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True Detectives: Police reveal details of the underbelly killings (2015) | Four Corners

Apr 27, 2024
In 2004, Terrence Hudson and his wife were shot to death in a double execution-style homicide involving

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corruption. Six years later, criminal Carl Williams was beaten to death in prison. He couldn't believe it. He couldn't figure out what was going on with the murders. Struck at the heart of the criminal justice system. I was stunned. I couldn't believe drug dealers and corrupt

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are being welcomed back to Four Corners for the first show of

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. There has never been a period like this in Australian criminal history. Thirty-six people murdered in 12 years of massacres in Melbourne community Victorian police force for its failure to protect key police informants whose evidence was crucial in exposing alleged corruption in the force and alleged police involvement in the murder tonight in a joint Fairfax Four Corners media investigation Nick McKenzie sheds new light on the cold-blooded murders of Terence Hudson and his wife Christine in their Melbourne home, as well as the brutal murder of notorious underworld criminal Col Williams in his prison cell.
true detectives police reveal details of the underbelly killings 2015 four corners
Tonight's program features the two

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at the heart of the Hudson case who have decided to voice their doubts about the way the investigation was mishandled in an apparent attempt to contain a developing police scandal. and the Dodgers Royal Commission there are also new revelations in the Williams case here is Nick Mackenzie's report in May 2004 a criminal called Terry Hudson was shot dead along with his wife in the most serious murders of Melvin's bloody gangster the possibility of solving this double homicide died six years later, with another murder, that of underworld boss Kyle Williams, these three deaths constituted one of the most serious attacks on the criminal justice system in the history of Victoria, since two of The key insiders of the case

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ed a double execution style homicide tonight in the

