Wie Menschen aufblühen mit Paul Johannes Baumgartner | einfach ganz leben

Welcome to the new episode of Simply Whole Life, your podcast for conscious living. I'm Jutta Ribbrock, a presenter, radio editor and host of radio news, TV reports and audiobooks, among other things. In this podcast I talk to extraordinary people. two weeks about everything that makes life more beautiful and at the same time more relaxed. What also makes today more exciting and intense is Paul Johannes Baumgartner, a positive psychology enthusiasm expert, as well as a business coach, speaker and author, and he has also written two books on enthusiasm and his current big topic is how people calm down, that is, how we develop our talents, how we contribute to the world and enjoy our lives, in short, what a successful life looks like from the perspective of positive psychology.

We are talking about this today. We had a lot of fun listening to it, it was nice for Paul to have you with me, hello dear Jutta, I'm so happy it finally worked out. It finally worked and I thought: wow! I read a bit of yours and watched it. On the topic of flowering, you tell me something beautiful about the world of nature. Flowers always have a flower in front of them that faces the sun and tells us a little about this metaphor. a beautiful necessity is my favorite metaphor and it is the heliotropic effect you are referring to.

I think it is a heliotopic defect, we, the ancient Greeks, of course, know about the sun and Tropi, the heliotopic effect is the turning towards the sun and I think that each of us knows it and everyone who listens to us and that some Once you have put a flower in the window you will notice that after a relatively short time the flower does something very, very exciting, it moves towards the light. Nature has every living being, every organism. the tendency towards light and away from darkness and the image is in nature the sun is the source of positive energy the sun is a life-giving force and in evolution all living beings have always been different from those who feel drawn to that which gives life for understandable reasons and I have tried to avoid everything that kills life or is a threat and the idea of ​​flourishing and growing in the subject of my heart is whether that is the case that every living being, every organism flourishes in the presence of the positive and fades in the presence of the negative could probably have an impact on how we configure our relationships with each other as people, that is, how we raise our children, how we teach them, positive education is also interesting , how we work when we are in companies in sales For example, talking to our clients, how we talk to our friends and if I am a manager, how I deal with my employees, how I talk to them Yes, I want to reveal something here Conversation That's why I prefer.

I'll tell you right away, we are both radio people, you as a presenter, I as a journalist and we have both also taken a different path. I am now, for example, with this podcast, which makes me very happy to be able to enter. completely different topics and give impulses to give for a full life that, hopefully, many listeners will carry with them in their lives and basically you too, as a classical radio host, followed this path with your topic, enthusiasm with coaching, how you got there , what was your motivation to go there and then what steps did we take?

In stages, each of us would have ups and downs in our professional careers and in 2002 I began to think about how I could shape my future if I wanted to stay exclusively. Being a presenter was a childhood dream of mine and I realized that I would like to continue being a moderator but I would also like to do something else and then I addressed the topic of enthusiasm, that is, how enthusiastic do you get if we want to talk. in a business context, how you inspire customers or management context, how you inspire employees and, very importantly, in general.

Being able to inspire someone, how enthusiastic you are yourself, that's really crucial and then a few years ago. I met a friend of mine and I asked her what do you do and she told me about positive psychology and at first I thought about positive thinking, but that's not all, but positive psychology answers the research question of how people thrive, so What 2,000 psychologists around the world have specialized in the subject area of ​​positive psychology and positive thinking is something relatively fleeting. I would say I wish for something in the universe if it works wonders. There is nothing wrong with that, but it has no scientific basis and there are many things. hope and generally little activity in positive thinking, such as: I just have to imagine it and then it will happen, but no one has ever tired of praying and that is why I found positive psychology interesting and familiar.

I always give examples of positive psychology and I always said yes, I wanted to, I said it seemed familiar to me or when she told me something about positive psychology I said I saw it the same way. So I've noticed a lot of congruence between what I've been doing for over 20 years and positive psychology and how I came up with this theme of flourishing and also very importantly, not just flourishing and then fading again, but the idea behind this of flourishing. and grow, my heart is about opening because just by hearing these words they blossom like this, it's wonderful and I think that humans have an incredibly great talent for that and, in terms of mood, we always ruin ourselves.

It bothers us a lot when someone gives. us the right of way at the checkout, right in the queue where we were at the supermarket cancellation, it's always there, it's clear or I don't know when the neighbors play the music too loud We worry, we Somehow we're really good at it. Why is the focus so strong on so many negative things? So, what always calms me is that there are also a lot of positive people, a lot of optimistic people and looking at that gives. You have a lot of strength and also a lot of hope, but of course there are these whiny whiners where you really have to ask yourself what you are complaining about.

