanted they were less immigration and you know, ultra-Thatcherite free market policies. uh, in economics and it didn't end with either of them, what about Brendan's view that uh, in economic terms, I mean, there have been, as I always said, which really irritates people, quite a few obstacles in the way, but it's not Brexit's fault that this government has been so incompetent in implementing it, okay?

I think you have to look at the circumstances behind this and what Freddie says is a cultural phenomenon as well as an economic one. The same as taking back control is not just about Immigration, you see people stuck to the roads or whatever, it is more of an idea and it goes further, but Brexit I always say that it is not a switch that is flipped overnight and suddenly it happens, it is a process and it is a process that may take a long time, but it will develop and develop over time, just as the EU did when it was originally the Coal and Steel Community , if you look at what started with the Benelux countries and moved on.

As it turns out, the EU evolved over a fairly long period of time, just like Brexit, it will be fine now. We can point to things like the pandemic and say that has caused problems and some of the successes so far, like the signing of trade deals or during the vaccines and things like that and I think the best is yet to come here, but with Nigel Farage no I don't think I was saying that Brexit has failed, but I'm referring to the fact that there are 4,000 regulations that are still there. January 2020, so they've been there for three years, why the hell hasn't anything been done to get rid of it?

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ing Dean Doris' show the other night and she was really bashing Rishi soon. six months they haven't really done anything about it and I'm thinking so, but you were a cabinet minister under a government led by Boris Johnson, the guy who got Brexit done in quotes and none of these regulations were abolished then, so , why so I've exercised about it now well this is what I think if you keep in mind we might not necessarily disagree with all of them some of them might be pretty simple things there's quite a bit of consensus No one has suggested that the four thousand were simply going to be eliminated, that's what some people were saying.

I'd like to see evidence of balance, wouldn't you? And that's why I think there is a delivery problem, sometimes you can overpromise and I think the number of regulations, since you don't choose them, sometimes they increase and you realize that you have a deadline, you have all the departments to do it and it really is a more sensible approach to reassure people and say that if there is a regulation that we don't like, we can get rid of it and we can eliminate it because now we have regained control. That worries me more than seeing how the four thousand get rid of them. suddenly and saying, "Oh, actually, yeah, we agreed on two or three hundred of them, maybe we should have kept them, so I want it done right.

I want it done in a reasonable amount of time if we could do it." within time." limiting it is great, but if we can't, you know, let's not make a mess, let's do it properly and pick the things that we really want to get rid of and not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but you said we're just pointing out that you said we had achieved Brexit or that Boris had achieved Brexit and Brendan is saying it's a process so we're still doing it, which is it? How much time will it take? To say this in 10 years, we need to get Brexit done.

I mean, I don't know about anyone else at this table. I'm sick of hearing about Brexit. I don't want to trivialize the issue because I know that you know the significant impact it has on the lives of ordinary people and it includes the law, as well as the lawyers who go to court and observe how the regulations are changing, although very slowly, but now You know, in November of last year it ruled a poll and it was about 56 percent of the people. they said they wouldn't vote for Brexit, they oppose it, so I think if maybe we'll have another vote now just to say if we were a permanent like a staunch permanent.

I think we will get a very different outcome now, but my concern really is what is the damage that is being caused as a result of Brexit the damage caused by the narrative and the discourse about who is British and the types of xenophobic and sometimes downright racist language hostility that was used to support Brexit and the hostility that has also been caused to immigrants and many European citizens living here who then felt that this was no longer their home; those who as a result wanted to make Britain their home and, you know, I think that will cause lasting damage. but almost 6 million we thought it was 3 million but it turned out to be something like 5.8 million and they are still here, they have an established status and um, I mean, I think overall, I mean, I accept that there was a very divisive debate. which occurred not only not only actually not particularly in the referendum that I thought the campaign wasn't that divisive but actually it was in the two years after and it turned into a really nasty and horrible debate and I think people said things which should not have been said or even thought about, but they were and it is quite difficult to go back, but I think we have surely entered a much calmer period in this debate.