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. that involved police corruption well you tell me it got to the very heart of justice for Victoria Police and the Victorian community.
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The story begins in September 2003, when one of the forces headed by anti-corruption investigators, Marie Gregor, received a phone call in which she was informed of the arrest of a police officer with a ponytail for the robbery of a house full of drugs. and money, your head means $1 worth of drugs subject to a robbery I thought here we go and this is going to be an all night to start with the arrested cop was a drug Squad Detective David Michel Senior Constable Michel was meant to watch the house like part of a police surveillance operation instead of stealing the drugs inside.
true detectives police reveal details of the underbelly killings 2015 four corners
I probably framed it as devastating and the senior members of the drug squad were obviously very upset and concerned about what had actually happened Detective David Michelle was not the only man arrested near the scene of the robbery Michelle's criminal accomplice was also arrested his name He was Terry Hudson and he was an old school career criminal he was a drug dealer not everyone's occupation as such most people would go down but it was a path he followed. Gregor soon learned that before the Oakley robbery, Hudson had been working as a registered drug squad. Informant Hudson had been falling behind his partner in the criminal underworld: the head of Michel and Michelle's drug squad. a detective sergeant named Paul Dale.
true detectives police reveal details of the underbelly killings 2015 four corners
I didn't know Paul before I became involved in this particular investigation, but by all accounts and certainly from my experience with him, he is a very nice person and he is a person that you can feel very comfortable with and in He feels comfortable and he is someone who is an excellent communicator. Sergeant Paul Dale joined the force at age 19 and earned his reputation dealing with tough, up-and-coming old criminals. Mel burns down the northern suburbs. I was a man I guess was larger than life when I was a very young Detective Sergeant running my own crime squad team, we prided ourselves on working hard and playing hard.
I loved it, I lived it, and I was successful at it after earning his three homicide sergeant stripes. Paul Dale joined the dope. Squad Sergeant Paul Dale and Senior Constable David Michelle used Hudson as an informant to learn about the activities of some of Melbourne's worst criminals. As an informant, you are probably aware of one of the riskiest ventures you can undertake as a criminal if you have been identified or discovered as an informant, obviously the risk is multiplied tenfold in relation to your personal safety while the squad investigated the drug house robbery. from Oakley. He received no help from Michelle, but during a meeting at a police station, Gregor felt that Hodson might be willing to talk and this is very much an off-the-record conversation about trying to explain the situation and what the circumstances were, and Terry in That moment gave stronger indications that he was probably prepared to help me in the investigation. of the matter and it was certainly at that meeting that Terrence indicated that there were other police officers involved besides Mitchell.
What I remember is that Terry when asked what the other location involved in the robbery on Dublin Street was, Terry indicated with three fingers placed on the table. which indicated to me that this was a sergeant involved representing all three stripes, for at a later meeting in this park, Terry Hudson began naming names and, hoping to get a reduced prison sentence, agreed to become Murray Gregor's star witness in a case against suspected corrupt people. Policeman Gregor knew his challenge was to keep Hudson alive so he could testify against the so-called three Stryper the Sargents allegedly involved in the robbery.
Well, he said that Paul Dyle and David Mitchell set it up and recruited Terence Hudson to get involved in the robbery. robbery, the three of them were going to commit the robbery together and Terry Hudson would be the person who would move any of the drugs that were stolen from the premises and basically the profits from those drugs sold would come back and be divided equally between the three of them. In late 2003, Gregor decided to accuse Paul Dale, David Michelle and his star witness, Terry Hudson, over the Oakleigh drugs house robbery. In my opinion, I was quite satisfied that Terry Hudson was being truthful about his involvement and Paul Dale and David's involvement.
Mitchell, but Dale denied any involvement and seemed determined to fight the robbery charges when Gregor arrested him. He was calm, he was calm, and he was calm about it. He had no role at all. He had no knowledge of it. Murray Gregor knew of his case against Paul Dale. He was confident that Terry Hudson would make it to the witness stand alive, but Hudson was not sure he would. Terry explicitly told me that he had serious concerns that Paul Dale would be a person capable of killing him and I certainly took that threat seriously. There were many too. of criminals who might have wanted Hudson dead because they suspected he was a police informant, they used dental floss, he said it was a dead man walking, so he said he didn't know if it would be the place or ffred Bay, the krims that would come. about killing, what did you think?, the noise of the place, the reaction was Terry, you have to enter the witness protection program.
I said, I was going to try to get United. No, they asked him to go into witness protection and at this point Mandy and Andrew were both on board and my mom was ready to go and I said no why because I recently got married and had a baby like a proud grandpa Terry Hudson enjoyed his role as patriarch of the family a protector of his wife Christine his children and grandchildren thank you for coming ok when Hudson his daughter Nici refused to enter the witness protection program Terry Hudson told Mary Gregor that he wouldn't enter either because my dad He wouldn't leave one of his family behind.
I don't think he could face the fact that if I lived separately maybe something could have happened to me, they could have contacted me and I don't think he could have lived with that right, so I guess it's my fault. Terry and Christine Hudson's decision to go it alone was only that in 2004, Victoria Police. it had no formal system to safeguard informants who did not want to enter the witness protection program but were still at serious risk. Murray Greger instead relied on police technical officers to check Hudson's already well-fortified unit in Melbourne, a fluid eastern suburb, adding some lights with sensors. and a second security camera, but that was it, what didn't exist was a plan to ensure that the Victorian place on its own had regular roving patrols, perhaps it had a covert camera at a neighbour's place, other measures to looking inside are things you would obviously do at the time were not seriously considered nor does it seem like it was a suitable recording system.
Watson was told to use a cheap VHS system with seven tapes marked Monday through Sunday. Gregor and the experts say this was outdated and easy to defeat. I think it comes down to dollars and cents, Nick, that's a dollar decision at the end of the day, a pretty poor decision given a man's life at stake. Absolutely disappointing decision in early 2004. Murray Gregor had a dramatic discovery: the discovery of him supposedly putting Paul Dale in bed. with one of the most feared men in the Melvin underworld, Terrence informed me that Paul Dale had been involved in a shitty relationship with the Williams car and his team found out that after 2002 Paul Dale she had allegedly begun a corrupt relationship with Carl Williams.
Just as the drug kingpin was becoming one of the underworld's most prolific killers, it's an extraordinary allegation that William's own father, George, a criminal, says is

