The Eminently Effervescent Courtney Act (Part 1) with Katya | The Bald and the Beautiful Podcast

when I was on a TV show called Play School Story Time, which is like an institution for children that plays school and they have Story Time, which was like a spin-off where someone reads a book and there are a lot of people different reading a lovely book to the kids and it's the ABC, it's like, um, publicly funded, very thoughtful, there's nothing like a big lewd opportunity to preen. Love, yeah, and this was kind of like before drag queen story time, things had really started well and, um, I had been on the year before, it was like a show called little kids with big questions where they had like , uh, a First Nations person. and like a group of kids asking questions about First Nations culture or a person in a wheelchair and them talking about their experience and different facets of society having conversations with kids and I did one that was like it had millions of views.

It was so well received, it was so adorable that no one said anything, but then a year later this kind of thing started to break out and I was in a 10-day silence for approving a meditation retreat in the Blue Mountains and getting ready when a senator He held up a laser printer that looked like me and asked me: why does the ABC appear? They use government money to prepare children and, oh my God, in the Senate it is considered that there is a privilege in which they can say defamatory things or defamatory with privilege and not, and that's fine, but even like Sky News like the cons like Australia's Fox News said: what is this guy talking about?

It's ridiculous, we're open to moving forward and I was like, oh my God, because I saw the thing that was like they were talking about it and I. I saw it and thought oh oh yeah, he said it was a lovely sight. Courtney read this book which was completely appropriate, it was so sweet. I would be happy if my kids saw it and I was like, oh, are you telling me? that conservative news media like or then the exhibition evolved Behavior at certain times at certain times it's about certain issues I mean, honestly, as a mom, who also cares about the bathroom thing, marrying the bat, leaving him alone, well, they, just what I've been trying, they've been poking around trying to find what works for a while and they finally figured out drag queens and story time and sports.

Trans people in sport say, oh, this is where we can really divide, yeah, the nation. "The sports thing really gets difficult because people are like that. I mean, sports is such a big industry, yeah, and it's very serious. Yeah, I mean, you haven't seen football games where the coaches are on the sidelines with their bulging veins. They're screaming and they look like they're about to have an aneurysm, yes it's very serious, but what they've discovered is that there are some issues that will polarize us and there are no easy answers and they are. difficult conversations and in order, the thing about those polarizing conversations is that they reduce them to only two sides, so everything on the other side is wrong and therefore having the ability to keep more than one truth in your head at the same time it is what is necessary and therefore when we focus on what we disagree on, we forget everything that we really agree on, which is why I am always interested, I think that people in the At the top they probably know exactly what they are doing and what they are doing.

We're using these wedge issues to divide people, but then people say, yeah, that's true and they haven't really thought about it, but then I want to know if we could just take, say, Story sports bathrooms off the table. Time and say "good." What do we agree on? Do we agree that you know that trans people exist? Do we agree that people express gender differently? Do we agree that they should be allowed to do so? Yeah and I like to try to work on it like the complementarity of is a real word. It's a real word, it's the opposite of polarization, it's this idea that, like the opposite of polarization, it's the things that complement each other and that we agree on, and I think we have to get to that. , that we have to start talking about it.

Well, what do we agree on? Because most people like marriage equality, it happened, this guy didn't budge, most people are down on gays. Y2K happens, yeah, water and canned food, and I was waiting like I didn't even know what, yeah. but um, yeah, no, I also mean, I think it's, it must be just a distraction from the fact that, as you know, in America we don't have healthcare, you know there's, you can't, the cost of living is so Sky . High and then billionaires don't pay taxes, it's climate change. Reproductive rights, well, that's the question and also, are you a boy or a girl?

Yeah, like me, there was a clip of one of these conservative pundits talking about trans activists, uh, Dylan. Mulvaney, I was like she's not a girl, she's on her breasts, it's like this is like the schoolyard, yeah, like the level of speech is like maybe second third grade recess, yeah, level, yeah, what are you talking about? She doesn't have a torment her because she would be a girl, this is crazy, it's like, oh my God, and I think in a weird way queer people are here to save the world, because we're here to dismantle the binary system and the conversation about the gender.

However, I ask this to let the gender binary speak, yes, are you a foreigner? I think there are obviously biological realities and I think there are also sociological realities, which is that gender exists in many ways, as I always think if I could talk. To like this conservative, straight man and say, Yes sir, we both have penises, but do you really think we're equal because I'm sure in his mind he sees me as less than he sees me as masculine? or a man, you see me as kind of pathetic and let's go with that, let's take that and extrapolate it because you see right there that gender is on a spectrum because you're more masculine and I'm not like we're on the cave people, sometimes not he would be killing lions, he would be picking berries with women like we would do, it would be a meritocracy yes, no, you would be doing like a silk trapeze or something like that or like me be like a medicine if you think about it, if you look around the world well .

