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MicroMV and me - Tiny Videotape, big impact

Mar 29, 2024
Today I would like to talk to you about a format that is considered a failed format. It's another one from the area. They have quite a few of these in their back catalogue, although this one probably doesn't even deserve a footnote in their history. Really, but for me it is very important. It's this thing here, this is the micro MV, the smallest videocassette format ever created and although it's considered a failure because it wasn't on the market for very long and certainly it just costs a huge amount of money. for me it has been a great success because I bought micro Envy for a particular reason which I will explain later, but in doing so I ended up setting off a chain of events which meant that today I am sitting here talking to you and I highly doubt that if I had not bought a micro MV back in the day wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now, so this video will talk a lot about that.
micromv and me   tiny videotape big impact
I'll explain more as we go, but if you're not interested in that sort of thing you might want to check out the chapters. I'll make sure to put them in this video so if you want to skip ahead a little bit to where I am. I'm talking about the camera that I used to use and that will be there. I'll show you how to get it or how I managed to get video footage from a micro MV camera nowadays, when all software has been abandoned a long time ago. but I think we should first go back and talk about why the micro MV was created in the first place.
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Sony had had a lot of success as a result of miniaturization, they understood that if something was smaller and lighter, you would be more likely to carry it with you, therefore the product itself would be more popular for more people now, when it comes to camcorders. Sony had a full range, going from Pro to low end consumer and everything in between. of skus of different formats and a tilt inside, it was the smallest camcorder they could make at the time, it wouldn't necessarily be the best, but it would be the most comfortable to carry now that this range had the DCR PC prefix. and they made the camera smaller by changing the orientation of most camcorders you would hold this way the lens would be on the front so you would put your hand through a little strap there on the side well the dcrpc range he turned it over. the lens was on the top, here you were grabbing the body of the camcorder and they were able to reduce its dimensions as a result of this reorientation and over the years they kept updating it trying to make it smaller and adding more features each time.
micromv and me   tiny videotape big impact
It was never something that appealed to professionals, but it's also more of a premium product than lower-end consumer products. They got to a point where they must have realized, we're going to have a hard time making them smaller because they're dependent on them. on the tape format, the format I have here somewhere where we are is mini DV, this was the format they were using in camcorders, this was the smallest video cassette format at the time, but once you put everything The mechanism around this, there's only a certain size you can get to with these devices and they couldn't get to a pocket camcorder while using this format, so that was the impetus behind releasing a smaller camcorder format for that you can see. that's considerably smaller, yes, both cassettes in front of me have a 60 minute capacity.
micromv and me   tiny videotape big impact
You might get a longer runtime on the mini DVS. 90 minute cassettes were common when it came to micro MV, although they only made these. 60 minute tapes, but I think that's enough when you use it on a camcorder, the battery will more than likely run out before the tape, but if you want to carry more tanks with you due to the size of things you just couldn't carry the load in your pocket I mean, I have enough in my top pocket here to film a couple of Avatar sequels the compression they used on this was mpeg-2, this came out in 2001, mini DV came out in 1996, so in At that time they could already use MPEG-2 and that's how they managed to reduce the size of the cassette because they could compress the video that MPEG-2 was running at 12 megabits per day. second and the resolutions are about the same as a DVD, it came out in 2001, it was released with a variety of camcorders and the important thing was that for the first time they were pocket camcorders and you would have thought that would have been a big deal and no one can , it really was the wrong time.
I mean, if you knew 30 people and one of them had a camcorder, it would be a little surprising, just the market that wasn't enough there were like two extremes of the In the camcorder market you really have your professionals, your semi-professionals who want the best quality possible, the best equipment, and then you have the other part, which is like at the consumer level, people just want to get the cheapest camcorder they can find. taking vacations and taking videos of the kids this was in the middle of there it was expensive but it also didn't have the quality of the high end stuff so professionals wouldn't pay for it people would be happy with The quality wouldn't They paid for it, so it remained between two stools for the next few years.
Sony released a few more cameras on the verge of lowering the price and improving their specs a bit, but it was still never going to come out. From that middle ground of being a small, expensive camcorder, they still had their full range of camcorders and they were selling all the other models as well. They hadn't put all their eggs in this basket, so they simply abandoned it after a few years. they released the last micro MV camcorder in 2003 which was the DCR ip1 and that was it, it was released in 2001 and the last camcorder using this format came out in 2003.