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quarters that Paul Dale was paid off. for his son in exchange for information I know. On one occasion he got six thousand from me to give it to him, but I suppose he paid him on other occasions as well. Carl was very happy to have a policeman like you say in his pocket, in a way he was very happy about that because he was getting the information in a different way once you start saying where this is coming from no turning back Marie Gregor says that Hudson told him He said that in early 2003 Paul Dale had asked Hudson to find out the location of Carl Williams' criminal enemy, Jason Moran, who Williams was. hunting him was shaking up Jason Moran's location Gregor says Hudson also alleged that Paul Dale said he could help organize underworld murders if he was paid enough.
This was one of several unproven accusations that Dale would later deny, but Gregor knew the extraordinary allegations of corruption needed to be investigated and either proven or dismissed. Hodson was alleging that Paul Doyle was looking for opportunities and work to murder someone (the job is a hitman). yeah this is kind of the heart of the Kakeland murders what was your reaction given the scale of those accusations to those accusations well we almost fell on one side it was extremely serious so I was very eager to gather as much information as could. The claim that Paul Dale was working on William's crew car was the most serious allegation of the gangster war, he must have done a lot of it. alarmed senior law enforcement, it should also have sparked a major investigation into the extent of the couple's relationship.
Was it thoroughly investigated? Not that I know. No, it should have been yes. Gregor told her superiors about The Fresh Tail's corruption allegations, believing they should be investigated. by a major task force allows you to conduct more thorough investigations allows you to talk to more people allows you to gather various aspects of intelligence that could be located elsewhere within the law enforcement community and you had not done so while there would not be a group of work to attack Paul Doyle. The allegedly corrupt cop was able to find his own police force to work for him.
There were several high-ranking members of the police who were very close to poor Dale and acted as conduits for information as to who is investigating them. Nobody Murray. Not only was Gregor severely understaffed, but he was also in the dark without Gregor knowing. Organized crime investigators were separately tapping the phones of Williams' car and his equipment to implicate them in gangster careers. would become a critical piece of evidence. I told Cal the next day that I received a phone call when he found out it was Paul, that upon calling many, he told me that he found them retired and I caught up with him, that type of information would have been crucial for in relation to my investigation and, obviously, with the protection of Terrence Olsen, some timeAfter these phone calls, George Williams alleges that he took his son to a meeting in Melbourne.
Zhou to the north, a police tracking device on George Williams' car recorded a stop not far from a construction site where poor people lived. Dale was working while he was suspended from the force. I see this blue four-wheel drive vehicle behind me and Charles had stopped. I stopped. I stopped. He now saw him saying that they took him out. Carl jumped out of the car and got in with Paul Dale. he made a U-turn and it was a rigorous U-turn, hit some big rocks and stuff and kept drawing. George William says that after this meeting his son Kyle stayed quiet but told him that Dale had talked about the problems he was having with a certain criminal.
Well, I took some research on Hudson to carry out the news. Murray Gregor didn't know about this in 2004, but after Hudson reported that someone had breached his home security system, the biggest fears grew - there was certainly a sensor that was located halfway up the driveway to the Tara's unit, which was like there was at the back of the block and that sensor unit had moved, which caused me to sound the alarm and I approached Terry. I remember him saying that Murray had started, he said I'm a dead man walking, it was last night, shortly after 6:00 that the man and woman were found as the murder points to a direct link between the spate of mob murders and police corruption.
Well, it was late at night. I didn't know with all that certainty, the enormity of the investigation as it would unfold Sunday night. May 16, 2004 Homicide Detective Senior Sergeant Charlie Buzina was called to the home of Terry and Christine Hudson. Their eyes go from left to right and center because they are watching as they watch. We have to let the crime scene tell them a story and the story that this was telling. To me, there were no signs of forced entry and it was pretty impregnable. There is an entrance door. There was a couch behind them. They had been quietly smoking a Roger and a cigarette there, which was still on the coffee table, so I guess what. would go through their heads is basically saying we'll know that in the worst case scenario they wouldn't kill us and throw us away, but we knew I need you to get on your knees and I think that's when the coins will become like they would have been.
We realized that if we leave here, they are going to kill us. Terry Hudson and his wife Christine had been shot twice in the back of the head. The casings were placed in the body. The shameless said simply picking up the empty shell and placing it on her. Well body, why bother doing that? That shows me calm, serenity, we are looking at a hitman, there is no way around it, I thought immediately and this was retaliation for giving you evidence against the police, so you know, I was obviously very disappointed. about the circumstances and understood that the likely ramifications in the case against poor Dale would disappear as a result of those murders.