So with what justification? And then it's always interesting to see why people complain, because they really do. They have reasons to complain, so we define it as complaining, but these people may not be doing well, they have fears, they have worries and that is why they have gotten into a downward spiral towards the negative spiral and of course there are people. who just have incredibly high expectations, surprisingly not for themselves, but generally for other road users and others at the checkout because they are a little more merciful to themselves no, so these are the complainers with whom the classics I can do very little and I try to stay away from them, but what you are talking about there is this negativity, this distortion of perception, this focus on negative things it is just there, it is also due to evolution, research has shown that it have shown. and it has to do with the fact that positive emotions help us humans feel good and negative emotions ensure our survival, so I'll go back to it, I don't know, I haven't been able to listen to all your podcasts, but I've already listened to some from them.

The image can no longer be explained, but it is a mode of survival and it is really related to evolution and in this sense, that could be a possible explanation of why some people see the negative, it is actually a protective function. , a protective function, there is actually a good intention behind this hey, I want to survive and completely Honestly, anyone who thinks is wrong, each of us now wants to move from the negative to the positive. We are talking about positive psychology. , although I'd also like to relate to what you just said about thinking positively and that's actually the goal.

It's not that you always only have positive things in life, but that negative things are part of it. Sometimes you're unlucky, sometimes. we get sick, something gets stolen, I don't know, so that's just part of it and if we have the goal that everything always has to be positive, then that's all we can do. If we fail a lot, then we feel very bad. That is, by assuming and accepting that these lows exist, we are actually doing quite well because then we don't get as upset when something negative happens. I think it's still important to distinguish between being happy and being a contrasting experience that we can. remind ourselves over and over again, that's why being happy is a contrasting experience when we wake up in the morning then we are healthy and we wake up in the morning then for the vast majority of people the first reflection is not that I am healthy after you open the eyes looks different when you are sick when you are sick and you don't feel well you have an illness and then one day you wake up and realize that I am healthy then the present is negative the present of Suffering if you want to hang a little higher it is certainly part to be happy, it is very important not one or two but both and now let's look at the positive, there is a great model, now I have learned the positive from you.

Psychology says We need certain nutrients, so why basic psychological nutrients for us to flourish and grow? And there is the so-called permanent model and I learned the P from you, the first letter P means positive emotions, how do we create joy, for example? Gratitude is part of this Love is part of this Enjoyment is part of positive psychology and how we achieve it for ourselves the question is relative for most people, at least for all of us, we should not think too blankly. and black, everything is very very individual but I believe in Most people already have these positive emotions in life, but we do not consciously perceive them.

There is a wonderful story about the farmer who got up every morning and put a handful of dried beans in his left pocket. , you know the story, tell me, I think, how many episodes of the podcast is about 100, so every morning when the farmer wakes up when he gets up before going to work, he puts a can of dried beans in his left pocket and every The times he goes to work during the day he experiences positive emotions, positive experiences, never every time he has a positive experience, he takes a dry bean out of his left pants pocket and puts it in his right pocket and thus listens to the birds singing. , the laughter of her children, the first coffee, a pleasant chat with the neighbor and it didn't happen so often at the beginning that a dry bean went from the left pocket of her pants to the right, that took a while but over time it got very good there and every time he did it.

At night, before going to bed, each time he checked the right pocket of his pants to see how many dry beans he had when he took them out and with each dry one he remembered this positive experience and every time he fell asleep happy and content. If sometimes there were only a few few dry beans in the right pocket and that is what I mean by that it is not always the great positive emotions that have to be there, the positive experiences of the higher department continue faster but on the contrary the enthusiasm arises in the details So the little things in life and if you asked me now or I would ask you or I would just turn the tables if you now thought about positive emotions, what were the positive emotions? that you could experience, the positive experiences that you could experience before us.

So now the podcast of course is included and I'm sure you'll think of something today or in my life today so today I'm already at work so I did something else this morning and I had a very nice chat with one . There is a familiarity with some colleagues and I would throw a dry bean from my left pants pocket in that direction. That wasn't today, but I was recently using it. a very special dress and everything was so amazing, you look so great today and of course it's a great highlight when you receive a compliment, it's always particularly nice and to be honest, over the course of the last few months, years, whatever. you want, it has become much stronger for me.

A basic attitude developed that I often say: I have a nice life, I have a warm home, I have love, I have friendship, my sons are doing quite well, my daughters are grown up. and they are on their way and I really enjoy it and I can see it too. A while ago I bought a little booklet that has this saying from Voltair, so that's where the health is. I've decided to be happy and sometimes at night I write something I'm grateful for. That's this little guy and that's the bean, the bean from left to right, the beautiful story of positive psychology, the much... praised the gratitude journal, so gratitude is one of the positive emotions in psychology positive that helps us flourish and grow and this intervention is called good and free things, so three good things, for example, at night you can do this, sit and ask.

Point number one is the question of what nice things I experienced today, three experiences in total, that is, three dry beans, so to speak, if you will, and then there is a second very exciting question to gain self-efficacy and become even more aware. What I have actively contributed to is the fact that I was able to perceive and experience these moments as beautiful, wonderful, great and that just has a completely different impact on me. Some people say they don't like doing it. You can do it both at night. I don't know exactly why I think that isgreat at night, but you can just as easily do it in the morning, okay, what good things will I experience today, so what.

