The Brutal Reality of the Middle East | Mosab Hassan Yousef | EP 443

education and the economy and all other aspects of Arab life in the West Bank. This is what Intifada means that instead of going to school, we stayed at home for the first two or three years of the First Palestinian Intifa, now we didn't go to school, instead many of the children got involved in throwing stones and this became our game. it was part of that game and a lot of my friends got shot in the process throwing stones at the IDF or as we used to call them settlers just crashing of course a lot of civilians got hurt in the process uh so they didn't want us to go to the schools and I didn't understand why what's happening with the economy what's happening with the people who were forced to close their stores and if they didn't obey they became traitors and in the morning they returned to their stores and burned them to ashes, so through the intimidation, uh yaser arat sitting in a luxury place, MH like K today sitting in a luxury place in Qatar and what all these K artists that were have in common.

The outsiders lived outside while they wanted children to die in their name because what really globalized the intifada or the Palestinian cause was the children during the First Palestinian, when the world saw a child in front of a modern army that was scandalous, they all simplified . with the Cs, so how did inata leaders personally benefit from putting children on the front lines? What is happening, but how exactly is it monetized? The suffering of the children produces an influx of foreign aid that is then essentially pocketed, yes, because on the one hand they delegitimize Israel. Israel becomes a murderer of children. in the world that does not sympathize with children who die, so there is no more destructive or powerful weapon in the hands of the corrupt Reis Revolution, uh, who do not want to fight, they did not have the courage to fight in combat, but they prefer that their children die in their name meanwhile they delegitimize Israel and globalize their CA.

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100% because they do not understand this game, even until now they see Hamas using children. as human shields, which is very obvious, this is what Hamas wanted from this war, the international community still denies it, MH, so when the children do this, this will lead to more chaos, it would lead to war, it would lead to , today, a global war. Chaos, but how do you deflate the tension? The tension is deflated by going to the

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man and paying him and he is going to stop the madness. MH and this is how they paid.

They already paid Hamas. This is the Gaza war today. It's not the first, this is the fifth and every time Hamas started the war they used human shields, children died. Hamas exaggerated the numbers, the statistics were not accurate, the international community bowed down and submitted to a ceasefire that basically guaranteed Hamas would remain in power. M, but now, how do you silence Hamas for a while by giving them a lot of money, but this time Hamas thought they could double their human shields by setting booby traps everywhere? Schools, hospitals, mosques, they left no secrets. location um in Gaza without using it using it as a firing platform uh digging hundreds of miles of tunnels beneath one of the most populated areas on Earth um how come that wasn't widely known?

How come that wasn't widely known in the West? Well, this is obvious, this is obvious, but the world does not deny it because it is much easier to condemn Israel, you know, when we have about two billion Muslims repeating a certain narrative, a false narrative that has no basis, that says Palestine and we say the The very basis of this narrative there is no such thing as Palestine, it never existed, but suddenly everyone became pro-Palestine, very well, it fits the narrative of the oppressor oppressed, right victim, it is the narrative Absolute victimhood, it's the victim mentality, so now even in the United States. anti-bankers those who are in debt or anti-establishment Communists feminists socialists yes, Islamists are coming to the same room protesting or opposing as Pro Palestine yes, well what is Palestine?

You are opposite extremes and should not be on the same avenue in Everyone, yes, without Israel, you would be plotting to destroy each other, Islamists and communists clearly, but suddenly now you are showing up, yes, so this Palestine phenomenon basically shows falsehood versus truth and yeah, well, there's something really funny about that. Well, you will certainly have all the leftist radicals on your side instantly because of course they are 100% convinced of the victim victimizer narrative and that allows you to explain the world and also be moral because all you have to do is identify with the hypothetical victim.

What I see happening in Palestine, can you clear up any misconceptions on my part, is as if I have thought for decades that Palestinians are sacrificial victims for any outside power that wants to delegitimize Israel and then it doesn't matter how many Palestinians die because they are essentially expendable and that seems particularly true to me in relation to Iran, so it is completely in Iran's fundamental interest to ferment this. The chaos you described is not the best for the Palestinians in the medium or long term, but it doesn't matter as long as the problem keeps the UR during.