It was clearly not a successful product, they supported it for several years. blank cassettes after that, but they had never released more new hardware that used the micro MV now that the market as a whole was not willing to pay for a small camcorder. I was one of the few people who had that as my top priority. The size of the camcorder is like most people's nowadays. I mean, just think that you wouldn't carry a smartphone in your pocket if they were all the size of a house brick, the fact that they come to a certain size that is convenient to carry means that you can carry them with you all the time and that It's what I wanted with my camcorder now.
The first camcorder I bought was the first mini DV camcorder. This is this one. I have it behind me and it is still for JVC in the UK. it was known as a grdv j70 that rolls off the tongue, now you have to look at this one like this, it only had a viewfinder with a screen, but there was no pop up screen on this one after about a year they introduced another model. It had a pop-up screen, but I got it when I just came out and went on vacation with it and everyone stopped me while I was filming with it because obviously it looks a little weird, but they also say that a camcorder is that I would have to like open it up and take out the tape to show them it was a camera, they say wow, that's amazing, you know, it was like a this was Tiny at the time, this was like It's something amazing and it's a nice product and I used it well when it first came out in '97, maybe in the UK for another five six years and I recorded a lot of takes and I still have all the mini DV tapes here, so I've gotten a ton of use out of this thing, but in 2004 it was already quite old in As far as technology is concerned, things have advanced very quickly and cigarette lighter camcorders have better battery life.
Drop-down LCD screen on the side. I would have liked everything, but I had to keep using this because I couldn't afford to replace it, at least not with something that was suitable. I wanted the camera again with a lens on top, this kind of design, I looked at that range. of Sony cameras that fit the bill and cost about twice what I could afford, so it was one of those things where I kept using it longer than I would have liked because I couldn't afford to replace it at the time. one day I went shopping at the usual supermarket, the local supermarket popped up at Sainsbury's and I always went and had a look at this counter they had in one of the aisles where they had electronics, various CDs and stuff, uh, Walkman and all that kind of stuff. of cameras and in the back this time I saw this and he hadn't been there the last time I looked and I was thinking, oh yeah, that's one of those micro MV camcorders.
I never intended to buy a micro MV camcorder. I thought it would be good to get a new Mini DV camera because this one didn't even have a FireWire device. I couldn't transfer the videos from these cassettes any other way than just recording the video output to like VHS and stuff, so I figured next time we'd buy a mini DV camera. No, after seeing this on the back of the cabinet I changed my mind because the entire cabinet was half price. Everything was 50 off. Clearly the news had reached Sainsbury's from head office. stores to say look, we're getting out of electronics, get rid of everything in that cabinet so we can get rid of the cabinet and put some toilet paper rolls in its place, so everything in the cabinet was half price now that this had not been there.
The previous time I was there and this should have been a thousand pounds, it was reduced to 500 pounds. Well, I couldn't pass it up, so even though I wasn't looking for a micro MV camcorder, I bought one and grabbed it. home and I didn't really have much time to practice using it because I had already built up this massive long vacation and was going to New York and taking a cruise to the Caribbean in a couple of days in Miami that we had been saving for. I've been prepared for this for years. I thought it was a great new camcorder to film the vacation of a lifetime.
Let's hope it's good. When I got it home, I bought some more tapes and learned how to use it on vacation and it turned out to be my favorite camcorder of all time. I've had better cameras because as far as quality goes it's a lot better because things move forward but as far as the actual ergonomics of It Go this is perfect for me just look at the size of this and instead of being these things where you put your hand through a strap on the side, you just hold the wrist strap like this so you don't drop it, just look at that, I mean, it's like it almost disappears in your hand and yet, the quality of this was the same or maybe a little better now that I got out my mini DV camcorder and they let me put them side by side to give you an idea.
I shouldn't put that leash on this. There you have it, just look, look. Furthermore, it is not only shallower but also just as tall, it is approximately the same width. I would say a little less in width, but it is much smaller. This was a pocket camcorder, could fit in a pair of jeans, no problem in the front pocket, absolutely great little camera and also a beautiful thing, so let me show you in more detail. I'll show you how it works. We'll take a look at some of the menus and things we'll see. In some images, let's continue without that first.