What can I expect? I'm also a little excited and what will I actively contribute so that I can experience these positive and beautiful moments? In just two weeks it is also scientifically proven in positive psychology that my way of thinking has already changed. It is important to say that you are much more cheerful and you will not go through life more optimistic and suddenly you will see things with completely different eyes, that's exactly it, look at it differently and maybe it will also be interesting Jutta, please slow down, you have a brother, I invited someone who wanted to be a radio presenter when he was 14 years old and you are a very enthusiastic guy because I think the topic, I am very happy that you do it, you are very interested in it and our horns on the podcast too.

There is a proportion, there is a proportion of three to one in the issue of positive emotions, so for a negative emotion the ideal is three positive emotions and that is also one, so they have, how should you say that? They eliminate, so to speak, the positive emotions they have. the ability to cancel negative emotions, to equalize whatever you want to call it and there are people who say yes, but if everything is positive that is exactly the point you said before, you can see it beautifully in this ratio, so in this ratio the ratio is 3 :1 and not 3:0 at this moment we are seeing the following in perma which was positive emotion the second nutrient commitment super super exciting because the question that each of us can ask ourselves is invited from positive psychology, so to speak, to ask ourselves the question: what do I contribute to something happening by being able to live my strengths and maybe even get into the flow, that is, into this wonderful channel in which requirements and skills or requirements, skills and strengths in one?

We have a very, very good relationship, that the music stops playing, that we forget about time and space because we are so trapped in something, for example we also make this podcast. I don't want to look at the clock. Look how long we've been talking, it's already passing. Again the time is too fast and that is strength and fluidity and that is very, very exciting because I have had the experience of many people in coaching sessions who find it very difficult. to name your strengths to have a version of strengths blindness, I would like to say that there are different strengths researchers, one of them is Alex Lindley and he said that two thirds of all people can't name their strengths and they don't know what their strengths are .

I don't really know where they are in their interesting element and if you now work with someone, for example in the company where you do coaching, and you notice how you find out what a strength is and if you can answer this question, then you are very, very close to the result. In positive psychology there is a good definition of strengths that says what drives you, so it is really driving what you want to live and now comes the killer phrase that completely triggered me and cost me. You have energy if you have to suppress it and that caught my attention.

I also thought about what my strengths are. Each of us has many strengths, but naming them as a real weakness wouldn't be a problem at all, so. We can still find our own podcast. It's crazy that we can do so well and show it, and when it comes to strengths, I've thought about it, I'm worth a lot. Many impulse conferences have just been booked and. um in front of me, we're always talking about it, they keep a wonderful clip in a dry but very content-based clip about specialized conferences and I have to honestly say that I admire that, I admire that because I couldn't do that.

I couldn't do that. I also made news at my company once, so they recorded me at the station where we can still work with you. I made the news and many of my circle of friends told me that if you do it. the news then we have to wait. At the end of the report I always leave it on record and from that moment I knew that being a news editor is not necessarily my job, it is not my strong suit, you are a thousand times better. Boy, I'll really like you, you're doing great, but I think that's just one of your strong points.

My strong point, I identified it at some point, is humor and I always try to bring humor to coaching. sessions or the areas I'm allowed to work on and to be honest I couldn't do anything else, it would cost me energy. If I back off, okay, so we know what you like, we definitely know exactly and if I say I'm now an employee of a company and now I come to you and tell you it's not fun here where I am. I once thought my workspace was kind of cool, but now I might even have to do it.

I leave the store because somehow it's not the right place for me. How could you help me? First of all, I always hope that it's not a company employee that I can supervise, because of course there is. some conflict of interest, but on the other hand, when employees come to me, that doesn't necessarily mean they have to throw everything away and stop working for this company, so I say, well, I've heard what you're saying. and from the point of view of feelings, please correct me with what you see, you would rather stop today than tomorrow, but now let's follow what is there and of course where the strengths are when we have our strengths again. penguin the famous example of Eckart von Hirschhausen a penguin when you see it on land you think it's a total mistake the penguin's skin is slipping it has trouble keeping its balance beaks with its beak on the ice to be able to get up again but as soon as it is in the water it is elegant, I have never seen more elegant animals than penguins in the water and then of course the question is, so the first or important question is of course what urgently comes out of you, what would you say what do you want to live?

Which costs you energy if you have to contain it. So, of course, it's always interesting to have a science-based strengths test with a high level of reliability that you complete in advance. level of reliability that we don't test on Monday and Tuesday sometimes has completely different results on Monday, but I can say that's okay, that really seems to be a trend and then you try to find something strengths-based that allows for that. person to flourish and grow and I used the example in a concrete example that I will never forget, someone came to me and coached me and said yes, unhappy people and so on and I would like to quit my job.

I realized that she worked in purchasing at the company that operated globally and she was just completely unhappy and in retrospect, we all know why she was completely unhappy because it was not in her strengths, it gave her no satisfaction filling out charts. Excel, would not have given him any satisfaction. having to negotiate the second decimal for the company and we discovered that she really likes to use her free time in her free time. Here you can also find a strength that can also be used well in your work. She spends a lot of time on social media in her spare time and she really enjoys doing it, yes I know people who don't really like doing it, but she really likes doing it and then she came up with the idea.