Gregor says that within hours of seeing the murder happen, the police moved to minimize the possibility that corrupt cops could be involved. They would hold on to the years. I think it's too early to say that these are definitely related to the mob murders. We haven't made that call and I think we're far from making that call. I think it was a potentially dangerous move. that it set in motion the approach that they took in relation to the investigation of the murders and that there was a reluctance to allocate resources or raise them to a level that would indicate that there is likely to be police corruption or pulp involved in the murders . should have happened well, they should have immediately created an independent working group regarding the matter.
I felt strongly that the police were involved in the murders and that that should be a priority focus, but there would be no task force and the case was assigned to homicide detective Charlie Buzina, who says his first concern with the case had to do with the security measures that the police had provided for Hudson, the killer, and found the VHS recording system and stole the tape that recorded his entry into the house and was so obvious that the video recorder could be seen. once you entered the house, all these guys to a microphone monday tuesday wednesday thursday friday and the one on sunday was missing, you know it so obvious, but you know it again, ineptitude at any time, if equipment is required, people will only have You have to apply, provide justifications for the equipment and it will be funded for the report, I think it will come down to a question of costs, but again I was taken aback again, wait a minute, we have an informant giving them information and he had already made a statement to people about ethical standards. involvement of certain police officers in accusations of corrupt acts and then why not go further and say well, no, this is not something ordinary, this is something that is more intriguing and more involved, that this guy has the potential to screw it up? wide open here we are standing over his body now within hours buzina had decided to arrest and interrogate Paul Dale as well as begin investigating other suspects who might have wanted Hudson dead.
I, as an investigator, look at it and say why would anyone want to kill these people, the nervous team was their place, the informants say to start looking are the criminals, which is obvious, but because there is an involvement of police corruption again, his rise is wide open, he could be one of our Iron Hall-dale had a strong alibi that he didn't shoot the Hudsons, but soon Charlie Buzina learned something very disturbing. Secret police files on Hudson's work as a police informant had been stolen from the drug squad in the hours after the botched robbery at Oakley's drug house before Hudson's murder.
These files had been leaked to the same criminals that Hudson had delayed putting him in grave danger, there are a whole host of possible explanations for how that information could have gotten into the public domain and until we've had a chance to look at all of that and that It will take us some time. I am not in a position to say that the information the ABC claims to have seen came from a confidential police document on the ground which certainly created a big problem for Victoria Police in itself the fact that this information had come to light. clearly at the hands of the police because there is nowhere else criminals don't have access to it and the most obvious thing is that you would think it was poor Dale and Misha, they are the most obvious ones to look at if you were more or less I'm sure whoever leaked those police files wanted Terry dead.
Oh, that's a conclusion I absolutely came to, which would probably be mine. A year into avoiding calls for a Royal Commission, the Victorian government announced that famed Queensland police anti-corruption buster Tony Fitzgerald would travel. to Victoria to investigate the leaked hot sand files and everything. I just waited day after day and never saw Tony Fish. Jill never spoke to him, he never called me and then he came back and that was it and again I was left baffled as to what. It was about what was the purpose of bringing Tony Fitzgerald in and I think he was there probably less than a week.
Tony Fitzgerald's report may have been limited, but it still named Paul Dale as the obvious suspect in the theft of the Hudson files even in a discovery exploited by a senior police official, Fitzgerald did not produce any evidence linking poor Dale or police corruption with the Hudson murders. What I mean is that we should operate on the basis of evidence and until we get evidence that can prove the connection. I maintain that there is no proven connection between the two, but the man responsible for finding this evidence, Charlie Buzina, says that, like Murray Gregor before him, he did not know all the information the police had on Paul Dowsley to Carl Williams , including crucial wiretaps, and Buzina says like Gregor, he was also understaffed, he was getting bigger and bigger and, you know, I obviously thought to myself over a period of time.
The guys on the walls just stuck with me, you know, it seemed like they were treating it like a normal homicide investigation and they should have abandoned this dedicated investigation. task force from the same answer because blind predators could have seen the tentacles this led to tonight Murray Gregor

