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, so anyway i'm sitting here at the broken skull ranch in south texas and i'm talking to one of my all time favorites, as i already said in my opening segment. talking to the

american

dream

dusty

rhodes

the last time i talked to

dusty

rose i was in pleasanton texas at the super walmart my phone rings and i looked down and there was dusty and dusty never calls me but something had happened and we ended up filming this In the parking lot for about 45 minutes we reserved three territories and had a good time.

She said: Hello friend, we have to do the program. So Dusty is on the other end of the line. Dusty, it's good to have you on the show. How are you? I agree. It's you, you know Walmart, I don't know, I called you, I love you, I always have, I mean, I have singer friends, I have about 10 finger friends and that's it, man, and if I see her talking to you , you know. It doesn't matter, I know that if I called you and needed something, you would be there, so I'm just one of them. Dave said he was going to call him and we did because there was a lot going on and, you know. hunting season I was thinking about you, yeah, great, you know what I started talking about when I started doing this show.

You know I called you. You were the first ones I called. I said: Hey man, how about you know you were coming? the show we can talk about promotions, talk about business, talk damn man, all this money, yeah, but I know, but look, that was like you said. I had to pay some dues first, get going a little, and then call you back so we can now. have a deeper and more complete conversation like we always do, let's talk about deer season for a second because while we were talking I think you were planning a hunting trip.

I'm here in South Texas. It's been very green here that weather. It's been hot, everything is so green that they don't really get to any corn, so I don't see any action. Have you been able to go out into the woods and hunt? Yes, almost every weekend, I go to work. county in Sylvester, South Georgia, on the farm there, you know, I have a couple of friends, three or four friends there that you know we did, that's all the hunting in this 640 acre section or so and It's been overrun by uh, with bucks and the biggest georgia buck was killed last year in Worth County and, um, so there's a lot of money and you know, a lot of females and letting a lot of them walk around in eight groups, I wish I'd let him walk and phil seo hun stuff man, you know, you just say I'm going to go back and let him grow a year, you know, three years, wait, wait until he's four or something, I'm okay and then, you know , and then the next, the next. weekend, if you know one of our hunting buddies takes his son-in-law there and you know they could send me a picture and I said man that looks like the deer I was talking about so why don't you remember that? that walk, yeah, yeah, always when you break down, when someone brings a friend, they always kill your dear man, you know what I mean, they say this, I said I wish I had it, but it's been good for me, Steve, that It's my side, my grandchildren and my and my children and my family right now and just coming out, it's just amazing for me to come out after 45 years, you know, last week we talked about me and you, November 14th it was 45 years in this business, how many dressing rooms do I have?

I've been in how many showers, how many times I've seen Murdock wake up next to me on Sixth Avenue, I mean, my God, it's just amazing, you know, when I come back and look where I've never been before. I never really had a job and I just entertained myself my whole life, so with the hunting you do is it something you grew up doing your whole life or was it something you learned years later because I know you were hitting the road as it was, There were several years that I came out of hunting and since I was on the road, Paul Orndorf when I went to the wcw, I'm sure you hired me for the job and then Paul ended up taking me back to the woods, but that's the way it is. deer hunting and the outdoors, a lifelong passion for you, yeah, I've always enjoyed it because my dad got arrested, so you know, when we left Boston we went to San Antonio Air Force Base Randolph and, you know, and then even south going towards your valley my grandmother and my grandfather had some properties there and I remember I was very young and I didn't like it I didn't like getting up in the morning and I and I didn't like sitting down there, I think it was probably about seven eight years, although I was in minor league baseball and all that and South Texas football, so I would go there with him and he would give me a 30 30 no reach and you know. and he was trying to force me, not force me, he just wanted me to be with him, you know, I mean, and I would do it and I would sit there and then I was a man and a long time passed and then it wasn't like that anymore. until probably the '90s when the Eric Bishop debacle and everything that happened in WCW and I ended up, you know, being irrelevant as far as having to work every day, so I started over, man, and then Dustin uh my oldest son uh goldust he only hunts with me and cody the prince of pro wrestling as we call him don't you know it has nothing to do with that he would go if I asked him but when I got back to Steve, when I jumped from new to the hunting scene, it was like I missed it, but I didn't really know and I had to learn everything, there's an art to it, I mean, you just can't go out and, uh, I.