Well, I don't think I mean the question you asked earlier about Sue Ella Braven, the kinds of rhetoric that you know have arisen as a result of her potentially throwing leadership into bed and certainly some of that may be a Brexit harder storage, who knows. You know, I'm just assuming that Freddie said that actually Brexit might be a rejection of globalization and maybe we've now come to a position where we feel like we're more nationalistic in terms of our potentially living ideology. in a smaller type of life I think you put it or something like that in a smaller type of world that we are in now I don't think that's the case that's all I think it's a myth we're still in a globalized country You know, we have social media , at the moment we can travel freely or have a beard, if you want to spend more time in Europe you need a visa, so it is more difficult, but our lives in general have not changed significantly.

Globalization is here. stay and I think that, you know, feeding this myth is what has gotten us into this really difficult situation. I think we have to back off and I don't know how we do it other than a Labor government that is going to support potentially another referendum, but that's not going to happen, it's better, you know, hello spell, that's going to happen, that's very above my pay grade, but as someone who voted against someone voted against a deal, I think we need to have a proper conversation about Brexit. which is aside from all the horrible rhetoric you just heard about um and if that conversation leads to some kind of vote, then fine, but I don't think we should have ever put this up for discussion. referendum I don't think the country trusts the people no no no because I don't trust the people because I don't think it's right to govern the country by referendums by literally asking a yes or no question during the last Labor government. some were not I I I don't know I don't know to be honest I'll be honest with you I have no idea how many there were but I I I I I don't know I don't do referendums Switzerland is in New Zealand is it effectively governed by referendums and in many American states every November they will have a state referendum on a particular issue.

What's wrong with culture? That's because you didn't get the answer you wanted. No, not at all. because think about it like you heard it, if we ran the question again we would get a different answer and how many different times are we going to run the question. I think it's just not the way to do it because you can't make an informed yes or no choice, we don't live our lives in black and white, that's not how things work and if you can't give people full information and then they turn around and say you didn't actually tell me You'll probably find a lot of people saying, yeah, kill the, kill the criminals, kill them all is something we would do especially if this happens.

Yes to your question or should there be another referendum. No, it wasn't necessarily. I was saying that if the conversation we need to have a proper and informed conversation. conversation and if that led to one, then you know it would be something that would be something that would be something that I would eat, that would be something in the obstacle, but I don't think the country should be governed by reference, do you think that's Kirst then? The armor should show some real leadership and said: "Okay, look, we can see the effects of Brexit." It's an absolute disaster.

If I become Prime Minister, I will take us back to the EU. That would be real leadership, wouldn't it, but you. you know what no one can just stand up and say this is what I was saying earlier we can't just stand up and say we're going to go back to the EQ who thinks they're just going to sit there? Yeah, it's just not going To make it happen, we begged to get in, we made them mad when we left, it wouldn't be that easy. Okay, it's such a complex topic too and it comes down to getting in or getting out.

You know, you just need to make a strong political statement and then. that's the end of it and one of the other issues that are discussed, as well as the impact that it has had on Scotland, you know, and potentially Scotland leaving the UK, as you would like to know, the SMP. I think the prospect of that happening at the moment is Although in less than 20 years the rhetoric that emerged as a result of Brexit caused a lot of damage between relations between England, Wales and Scotland, well, you could say that the rhetoric that emerged from the 2014 referendum caused the same number of devices, so if we remember the horrible things that were said during that, I said we have to move on to another topic in a minute, but let's first look at the news headlines on 8 32 with Tim Daly Great Britain andThe EU have agreed to strengthen their cooperation on migration Downing Streets will see a new working agreement between British agencies and the European border and the Coast Guard A serving member of the Metropolitan Police has been charged with rape Thames Valley Police say PC Callum Utley will appear before magistrates in High Wickham in Buckinghamshire on Thursday and rivers swollen by days of heavy rain have flooded some towns in northern Italy in Venice authorities are preparing to activate a mobile barrier to protect him of a high tide flooding LBC meteorological rainfall easing in the north and east tonight but largely dry overnight with a low of 2 degrees this is an LBC cross question with Ian Dale on LBC Brendan Clark Smith Bell Ribeiro Addie Charlotte provin and Freddie Sayers with us answering your questions the number to call 0345-6060-973 here is an email question from Ian saying what would be the panel to stop supermarkets profiting at this time when they have so much money available now you are going to see unprecedented promotions from them to gain more market share look at Tesco setting Club card only prices and now Sainsbury's doing the same with nectar card holders I must admit that on the rare occasions I do supermarket shopping, it really makes me angry if I go into Tesco and those are two different things, I myself fiddle with my phone trying to open the app to scan it, so I can understand it, no, I just go to another supermarket, they lose, they lose my business because it bothers me, um, sure, let's go to Charlotte, um, I'm going to ask a provocative question, I know that might surprise you, Ian, what do you think? on the nationalization of supermarkets Bell Rivera added that this is his opportunity to demonstrate his socialist credentials.