It's hard for Israel, it's hard for the United States if it helps Iran. obviously it seems obvious to me that many people in the Arab world are working, they are awakening to that and they have awakened to that. I think that's why the Abraham Accords have more or less been maintained through this because there are powerful Forces that are allied against Iran fundamentally, but the best thing for them is to keep the misery in Palestine for as long as possible and my suspicions are that what happened on October 7 was a direct command. Please feel free to disagree with me. but that's how it seems to me that the Iranians decided it was time to stir the pot and produced this massacre and hoped to provoke Israel into exactly the kind of reaction that Israel is having and that Israel would make the decision. extraordinarily serious threat and they advanced and as their military victory increased, public opinion would turn against them and fragment the Abraham Accords.

I suspect that was your plan, what do you think about that? According to your understanding of the situation you absolutely know that this is Iran's attempt to reorganize the region, but I do not want to go too far, since also China and Russia have the ambition to reshape the world by changing the world order, but we do not want go too far uh no because only God knows how that's going to turn out but it's basically uh Iran Russia China made it very clear that they don't want the United States monopoly on power, they want to change the world order, yeah, uh Putin understands, understands completely what it really meant for Hamas to go and ethnically cleanse 20 Jewish communities and it was not a coincidence right after the Ukraine war with Russia, where all the attention was on Europe, and we saw it after what happened in Gaza. nobody talks about Ukraine, right, right, right, when you bring in the three major religions, uh, uh, and make them collide somehow, Hamas was the trigger, I probably doubt that Hamas understands the KGB and Putin, uh, but They're part of it and uh.

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In the 21st century, this is a major attack. I haven't witnessed this in our lifetime, maybe during the Iraq war, but it wasn't on this scale, so anyway, yeah, these people don't care about global security. They are irresponsible and, worse than this, we have experience with communists or let's say communist Islamic ideologies that reached an end, they failed, the communist Islamic model did not bear fruit, it did not emancipate humanity, it did not solve the human problem. uh problem uh and they still insist on replacing capitalism yeah I don't think capitalism is the perfect solution uh but it's the best option for sure so anyway they insist and they want this to continue and uh when we have weak uh leadership uh with all due respect um the Biden administration uh is not showing leadership uh and in the Muslim culture the Arab culture uh they don't understand tolerance there is no such thing not in the Muslim consciousness maybe forgiveness but not tolerance uh and tolerance is mainly perceived as weakness and, uh, I speak as someone who grew up in that culture, so every time you know when Trump was there, for example, everyone was terrified of him, he was unpredictable and you didn't know what he was going to do next, so he moved the uh , the American embassy in Jerusalem, no one even dared to challenge, yes, of course, yes, not even riots or anything like that, yes, but now, the Obama administration, then now the Biden administration, the Americans and the American power did not They are respectful, they have allowed Iran, yes. mhm, yeah, one of the things that horrified me when Biden took office is that I had been following the Abraham Accords very closely because I thought they were really quite a miracle and I knew, from talking to people involved firsthand, that the Saudis were very interested in that process continuing and very inclined to sign on and my feeling with the Biden Administration was that that went down because the Democrats were not at all willing to give Trump any credit for anything he did during his administration and I thought that was absolutely unforgivable because it would have been and the Democrats could have done it, they could have taken Saudi Arabia to the Abraham Courts and they blew the opportunity and that's a complete catastrophe as far as I'm concerned, an unforgivable catastrophe. , and you know here.

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in part, let's go back to when you were 13 years old. I want to pick up the thread of that story, okay, so you are seeing this whole catastrophe, this chaos that you describe and that results in the benefit of the scammers who run the program, for example, and that is there to delegitimize Israel and the United States and to give credit to, say, the Iranians operating in the background, he is seeing the full consequences of this firsthand. you decide that for a variety of complicated reasons you decide that you are going to face your fear of death you have this cemetery then you go there to investigate and experience what the consequence of doing that was for you and then how does that relate to your transformation of the view of the world over time when you were very young?

And these are things that I don't like to talk about because I choose not to be a victim and I also don't like to make myself vulnerable because people think you're weak MH uh things that I don't have to talk about but I think there's no way around it um because a lot of people ask do you know what motivates you and where you come from um when I was very very young raped in a culture in a culture that would kill the rapist but they would also kill the rape victim MH so I never told anyone about that history.

I never received any support and how old were you? I was five or six years old when that happened. Now I had to heal on my own and it was an incredible journey in a society that had no mercy that they preferred me to disappear so as not to embarrass them, right? And I witnessed the murder of so many women afterwards. being raped mhm that the father would rather kill his daughter to bury the shame with her so he doesn't have to face society that his daughter was raped mhm what kind of mentality is this what kind of religion is this and this is not just a culture Okay, does it reflect on his inability to protect her?