I've always been a rifle carrier and I've always gone out and shot, but when I got back into it and you really know from me if I'm in a blind spot and you know I'm talking to you on the phone it's because just being out there and that peace of mind because after 45 years I discovered that peace of mind is the most important thing, it eclipses money above shadows, everything else, because if you took all the knives that I have in my back and that have been said so far. The years and all the stories I had to tell people to get them to do something I wanted to do and you put it all together, it's just that I just wanted a little peace of mind here before I got there. uh, too late, when I was 60, you hit the nail on the head, I mean, I'm sure you know that when you get out, it would be great to come back with a lot of money, that's wonderful, but most of the time you don't do it just because it's just simply hunting and the point I'm getting at is just being in the woods enjoying the peace and quiet of being in the middle of nowhere watching mother nature and seeing how things happen, it's not necessarily always, it's never tried to kill that goes with it if you're lucky enough to come across something you want to drink, but I just enjoy the peace and quiet and being able to just take a deep breath of fresh air and just relax and take in as much as you can.

I know whatever's going on in life and before it started, before I brought you Dusty, I always knew, every time we talked on the phone, I always wanted to talk to you about promotions because every once in a while. Then someone will create a promotion list. I don't know who the best conversationalists were. Well, you're always on everyone's list and if you're not you're on someone's list and they can't be distinguished from a hole in the ground. Promos I played the hard times promo in my opening segment and you have so many memorable promos throughout your career.

Let's spend a little time specifically talking about that. What was your approach to creating your promotional style? I mean your cadence. rhythm in the way you talk, I mean you, you were born with a little lisp, certain dust and a lot of drive, yeah, handicapped or whatever, but I know, but that didn't work for you because I mean the way where you put your words together I mean I was attracted to you know you're a little older than me you're the generation before me so I grew up watching you and listening to you talk and the emotions were like man of course I just loved what you stood for you were the working man and all these years later I do this podcast for the working man, but I was drawn to what you were saying because I know you knew you meant what you were saying, but then many times and I saw you, you know what you know in the carolinas with the caucus and then you know when you went to vince a lot of those front row promos and the stuff you were spitting out was just pure audio gold and it was just like hello man If I had the money and I was there I'll buy a ticket to see this cat Russell.

Were you always a talented conversationalist? I think it was a talent and being able to have a vision of what I wanted to say spontaneously, no. No, come on, it's like when you've done your movie work, you know, and all the things you've done are scripts and now I teach my kids development with wcw, I teach them in the acting class that I teach, that's it. fine and elegant, but no matter what they hand you, if the skill has to come out of your mouth, it has to be you. I grew up on Sundays in the black Baptist church we went to in Bastrop, Texas, with my dad when he.

I would go there to send it and visit uh tc live. We were doing plumbing with him and I would sneak to that church just like you read about in the movies and I would hear them sing and I would hear the gospel and I heard Him speak and I grew up in that neighborhood where, you know, Dominic's black neighborhood and the Latino neighborhood, so I finally realized that this wasn't some replay that popped into my head or whatever it's called. What I got from this from outer space somewhere is that the wrestling part was cool, the tent in the ring is cool because it got a blank canvas.

He had a chance with a blank canvas when you go out and paint in 20 minutes or an hour, whatever, no matter how much you go, you are painting your own portrait, whether they will buy it or not, but I understand from an early age that the old people will see you the Friday night and I'm going to kick your ass in Orlando Kevin Sullivan and I'm going to beat you up and that's at eight o'clock and don't forget to buy your tickets at Walmart, well, that's great, excellent man, but you know, The common man does not want to listen.

That man wanted to hear what he had to say about current events mixed with the way he told it and the way he told the story and yes, they knew he was going to be in Orlando, he didn't have to tell them that. he was. He would be in Orlando, I didn't have to tell them that he was going to fight Kevin Sullivan or whoever he was or the Korean assassin, so I took that opportunity to spontaneously tell them how I was feeling at that moment. That day in the morning and with difficult times, the promotion was very simple.