A situation where we see people having to rely on food banks and many of the supermarkets themselves are providing food donations. I don't think it's right for them to do it. make this level of profit the same way gas companies should make this level of profit, there is enough food in this country for everyone, it's just not getting to the right people, so nationalizing them I'm not too sure about that. but by nationalizing the situation we are making sure that everyone gets the food we need. You see, that was me thinking you're a Minister called Down the Line who nationalizes anything now.

He wouldn't nationalize everything he does. Why does everyone think socialism? it's about nationalizing everything because traditionally it has been no, there is no socialism, socialism points to a situation in which we nationalize things, um, public services, absolutely surely. I mean, obviously I'm going to play devil's advocate, but I would say the food supply, I mean that. That's kind of useful, right? And people should have the right to food. In fact, my colleague Ian Byrne in Liverpool has just sparked a whole movement in terms of a right whereby the right to food should be enshrined in law, but that doesn't necessarily mean that on Earth it should be done That, there are many different ways to avoid it.

I mean, we know, for example, that we've grown food in this country and we know that we have the resources to make sure that everyone in this country has what they need in terms of food and it's the same as you as a universal basic income. I would say that making sure everyone has what they need to eat doesn't mean they can't go to Tesco and buy something from Tesco's best range, say, on your own, champagne. I was thinking about food banks and obviously we've seen enormous growth in them and in some ways it's the nationalization of food, isn't it making food freely available to communities? it's not necessarily provided yes I agree with you, it's not exactly provided by the state, it's provided by the community, so it's provided by the third sector of charities.

No, I hear you, but imagine if that was provided by the state so that there were places for people to go. who receive social benefits and are below the poverty line, which I think should be much higher, but there we have it and they could go to these places and access not only tin food, which is often what is available in food banks, but also fresh products. So, like Bell said, everyone had access to fresh food and they didn't need to be cured and you know, undignified ways outside of food banks, they're kids who rely on free school meals when they can access them, but instead everyone had at least a basic standard. of food supply, you know, and we all see that now in Sainsbury's and Tesco's they usually have a big box at the entrance or at the exit when you leave and you can put food in so that it can then be distributed to the food banks or to people who they need it.

And so on, that's the right way to do it, so yes, but also why are customers left to complete the supplies? You've given Sainsbury's or Tesco, for example, the opportunity to provide food, haven't you? Why don't they contribute? Are they paying their fair share of taxes? Yes, that's a good question. So many questions. Freddie. I have another question and we're supposed to be proud of our arms. We're talking about special rewards for Club cards and, in fact, what worries me is all this data that these supermarkets are collecting and all these big corporations that they are collecting, they want you to take the price of the club card so you can register in their plan and can track everything you buy on all platforms. and they are getting enormous amounts of information about everyone.

I think a growing proportion of people are really concerned because they want, they don't want their decisions to be dictated by big corporations, different from visiting websites and all of a sudden an ad. Something pops up that you may have used on another website 10 minutes ago. I mean, it's the same principle, right? Yeah, people don't like that either. I'm not sure they care as much as the Club cards, but do they have the club cards to be able to access your data? If it's running in the background on your phone and you have your location set, they will know where you are, they will know how close you are to a Tesco and they will know how.