It's that the source of shame is her status, her status is hers, his father couldn't protect his daughter, yes, yes, and now maybe the daughter is pregnant, this was before the abortion, etc., it's well, the. Daughter is pregnant, what is she going to do with the child? No, he prefers to kill the daughter. He doesn't want to go even to the extent that her grandson is the result of a law enforcement incident.rape, so and uh since the In the 19th century in Islam ER or in Arabia they killed babies, so when I say sacrificing children, this is not a coincidence, it is ingrained in that culture, so for me it was unfair that had to carry the burden instead of getting the support. from the society family I would like to at l

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come and say who did it MH today I am 45 years old I am a very strong man I can take on the entire universe if necessary and so far none of them have asked who I did it and by the way I had the power to kill.the predator at the end of the road is probably living in a nightmare why I didn't actually hurt him because then I got a lot of power even when I was back in the territory but I chose not to instead go after the rapist , I went after the belief system ah and this is where I need to create change mhm I see what Islam is and I know that this is a very sensitive topic uh yes the belief system yes Allah thinks that the rapist and the raped are equal and they deserve the same punishment then this God has no authority over man's life and this is where I start to question the entire belief system and figure out how come you are still alive, they tried to kill me and they are still trying to kill me.

Bad, they've been trying to assassinate me politically, at least all these progressives and the Muslim Brotherhood, wearing all kinds of masks in the United States, have been trying to discredit me, so I can't even speak for myself to defend myself because I'm speaking out. On behalf of all the injured children in the region and I know their game and I know they don't care about children, instead my father sacrificed me and said this is not my son and I don't know him if you want to kill him. Blood is allowed, so when you have to choose between a hypothetical God who doesn't even exist and the future of children or your own child, well, we have a fundamental problem here, then you stop to tell the rest of the universe that the Islam is a religion of peace, well no, we have a big problem here, we have to talk about it and I start talking about this.

They canceled me, yeah, I bet they canceled you, so I and now I'm a hardworking Islamophobe, what an Islamophobe, I'm facing this. I am willing to die in pursuit of it because there is no other way, only the truth can free the people, only the truth, the same with Palestine, it totally depends on the destruction of Israel so that we can see what Palestine and its manifestation is. Palestine requires the destruction of Israel, the same with the Islamic State, it requires the destruction of civilization, all civilizations combined to achieve this Global State called uh KFA, but we don't know what it will look like then, so first we have to die so that they live, then you can prove your worth, it's if there's anything that defines insanity, this is insanity, but you were hurt a lot when you were very young and then you lived through antifa anata and you were right next to the cemetery. and you decided that you're going to face death relatively directly and overcome your fear of it, you were doing some religious experimentation at the same time, then you said you were testing this hypothesis that there was torture in the tomb, you did. alone because your friends weren't going with you, which is not surprising, so you said that you had also decided, with respect to rape, that the appropriate response to that was not to go after the person specifically responsible, but to go after something deeper than that, which was the belief system that gave rise to this problem, so now you're 13, are these ideas already in your imagination, like when, when did you start to classify, when did you do it, when did you start to solve this.

Some of them were in the form of feelings, just a feeling. I didn't have the means to express them, but I knew them. It wasn't a coincidence that I couldn't tell my own father about this situation, but then. on I knew that my punishment is death um so today I have the power to express myself I didn't know everything at that moment but believe it or not I felt that this is uh this Society cannot be trusted and that's why today when I get stand up and tell the world that anyone who identifies as Muslim I consider a threat.

I don't trust them and people say oh you can't generalize. This is like crazy. What you say, no, it's not crazy, because your belief system has sentenced me. to death many times for crimes I have not committed then you pause as a Muslim you carry that identity how am I supposed to feel towards you is like coming to a Jewish refugee during the Nazi era and saying I am a Nazi come with me I am not going to make you Damn, no, you are taking on the identity of a Nazi regime and whether you are the bad cup or the good cup, it doesn't matter, you are serving the same establishment and I am tired of this moderate versus extremist, each individual has the responsibility to know what they are identify with you my individuality is above all religions and above all gods I do not accept simply putting a label on myself without knowing what I am getting myself into because only my parents imposed that religious identity on me and if I am at that level of Consciousness, then How can I trust you with anything?

