Are Toyota's New Turbo Engines a BAD Idea?

Yes, yes, ever since the new Toyota Tacoma came out earlier this year, people on the Internet have been badmouthing the Tacoma's powertrains. Early on I understood that the Toyota Tacoma is a legend and much of that legend has been drawn from the reputation of the Toyota Tacoma. Impeccable reliability, but surely with a base iForce engine that generates 50 lb-ft more torque than the current Toyota Tacomas powertrain and an optional iForce Max engine that generates 200 lb-ft more torque than the current Toyota Tacomas powertrain , people would get over it. well not really and unfortunately most people's arguments amount to little more than the old way they worked, simpler propulsion systems are more reliable and while the gist of this argument may be true let's take take a moment to look at some reasons why that might not be true, first look at the two powertrains that have come up most frequently in this discussion and that is the current Tacoma 3.5-liter V6 making 278 horsepower and 265 lbs. -ft of torque and the previous-generation Toyota Land Cruisers 5.7-liter V8 that generates 381 horsepower and 401 lbs. ft. of torque that was also shared with the previous Toyota Tundra and the Lexus LX, so I'm going to lump all of these together into the new 2024 Toyota Tacoma iForce Max powertrain that makes 326 horsepower and a whopping 465 five pound-feet of torque, which is really crazy and the base iForce engine makes 278 horsepower and 317 pound-feet of torque, which is no slouch and early leaked mileage estimates show the engine iForce Max could be capable of up to 20 miles per gallon, so not only are these two

engines

much more powerful than the

engines

they replace, they are actually more fuel efficient than the engines they replace and under workload they would still be more efficient and then there's the recently revealed 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser, which will also be powered by that iForce Max engine which, as you may have guessed, is already more powerful in Turbo four-cylinder form than the Land Cruiser's 5.7-liter V8 200 outgoing and also with torque gear, and because that engine was a gas guzzler, I mean we're talking like 13 and 17 miles per gallon city and highway, the efficiency of the new engine will be a drastic improvement over the old one, but Your

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works with your

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charged engines, who would want a turbocharged Toyota engine?

Wait a second. Who would want a turbocharged Toyota engine? You are listening? For you, have you ever heard of the oh I don't know, 2JZ or the JC, why are they famous again? I don't remember, please someone remind me that 2JZ and 1JZ are famous, oh that's true. generating huge power figures while being virtually indestructible, the 2JZ could be twin turbo, it could have a huge turbo, it could fly like the end of the movie Twister and make ungodly power without breaking down and the 1js Z could make a Incredible power for its size in a smaller single Turbo, but those are inline-six engines famous for their smoothness and resilience, so I guess you're saying, "Oh, they don't count, they don't count, do they?

They're not four Well, I guess that means you're also not counting the 7M GTE straight-six from the Mark III Supra, which for a time was the most powerful engine Toyota made in its day, so I'm sure you don't want to count that either. Let's look at something else, what about the 3? GTE of the Toyota MR2 in the Toyota Celica that included piston oil jets for cooling in a technologically advanced air-to-air intercooler for the time and was largely considered quite reliable in . that time, what about the 3.6 liter V8 biturbo r36? that Toyota ran at Le Mall I sound classy when I said oh, okay, okay, those aren't truck engines.

I understand. I understand. They are not truck engines. Truck engines knock differently. It's true. What about the 22 RTE that Toyota introduced in the Hilux and Forerunner, wait, wait, let's go to Hilux and Forerunner, what are those two vehicles famous for? Oh, that's right, they are also indestructible and reliable. So you're telling me that a turbo four powered two of Toyota's most legendary nameplates since mid? Until the late 80's, let me put it another way for those of you who are still not convinced, people don't tend to complain about engine numbers and powertrain designs when the numbers are constantly increasing, even if the same arguments that They are presenting could be applied as if it were a new type of powertrain and design, but as long as the numbers are higher, people tend to agree with this.