He was sitting in the control room. Jj Dillon was my assistant at the time. He was sitting below me and I was sitting in the control room doing the program, booking the program and also storing it. the show also starred tbs 605 for so many years and it's okay, you're awake like this, jj turned around to jump, I took off my headphones, walked out onto the set as he walked through the curtain, I knew it. It was the time when our country was going through difficult times, but I didn't give a single thought to this interview until it came out of my mouth, not a single thought until that interview came out of my mouth and became as famous as what the wind gone, but You just, uh, I mean, I've never really, uh, seen, you know, countless of your promos when I was watching them back in the day, uh, you know, at the uh super station in the heyday or just taking something out. on youtube I never saw a mistake, a tic, a problem, you know, you always seem to flow, yeah, uh, all of those were just improvised, spontaneous or ever no, no, they weren't, they didn't, let's see what they did. as you know yourself because you created a character that there is nothing like it in our modern era, so we say in the '70s, where the highway there and then they went to the Hulkamania area and then and then they went to the Austin area. and now they go to the dinner area, I left a lot of people in the middle, left Rocket out, left a lot of people, but that was the area that dominates, uh, dominates our outlook on business, says no, there is no other mistakes, they were the king of those eras, I mean, as you went through different eras, that's how it flowed, we're going to talk about superstar and recovery, but really that was the power of the different areas that I just name, so that being said, you also had that opportunity. go out and say once they let you go and you have it in your mind that's what I'm going to do whether they like it or not and it becomes real so that the audience believes it's real, they believe what they were saying and I wanted them to think one thing: yes If you were a lawyer you could sit down and meet me at a fancy restaurant, if you were a black person you could sit me down and invite me and I would eat in your living room, if you were white I would.

Do this in your living room. I would play with your children. I was a cowboy so I tried to cover one thing and Steve always remembers this and I try to teach this too. If I sell I want everyone to sell in the audience if I come back I want everyone to come back if I'm bleeding I want them bleeding if I win they win if I lose they lose once you grasp that whole concept of our industry that's when you become an agentthat creative style to your work was that you just said hey, this would be great or this is how it happened to you uh in no way do I compare myself to recently but he once said that he shook when he was singing I read an article a long time ago and he he said it just comes, it just felt right, it just felt like something was going to happen and with me it just felt spontaneous, it just felt right to me and it just set me apart from the cookie cutter guys we've all seen in this industry who don't honk their horns.

It's a big deal because I would, but I'll tell you this was my thought and you don't have, you probably don't agree with it or you are or it doesn't matter because he did it to me, like I said in my living room and I saw you. with Bret Hart and I remember that when you were bleeding and he had you in the hole and you never gave up and that was the end, you finally got out and the longer you were in it the longer the facial was that night, I said Steve Austin just to become an incredible mega superstar and it was because of the cell and then I take Young and Cody, since his career just took off a little bit and he's hanging around with his brother, but I remember every PPV during that time when he was very small. in school and high school and all that and he would see it and when you finally turned it on at the selling end, not at the breaking glass, not at the driving end of the truck, when you were selling, he said he would do it.

He turned to me and said now this is wrestling, he always said that because he was a great student of it, so go back and name the ones I've talked about over the decades, yeah, Hogan wasn't a great Hogan. no medium could work well, very well, but what he did well for a big guy he sold, yes, he sold and people thought he was hurt, he brought them with him and you come back, you go with John currently, yes, and John sells, he sells. the product and he the product is this arm is hurt I'm selling this motherfucker so man it's just for me it's easy but it's not easy for everyone.

I see these kids fight between these 80 kids and us. We have more to come and we do it, all the athletes and all the Olympic guys and all the soccer players come to tryouts and they can't even, they have no idea, they don't understand, did you ever see me again? In the past, I mean, because in the past, when I, you know, coming in, I thought everyone wanted to be a professional wrestler, probably like you and the guys you ran with thought it was the coolest thing in the world. world and you know, with all the territories, everyone had a different fighting school somewhere and I never thought it would ever narrow down to where now there is a world class center that is training most of the people who will be the future of the industry here will move forward, you know, as long as it lasts, which apparently is good, things have changed a lot when you have these people there dusty, uh, because I saw you in the ring and you had a unique relationship with the people there .

There have been many people who overcame themselves in a big way like you, but the way you looked at people to attract them, maybe wave a little, but sometimes not acknowledge them because it was not the time to do so. acknowledge them so many times that some of these young cats want to go with people and it's like you haven't earned that respect yet, you can't go there yet, how long does it take you to develop such a natural attitude? relationship or relationship a personal relationship with people who were watching on television or with the people who packed the arenas when they were selling throughout your career, how much of a process was it for you to actually relate to those people?