I can't trust you with my wife. I can't trust you with my property. I can't trust you with my money. I can't trust you to be the same. close to me because you don't qualify you don't know your individuality IND you are unpredictable you can be friendly now but 5 minutes later you can be part of a crowd and you are going to show me your tasks that you could bite then I have a problem ok what do you think about the measurements by countries like the United Arab Emirates and the other countries that participate in the Abraham Accords, let's say, because it seems to me that it is a The path forward is very different from the path outlined in Iran, that right that offers the possibility of something as well as a Repro between, say, Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

Do you see any hope on that side of things? Yes, with a statement that I made, this is my Fundamental Position I do not compromise this truth and I do not respect anyone who identifies as Muslim in principle because it is okay, but this is my fundamental position because my goal is to reform a generation and I need the People come out of their cave. of delusions and think for themselves like for example I don't have any problem with Sufis and actually I don't have any problem with Muslims who don't pretend to be Muslims, they don't have to bring their religious identity as they have the right to something, they want to intimidate me or maybe tempt me with something sincere and devout, people don't need a religious identity at all and they exist in the Arab and Muslim world, but also the hypocrisy is, well, you know.

It is the other side of the coin. I just did a seminar on the gospels with some scholars, the same group I reviewed the Exodus story with. Now we spend 20 hours reviewing the gospel accounts and the greatest enemies of Christ are religious hypocrites. Those are the Pharisees in that story and they are people who proclaim loyalty to God while acting in their own service, the deepest of all possible sins, the right to reverse the moral order so that you serve yourself well, claiming to serve what is appropriately placed at the top. In the right place, there is no shortage of religious hypocrisy and I think it is the worst of all possible because it reverses the cosmic order.

Correct. It makes everything good subordinate to what you want and that is very. I mean that can be, obviously, a problem that any religious system faces because any religious system can be invaded by hypocrites, but that's really what you're pointing out is the distinction between hypocrisy and it says in the gospels that you should not allow your Your left hand knows what your right hand is doing and what that really means is that it's kind of like practicing your devotion in secret and not preaching Trump, don't show it, activists in the west. They are exactly the same type of people right, they carry their morality on a stick look how good I am because I am on the right side it has nothing to do with them organizing their lives in any sense of the word all they have to do is proclaim loyalty to the victim and they are at the top of the moral order, mhm, regardless of who they have to get into bed with to handle that particular trick, which is what we are seeing everywhere in the West right now after 9/7 October. obviously, and all this moral decadence, of course, there is in common, it is a human condition, you know, that is why we say that if we want to see the new man, if we want to integrate into a higher state of consciousness, then we must abandon this. uh political correctness what's the difference it's the same it's the same game yes you know I was born into that that's why you end up on the same side and I was born into that belief at least when it comes to me I don't I have the right to criticize my own belief system and if I do, I become hate speech whoever says this, this is my birthright to rebel and criticize this, which makes us superior to animals, especially since there is no Islam.

We have so many denominations, so BAS basically at least we know what we can do now: we can make them back down, they have to back down and we can probably apply political pressure where you know they're going to have to hold the extremists accountable, okay, but after October 7th . what I saw and that's why I became scandalous and I really told the Arab world listen if it's about choosing between the entire Muslim population and a cow I choose a cow like at least the cow is very peaceful it gives us milk it gives us, uh, leather, it gives us meat, it is very peaceful, it is harmless, but you, what is your contribution?

And now we have this global crisis where a minority, a religious minority, is being persecuted and ethnically cleansed on October 7, and instead of taking the side of the truth, they say yes. They do not represent us as a Muslim world, instead they have been using their religious identity as a weapon against this religious minority that is the most creative and the one that contributes the most to life and I do not see this being the model of our society. I mean, I can't imagine the West. civilization or our civilization, how do we explain the fact that the Abraham Accords have not collapsed?

I mean, they haven't been maintained properly and that, again, seems like a very positive thing to me. I mean, I think you could argue that maybe the people who are on the Abraham Accord side of the world could have been more outspoken in their defense of Israel after October 7, but at least the whole bloody process hasn't collapsed. . I mean, that's what Iran expected. It did not collapse, it is not collapsed and I think it will be rejuvenated after this war because it is in everyone's interest, yes, and now the thing is that Israel is showing everyone that violence is a dead end, so what I hope It's just that he doesn't do it.

I don't know if we will have to get to the point where we have to deal with Iran and the Hisbah and this war could last much longer than people expect, but eventually the Middle East will get to the point, especially for Muslims and Arabs, where that violence is dead. In the end we are not going to tolerate violence you want to worship the stone worship it as much as you want but don't throw it at me don't you dare throw it at me because I will retaliate and this was the final result the use of force after exhausting all possibilities with the Islamists and with The Muslim Brotherhood, especially Hamas, it makes no difference now that they have learned their lesson, they can remain in their delusion, it is not my responsibility to go and try to get them out of their cave, but if they choose to act on it and manifest their delusion in the form of violence in form of terrorism, then we have very tough warriors and we are going to fight.