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s that he was so concerned about the forces handling the Hudson murder case that he broke ranks and called the newly formed office created Victorian anti-corruption agency. of police integrity or OPI to raise concerns that not enough was being done to investigate Paul Dale. My concerns about the associates are Paul Dale, who were currently in service with high ranking members of Victoria Place and who were apparently engaging in questionable activities.
He had sent that information through ESD. The command and information that came to me was that there was no desire or willingness to explore those issues and as I did I was not comfortable with myself so I made the decision to go to Opie regarding the matter Murray Gregor soon found himself looking over the shoulder and certainly subsequently received some threats, yes, what kind of threat our phone calls in the night, things of that nature, what we said, ah, they were, I'll just say everything I'll say in relation to the matter. It was very clear that you know that people were not happy with my involvement in the matter because you were pushing things, right?
I was trying to do it. Yes, for the next two years, the Hudson murder case stalled and then began an extraordinary development that Carl Williams had begun. a 35-year prison sentence at the BAU and after serving less than a year he approached Deputy Commissioner Simon Overland and told him that he had a story to tell Carl Williams. The allegations would put police corruption at the heart of Victoria's biggest mob murder. He was very worried, yes, he knew the consequences that could happen, but the police assured him that he would be safe with the goal of reducing his prison time, obtaining significant incentives for his family and possibly pocketing a million dollar reward.
Kyle Williams alleged to police he helped organize Terry Hudson's murder at the behest of a police officer, but Williams claimed he had been bribing for years Paul Dale George Williams says his son told police he was at the meeting in Melbourne where the murder was according to Kyle Williams supposedly commissioned by meeting with the reporter, one day he had someone get rid of the Hudson Hudsons, not Hudson Hudson. Carl Williams later also alleged that he had helped find a hitman to murder Terry Hudson, the notorious underworld killer. Rodney Collins Collins went to see Carter get his payment and Kyle said that we weren't supposed to be what happened to him. the lady said these things happen with something when you said Kyle told Rodney Collins what happened to the lady what do you mean well why did they kill the lady why did they kill the lady.
Christine Hudson asked him to get rid of Terence, not Christine, but I guess it's a natural thing for her to be a witness, so whoever did it, if Rodney did it, wouldn't leave a witness around Carl Williams. The accusations shook the police because they suggested what had been downplayed for so long that a police officer was allegedly involved in a gangland murder. What we said all along is that when we found evidence of it we would go after him. I don't have to protect anyone. What people like Simon Overland and the leadership of Victoria Police are doing is trying to create a corruption-resistant organization and at the Community Trust, in the face of Williams' allegations about the car, Simon Overland acted He quickly created an important working group that over the next two years. little by little we would piece together the information that murray gregor and charlie buzina never knew about old wiretaps and other evidence that would lead the police to charge poor Dale in 2009 with the murder of Terry Hudson, all Dahl was a person of interest the entire time , we will allege that he commissioned the murder.
Dale maintained his innocence and attacked Carl Williams' credibility. I would ask people to probably look at the