I could ask if I have to continue shopping. It is a company that operates worldwide. A lot of opportunities for changes, the marketing department changed, that's very happy, yes, great, those are also good examples of that, of course, I'm happy too. that at least I was able to ask a question and help make sure that they're really in it, that they've really found something, what they're having fun with, where their strengths are, it's great, so if we can get involved where we belong, it's pretty cool, definitely, and another example Jutta stops me came to me again and thought about it: she is not very happy, she would like to do something else and then I realized that this manager is in his 40s and early 50s and he's searching for meaning, which I can understand very well as a 20-year-old.

I'm not looking for meaning yet, but the older I get, the more I look for meaning and many are looking for the meaning of life, the purpose, which is heroic, which is really what it is. It's a great goal, but many people fail because of it and then become unhappy if they don't find meaning. in life and we work together and at some point I said it might be that it's not about the meaning of life but rather the meaning in life. Life is possible and it was really exciting because when she looked at me for the first time, she really wanted to eat. that maybe I was going vertical, but that was the key for her, that is not even the search for the meaning of life, that is not what it is about, it has to go away and that is also the search for the things in life and then He got into volunteering. work and so to speak made up for the meaning he wasn't finding in his work by focusing on his free time activities I think, but then shortening a day or so it worked in this model for him to have time to volunteer because I find that really exciting, I find it totally relieving because it's a huge task, tell me the meaning of your life, what am I here for, then why am I walking on this globe, it's so big and basically like we just talked about the little things that I say, I'm totally happy that my children are doing well, so I have also contributed a little to them following their path.

But of course, most of them do it alone. but that is something that gives meaning to my life, for example family, my own children and of course my podcast where I think well maybe one of the others who listen to us will give an impulse with something like what you are doing now you say with this meaning of life, how nice it is when someone takes that impulse with them and even in my work in the news, where a lot of people say, oh news, it's always about negative things and it makes you unhappy, but I make news, like this I try.

It's constructive that you're trying to tell it like this, does someone think of solutions to maybe find a way out of a problem and then just feel different? Yes, I can confirm it. I love listening to the podcast and listening to it. podcast what Jutta says Because we are both still in different studios but we are connected by eye contact when I have a show and when you have news and I also think that that makes a lot of sense in the sense that you are improving society by doing it. I mean what would be the other option: that society becomes even more restless to emotionalize clarity over harmony so that the news works too, but with a constructive news approach how could that be a solution because hope is allowed, if you like? you take away hope from people, then you take it away from them. because we're almost there.

In the next point, that is, relationship, we also enter into relationship with the people who listen to us, what exactly do I bring to this? The question that everyone can ask themselves is invited in the sense of positive psychology. What do I contribute to ensure that I have positive and sustainable relationships? Then I can experience how engaged I am with my friends, how engaged I am with them, so it's really about social integration, about belonging to a group. I come from Bavaria and. When I drove here I knew we were going to talk to him briefly about the perma hotel.

In fact, I thought that a format for maintaining relationships was the regular customers' table in my Bavarian homeland, Lower Bavaria. Yes, yes.or even if you say okay, what we have done again and again now that we have Corona has unfortunately put an end to it, then what do I contribute to establishing sustainable relationships to fly to the circle of friends that we always have? that shortly before Christmas he made turkey dinner and that was really great, that was only once a year, yes, what didn't it do well to the circle of friends of the relationships and that is also for many relationships that is the number factor one of happiness for many people, so feeling like they belong, to lend a hand when you feel bad, to be comforted, to have someone to listen to you when you don't feel well, then this connection that we humans have, we are social creatures , then Martin gives exactly that, this listening, the comfort and that does a lot for you.

Well that's exactly what's exciting, it's not a one way street, it's based on the motto what can the world do for me or for me? What could my friends do for me? But perhaps it is really this principle of reciprocity that all or many of us perhaps also know that I do good things and receive something good as a gift in return. I think it works pretty well, especially with friends. and relationships are also a factor, a nutrient that contributes to our physical and mental health Kim or not, Kim Cameron is the American organizational psychologist who has shown that the factor of relationships with other people also has an impact on the mortality rate . or poor social relationships increase the probability of dying earlier by up to 70 percent, which is really worth it and in comparison he said that smoking increases the probability by 50%, so people who smoke have 50% more probability that they will die sooner. and when they drink, the increase is 30%, so positive relationships have a very strong effect onour health, much more than the bad drugs you just mentioned, definitely a factor that we have already touched on a little in the other points. perma with a model perma m as meaning also means that life is actually worked in exactly the same way and now not only sit relaxed and comfortable, now there is another letter that has something to do with the fact that we get involved and achieve something kamishment I have to say that I also know that many people have problems with achieving a goal, because people always come and say yes, I need the goals, oh, I always feel somehow overwhelmed when I have goals because somehow I don't have them.