I personally am fighting for my existence. I am not an expert on the topic you want. that I cease to exist, hence my relationship and my understanding of Israel, because Israel did nothing bad to the Arabs or the Jews, except that you know how to just be who they are and want them to cease to exist, that's how I feel because. I feel that with Israel there is no difference, we are in the same situation in which I did not commit a crime against my people. I did not commit a crime against anyone, even later when I collaborated with Israel in the intelligence service, my main objective was simply to stop the madness prevent suicide bombers from attacking civilians indiscriminately this was my objective this was my moral compass I did not do it for a national motivation uh sleep is the foundation of our physical and mental health in other words, you have You have to have a consistent nighttime routine to function at your best, but if you have trouble sleeping, then you should check that Beam Beam is not your Everyday sleep aid is a carefully crafted blend to help you rest.

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Being a Hamas leader doesn't qualify you. You need to be like us. You need to think like us and you need to be part of your society and you need to be. productive you can't be a loser if you're a loser you won't gain respect for your own society and they did a long process of um fool in Hamas uh that we don't have a relationship that includes, you know, some attack on our house, some arrests in the future uh all kinds of illusion uh orchestrated by Israeli intelligence just convincing society that I was a wanted person at some point and that there was no way in the world that I had a relationship with Israeli intelligence, especially when Hamas started to build their trust with me again and I had the main secrets of the movement, but the Israelis did not act on my intelligence or my information to simply keep Hamas in fear and safe for as long as possible, so part of the building for me, already You know, it was that we had hundreds of meetings and, uh, ER showed me, uh. many of the values, for example, when we went into operation later, there were civilians involved, we avoided Civ civilians whenever civilian involvement was a big concern for the agency and I was very surprised because I thought the wisdom in the Palestinian street that the The Israelis will give you poison to put in the city water, they will give you a gun to shoot your own people, they will make you rape women and take pictures of them so you can blackmail them, they will tell you all kinds of crazy stories they had.

I actually had nothing and I was alone, I was never connected with anyone else and after my college, this I think was the period where I was ready to do something good for myself, what did you take in college? I studied history, uh, and what aspect of ER History was history and social studies, but I studied world history, uh, Middle Eastern history, uh, history of religion, MHU, of course, you can't cover everything in four years, but I did everything I could. and I was very interested in the topic, if you are always looking for products to improve your immune strength and intestinal health, you should take a look at Arma Arma is the gift that keeps on giving, it will help you strengthen your skin, your lungs and your intestine.

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Education was just the first step I had to educate myself like, for example, while I was in prison. Study English. I memorized the Oxford dictionary. He read 16 hours a day and spent a lot of time in an Israeli prison. That's how I spent my time when I was released. I opened myself up to Christianity, especially the Bible, and the Bible had a big impact on my life, especially you know. New Testament and the teachings of Christ, which to me you know is not so much Christianity as it is Christ Consciousness, it is a state of Advanced Consciousness, and the challenge of love, love your enemy, and that came in a place where I was conflicted.

Where exactly did you really have enemies and who is my enemy? Are they my people? Is it my rap? Is it my torture? Is it Israel? Who is it? So, uh, the challenge of love, your enemy really made peace with the world in some way, um and um, I decided that I don't have enemies anymore and this is what really helped me heal and progress, so I was like At first I didn't want to kill any of my opponents, but I have to say that today I regret it, today I regret it. The influence of the Christ consciousness of righteous love to all unconditionally did not get me where I needed to be because today I am under the influence of cause and effect, not good or evil, and I believe that there is no escape for anyone from Karma or its own actions no one is on top This universal law has nothing to do with cultures and I tried with all my might to save my father's life if he wasn't in the photo they would have killed him a thousand times saying that he is.

I thought to myself that he is a partner. From a political point of view, he is not a military wing, but this is the problem that this is a moderate and this is an extremist, so you go down this rabbit hole and you never find your way out. I thought to myself that no, you are complicit in Hamas' crimes, so huh. You qualify for the same punishment as any of their attackers on October 7 and that is why I had to take a moral stand and say that all Hamas leaders must be executed. What happened on October 7 was a capital crime, genocide cannot be committed. late lightly this is not just an act of resistance ER to eliminate more than 20 communities according to their ethnic origin and religion is not an act of resistance it is not justified killing babies killing children raping women kidnapping hostages killing animals burning trees is nothing worse than this and requires the Captain's crime and I thought: what about my father, who I loved very much, who disowned me 14 years ago?