You will often know how much money you are spending at Tesco and they also know this and target you with ads. I think it's pretty scary. I'm sorry again. You know when you speak. You know when we're like chatting, like we probably do from time to time, you talk about something really dark and then you find an ad pops up on your phone 10 minutes later, that's really scary, scary, isn't it? Great, Brendan, we do this in politics. I'll ask you another question, please, Joe, well, this is what we're addressing and we're addressing voters in particular, the people who are most likely to vote for you.

You look at certain age groups and things and you look at, you know, knocking on certain doors, now politicians have been doing this, well, you know, people do surveys on all kinds of things and that's what happens in the world, It is marketing and the nature and change of marketing, but in defense. from the supermarkets, you know, they pay a lot of taxes, they employ a lot of people, we have people like Morrisons in my constituency who do really excellent community work, they donate a lot of things to charities as well and it's also the free market, you know, if you want . cheaper food and if you want to combat the effects of inflation then you need competition in the market to do it now.

Don't you think they've been benefiting for the last year? There is no way that some of the things that they have contributed is 50 100 should have been contributed for that amount, well that is what you can buy something somewhere else and that is the goal of pro. I want people to make profits, you know, I don't want to. that the government has to intervene because they are making huge losses and then they are not paying any taxes to sell, so making a profit is not a bad thing. I think if you're profiting and taking advantage, I think the way Sometimes farmers are treated well just for that, so there's another text question here about this from Willing Crediton, who says: Would the panel agree that Should supermarkets be legislated to pay farmers more for their produce and limit the margin they can make? on raw products such as eggs and meat.

I am a sheep farmer and the amount we get for produce has not increased despite our production costs skyrocketing. The farms will go bankrupt without help now, obviously, he will speak out of self-interest, but look. Whatever product farmers are producing right now, milk, whether it's eggs or anything else, supermarkets not paying them a fair price is something the government should intervene on. I would encourage all supermarkets to pay a fair price and again Free month is a good balance, you know, you don't want to get to the point where it affects the consumer and people are playing with high prices with inflation again because you have artificially inflated it So I think really if you have to make sure they get a fair price, you have supermarkets, so I've also lost leaders in things like alcohol, you don't want to get to the point where of course you have milk and eggs. and basic things are not available and we have seen during the pandemic when things disappear from the shelves as the first thing that people buy.

Certainly now I want to say that if you go to supermarkets often there are no cucumbers, there are no tomatoes, sometimes there is no bread and we see people posting photos of one of them on Twitter showing the fact that there is simply no fresh produce available. What are you doing about it? What time do you go to the supermarket? You know, I once went to five supermarkets to find tomatoes and cucumbers, nothing what. Are you making Heinz baked beans? Know? Heinz Baked Beans says the price went up with that and people say oh this can has gone up 50 or whatever based on the test, should we say some people say yes?

I think so and so do we. It is necessary to point out the fact that many times it is cheaper for farmers because they cannot get people to help them gather the crops to plow what they have and bury it again, it is cheaper to do that to harvest So we're wasting a bit of a problem in Streatham, aren't we? Yes, we live in a country where you know we have farmers and it's very important that we support British products and we can't do that in the economic situation. situation we're in at the moment, it's actually really good to hear an inner-city MP say that because I think sometimes there's a real divide between people who live in big cities and don't understand what's going on. in the rural economy in terms of food.

Off season too, you know people want things all year round and you also look at the environmental impact of that and you talk about growing more things and you can get immunity etc so there's a really genuine argument there. about their local communities and their local environment as well, um turnips, yes, well, but this you know, it's all uh no, without knowing it anyway, right, uh, some very good answers on that, thank you very much and they didn't continue with your calls 0345- 6060-973 are 8 46. new to LBC, I'm Colin Brazier at LBC, I'm from the city, if you want to call again, don't impute my motives if you don't know what they are.