I have. I have a real goal. I probably want to set another big overall goal. That's just terrible pressure. You can only make yourself unhappy. You can really take a lucky shot and you know which one is yours. but I think the probability is relatively low and when it comes to the topic of goals, I always mention them, I find it very comforting here again dear, go deeper, so don't look for the big general goal, but look Am I roughly at the ? Because? We are often attracted to something. That is already an orientation towards a goal.

Of course, it is an orientation towards a goal and there is the nice example of the student pilot in the first hour of flight who is flying in her instructor. next to him and then the flight instructor tells him to be careful and now when you are about to make your first landing then the nose tries to keep the plane parallel to these six white landing lines that you see in front of you, preferably on the one on the middle in the middle The landing line tried to shoot down a plane, so it's okay, the student tried the flight and the flight instructor noticed after a few seconds that nothing was going to happen, it's okay, he said, be careful, for Please try to shoot down the plane within the specific area, but I also noticed for a few seconds that nothing was going to happen.

Well, I said maybe we can agree to store the plane within the territory of the European Union, so that would have helped us. I think the government is just as kind. and when it comes to achieving goals. I was in Barcelona a few weeks ago and I was very impressed with the Sagrada Familia, with this huge church, with this huge cathedral that will probably finally be finished in 2026 after 144 years of construction, it is not. finished and it's already very old, I think that's also phenomenal, it's great and then I went down to the museum and I also learned what could have contributed to this project becoming a reality despite the long construction time because Antoni Gaudí, the architect, he joined after a relatively short time, so he wasn't there from the beginning: he had partial shots.

He says that he simply drew a family that lasted long past his death, which is why he created so many partial shots. during your life to prevent the thing from not being finished and I thought I would take a look again at the topic of achieving goals, we always see the big goal and that's where we want to go or many people see the big goal and just keep that in mind , it is much better to break everything down into achievable subgoals and who knows, maybe now we have an idea that the first 144 years will come to an end, but we made significant progress. contribution to the construction of the cathedral, he's a great player, I'm just thinking if I can think of something, I can't think of anything spontaneously, Paul, that's really giving me the impression of what we could be.

Think about what will be finished in 144 years. We'll give it to our listeners and maybe someone will come up with something and write to me, let's see what comes of it. You can always find them in the jutta@ show notes. brock from just don't hesitate to write to me if you can think of something you'd like to start and someone else will reap the benefits after three generations, we've already mentioned negative BIOS, that's exactly the same thing. , then there are studies on what makes you happy in life and then all kinds of things come up, from family to gardening, to nature, work always comes in the background and you as a radio host, you know it too, So on Mondays you say, oh, we really want it to be Friday again.

Finally we have a weekend and I always think yes, but I also choose work because when in doubt it is something I enjoy or it is something that gives me. meaning and sometimes I wonder if it is also a question of attitude. That's why it's common practice to always say that working is always exhausting and so on, but if you include it in your life as a source of meaning because we really spend an incredible amount. of time in it, you can also create a change of attitude so that it does not stay in these drawers, yes, work is exhausting, negative and real life is when we finally go on the weekend and dance at the disco.

A bit like that, dear Jutta, because for a long time I was also instrumental in giving the impression that this is a job, which could be annoying, I don't know, for a while I found it very funny on the Monday morning show. say from Monday morning until the weekend, I wouldn't do it that way anymore, but also because I got feedback from a lot of companies that came to me, Baumgartner said, if you think you're funny and humor is one of your points strong, so I think that about you, but personally we find it anything but funny and that's when I started thinking because of course that triggers something, we have Jutta, we have so many.

Strictly speaking, with every word we could, depending on the attention level of our listeners, we triggered something positive, logically that's why we usually do negative ones too, and that was so clear to me that I will never say that again on Monday night. tomorrow weekend because I still have a mindset and that also has a ripple effect. and one person says the saying in their circle of friends and the next and at some point they believe in all people's worst case scenario and that of course is counterproductive because to be honest, if they took our jobs away, we would do it.

We have a huge problem, so we and not everyone are so self-regulated. We need it too. Some people need it too. Now during Corona times they were sent to work from home and suddenly they had this freedom. They've suddenly realized how much discipline it takes to sit at your desk at home at 9am, groomed and ironed and I can handle that, so I also find it incredibly valuable when it comes to work. They are precisely these frames. conditions in which these railings exist here in this area at this moment it begins and after so many hours its presence is officially desirable and, but it also has to say that the work is, of course, glorified in our culture because we think about it .

I have already talked about the meaning before, there are an incredible number of retirees who suddenly find themselves out of work, they have lost the meaning. On the other hand, work is often the unpleasant thing to do. overcome, on the contrary, when it has such a strong contribution to one's meaning in life, then a gap can arise, as often happens with the difference between poison and medicine, the dosage, the same is true when it comes to to work and I believe that with these studies because you just said that there are many studies and there is work, so what makes them happy?