I never gave up on him. I thought as always, you know in my heart, this is my father that I love. You, whatever you know you did, it was necessary to just avoid me and throw me into the mouth of death, no problem as long as you are okay, but after October 7th I had to make a very difficult decision because this is where or when we have to do it. draw the line we are all connected to a certain interest that this is a family relationship this is a love relationship my relationship with this property my personal interest to a certain extent therefore we compromise the truth despite the obvious truth of what happened in October 7 is wrong, it doesn't matter if they did it, if the Muslims did it, they are wrong.

I don't care if they're Buddhist, if they're American, it doesn't matter who they are, it was wrong and I take the moral position that my father is. complicit in this and especially when I saw him at the top of a demonstration supporting Hamas in our sparse city, this was the moment when I thought that he is no longer my father, he cannot be and the hostage situation was very hard and I did not know how. Israel is going to bring those hostages back and Hamas wants the mass murderers freed. It turned out that they were the same people who were torturing prisoners during my tenure and they turned out to be the same mass murderers who carried out suicide bombings during the second Palestinian Ina like Ibraim Hammed. and Abdullah Alti's people, I personally know these people that Hamas is asking to release and we cannot release them, we cannot return them to the streets as innocent hostages, such an impossible situation, so my suggestion and this is again, you know the isra.

I knew the Israeli government would do it. I don't do that, but I give you permission to execute all these mass murderers because if you had executed them from the beginning, Hamas would not have kidnapped a one-year-old child as a hostage asking for his release, but what about my father, my own father? he is an exception, he cannot be an exception, no one can be an exception if he is complicit in a genocide, so this is where you know since October 7, it is as chaotic as it is in the Middle East and my life is also chaotic and I have no way of avoiding seeing the Muslim population weaponizing their religious identity against the Jews as a religious minority and I have known the Jewish people for about 27 years.

In fact, my relationship with the Jewish nation is much deeper than my relationship with the Muslim nation is much longer and much deeper, many of the Jewish mothers along this journey took me to, you know, a country, a nation that really gave me a lot of support. I don't mean financial support so much as sincere concern. For my well-being I have attended Shabbat dinners of hundreds of Jewish families, eh, I have accommodated Jewish nephews who are fighting in Gaza today, so in such a situation, how can I abandon the Jewish people? Those are my people right now and the Arabs also the Arab children.

I see myself, this is me and I see how the predators, the pro-Palestine and Hamas billionaires and the other criminals, uh um, take advantage of the situation on a global scale. I find myself just fighting on There are so many fronts that it makes me an absolutely crazy person, so your education was paid for by the Israeli intelligence agency and you began to question your concept of their work and then you formally expanded your education. How is? that you worked for the Israeli intelligence organization, how that came about and what kind of work you did, because at the beginning you said that they were just paying for your education and you were talking to them and you were learning that they were different from You thought so and I was also very young at that time.

Things got serious at the beginning of the second Palestinian inada and that's how the beginning of this journey with Israeli intelligence began in 1996. The second Palestinian Antifa began in 2000, just before. uh 9911 so I was already towards the end of my school and I knew enough about Hamas about the Palestinian Authority and it happened that I was part of the Yaser Arat meetings and I was part of other Palestinian faction meetings Islamic Jihad fat uh and my relationship Based In my father's public status, I could go pretty much anywhere I wanted and people knew me from my childhood even though I was a troublemaker, you know, at that time I was much more stable and what position exactly? your father plays or stays that way, so basically my father's position of course is changing, but because of the internal elections and his status would never be revealed to the public, not even to Hamas members, because the vote for his status would be limited only to the leadership of Hamas.

At that time I think he was from uh the uh or remained throughout his career with the top leadership of Hamas in the Hamas Council and also there is a strong possibility that he is one of the founders of Hamas, but he never revealed that I know I knew this. from other Hamas leaders, but he would never reveal that information to me, okay, okay, they usually reveal this information after his death, so we are talking about him, he, not only is he a leader of the movement, but he is also the spiritual leader of the movement today. he could be the spiritual father of the movement, this is his meaning, so not only logistically, um and um, of course, after my story came out, his status in the movement changed, but somehow they wanted to give him all the support they they could.