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of the person making the accusations first and then secondly look at the motivation behind what he has done, I believe, with the car. win, yeah, you've been involved in murders, you're not going to let honest citizen John come forward and say, listen, I'll tell you about ten underworld murders because they won't know the car Williams was in the business of knowing, so Yeah. He thinks he's going to be attacked, but I think you'll figure it out. They would have been able to leave and corroborate through some materialof telephone interceptions that they collected over seven or eight years.
A whole series of things of which I am totally innocent. murder of Christine and Terence Hudson after five years of investigations Police have charged over the murder of police informant Terence Hodes Hall-dale was a detective sergeant in the drug squad and is now accused of organizing one of the most notorious murders of Victoria after Dale was charged. With a revelation in the underworld as a star informant, word soon spread that Williams was not only helping police solve the Hudson murders, but also other unrelated mob murders - are they one thing, talk about anything that he knew they wanted to download and completely what are we talking about? the underworld gallons about the murders the murder she is the question would be in many I guess prisoners Minds who is going to talk what is he going to say what have I really said to the car William where is he going to be late with me so there is a whole range? of things that would be happening for many years criminal mods detective Master Sergeant Vaughn idols a veteran of the homicide squad was working cases of unsolved underworld murders when Williams began helping the police one of those cases involved the 2000 murder of the car Williams bodyguard Richard drove Richard was a Williams associative car and the Williams car had a philosophy and it was something like this those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know but what he didn't tell the public was that the car Williams had in 2010 hinted he could help solve the soft murder, this meant Williams potentially implicated a close collaborator, a feared underworld criminal called Rocco.
Oh Rico, they were very good friends at one time for about five little, four or five years. We used to live together in Venturi and do a lot of things. things together rocking news carl secrets and car new rocky secrets yes, rah Needles declined to speak to Four Corners about them bleeding in each case or about their suspect Rocco Rico because it's an ongoing investigation, but Four Corners learned that everything was planned to visit the Williams car. in the BAU in prison and see if he would implicate Rico in the murder, it is an event that put Williams in serious danger, obviously, you know, not only Ravi, there are also many other people who would assume it if Carl was talking about Dolly, which that spoke to him.
They, raaah, Needles would never get to meet the Williams car and see if he would report on Rocco Oh Rico in April 2010. Williams was in a maximum security compound at the BAU in prison with two cellmates, both notorious underworld figures, but some had been overlooked by police and prison authorities. Crucial Details: One of these two cellmates was Matthew Johnson, a notoriously violent criminal who hated police informants. The second cellmate, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was a close associate and was in telephone contact with none other than Rocco. Oh, Rico, you're hitting me. There is information now that he had never heard of before and that is that rocky ratio was ringing in that cell.
If I hadn't known that course, they would have hidden me. I was dumbfounded. I couldn't believe it. I thought how could this be allowed to happen while reading the morning newspaper. Kyle Williams filled in from behind ten minutes after Johnson murdered Williams, the second soulmate who was Rocco Rico's founding friend Rico, with the news that he would take. 27 minutes before prison guards responded to the murder, police said Williams' car was hit by a fellow inmate at 12:50 p.m. but they didn't call an ambulance for about 30 minutes. I don't want to speculate or comment on that, as far as we knew, there was nothing that worried us.
Carl Williams was murdered. A violent end to a violent life. Carl Williams met. a violent death in prison I think I called the prison on the fourth five six I don't remember how many times they said no all sir arrival we'll talk to you later boy this time everything was in the news and half a victory over half of Australia I knew what was happening and I just couldn't , he couldn't figure it out, he couldn't believe it, he couldn't figure out what was happening, what really happened, like I say, it's very, very clear, but how could he?
What happened and why it happened will be key questions we must answer. Prison staff tried to revive him but he went into cardiac arrest. I hope it is really a bad decision-making process and that there is not something more sinister, but you wonder how many of these bad decisions can occur in a particular investigation. The police case that Paul Dale organized. The murder of Terry Hudson was based on keeping Carl Williams alive. I can't say you would have forgiven him but it would have been nice if he actually had the chance to give his evidence just like Dad, they both didn't get their chance, the police will always be guilty in my eyes, they have to be held accountable, their care of Judea failed , whether my mother was forced to watch my father get murdered or vice versa.
I would hate to even think about what they were going through and that has always crossed my mind many times when I have cried over many a Williams tiara. The death has sparked an ongoing investigation into whether it was like police suspect Brocco Errico who gave the order to kill Williams. Paul Doll was not linked to Williams' death, but outgoing police chief commissioner Ken Lay said: told a still-unsolved coronial inquest recently that police still believe Paul Dale is responsible for Terry Hudson's murder. Dale denies it and the council attending the coroner says there is not enough evidence to say who killed the Hudsons.
Former Chief Commissioner Simon Overland, who oversaw investigations into the Hudson and Williams murders, declined to comment to Four Corners, as did his predecessor Christie Nixon and her replacement Ken Lay, but there has been another major development recently. . Victoria's anti-corruption agency has launched an investigation into alleged police mismanagement of a third underworld figure who was assisting police in the Hudson case tonight. Ron Adele tells Four Corners that he refused an order from Simon Overland to take a statement from this figure because he was doing so that he could have exposed them to gangland reprisals or even death.
I had a conversation with that witness and I told him that if I take this statement, these are the likely implications, so I didn't take the statement, so sometimes I think priorities are wrong, yes, we all want to. have a successful outcome in relation to court cases, but I do not think we will do so at the expense of the life of a witness. raaah Needles now heads the Victoria Police Union and he, along with Buzina and Gregor, say reforms are needed to better protect witnesses and informants. including those who do not want to join the witness protection program, if someone does not enroll, we need to look at how we are going to take care of that witness who has not fully enrolled and perhaps still can be. a relocation could be security cameras and we often forget that once the witness has given us evidence, sometimes we think the job is done, we have the conviction, let's move on, that witness is still at risk for the rest of his life , it's very delicate, it's volatile handling police informants and taking care of witnesses, we need outside organizations to look at us and say we're right, you're not doing that property today Paul Dowell lives in regional Victoria, near the small town where he grew up, he sees himself as one of the biggest victims of this still unresolved ordeal I didn't do it I'm here to tell people that I didn't do it I wrote my book for people to read so they can read what happened to me and the reasons well, what I can, I can only suggest the reasons why those things happened to me.
Do you think Paul Dowell could have gotten away with this? Yeah, how does that sound to you? Not very well.

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