Don't laugh and sustainable, you should answer here. I'll go back to what I told you before, man, just very simple, the first exchange, yeah, my instinct was I wanted people to know it hurt, I wanted them to form an opinion about them. I'm glad he's hurt or they're not glad he's hurt. Are all the poor babies hurt? I wanted to get an opinion, so I didn't know at the time of the question you asked if that was what it was. forming well, but it will just be, but it became once you become a star, look people, there are so many people that we forget this that have not been where you have been, have not stood there and heard this roar so loud and chatting your name and that glass. breaking and you're standing there and you're in the middle of it in a calm storm and you have that look on your face that says I'm going to climb to the top rope and I'm going to hold one finger up and this place is going to go crazy I'm going to rock my butt in the flip flops and fly and raise that elbow without hitting superstar billy graham in the garden I just raised it and when I raised my elbow it became like wow and it's like a drug and people don't understand that even writers and writers cheap and all this garbage they don't understand that our business is like a drug once you inhale it, once you take it and once you become a great man.

Addicted gamer like you and me, we are addicted to this drug, it will never get out of your system, no matter what it is, we live to entertain, but we live for that time when the pop is so strong that money doesn't matter. The money doesn't matter, the peace of mind now is that the pop is so loud and knowing that this weekend, because of what you did there, you will be sitting in a hideout without a gun, sitting there all the time watching and watching life transpire in front of you to see how it happens and that's philosophizing right now, I'm making the agreement and philosophizing about two different things, but that's what it's about and, you know, if people don't need to understand it, I just need to enjoy it, it will always remain the same. which is, but people make comments: I made a brand like this or not, you made a brand like this or not, Hogan made a brand like this or it's not considered to make the market look good or It's not that, everyone The rest are big players that aren't playing rock, that's not knocking superstar Billy Graham, that's not knocking modern day uh uh cm punk, I went through all the areas here, but they're big players in your movie, friend, and me.

I'm sorry, but that's how it is. You can follow Dusty on Twitter at WWE Dusty Road. You're listening to another classic episode of the Steve Austin show only in podcast one. Check it. Car lovers. Car waxes have really come a long way. Last year, McGuire's introduced their hybrid ceramic spray wax with this bright blue bottle. Not to be missed. Its advanced sio2 hybrid technology provides ceramic wax protection and durability far beyond traditional wax and is incredibly easy to use, simply wash your car with McGuire Hybrid Ceramic Spray. Spray wax then simply rinse for extreme water action - no scrubbing, no curing, no polishing and best of all, no mess.

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american

dream

dusty road in 2010, you did an interview and I read, you know, you said, you know, today, you know, the events are more about, you know, We are putting smiles on people's faces and I.

I think that's true, but you also said that you said in the past that it was more about blood, guts and glory, uh, yeah, it was a completely different environment back then, let's go back, let's go back to, you know, that period. back in the '80s, uh, in the carolinas, when crockett still owned national wrestling last time, uh, yeah, that was some of that when I do cardio to this day, if I want to watch it while I was talking to a guest on a show the other day when Go to my garage and do cardio.

If I'm going to include wrestling, nine times out of ten it's going to be NWA stuff from Crockett's promotions in there, when you guys are running hard, I mean you know they had Ivan Nikita Cole out. you had arnold, she had players, the steamboat man with the hands of stone, ronnie garvin, midnight rock and roll, voice all those guys, magnum ta uh, and you guys are running some heavy lifting angles and Damn they had some baby faces but they had a ton of hot heels and you gotta be hot to spend some money and you guys made sure to have hot heels if the audience doesn't want to see you meet someone if they ain't mad With which?

Hell, I mean, you know, okay, if Roy pulled the trigger and it's on the first show and someone doesn't come and beat up Dale, then I'm not going to get mad at anyone until Roy catches them at the end, so if someone comes. and he pushes dale evans into the dirt pit at the end of the and at the end of that 30 minute show or whatever, he's going to beat someone up, roy is going to kick someone's ass, john wayne, he's going to go kick someone's ass stephen go kick someone there and I just wanted to clarify that two of you just mentioned something about having a guest there when I opened this uh uh modcast mudcast podcast polecat is I was saying yeah now you have the main event, all you have.