Well, now we are in the second intifa. This is what this is about. You said this is right before 911. This is around the year 2000. Okay, so what's going on? You have access to all of these meetings, but you have already established a relationship with. Israeli intelligence did, so basically the trust between Israeli intelligence and myself was already established and I was very motivated to capture a suicide bomber before he hit the target. Israel was really struggling with this problem, we had it, so that became its mission was geared toward preventing suicide bombers. Yeah, the thing is, it was all happening in front of my eyes.

The only thing I needed to set my intention was: do I want to do this job? Do I want to do this difficult job or not? Because even though they established the relationship with Israeli intelligence, but it didn't mean that they forced me to do anything, so I was in the mosque, I was in the meetings, I was in the safe houses, I was practically everywhere and, uh, any encounter strange between two. Hamas members. I could detect that this is unusual. We have to investigate it. Now,be, but people want to see it in black and white, if you come try to bring them another truth like, for example, what is happening today is collateral damage and it is not just who is killing the civilians, people took into consideration that Hamas booby-trapped everywhere and how they would do it.

We know the difference between the Israeli airstrike and the Hamas Bobby Trap that targeted civilians and how we actually know that Hamas is not interested in killing civilians. MH, so how many Hamas are clearly in your interest? Of course, this is the most powerful. weapon in their hands to delegitimize Israel and gain legitimacy. I think it is impossible to understand the situation in Israel without understanding that the Palestinians are expendable. Yes, so Hamas is committing not only a capital crime by committing a genocide on October 7, which actually defines the genocide then. Muslims around the world outnumber Israel and change the narrative so quickly that we went from a Jewish genocide on October 7 to a Palestinian genocide in less than 70 days, that is how quickly Iran is working effectively, according to my estimate, so let me.

We are near the end of the time we have in this session for everyone watching and listening. I'm going to continue this conversation on the positive side of The Daily Wire for another half hour, just so you know, welcome to join us there. um, I guess I'd like to ask you uh, obviously there's a lot of things we haven't discussed, but that's how it will be. I would like you to tell me what you think about what is happening on the streets of Western cities, but mostly specifically on university campuses regarding the prama movements that seem to be everywhere and if you were talking to a group of students who are acolytes of the victim-victimizer narrative and portraying their moral superiority by adopting the identity of Hamas allies, it's like what do you have to say about that, once again, it's not a single phenomenon, there are many, with different reasons, that come to claim that they are pro-Palestine, it is not just pro-Hamas, Hamas is actually igniting bloodlust in many of the countries. protesters so when Hamas when Hamas scores uh and the bloodshed this gives them uh uh the pleasure of inflicting pain on their opponents they say oh, they deserve it because they are the Zionists, they are the colonizers, they are the occupiers, they are the bankers they are those who control the economy those are the ones we are in debtFor so many people, many people come with a different motive and this is just hatred against the successful minority.

Yes, this is the curse. When you are a successful minority, many people will come after you, especially if you are depressed or hurt. that they will come and try to kick you while you are down. MH, so many forces, uh, that are, as we discussed at the beginning, that they are opposing forces, but somehow they came together in a very unpleasant way that shows the moral decay of such groups, and I don't mean just students, there are historians , there are intellectuals, there are lawyers who bought BDS or the pro-Palestinian propaganda, which is basically that Israel is an open State, as Israel has been or the Zionists have been. uh ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people if the Palestinians had a Palestinian state they would not have been in this situation uh Hamas is a resistant group so everyone projects their hatred uh based on their intelligence and their ability to express that so some intellectuals can represent their hatred, but in a deceptive way that does not show hatred, as they show it, it is always an alliance for the victim, you know, yes, that is the best possible mask for a sadistic hatred, that's for sure, yes, you too.

Speaking anywhere, do you have the opportunity to speak in public? Well, I've been canceled from a lot of colleges because you probably understand now why yes, I say it, but I'm okay with it. I'm not afraid of being canceled. I've been canceled by my own family by my own people, so when I have American campuses or American universities cancel me, it doesn't affect me, I don't feel embarrassed, yeah, oh my God, you know this is a threat to my career because I'm never planning on making a career, you know, and I don't care about my public image as much as I care about what my moral standing is and whether I'm at peace with myself or not, but anyway, I find my way to talk to people. students and I challenge them uh yesterday we had a debate I thought I had been trying to bring pro-Palestine advocates anyone into an open debate, come on, let's talk about this, this is the way of the West.