I wanted to show that the camera really fits in a jean pocket. Of course, it helps that they aren't skinny jeans, but it also helps that the camera is well rounded at the corners. means it slides really well into things like pockets, it has a metal body, it was comfortable to wear all day, although because it was quite light, I tend to shoot from the waist like that with cameras and I point the screen up and notice how can I close everything, save it with one hand, the screen was only five centimeters or two inches, but the operating system is very well designed to make it as usable as possible, there was a customizable quick menu that consisted of large tiles, but even when then moved them to full menus, they are carefully designed to ensure that everything is clear and that most of the hotspots you need to access are located around the edges of the screen and even things like entering tape titles were possible using The on-screen keyboard and the camera have an automatic lens cover, which is something I think is vital on a device that's going to go in a bag or pocket.
I've always wanted an automatic lens hood on all my cameras, it has a stereo microphone on top and on the bottom there is an interface that attaches to the supplied base which, among other things, adds a FireWire port and a USB port. The connectors on the camera itself are a power connector and an AV output. All controls are located perfectly under the thumb. It's just one thumb. operation of this camera, the zoom lever in particular on this has always felt good. I have never owned a zoom lever as it feels as precise as this one, with its variable speeds that can be easily controlled with slight movements of the thumb, it is quite difficult to see a video of this quality nowadays because we have become accustomed to so much more. , not only higher resolution, but also more vibrant colors, better dynamic range, all of this looks a little washed out, looks a lot like a video from the early 2000s, yes, three four.
They have the Rock watch when this camera came out abroad. I remember whenthis camera came out. I read the reviews in professional photography and camcorder magazines and they were very derogatory and negative about it. You see, they were used to mini DV cameras. like the high end stuff, the stuff with three ccds and they were like oh the picture quality on this new format is not as good as the other ones and yeah they were probably right but they missed the point in Thailand if you wanted to take your camcorder, so we had to think about it.
Oh, should we take the camcorder? Yeah, go on, I think we'll take it because something might be happening today. So you go and grab your camcorder bag with the batteries in and all that with this you just pick it up, put it in your pocket, go out if you see something interesting, record it now, it was still less convenient than having a smartphone with you. but we're talking about 20 years ago, it was a big deal for me back then when I bought this and I carried it around to places I would never have thought to take a camcorder this camera went with me and it captured some interesting things that I would never have taken it if I had one of these three big CCD cameras which did great with the image, but there's no point in having a decent image if you're not using it.
Because it's stored at home because it's too complicated to carry with you, he got a little grumpy, didn't he? The on/off mode button worked great in a pocket; it didn't turn on by accident because the green sensor section has to be pressed while the switch slides down. There are now three record modes to get the recording to the memory card and the playback bar. Editing the memory card mode was something I've stayed away from when you're using this. You can only record an MPEG video with a maximum resolution of 352 by 240 at 30 frames per second or you can take JPEG files at 1152 by 864, even back then that was not impressive, however it was better than previous micro MV cameras, the DCR. ip1 had a one megapixel sensor, while early models used a lower resolution CCD; however, the video resolution didn't use the full megapixel anyway, it was just the stills.
The only pictures I took with this camera really were to use a mode that could start a scene fading in from an image was a way to add a real world title screen to the cameras, a sort of in-camera editing, there was also Other features. I never went here. I used it primarily as a point and shoot device rarely. delving into the menus, but I appreciate the efforts that have been made to make them easy to use and colorful and they put my current cameras' menus to shame. The camera came with a full set of accessories and clearly thought was given to how people If you watched these videos on their TV, you had an AV lease and a remote control.
There was an index system in the in-car camera that would flip through an entire tape and present a grid of thumbnails on the screen for the various clips you had recorded and then any of these could be easily accessed in just a few seconds at the time. I was particularly happy with how well this camera was able to capture bright colors in low light situations. Of course, none of these clips you're seeing are a patch. which would make a decent smartphone about 20 years later, but back then to me this was pretty impressive, there would have been no point in trying to capture any of these clips when my previous camcorder would have looked gray and very dark by now.
I should mention that the manic camera movements you're seeing are because these were some of the first things I shot with this new camera and I was really getting used to it, it was just once you get home and look at the footage that You've filmed and you'll do it right the next time you use this camera. I'm going to suspend zoom. I'm going to stop pushing you around like a maniac. I'm going to hold the camera steady on one. I shoot longer, but that's how you learn through trial and error. I had never used a camera with a flip-out LCD screen before, so it really took me a while to get used to it.