I had someone on this show who had ever done anything in business. He could save me and me a lot better, even if he was just joking about it. That's how it is, that's how I get everyone out of my head, so now, but no. I think I just said that anyway but but now but now is that was the one you just called him was uh was the was woody harrison and the and the killer was uh was you know, the taxi was uh uh uh you know, I want that you know my little friend that was that and that was, come on, that's what we were dealing with with that man and it became uh it became uh consistent with what was happening in the you know in the Universe, I mean, I was lucky to being a part of that era because it was a really fun era because it was fun for me to watch.

I wanted to jump across the screen and beat some of these guys. I remember yes. You know when Blair was working Nikita Koloff in a cage and the match was over? Ivan Koloff came down, jumps in style, they're making another team, the chef comes to keep the cage door closed, so yeah, no one can get in. that and then all of a sudden you come down, help clear the ring, start dropping bionic elbows, help ric flair and the flares start telling you something and I'll be damned if our arnon and oli anderson jump your ass from behind. then he jumps and they triple team you and they break down and I'll tell you you can look at the crowd and of course this was back in that golden era of pro wrestling when it was real bro you know what I'm saying yeah.

They're all standing, they're looking at him and you're selling your ass and he's talking about man, maybe they have to cut off your genetic leg to expose that leg and see the damage and you were selling it and more people. we were angrier than me hey yeah but let's see but there you go here's the thing we go back to the word sale again I mean we jump we jump back in there and uh the layman uh uh , fan, you know, you can. It's like we understand it a little bit, but we really understand it and that that was what was going with you when you were in the hole and you refused, I mean, it was the cell from that moment made by Steve Austin, I mean, it was just this.

The guy won't stop or give up for anything, so back to that, where they broke, they broke their leg, remember what we used to call it? We had a saying in the past, white heat, well, white heat was when someone got broken up with. My leg and the sand would get cold, quiet, yes that roar would stop and you would look outside and it would last for about 20 seconds, yes, and then, and then, at the moment they were absorbing what they had just seen and that heat white began to accumulate. and that's what we called hey rube, that's what we said, they're getting ready to be a riot here, because once they realize that John, that's gone to shit, man and these guys are still standing there , it was like suspended in At that time it was like an era where everything was in slow motion, uh, until they decided that now the roar turns and when the roar came here, they came and as they came, we would eventually return a little worn out and you know, the guys would do it. putting the heels back on I would go back and say wow man, I mean you know what that was, it was amazing, but you can't do that nowadays because ofmyth, that's difficult.

What happens because they pushed you? If the position I'm in is one thing, it's another when you were as powerful as me you were going to have distractors, so the murder was never destructive, he was all that was there. for me, but he went his own way and I went my own way, so at that time, when you went your own way, was when you went to the wrestling championship in Florida to work for Eddie Graham, yeah, yeah, I came back there, that's where I'm going and we had been there in '69. uh, you weren't the American dream, but you didn't know the American dream was born.

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Visit geico.com for more information. I want to ask you about Eddie Graham because I obviously never had the opportunity to work for Eddie Graham, but I've heard a lot about this guy in terms of how smart he is. He was in the business and he was just a genius or an expert at it and he was a great finalist. What was it about Eddie Graham that made him so great? Timing and timing may not mean much to many people, but timing knowing when, what to do, at what moment, your timing was impeccable, you've thought about timing for the fan, you could say timing, timing, timing , they're not ready yet, I said, man, I want to come in and kick this guy's ass, you beat me.

Last week, Eddie said no, there's something formal here, they're going to introduce you, you're going to come in, uh, they're going to ring a bell and you're going to start a game, you're not there. I'm going to go and jump because you got hit, you're going to build this until the time is right, so I'm going to stick with Gordon Soli and say well, the American dream as a general thing, I wanted all the kids. that everyone believes in this American dream, it's not like I personally was the American dream and when I said it it became popular like wildfire, it's like the things that you would say and I and then when I said it it became popular because I was against who gary hart is the korean killer, right, united states vs. korean killer, it was in Florida and it just blew up and he walked me through that whole thing to where everything was with him, if you were an hour into the 55th minute, This is what you did, this is what I got down at 55 minutes and if I didn't do it at 55 minutes, he would touch my butt when he came back, put me down and say, "You can do it, you'll never succeed if you don't keep going." these rules." He said there are times when the rules will change because people will change, right, he said, but they didn't change tonight and he knew they wouldn't.