And the work comes relatively late, but I don't think that's the case either. Ask me now what makes you happy. I would probably say work, not immediately at the top of the priority list, although I really enjoy my job. Moderation and coaching, conferences, seminars. I just came from one, so my voice is a bit. off, but I'd probably say it's okay, if you asked me. I would say that my friends are a very important factor of happiness for me, which makes me happy. That I am healthy is also not a fact for me. Happy? I would say that work would come relatively late because it does not determine my life.

That's why I believe in these surveys, what makes you happy? You cannot be blinded as the work comes relatively late and comes at the end. Back up, yeah, you're right, if someone asked me I probably wouldn't come forward if that's the case or if my work is being talked about, then I can really tell with the radio that it makes sense to me. It makes sense, I really do have a lot of fun, but I'm also happy when I'm lying on the beach and my feet in the statehouse are a little more relaxed. Of course, the issue must be broken down. of what it does to you, although I don't have a work-life balance either, for me it's just a life balance because my work is part of my life, but maybe you should look at the question and say: okay, what? what makes you happy in your private life or what makes you happy as a private person and what makes you happy as a person?

Activity like news, happy grandchildren or in your activity as a book and podcast author then I think the answers would be different, so let's go back to the personal. enthusiasm for yourself, there are days like that Paul will definitely come to you too, when you stand up in the morning while you're growing up Mirror and think like that, I don't know what you're thinking, but when you have a moment like That that you don't agree with Paul, how can you get back on track? I was afraid people would ask questions like this. Let's say that Kurt Krömer finds it difficult to talk about his projects and himself. and I feel a little the same, but he is wonderfully open like her.

We weren't very popular in the family, I think if we and we always offered others the stage, we always said it, if we had been on the Titanic, please. Forgive me for this example, but if we had been on the Titanic as passengers, I think everyone else would have survived, but we wouldn't have survived the sinking of the Titanic because we said they wanted a lifeboat first, of course. , after them it's okay of course we will wait and at some point it would be so magical then sometimes it's not good to build it yourself it's totally true but if it really happens to me and of course not.

It doesn't happen to all of us every day and that doesn't have to be the case, that would be very toxic too. I think the sun appears out of nowhere, so if I really don't care, it really helps me. most of them are my friends, so talking is very good for me, the people I know who have known me for a long time and who understand me, don't have to say much, the first line can be humorous.Or you see it from another perspective , that alone is enough for me, that is, I am totally energized after drinking coffee for an hour, for example with one of my best friends Martin, after which I simply feel 99.9 better % of the time.

In some cases faith is important but also that you accept that you don't feel that good, so this morning I woke up a little exhausted, I don't know exactly why, but I didn't feel that good, oh man. I'm meeting Jutta this afternoon, Jutta on the podcast. She's going to be really exciting, you have something clever to say. I just got back from the workshop I gave, which also challenged me a bit and, of course, you. I have to find a way first, but the most important thing is really acceptance. You have to figure it out over and over again and then say, "Okay, it's today, it doesn't seem like my best day right now, but if you want." shed some positive light on this again, maybe positive psychology comes into play again and you say, okay, the day has potential around you to unfold, exactly, and positive psychology actually has exercises ready for you to do it and which Hannah Hannah are you?

Now you are telling us about one of my favorite interventions, so positive psychology interventions. You say one of my favorite interventions is really the optimism regulator because yeah, it's mostly about whether you're not in a good mood or whether you're feeling like everything. It's gray and everything is somehow so depressed so of course you can keep it up, it's up to everyone or if you say no, I want to see the world a little more colorful and a little more colorful and a little more positive so optimism helps. First display of the optimism control, either adjust the volume like on the stereo system if you turn it up more, as it is louder, so the optimism control, if you continue to turn it up, you are now more optimistic.

It's not much less optimistic or For me, since I still work in radio, for me it's a controller that I push up, but more of a slider because that's what my mixer looks like and yours too, and we have it in Berlin at the German Society for Positive Psychology when I learned. the intervention when you do that and our psychologist said it and now you just go through the room and look at the room and I thought, okay, again an exercise like that is called going around the room, yes, but after the group dynamics it is also the of the beautiful story and put people into action but of course I got up of course I didn't see anything in this room so what did you see we all said that we did see a room that says and Everything is the idea that explains Optimism, each one does it for themselves itself to the extent that it is consistent with them.

Talk about the rule of optimism. Now go through this room again, Jutta, I'm an emotional person, but I wouldn't be. In favor of that I thought it was possible but suddenly I saw that there was an orange painting hanging on the wall that I had not seen before. Suddenly I saw that there was aflower back there that I hadn't seen before. There was a basket of apples that I hadn't seen before and that was really exciting because it's a very simple intervention, so it was presented beforehand, you push this slider up and the slider says optimism, and then I thought to myself, it's well, Lucky shot Lucky, I'm a practitioner because we have to make things work and of course I like to try the things I tell myself, of course I like to try them on myself. afternoon lecture at 4 p.m. in a small German town, I won't say which federal state it was in or like this.