I remember thinking at the time that the stabilization was pretty good. Of course, it doesn't seem like we've seen many improvements in this area now, especially in action cameras in recent years, but back in 2004 this was Sony's super stable shot, of course it was really essential in a camera with a body like that. small the smaller the camera the longer the zoom the worse the vibration, the fact that all this can be seen is because the constant shooting does its job, the battery life with the supplied battery was about 75 minutes or so and I used to carry around a spare battery in a pocket as well as a spare tape, but most days I didn't need it, and the sound quality is pretty decent, apart from watching this footage today, although I really think the camera did a pretty good job.
The cameraman needs to be fired, but overall the camera was working fine. I think someone watching this might scoff, but you have to remember that 20 years before I got this camera I tried to shoot home movies with a Super 8 film camera, but the cost of developing the three-minute silent film was so prohibitive that I had to gave up on it and then, 20 years ago, things progressed to the point that I could record 60 minutes of digital video and sound on reusable tape, a negligible cost on a marvel of modern technology that fits in a pocket for me, this was kind of a revelation, well guys, if it was exhibitions of who at the time was on top because of the Pit My Ride TV show.
I just passed this crowd of people looking up. a window, so I looked up too. I quickly took out the camera and recorded that now it was because it was in my hand that I caught it. I think if I had any other type of camcorder, the old one, for example, would have been packed. in a bag or something, so yeah, having a camera ready to go was very useful if you wanted to capture the back of the head of the exhibit, but it wasn't so useful when I got home because I got this thing, I left it in their support and I started. transferring the videos he had recorded during the course of the vacation.
I recorded three tapes. I had three hours of video to edit and this is where everything hit a bit of a snag. You see, the problem is that there was nothing ready. for micro MV because it is an mpeg-2 format and nothing before that had been trying to capture an mpeg-2 transport stream in most of the programs that are available at the time for video editing, they just didn't want to know that all was focused on mini DV and micro MV because it was a new proprietary format only from Sony on some camcorders, most things just didn't support it, now Sony did provide their own software for basic editing called movie Shaker, but it was also it was very basic Sony Vegas that supported it so I ended up buying Vegas but I hated using the software and everything was so unstable that it just wasn't ready, it's just that all the things had locked up on all the dropped frames or I won't be able to handle it. on the anamorphic widescreen that I had recorded, I recorded everything in widescreen, there was an option to switch to widescreen and then unfortunately everything was weirdly stretched in the edited packages and they didn't know how to stretch it back, so yeah, it was a great annoyance.
So at that point all I wanted to do was just put it in the computer and put it out on a DVD. I spent very little time playing with the editor because it was so unstable that I was likely to crash and lose everything. your job, so yeah, that was one of the big downsides of micro MV, nothing was ready for it and the software just didn't like to deal with it. Here's the part where I explained that if I hadn't bought this camera I wouldn't be Talking to You now on YouTube, the first thing is that the first video I uploaded to YouTube in 2006 was recorded with that camcorder.
I took a video of my Beast sap slot machine. It was on a slot machine forum and I'll link to it. this video I posted on YouTube Back then, YouTube wasn't a destination, it was a place where you put your video and then embedded it or linked to it from somewhere else, a bit like these image hosting websites today, but it What you want is to go to YouTube. and just sit there and watch, that was the first video I ever uploaded to YouTube with a slot machine. I looked at it there, it's all corrupted, it became choppy, although it wasn't like that when I uploaded it, but fortunately.
I still have all that footage on tape here somewhere if I really wanted to see the video of a slot machine going back into the edit inside this because it was such an unbelievable nightmare that I even managed to get this out of Las Vegas and put it on YouTube I was always looking ways to make it easier and I remember reading on a forum when someone said that iMovie 08 on Mac supported micro MV natively, that all accounts had added it in this latest update and that it worked fine, which was much better than the system I had, so I ended up buying a refurbished Mac Mini just to use iMovie just to edit micro MV files and it was fine, it worked fine, there were absolutely no problems with it, unlike the system I had.
When trying to do what I was having all kinds of problems, it just imported the video and I was able to edit it very well and it didn't crash all the time and it was at this point that I started to enjoy editing for the first time. I had to edit because the footage I had shot with this thing I was doing in long takes and filming things two or three times just to get the best angle when I was recording with my mini DV camcorder. I tried to edit it in camera, you know? I'll do a setup shot in a reaction tent in-camera at that point with the MV micro.