Your moment was a bad moment and he could think about endings. Vince senior would call him in the finals. right, they would call him don orange I would call him bob geigel I would call him sam mushnik I would call him and say you know I have

steve

austin

and dick murdock on uh in uh st louis this friday night and you know it's a deadline hour for the missouri state champion and, uh, what do you think, man, you know, and uh, man, he would pluck his eyebrows, sit down for like 30 minutes and then you'd have it if it was a 30-minute game from the minute 1 to The 30th minute would be full of time and what was going to happen if I took you.

He was a great writer. Incredible. He soaked up all this knowledge as he guided you, was he there? He just took you under his wing for some reason. He liked what he saw in you in the future and you did. He mentored everyone. Yeah, he mentioned a lot of guys, but you know yourself with Vince. jr people love money the people in power that are your bosses they love money man right I love money okay they were making money he knew I was the money maker right but here's a story that people You don't know because you don't know who I'm talking about who are the youngest kids, Dr.

Jerry Graham and Eddie Graham, they were the biggest things in New York City as a team in the '60s, it was phenomenal how old they were and Dr. Jerry Graham was a big burly blonde. guy like me who shook his butt i saw him on tape i got a lot of stuff from him from his moves and everything when you go back and say where did this come from is this a cross between him and Thunderbolt Patterson yeah it all came from there so uh dr. jerry and eddie were very close and they became teachers of alcoholics and I mean real alcoholics may he rest in peace uh you know eddie but the bottom line was when he caught me he saw this guy who didn't look like a bodybuilder who had a beer gut who had blonde hair and an afro wig in the '70s, almost not a wig but real hair, yeah, you know, flowing everywhere and he could talk like a black man and talk like an evangelist and talk to them in the building like dr. jerry graham did it and he identified with me through that and, of course, may God rest his soul too, my grandson, his son was a smaller guy, a tremendous hand in the ring, a great worker and a very dear friend, but the bottom line was that I was Eddie's fighting son.

Yes, Mike was his son, but I became Eddie's unspoken word: he was Eddie Graham's fighting son. It was his doctor, Jerry Graham, in a new era and a younger farm. So Mike Graham was instrumental in helping me when he was in WCW, yeah. You know, we were talking about the Florida days and there was a territory that I never got to work in but heard a lot about. So how did the American dream come about? Gary Hart in Pakistan, the Korean assassin, yeah, he was very attractive and Eddie knew that they were attractive and I was. he went on television and 74 alone with garden, who was a dean at the time and those were the only televisions that we had three different hours of television on the weekends.

Tbs was preparing to become a big star and I said, you know, we all have To have that American dream we have to get there and we have to find it and in the interview it had nothing to do with the game I just said it, yeah, and I said the American dream is important, man, and sometimes I feel like that American. Dream I'm carrying it for all of you, the rest is like the crowd doing one word things we have now, who would have thought you could just change the crowd and say yes, yes, yes, yes, why, how right What do I mean? about that, back then it was just something that they just picked it up, the audience, the universe picked it up and they made it huge, then the newspapers picked it up, then people started talking about it and then I was against it, uh.

Korean killer and then how did he become that baby face? How did that deal become? It was simple we talked about the big promotions and the problem was the biggest promotion the best firmware I said two lines I love you that was my favorite best promotion if you ever get a youtube where you can find it you can't yeah Orlando yeah it was for Orlando . I had two minutes for a minute, 50 something seconds, I looked at the garden, I looked at the camera, I didn't say anything and Orlando. I had done I had turned baby please the week before it was me and the killer everyone knew where I was but I totally said it and I looked at them I looked at the camera and I said with about three or four seconds left of said Orlando I I love you you couldn't come within five miles of that building at six o'clock, Orlando, I love you, do you know why?