In any case, a small town means this small town, it was raining, it was very gray, it was. It was not nice and also there was a small town, so in the competition our town should be more beautiful, this small town probably will not apply because it is not. It's just not very nice, so I still had two. My conference was hours away and now I was thinking about football, slowly, a little, with a little joy, a little optimism, but it can't be gray either. This state of mind is logically transferred to the listeners in the. conferences and then I turned up the optimism regulator for me personally, my optimism rules that found that they worked, finally I didn't have it anymore, somehow it sounds like that, even when I talk to myself, I'm looking for this book somehow, but suddenly I no longer saw all the stores closed.

There were a lot of them in the pedestrian zone, which was really depressing. I suddenly focused on which stores were open. Suddenly I not only saw the. gray walls of these blocks, but I saw that up there the copper roof of the church was obviously rebuilt, I suddenly thought and that's the good thing about positive ideology, just giving more space to the positive without ignoring the negative. of being happy, it's a contrasting experience, but just giving more space to the positive worked, great, yes, you gave an inspiring talk, I still remember how it was evaluated, I know it was also about the theme of flourishing, of achieving.

I started with attitude and commitment, how people can flourish. I got a 1.7 for content and a 1.4 for performance, if you look at all the distribution professionals then you have to be ashamed of me, I think it worked, that makes me think. that there is something like that So you've already told some examples where you were able to give someone a nice boost so that he or she found a new way, looked back and said wow, I did it, I was! Being able to support someone, I'm super proud of that because I actually contributed very little, but it had such an incredible impact on the other person and it has nothing to do with personal development but simply has to do with the fact that person did it. turned into a great project.

I was so fascinated that it was at the beginning of Corona, that was a company that serves as an example for you, they were companies and at the beginning of Corona you can see because all the customer events always occurred. personally completely disappeared and in their company there was also a medium-sized company 120 Employees in agricultural machinery technology, that is, large tractors, combine harvesters, all the vans, it is very, very exciting and right at the beginning of Corona I I launched an online format for my clients, a live broadcast and 5 Thursdays in a row with ideas and impulses of how to look good the crisis can come or how you can get through the crisis well and I suggested the idea of ​​a digital client event and it was not just a small impulse, but which created quite a stir, this manager said okay, customer events are not in the Right now, you can find the city good, you can find it bad, but the question is much more, what do I do with it? has launched a digital event for customers, it was officially called an online pasture demonstration for all of us who, like us, are not so interested in the agricultural topic.

So the online grassland demo means it was the world's largest online live harvest. With this little boost you can also do something digitally. We wrote to 1,400 customers with this online pasture demo, so we mowed with large tractors and combines in a beautiful, lush meadow at the foot of the Bavarian Alps. Sky Sports from different perspectives with a drone over it with different camera perspectives, that's how they staged these agricultural machines and that's what I saw on the live broadcast, it was gigantic. Of the 1,400 expected customers, more than 4,000 were there live. All the farmers who followed this broadcast at home with their notebooks on their knees, 4000 were there, they were all sent something to eat and drink, which was sent to them in advance, from the live broadcast, while it was still in development the event.

The first country ordered their tractor, they ordered it and then they bought it, then the business was found and the manager said something nice to me because for me that's always what it's about when we talk about the topic, for example, of inspiring customers. It is always about first from the employee to the fan, then from the customer to the fan, because first from the employee to the fan, therefore, first the task of a manager is to make the employee a fan of his own company, his own product and these employees, who are then fans of their own company that has a good commitment to the products and services that can identify well with the company because they are highly appreciated and perhaps can also feel after positive songs, which in turn can inspire your customers a thousand times better because they have a completely different charisma and the beautiful thing the manager tells me, Paul said, my team is so overwhelmed by the feedback from these customers that they have been running twice as fast since then, that's good , no, if we remember these heliotropic effects so that people flourish.

In the presence of the positive we feel attracted to everything. We are energized by what gives us life, we are attracted to optimism, we are attracted to positive things and they were so amazed by these employees that the thing actually worked and probably also the brainchild of their manager who then presented it to the entire company. industry. The industry has blazed a trail that didn't exist before and that's why customers flourished, so employees and managers naturally flourished and that's why employees flourished, so a gigantic example remains It gives me great joy today when I'm allowed tell it.

That's where we stop now, as long as everything is said, because everything is not yet said, what is not yet said, why not. Of course, that's one aspect that's not very exciting for this ongoing positive leadership model like the one we have now. But what do I bring to this, for example, that I can experience positive emotions and relationships, but what do I bring as a manager because my employees are allowed to experience positive emotions, get appreciation, recognition that work can also be fun, I said to the framework conditions that in my case something like joy or fun or even a certain lightness can arise, please go further, these are the Who, ultimately, make customers prosper and who, ultimately, make a company have success, it is always the employees.