I mean, I know this is like flogging a dead horse conversation, but I try to think of other ways to talk to conservative people to help them demonstrate what you say is true in service of our experience, so I say, yeah , like you're this big masculine man. I don't, so therefore we have a spectrum, yeah, so let's expand that, let's plot the manliest man. to the most feminine man, I guess, if we had to choose a word and to the most feminine woman and to the most masculine woman, and I feel like it's a Venn diagram that actually intersects, it's not that I feel like the most feminine man is more feminine. . that most masculine women, that's fine, but also of course it depends to some extent on the arbitrary nature of how we characterize Mass, absolutely not, she doesn't have a rack, yeah, yeah, where you know that just because she has Double G doesn't mean you know. she could be out there changing the tire, yes, with a haircut, yes, exactly, it's so reductionist the whole conversation about who we are and that's why I think this whole queer identity is disrupting what people always think. has allowed to be true and I think that unfortunately now we are suffering the consequences, but I think it's almost like a puberty, you know, trans people go through a second puberty.

I think the conversation about gender right now probably helped by social media and populist politics is like a big puberty thing like hormones are raging and we're all like in the schoolyard saying yeah, stupid things and I hope my The hope is that in five or ten years we will have progressed to a place where maybe in 10 or 15 years society will look back and walk away. Oh wow queer people, there was something so feminist about trans and queer identity and it really helped to not take away who a woman is, but to take away the expectation of how someone who has a vagina is supposed to behave, dress, act and eat. . and the wear and tear and all that and for the men I think the men on the other side are actually uh sometimes it sounds like oh pause I think they're actually the ones who are suffering not so much they have a burden they have a bird they have a burden, they they created it, they created the cage, they inherited it, the system created the cage, they are not personally aware of the cage and I think working to dismantle it for them is strange, I think it's like my Kink and I think I've discovered that by having sex with straight identified men in Drag and then psychoanalyze them after they cum, I also did the same if they were available for that, because sometimes they come and just punch them in the back of the head and leave I had a vomit once because I didn't know that It was like it was 2001 so it could have been a wig it could have been my fault Ed but I had quick locks and I was the first and of course he came and then he looked at me he looked in the mirror if we were in the bathroom and he was over the bathroom sink and then he just looked over and he had that look in his eyes and I was like is he going to hit me or oh no and then just?

I vomited everywhere and sneaked out of the room. Oh, I put on a little more lip liner and I came back to the room and he's, hey, he started, he tried to kiss me and I was like, Did you brush your teeth? Okay, did you gargle? it's a man like that this is a man like that a man like that a man like that pleases my wildest taboo and then he disgusts me so much that I vomit, then I get over it and then I take my vomited lips and try to kiss him um, but you know, I think for when If we have all this gender stuff figured out and watered down about climate change it'll be like, they're done, yeah, I mean, I'm so glad they figured out men and women and everything else, here's this tidal wave and you.

You will enjoy it, it feels like a right hand, don't look at what the left hand does, yes, but I think maybe it was you who gave me the hand pointing to the Moon that I didn't give. I probably told you that because I used my finger to point and I realized that you have to explain it every time you say it because I thought it was like a philosophy or an eighth of nothing, yeah, but when I tell people. You know, dragging is like the hand pointing to the moon and they're like me, but most people instead of looking at where the finger is pointing, they just look at the hand and say, what a pretty hand! wig and you say no, I'm pointing at something, look, look at that, yeah, yeah, and I think yeah, I think that's the power of drag and that's why I think where we've been.

I think black lives matter to me too. Queer liberation are really important movements that have been created to uplift people who have been oppressed by patriarchy, but we haven't addressed the source, which is like the push towards us. It tries to dismantle the patriarchy, but um, and I think if we try in a weird way to talk to men, do you think you can imagine a world where I mean, I'm thinking like? It would be like a Civil War type scale, the Russian Revolution, yes, but no, I mean, you look at all of this like in the United States anyway, again.

I don't know about Australia, oh, it's like Congress, you know, the CEOs of companies, they're all men, yeah. Pilots. yes, all men, so it's all a patriarchy, how do you do it, how can you practically dismantle that Bobby land? No, that's right, you will get credits. Did you like Barbie? I did it. I did it. I really enjoyed it. a little too long for me, a little too long, yes we'll agree on that and that's the conclusion to the first

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of my lovely and certainly brilliant conversation with Courtney. Tune in next week for

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two, which promises to be even more brilliant. interesting in

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thank you very much bye