Because they thought I was one of them. I was sitting there with them and they took me to the dance and, by God, I'm leaving with him before we're done and yeah, I want to have you back on the show to talk about so much more. We covered a lot of ground just in general conversation, but where did you start, Dusty? It was in New York. city ​​there is no boston annex buffalo arena 45 years ago november 14 first game against lanny montana lenny montana and boston massachusetts must be 180 now but you and you and dickie murdock were the texas outlaws immediately kansas city not kansas city first uh so I left there and went to uh dallas, danny fletcher's bulldog, daddy promises, uh, namely, Dusty Rhodes and uh Fritz, uh, they put me on top right away with him, he had something, which out, uh, the swallow was there and Gary Hart in the army and all that great time was.

I didn't change that, but I continued back then because back then you went to 28 different territories, yeah, so I went to Kansas City and said you needed some seasoning. Fred said and I went there to Kansas City and all the officers came back. Those days were in the old hotels downtown, in the dilapidated hotel, still today you get your garden tickets at the dilapidated hotel where they just arrested Arnie Scholar for assault, so the bottom line was you walk into a hotel outside in a room, I heard this. I fly in the other room and there's a blind guy that I remember from when I went to the games with Frank Goodish that turned blue, that brother, Frank and I were going to save our money bill, hey, during the week from school throughout the... football season in west Texas and we saw this guy always in the ring with us, this bleach blonde there and he was a big Murdoc, we didn't know who he was and I looked in the other room and there he was, He came in in a group and said, listen, I'm going to make you two attack, this is Dick Murdock, this is Dusty Rhodes, he shook hands and the rest is history, a love story with Barn, what would you say?

Was your favorite promotion or favorite moment when it was all dusty? The 70s, yes, more than the 80s, why? Because you just got to the other one because it was so much fun and being on the road living hard and working hard, yeah, yeah, yeah, the 80s became work for me, right, it became stressful, it's a grind to be on top and be on the road, yeah, and not having my well, you know, I could have done a lot better with my family life, man, I was on the road too much when I wasn't on the road, my mind was on the road, yeah.

So, but the '70s were the most fun for you and sometimes when I look back, I mean some of my funniest days were when, you know, I started in Dallas in that year and a half I spent in Tennessee basically starving, but you know. Running down that road doing what I wanted to do with a bunch of badass veterans and asking questions yeah, and you know, learning the ropes, so you gotta come back, we gotta talk some more, I wanna talk to you guys about your days and uh, the wwf, you know, and in the nwa they bounce around some more specific things about Florida, but I appreciate you taking the time to come on the show.

You've always been one of my favorites and you know next time maybe we'll talk. A little bit about the booking process, your psychology, sure, maybe what you learned from Eddie Graham, some of your stuff mixed with the creative flair you brought to the booking situation when you had the book and that whole power play dynamic. . So anyway I've been telling you the American dream Dusty Rhodes. You can follow Dusty on Twitter at WWE Dustyroads. How are you interested in those Twitter things? Dusty. He's not a very good man. I'm not a big fan of social media, but I use it.

Stephanie. She'll call me and get mad for not using it, so I have to at least say, Hey, I talked to Seed today, so that'll give me like you know thousands and thousands of uh of yeah, I wouldn't know how he gets a hit there, but just I want to tell you that I appreciate it, I love coming back anytime and I love talking to you and I don't want to blow smoke up your ass, but you really are one of my favorite artists of all time because there's nothing better except me in the 70s There was nothing better than the things you did with Vince McMahon that I think revolutionized and saved WWE to what it is today, so that has to do with money. and that has to do with the passion and the love for what you were doing and we are friends and we are hunters and yes, if you are out there and you are a hunter and you can let one walk and it could grow next year, it doesn't need meat to that table or your family or you don't need to make benefits and chile for the house that moves, for which we carry chile every year to stay alive and it is tranquility for the forest of tranquility and uh without your past man uh you have no future so Hold on to it because that's all you're left with are your memories and Steve, I appreciate it and I know I could talk another four or five or six hours let's go down the road I know I know I know I've enjoyed the stories I love listening the stories I can sit here and be a fan and we open a can of audio will happen and with that being said, the American dream will go off into the sunset.

I'll be right back. I'll finish this conversation and talk about some things ahead of my next show. Dusty. Thank you so much. I'll see you later. Thank you. Boy, thanks for joining us for another classic episode of the Steve Austin show. Leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts and tell your friends to see more shows from Steve Austin. Visit podcastone.com, that's podcastone.com.