In dialogue we cannot be clashing like this, inciting violence, harassing the Jewish people, harassing successful people, bringing the nightmare of Hamas to American soil, globalizing chaos, well, these are very dangerous terms that we do not know about What are we talking about. River To The Sea, they don't understand that in 1987, when people started singing about The River To The Sea, the violence followed shortly after that and this is my childhood trauma and when I saw people singing about The River To The Sea , I knew it. we were in trouble, so that's why I tried to counter this Force, but no one wants to listen, so I thought, yeah, well, that underlying narrative.

The victimhood narrative is very intractable, it is very difficult to move, it is so morally attractive, well, and try it. to take them out of their comfort of their convenient truth and they will crucify you, this is the price you pay, so practically just two days ago we had a debate and I had to pay someone $20,000 out of my pocket to debate me on the topic. topic because no one else agreed with uh where was that debate? Berkeley University and that is one of the most respectful educational institutions that can't even organize a debate on their own, yes, yes, a debater had to pay out of his own pocket for his opponent to have a discussion and the funny thing is that this guy acts like a giant outside of the debate, like when you see him in Jazer, he is the anchor of Al Jazer and he was an anchor for CNN, he gave the speech to the United Nations and he called from a United Nations podium from the river to the sea, but when he came to the debate he agreed with 90% of the things I said.

So, who are you? Mhm, you're out there, you know, this outrageous, uh, anti-Zionist, anti-Israel, Pro-Palestine. and suddenly you're out and I can't find a debate like a decent debate. I've been calling them, you know, come debate me, let's talk about this, this is not a joke, children are dying like this. it's not a political position this is not a career I'm not your typical expert on the subject M MH you get in the way when I'm trying to stop the death of innocent children protect them from the predators who have been killing them for 70 years in the name of Palestine you get in my way I destroy you if if necessary then I'm not politically correct I can't be and I don't care if you cancel me or not and I'm not in a position to even reason with you, we're at war right now, it's over, we can talk about it later, but it breaks my heart that the United States is my country now and I have a responsibility to the people, that we do not want to bring Antifa here.

We don't want to globalize Antifa, in fact we want to deglobalize it, we want to localize it, we want to eliminate all the foreign entities that have been trying to take advantage of this conflict and we have to give the power to the people for the Arabs they are Arabs they are not Palestinians so please help me with this this is what I have been trying to spread that there is no such thing as Palestine Palestine is a political identity, it is corrupt, colonial, it is actually very It is disrespectful for Arabs who were born in that region to call themselves themselves as a colonial entity and adapt as a national identity.

It's simply absurd. That's why I don't use the term for myself to say no, keep them Arab. They were born there. birthright to be there but what they need they don't need a state they need a police force they need education they need economics MH they need decent leadership that works to build a nation they need a civil Constitution they need to be friends Israel and abandon their stupidity idea of ​​d in Israel because Israel is not going anywhere if they can't see Israel the same way they see themselves when they look at an Israeli child as if they see him as their own child then we have a problem we can't justify the murder of Jewish children because they are Jews, this is where I need this to be and I don't want all this nationalism all over Palestine, so of course when I see that the issue is now being globalized, bringing in the states and making them free Palestine, what's okay, your Palestine is not a hostage in my basement, stop saying free, free Palestine, you know, decent human beings, decent Americans would say hostages free, don't tear down the hostage signs, don't even allow let their families represent their case. the land of the free and what they want to liberate they want to liberate a concept A dangerous political concept that actually depends on the destruction of order at the expense of children at the expense of generations at the expense of individuality who are we?

We are Americans, that is, not just Americans, no one in the West, this is our value system, so this is where it really comes to, as you see, I talk about it with a lot of strong emotions because there is no way that there is no other means to my. What is happening is absurd not only on American campuses before saying free Palestine, at what cost, at the cost of Israel, do you want an ethnic cleansing from the river to the sea so that this hypothetical political entity can be carried out in

reality

and who is going to pay the prize?

Palestinian children and how long we have been paying this price for 70 years and all we get in return suffering pain confusion and a minority of scammers became billionaires and arat had 9 billion dollars in his bank account before he died and He disappeared because his wife stole him after she killed him and this is the first time I see him himself, after his wife turned off life support and he died, even the Palestinian people don't know this and he left them to think that His wife is his murderer, so we're talking about so much corruption and fighting for money where the first lady is killing the father of the nation and meanwhile she's fucking a crazy agent, so I'm done with this, I don't want to watch him die. more children and I don't care about the Palestinian entity, okay sir, thank you, we will pick this up on the positive side of the daily cable for everyone watching and listening, yes, thank you very much for speaking with me today, thank you all. for your attention and, as I said, if you would like to join us on the daily Wi Plus side to conclude this conversation, feel more than welcome to do so.