I was thinking, oh, I had it later. Turns out I couldn't until I got iMovie 08 and then it was very easy, so then I started adding soundtracks, moving file images, shortening things, freezing frames, zooming in on all kinds of things and I actually started really enjoying the editing process, which then led to me making more and more videos where I edited them and uploaded them to YouTube on time. And I would never have gone down this route if micro MV hadn't been such a bloody nightmare to edit in the first place, because if I had gotten into my fight with the PC, I'd just post some basic videos.
I had never thought about spicing things up together. I spent a lot more time on it because it was fun. The assembly process itself was the part I found really enjoyable. It still is to this day. The best part of doing this is the editing. I really enjoy it. editing, but yeah, no micro MV and me walking into that store that day because the next day that camcorder wouldn't have been on sale and looking at the time on the receipt it looks like it was there first thing in the morning, so I must He Been on vacation because it was Friday so I must have taken a day off work so a lot of things happened here for me to end up buying this camcorder which then ended up with me making YouTube videos and ended up here.
I would not do it. I have made YouTube videos if I don't have that camera. I'm pretty sure I'll start the movie now. iMovie didn't stick with micro MV, it stopped supporting the format many years ago, but again the same thing happens. Pretty much any modern editing package, as far as I can sell it, will not be able to import an mpeg-2 transport stream from a micro MV tape into a modern editing package and then edit footage that they simply don't want to know about. another, which is a problem if you want to transfer micro MV tapes to your computer now, although the chances of people wanting to do that are very slim in the past, although I edited the video together and then put it on DVD once.
I was done, that's what I was done and I could have rewritten the tapes. I don't know where those DVDs are, although there's a good chance that if I try to play them, they won't play anymore either because you know, burned DVDs don't last forever unless you get a really fancy kind and the ones I used at the time certainly work, so I'm left with a situation where I could have lost everything, but luckily I don't reuse the tapes, I use them once. and then buy another one, so I still have all the original footage from those tapes that I wanted to put on a computer and save for posterity and the only problem with that is, of course, that your camcorder still has to work and you can't buy a new equipment that can play these tapes, fortunately the purchase still works so I had to find a way to transfer the video to the computer and after reading a lot online about ways to do it with MiniDV I was able to transfer some of that information to micro MV, so let me explain how I go about transferring the images from these tapes to a computer directly from the mpeg-2 transport stream.
Okay, I'm starting with a laptop running Windows 10. The important thing here is that this has a Thunderbolt-compatible USB connector on the back, nowinto that connector I connect an Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt to the adapter and then to that adapter I connect an Apple Thunderbolt to a Firewire adapter and I made it to connect a FireWire 800. to 400 nine to four pin cable and then I insert the four pin end into the corresponding socket on the base of the camera and then I plug in the DC power adapter and finally add the camera and surprisingly everything works fine so now capture the video.
I'm using Vegas Pro 11. I've tried all the other solutions and I mean all the other ones and they all throw out more frames of the drunk pool player, but this version of Vegas I managed to acquire just fine if you know how. As you already know, it works perfectly to get the video off the tapes, so of course each tape is up to 60 minutes, so it takes that long to transfer the video in real time, but once the tape ends . achieved I have a directory full of m2t mpeg-2 transport stream files, one for each separate clip that was recorded to tape.
Now I don't want to do any editing with this software. I just wanted to capture all the clips. Remove the tape in its original quality and use it. My next task is to convert these m2t files into something that is more usable today, so using a software called vidcoder I import the entire clip directory I just got and then let it transcode them. all to mpeg4 files, but also, since I recorded all my clips in widescreen during the transcoding process, I'm also upscaling the 4-3 anamorphic clips to complete a 69 frame on this PC which may take me another hour of 45 per tape, but at the end of all this I have a folder full of MP4 clips that I can edit in any modern editing package, of course I didn't have to go all the way to the PC.
I just used the AV jack on the camera or dock and captured the video output but the problem with this is that I would end up getting one long video instead of maybe 200 individual clips and the best quality I would get would be a video that is a reduced quality compared to those original recordings, however, I must say that if you have old recordings in the format of a camcorder that you have not yet copied to a PC installed somewhere in the saved file, do it as soon as possible. Before that old camcorder died in the past, you may have copied the tapes to VHS, but the original quality of those tapes, if you keep them, will be much better.