What do I add to this as a manager? So that my employees can truly live out their strengths, managers know what their employees do. ' Have you ever asked the employees? Have you ever observed them? They have already made my strengths with a high level of reliability, for example, they also prefer to ask employees what drives them, what they are. Is that what you would like to experience and what is it that costs you energy when you have to repress it? And that's the beautiful thing about positive leadership. Positive leadership is not a matter of adaptation but of adjustment.

It happens very often. In companies where employees are hired, there is a vacancy. Employees are hired and they bring with them an incredible amount of talent, an incredible amount of strengths, personal strengths and then I think one or two people can confirm that, so sometimes it happens. Unfortunately something that always hurts my soul, so let's go and in the interest of the company, since we want to do good for the company, but the employees don't make us very happy and in the end we don't do it ourselves either. Then we go and try to bend the employee until he fits this position and that's interesting because in 2011 there was a big Gallup study and not the one we already have in our ears, that is, internal layoffs and so on, but in 2011 there were a gallop study that changed the mindset collected by managers and positive leather is not a yes then it is said to have to do with attitude so I make sure my employees are happy.

The appreciation is very personal anyway, the mentality of the managers who were surveyed was a global study on how many were the 100,000 respondents, I think it is really an advertisement, many from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, when you do surveys, I think you do studies of up to 500 to 1000 respondents, so I would have to take a look, but there were more. 100,000 managers from 187 countries around the world and found that there is a huge misunderstanding among many managers when it comes to dealing with employees, and the majority of respondents did not. Managers said yes, we want to agree with this premise that the greatest room to improve each person's performance is in their greatest weaknesses aha, that's why a large part of the managers said yes, I agree with the premise of the thesis that the greatest room to improve performance of each person lies in their weaknesses, the biggest weaknesses, so now I have thought about it, when I was a good manager, I also wanted to say good, so please no manager attack leadership things, that is very important, so managers really have a lot of hats on and I really don't.

I have to say that I don't envy one or the other, but now I'm like that good manager who says that my setup that has the most room for improvement in performance as an employee is his biggest weakness, so I'll probably try to figure out my employee's. weaknesses how to develop it based on its weaknesses and then use it where it fits now if I have the mindset and here it is not like that either or but if I also have my set, there is a lot of room to improve each person's performance lies in their strengths, so I try to discover the strengths of my employee, develop them based on those strengths and place them in a position in the company where exactly this strength is needed, that seems very understandable to me and is not a question of It is not a question of adaptation, but of the adequacy of everything you have said in the last few minutes, that is, before this Gallup study.

This thought can also be wonderfully translated into personal relationships. You also like to observe your partner's weaknesses and I once heard something really. It's nice that a smart woman said something like this: She looks at the three things that attract you to your husband. What bothers me the most is that I decide to like these things and then I draw a line under them and then I thought wow, that takes a lot of willpower, but I thought that was incredibly clever because that's basically what you just said about the things. weaknesses and the strengths and if you pay more attention to what you love about the person, what you get and then in 3:1 if you look at If you do it that way, you have three good things to one negative, then maybe you already have balanced.

I think it's also good to take this from conversation and apply this same principle to personal relationships. much happier yourself, much happier. Wonderful and beautiful image. Give more space to the positive outlook that connects us now. One of our favorite psychologists also two conversations on my podcast with definitely listen to him a great man who then also said that associations increase. the joys of your partner or rather the joys of your partners I also found a very nice mega nice phrase that leads me to my final question Paul now you are getting scared a question that I always ask at the end of course I would also like to ask you what happiness is for you personally these are the questions that like to bring pearls to the foreheads of the interviewees I know, I know you So, could it be that for me happiness always has a lot to do with gratitude, so it's not really a?

Very nice thought at the beginning of our conversation, the topic of gratitude starts quite quickly, it has a lot to do with gratitude, so the applause, for example. For me it is also a way that makes me happy because I am grateful when I receive applause after the lecture or, like just before in the workshop, when you did a good workshop for 4 hours in which the participants just sat there after the last word and you say "So we're done again", so you can leave now, but the People just don't want to go out anymore because they liked it because they feel good because there was a great atmosphere.

I am incredibly grateful and I am also very happy. Being happy means that for me we also take on challenges. For me, oh God, you are doing this, it is another project, although they already have a project running in the background, but when I achieve it, when I master the challenge, then I feel happy. So now I made it as it is. the difference between joyand fun, so fun is a very fleeting thing once you're on the roller coaster, up and down, that's it and five minutes later you're already looking for the next stop, but the joy is when you actually have one.

You forced yourself to climb a mountain, never climbed it, and then you did it and came down again. Personally, I think that's very important in this photo. I'm grateful that that makes me happy and I already have. I told other people that makes me incredibly happy and that's where I'm all the work Martin Buber, the Israeli Jewish religious philosopher of the highest area, man becomes you for me, so man becomes you again for me , if this phrase was made for someone, then probably for me like I need other people. I need this mirror, I need this feedback, the only way to self-knowledge is through reflection, wonderful, thank you very much for this beautiful conversation, dear Paul, I had a lot of fun, thank you.

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