Colin Brazier, I took a life I deserve. Whether you're in your radius, we need skilled people to fill those gaps in our job market at Global Player. You brought up this conversation this afternoon and it brought a lot in return. This is a cross LBC question with Ian Dale on LBC, call 0345-6060973, Brenton Clark. Smith Bell Ribeiro Addie Charlotte is a proud and Freddie says that with us we will answer her questions. I'm going to do what I did last night and tell you what the latest fun text question will be that has now disappeared from the bottom of my screen. um, it's from Jennifer in Leeds, I have good news today: reading test results for primary school children in England have improved significantly, so what was your favorite book when you were a child?

I'd love to hear your thoughts on text 84850. favorite book as a kid Nev, it's not the magic tree far away I don't know what's wrong with you right, let's move on to another text question from Frankie in Bridlington, would it be better if the workers in the Liberal Democrats would come out and admit that? They would form a coalition if necessary instead of letting us assume they are making secret deals. Freddie Sayers, remember how 2015 seems like a long time ago, but that was when the Chaos Labor Coalition was first talked about? and the fear then was that the unions were going to be in coalition with the SMP and it was very effective.

People didn't really like it, they thought this is unstable and they just had the coalition with Clegg, they didn't like it very much. and it was really effective now, I'm not so sure, I thinkAfter the Tory chaos of recent years, I think people are much more accepting of the possibility of a coalition, so I think, speaking as a recovering pollster, I would say that workers Talk about anything to do with the SNP in the Coalition is going to deter people on the left, right and center because it opens up a whole can of worms about Scottish nationalism and we have to run away from it, since for the Lib Dems people barely remember what They are like that, I think There's not much danger there, Charlotte.

I would be very interested to see a coalition between Labor and the Lib Dems, especially when it comes to political compromises and some of the big issues like proportional representation, for example, the Lib Dems. Of course, supporting that it's not clear what Kia's stance is, but I guess he's against that um and I wonder how issues like that and with the House of Laws are liberal. Democrats still oppose the House of Lords and want to reform or abolish it, you know, so I think it would be interesting to look at some of the constitutional issues, um, and see how they could potentially be compromised.

I think it's potentially a good path forward for both of us. I mean, I'm a Labor supporter, it's time they got rid of the Conservatives and if that means the Coalition, so be it, they did extremely well in the local elections, I think it's workable, it's quite ironic, although isn't it? so Ed David said today on LBC that he sees his main goal as getting rid of the Tories and yet he was one of the Liberal Democrats in 2010 who allowed the Tories into government, but he also said that when he was in government did its best to also defeat some of the government policies, yes, like privatizing the post office.

I totally agree with you, I'm just saying that's pretty much what he was suggesting when they talked to him, so it's interesting how he changed his attack now that I've heard that interview. I felt very strategic in the way he's putting his you. Meet the potential Coalition Davies is just happy to be on the airwaves there was a recent survey a few weeks ago about how many people, how many people could call, would recognize him from a photo, it was 12 of the population, so he's got a long way to go. tour before the election I think it's higher than the Liberal Democrat vote sure that's all in the local elections in the local elections um Brendan Clark Smith, let's talk about this uh people have told me that every time I interview conservative politicians I should ask them about coalitions too because if I ask the workers and the liberals not to do it, why not the consultants?

I say this because there is no prospect of a conservative coalition with anyone, no, I really think that is one of the things of interest that I saw this week in the polls. This is also why many Labor voters felt more comfortable with the coalition with the Liberal Democrats than with an all-Labour government. I found it very surprising, why do many feel that I think it was a timing survey? wrong, I'll double check the regular Labor party, but again, and this is really part of the point and from our perspective, if you had that Coalition and we're going to talk about chaos coalitions or whatever we talked about, Charlotte raised about proportional representation, believe.

We are more concerned about the votes of 16-year-olds, the votes of EU citizens or non-EU nationals, that is something that has been floating around in the press this week. Will we ever see a Conservative majority government again if they both come in and want to? To do that, if you want to change our system now personally, for me I agree with what Robert Buckland said, if there are major constitutional changes like that, they actually need to go to a referendum and you have to do it not just well, there you go. , but In these cases, where it's a binary issue, I think this is a little bit different, but certainly from a conservative perspective I want to see a conservative government, there's really no one I want to be in coalition with.

