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but we start tonight hoping that everyone is okay on the east coast after that 4.8 magnitude earthquake in the New York tristate area plus the aftershock like about 20 minutes ago. If I didn't know any better, I'd expect Donald Trump to be calling. his lawyer to see if there was any damage to the Manhattan criminal court in the hopes that he can delay his impending hush money criminal trial that will begin in just 10 days, because nothing else Trump has tried has been able to stop this. The trial begins and, believe me, he has been trying desperately today. Trump went ahead with his latest Hail Mary PA message with the sole hope of buying more time before having to face a jury that could hold him accountable for his actions and make him the first president. criminal his legal team filed a 37-page motion asking Judge Juan Marón to recuse himself and that may sound familiar because they already tried it once before last year with a main factor being Marón's daughter's job as a democratic political consultant and to no one's surprise. most of this motion is also focused on her and Trump's lawyer starts using her name in the second sentence of the motion, but before we get to her final grievance session, let's remind everyone what happened the first time Trump tried this tactic that Marshon did.

He did not resign last year, but he showed that he took Trump's motion seriously in his decision to deny the motion. Marshon cited guidance he sought from the state court system's judicial ethics advisory committee, which wrote regarding Maron's daughter that this case does not involve either of them. the judge's relative or the relative's business, whether directly or indirectly, are not parties or probable Witnesses in the matter and neither of the parties or the Council before the judge are clients in the business, we see nothing in the investigation that suggests that the outcome of the case could have some effect on the judge's relative's business or any of his interests, so what has changed since then, according to Trump's lawyers, the main difference now is that Trump is the presumptive candidate Republican presidential candidate and, as such, Maron's daughter could see financial benefits from the events.

In Trump's trial, they claim he would create fundraising fodder for his Democratic clients, with his company then making money off of his work. They also claimed that since his last recusal request, Maron's daughter deleted one of her social media accounts that contained posts reflecting hostility. towards Trump and in some ways that would be grounds for Judge Marsha to recuse herself, we are now waiting for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office to file its response to Trump's recusal motion and ultimately we will see what does Judge Marshon do the second time on this issue, but as I've said that as the clock ticks down to April 15, Trump is looking for something to try to stop everything, including refiling previous motions to delay or maybe waiting for another earthquake to join me now," says Joyce Vance, a former lawyer and professor at the University of the United States. from Alabama Law School and MSNBC Legal Analyst and Gelani Cobb, Dean of the Columbia Journalism School, New Yorker Staff Writer and MSNBC Political Contributor, thank you both for being here, Joyce.

I'll let you start, what do you think the merits are? This motion I don't think ends up being meritorious, but I think it got to Joy's key point, which is that when the first recusal motion was filed, the judge took it seriously and didn't just follow the motions that actually went to a Ethics Committee and this is a resource that all federal and state judges have some type of advice from ethics experts who when a conflict issue arises they can go and get an opinion from the people whose job it is to study these issues, the judge.

He did it last time, he might even do it again here, but ultimately this decision should be something we see from him very quickly and I don't expect him to drop the case unless there's more here than meets the eye, you know, and just from a journalism point of view, um galani, you know we have to go through what I just did and we have to recite and you know it's a motion that has been properly presented, he has the right to do it according to the law, but we all know that, deep down, it is the same thing they tried with the fake Willis.

You know she's going to make money somehow because she's dating the guy who works with her. We know it's silly, but we have to follow the steps and just talk about it. That's because for me this falls into the how do you cover Trump's world? uh, professional diligence, yeah, uh, you know, even on the judicial side, certainly, on the journalism side, uh, and underneath that, you know, there's also a kind of recognition of what this is, which is, uh You know, to make an analogy with boxing, there was an old tactic that you sometimes see with boxers when you know they knew they were losing, which was just trying to tie up the opponent, tell them yeah, I'm a big fan. from boxing, you don't speak my language here, just keep going. hugging keep hugging the person until the bell rings and in this case the bell is the November elections, yeah, and the hope is that if you can throw enough things, enough obstacles, enough types of, you know, legal political motions, This will drag on. but I think we have to do it, and from the journalism side, we have to give the facts that are happening, yes, and also the context around them so that people have an idea of ​​why this is happening, why it is happening and Joce, I guess the question is.

How long does the judiciary have to do that properly? I mean, they have to take these motions, they have to accept them, they have to follow the motions, but is it possible because this is Trump's last attempt? He doesn't want this trial to happen. because clearly his interviewers are probably telling him that if he goes through this case, that he won't take a year, and then they find him guilty, then he will be a criminal and that will affect his ability to join the coalition of him to obtain independence. to vote for him there is a lot of evidence that people have said they will not vote for him if he is a criminal how long does the judiciary of our government have to continue with this?

At what point can you say this is frivolous? Yeah, I think any judge who wants to and who is paying attention appreciates that Trump is now in that desperate Last Stitch stage, often not meritorious motions, but I think it's hard for people when they

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Trump embrace it. this notion that judges have an obligation that has nothing to do with politics, they have an obligation to give every defendant, even and perhaps especially Donald Trump, the due process to which we are entitled, so this judge could having been within his rights not to listen. a second recusal motion, you know that when you file a recusal motion you can't keep filing it over and over again if you lose, you can file it on appeal if you're convicted, but the judge is being conscientious here because there are some new grounds, some additional circumstances and he'll take a hard look at it, but I think what's changing with most of the judiciary is that they're failing more quickly, they're not doing everything they can to give Donald Trump, you know, the benefit of every doubt.