Here's an example: The famous 80-series Land Cruiser was motivated by a 4.5-liter inline six-cylinder engine that generated 212 horsepower and 265. pound-feet of torque that was the gateway to a 4.7-liter V8 that generates 228 horsepower and 302 pound-feet of torque and that gave way to the 5.7-liter V8 in the 200 series, but to the current Lexus LX, which is our version of the 300-series Land Cruiser. It makes 409 horsepower and 479 pound-feet of torque with a 3.4-liter twin-turbo V6 and people prefer the 5.7-liter V8. The current Lexus GX, which is older than the San Andreas fault line, has a 4.6-liter V8 that makes 301 horsepower and 329 pounds. -ft of torque, but the new 3.4-liter twin-turbo V6 will make 349 horsepower and 400,479 pound-feet of torque and will probably let you know the actual gas mileage and it's very likely that vehicle could get a version of the twin-turbo .

V6 iForce Max hybrid engine that generates 583 pound-feet of devastating torque. There is simply no scenario in which the new turbo engines won't be superior in terms of power responsiveness and of course fuel economy and yet I've heard everything from conspiracy theories about Toyota's planned obsolescence Because of government overreach on efficiency and everything else, and it all has one thing in common, none of that makes any sense if you're going to bet on a brand to advance powertrain technology while maintaining the reliability, wouldn't it be Toyota? Wouldn't they be the ones you'd throw your chips at if you're going to buy a more powerful, more fuel efficient turbocharged engine and expect it to last 200,300,400,000 miles?

They've been in the hybrid game. Longer than anyone else, they've been building reliable trucks longer than anyone else. Think about it like this and I'm about to date myself when I was a little kid, my parents still had a rotary dial phone in the house and if you don't. I know what a rotary dial telephone is. I'll put a picture of one on the screen and it was the one where you had to turn the entire dial to select a particular number and it was incomprehensible how something like that could ever break, but I'll do it.

I grab my iPhone every day of the week on that rotary phone and twice on Sundays, where would we be if that rotary phone hadn't given way to cordless phones that hadn't given way to Zac Morris' cell phone that hadn't ushered in foldable phones that hadn't given way to the little Nokia bricks we all carried around when I was in college, that hadn't given way to smartphones and eventually the iPhone or the iPhone and then the smartphones, To be honest, there were always people in every iteration of mobile phones complaining that they were too complicated, that they were too prone to breaking, that they were unreliable and on and on, and now look where we are, aside from all the social anxiety. and things caused by social media, that's another discussion.

I don't think you're going to get social anxiety from your Toyota's powertrain, although there were alarmist conspiracy theories back then too, there are too many radio waves in the air that phones are going to emit. You, cancer, the government is tracking you and it goes on and on yada yada yada, etc., etc., and guess what, some of it is true. We are being tracked by phones everywhere, but it's actually Google and Amazon that do that, not the government. I mean, maybe they are. too, but we obviously don't care because we let it happen anyway, a lot of it ended up being garbage.

Look, if you're going to lament the eventual demise of a particular Toyota powertrain, it honestly should be the 5-liter V8 that goes into the Lexus LC and is-500, but as things stand with Toyota pickups and all the fuss about the new turbocharged engines, I personally think they represent a huge leap forward and until we have definitive long-term data on the reliability of As for engines, I'll go with a turbocharged torque monster that offers decent fuel economy in comparison with the venerable 5.7 liter V8 any day of the week, except for the noise, the V8 was pretty good for that, now guys I'd love to know what you think, let me know. the comments what you think and I challenge the naysayers I challenge you if you disagree do your best to articulate why without something alarmist and unfounded they will last longer than turbo engines, you don't know we don't have data on that and I'm done to give you a list of all the old school Toyota turbocharged engines that are known to be pretty reliable, so tell me in the comments, aside from that argument, why you think the old way is better and if you're interested in the new So tell me why, what excited you the most about Toyota's new family of turbocharged engines.

I'll keep an eye on the comments until next time. See you in the next video. Yes, yes, thank you.