I kept my camera and its tapes in a box for over a decade. It was like Schrodinger's camcorder, although it was definitely working when I put it in the box, but there are many reasons why when I took it out it didn't work. Luckily my camera still works and I managed to save all my old videos, but during the course of making this video the camera screen died so I caught it just in time. I love how such a small camera still used tapes and it's such a beautiful little mechanism they have here for cassettes, so the idea If you put your cassette in here and close the door slightly, which positions it enough to slide it into inside and then close the door at the top.
We'll take a look at one of these cassettes in a bit more detail. I found that using these always seemed a bit magical to me when you held one in your hands only to think that it has 60 minutes of video. I mean, it's silly nowadays when you get your micro SD cards and you don't think. nothing about it, but there's something about the fact that this is on tape, let's just open it up and take a look inside. If we push this little section back here, it will allow us to open the cover like that and then like that.
It also slid down more to expose a full tape in the front, okay so it's a mini DV cassette and it's quite hard to tell because of all the reflections and stuff, but in this one it's a narrower tape, now inside this cassette there is a memory chip somewhere I have never looked inside one. I'm going to do it today for the first time. This was used to store the position of the various thumbnails you generated when you scanned the tape. How long? what was left on the tape would be stored there, what parts of the tape you would use, even the title you had applied to it, as soon as you put it in the machine it would read it and display it on the screen without having to wind a bunch of tape, so I have four screws and now this thing should come apart, there we go, yeah it's amazing how they put these things together, a little spring on the back, there's another spring coming out.
I'm looking for my memory chip and I can't find it, let's get everything out of here. Ah, there it is. That's our little chip. It looks like we have the outside. There is the antenna to communicate and that is a bit of NFC. chip type on the other hand, the Tour de Falls of cassette making, you know, progress doesn't necessarily progress in all directions, I mean if we go back to this camera, I love using it, it just felt good in the hand, everything was perfect. Yes, a bit neat screen, you can imagine it will be bigger in the future if they continued with this type of design, but of course the micro MV was not a success.
Sony then went on to use that type of design on other camcorders they carried. I'm still with mini DV, but when it came to solid state we got things like this. I have the tg3 here and I liked using this camera. I've been using it for several years, some of the first YouTube stuff I ever posted. was recorded with this, it had a nice little rotating ring on there for the usual zoom screen on the side with the same kind of menus and touch screen, all that kind of stuff, so yeah, nice little camera, um, She didn't feel as good as the other one. one to use but I was still pretty happy with that 1080i, such a big improvement in image quality over that one and then from there I wanted a 1080p camera, this is the gw55 and although it has this nice screen great, they had forgotten. about the ergonomics completely, for one, the microphones on the front here, so when I rest my finger where I would have done all these others, I'm touching the microphone, so somehow I have to amputate this finger or something to be able to Using this, it's also very hard to press the zoom lever on the back without shaking the camera and it's kind of a horrible push instead of sliding up and down or twisting, you're basically pushing the camera so you're always going. to move the thing there is also no automatic lens shutter on the front.
I mean, it's a great idea if you're going to put something in your pocket, so I barely use it. I found it very uncomfortable to use and also this was the last one. one that Sony also made in this kind of style because nowadays you're supposed to use things like this, this zv1, it's like today's equivalent, it's not much on the camcorder market anymore, of course, the image quality 4K is great but the stabilization is shocking on this and the ergonomics of trying to use it well is like a 200 running now whereas that was a one handed world so I wouldn't take it on holiday with a zoom very short too, I mean, that's 10x this is what I don't know, it's certainly not a patch anyway, but in closing, it was a proper sliding doors moment when I went to look for this camcorder because I went through those sliding doors in Sagebrush and if I had I wouldn't have gone in that day, I wouldn't have had that camcorder, I wouldn't have found the micro MV, an absolute idiot at editing, I wouldn't have ended up editing on another computer just to try and sort out the whole mess. and then enjoy editing, then start putting videos together, post them on YouTube and this channel wouldn't have started and I wouldn't be here now talking to you, so it just goes to show that not every failure is a failure for everyone, although I think Sony probably wouldn't It will make you very happy to know that there are many millions invested in the micro MV you made just to help a guy in the UK start a YouTube channel.
I don't think there is that much. impressed to say well ok we'll just write off that money although they probably don't even think about micro MB anymore it's been a long time so that's it for now as always thanks for watching the foreigner thanks.

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