I want us to have our own policies. uh, like on the continent, I think we benefit from the postal system and from having those strong governments, that's what the people want, they want a strong government and I think we're the only ones who are really going to have the policies to do that . you describe that the government since 2019 is strong, well I think it is very difficult with everything that happened to us, we had the pandemic, we had the consequences of Brexit and then of course now we also have our third prime minister with some of internal problems, it has certainly been difficult.

I still think we can deliver on that and we can deliver on the manifesto and that's something that Rishi Sunak has been very interested in, so I think we've been presented with a bit of a challenge. We probably have a year and a half to show people that we're really doing what they voted us to do. I don't think everything we've done during that period has been negative. I think the support we have provided. People, there's a lot of really good things that this government has been doing as well, but at the same time yeah, it's going to be difficult, it's going to be challenging and that's really what we have to show people, Bell, are you

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I really want to merge with Ed Davey um well no I wouldn't like to merge with the baby as to whether or not the Labor Party will actually make that decision which is way above my pay grade. I have an opinion on My opinion is that we can't forget that in 2010 it was the Lib Dems who literally gave the keys to the Conservative party to get to number 10. They did that and you know some people say if you're going to sell out, you sell big, what do you do? They sold out for Deputy Prime Minister and some cabinet positions they were fully into.

They had five cabinets and managed to implement 75 of their Manifesto. I would say that, from his point of view, it was quite a lot. I don't think it was successful. because everything they have done is right, they claim that all they have done now is deliver on some of their big promises, all they have done now is turn around and criticize everything they have done and tried to do. make people forget that they are the reason we are here now don't you think they are the reason we had the conservative government in the first place and you know what I agree?

People are going to do whatever it takes to get it. get rid of the tourists so there can be a coalition, who knows, but as to whether I'm looking forward to it or not, do you think Freddie is right? The mood in the country has changed now and that is after the tumult of the last six or seven years. maybe voters might think it would be pretty cool if two parties got together and we all calmed down a little. All I'm saying is that I can't forget what they did, but I'm sure they will all seek to do. whatever they have to do to get the conservatives out fine, let's get to our final question, let me remind you, uh, what was some Jennifer in Leeds, some real good news today, with the children's reading test results primary school in England improving significantly.

I think we are now the fourth best in the world, the best in Europe, so what was your favorite book when you were a child? Well, I mean, kid, I guess it's anything up to 16 years old. Bill, that goes quite far. Thinking very young, so I came up with books about spotted dogs. They were always a lot of fun and no, I'm not Athena. Know? I had a very high reading, it's still a lot of fun, but no, I love spider dog when he was learning. how to read brendan my little one is right in his milestone stage so i've been reading a lot with him and i loved it uh my first book is probably boogeyman i don't know if anyone remembers that he was a little nasty and then I graduated to Stephen King books pretty quickly, so that probably explains where I am now, yeah, this probably also explains where I am.

I was the two authors that came to mind. they both get trigger warnings for both of them now Roald Dahl says Fantastic Mr. Fox and also Enid's plague and those old secrets of the Famous Five now get a warning that says: be careful, this is annoying for children, it's annoying , which is annoying to When I was a kid, I'm Tracy Beaker to me. I thought it was a fantastic book, it doesn't seem to explain why I do family law. I always remember as a teenager reading James Herbert books, what he would do if you hadn't done them.

If you ever read any, if you like Stephen King, you would probably like James Herbert, kind of a real horror, but taking places in places that I had actually visited in Epping Forest and the Mist and the Rats, I highly recommend them, I got all my fog sex education, but unfortunately we ran out of time to discuss that in depth. Thank you all so much for participating in the program Brandon Clark Smith Bell Ribera Addie Charlotte Prideman and Freddie Sayers in a moment. Going back to a topic that we talk about a lot on this show and that is gambling addiction and I think it's important to talk about it and I'm always amazed at the number of people who call these fakes on the phone that I had the most horrible experiences and I think everyone We learn from that, but the rumor is that the white paper on gambling that the government has been promising for some time will always have parts that will be delayed and I wonder what the effect of that will be on your life because the goal is to regulate the gambling industry.

I play with a little more strength than in recent years.