He's a judge who seems like he's serious about getting this case to trial on time, but the other thing that's different about Jelani is that we're also talking about the judge's family, his daughter and Donald Trump are being very relentless with the The fact that he will continue to name this young woman who has nothing to do with this case, continue to criticize her job, what she does for a living and naming her, shaming her and honestly trying to make her a target, is a pattern repeated. He did it with Fonnie Willis, he did it with Leticia James, at a certain point we are talking about someone who is a danger to people.

Well, I think there's another kind of issue here, which is that every legitimate process for which he has been responsible. or anything that you don't like, you've made it look illegitimate or you've tried to paint it as illegitimate and the way you do that is to say you're being unfairly attacked, this is what happened in the Iowa caucuses in the 2016 election. This is what happened on January 6 in the 2020 elections and we have now seen it in the subsequent journalism of all institutions. Journalism is biased. You know, anything that came out that was unfavorable to him. Yes, and I think this is the last one.

One aspect of that we're seeing, but it's part of a very established pattern, and as we speak, I'll give you two historical footnotes. James Michael Curley 1946, mayor of Boston, ran for reelection while indicted and actually won served part of a prison sentence while in office and appointed someone else as caretaker and got out resumed mayoralty wow uh and 1912 Eugene Debs ran for president while arrested while behind bars he received about a million votes which was the highest any socialist candidate had ever received those were the only two examples I could think of when I was trying to rack my brain about what happens to political figures who have been indicted and are still running for office, yes, and So what's going on here?

Because it's a great question. Jo, I don't think a day will pass. I can't imagine, you know, that he'll actually be doing time, although I guess in theory he could, in this case, it would be a felony, um, what do you think the prospects are for Donald Trump joining this list so notorious and very brief that Galani has given us about historical figures who have served time and have also held public office? So look, I spent a lot of time as Prosecutor Joy, 25 years and one thing you learn is the dynamic changes after there has been a conviction, after a jury renders its decision that someone is guilty, the only thing left to consider in that moment is what the sentence should be and at that moment this kind of Gravity that Donald Trump has tried to wrap himself in, you know, I'm a political candidate, kind of a line that he uses that really falls and the judges just analyze issues related to conduct and the type of sentences imposed on others.

Defendants to be convicted under this provision this is a basic statute used by the Manhattan District Attorney. People go to prison when they are convicted of serious crimes under this statute and I think Donald Trump becomes the accused Trump, the convicted convicted felon at that time. You're no longer dressed as President Trump to hear newlywed Christian fundamentalist Marjorie Taylor Green say that the earthquake most of us felt on the East Coast was the result of God's wrath for our sins or maybe it was the result of Blockbuster Jobs report. This morning she showed that 303,000 new jobs were added in March instead of the 200,000 that were expected, that news left people in stitches.

Comfy Couch shook unemployment rate unexpectedly falls from 3.9%, which was a 2-year high, to 3.8%, immediate reaction in the market, uh Maria, I'm seeing the future moving a little higher and that's all I'm getting right now. I'm trying to get my rates, but there is more strength than expected in the surface report, we are seeing a market that is up but off the highs, okay, we are losing steam and we are losing steam fast, we are losing steam fast, now I'm Ali V MSNBC Chief Chief Correspondent and host of veli on MSNBC Christina runs again, it's literally fresh Enter the studio Christina Greer, political scientist and host of the Blackest Question podcast I've ever been on, and Susan Del Pero, Republican strategist and MSNBC political analyst, and she still allows herself to be called a Republican, so I love that Ali, you, were. sad, they were sad, yes, one point, you didn't play this role, but Maria actually said that the economy is strong, but is it too strong?

It is too strong? I mean, it is what it is, you know when, when you cover these things. months will be good, some months will be bad, the interesting thing is usually when you get a strong employment report, stocks go down because business owners think, you know, they're going to demand more wages and all that. It's very difficult to analyze this economy and find the systemically broken parts, yes, it's just a good economy, yes, and this is difficult for people who don't want it to be that way, so the question is, let's talk about politics now for the moment.

Democrats and Republicans for the Republicans what is the policy on this you can't say the economy is bad it's not like that you can't well you shouldn't let me rephrase you shouldn't but that won't stop you and you will say inflation and this is the part that is hurting the Democrats is that there is still a narrative that the economy is not strong and now we add that we are seeing certain things that do not fall into the inflation index like gasoline and housing costs that continue to go up and people feel it so the people still feel atougher economy even though they are doing better, but I think everything will pick up in a couple of months because the economy is so bad that people are going to be like Oh wait, we are all doing pretty well, we arrived today , okay, husband and I were driving today, uh, my husband, my brother and I were all in the car and as we were driving, all you see is the Biden.

Dollars are spent everywhere. You see infrastructure projects going from here, from Maryland to DC, it's Biden dollars that are spent. You can't go everywhere in an airport without seeing all the spending, so at some point it catches up because It's true that housing costs are still a problem and look at billionaires buying homes and then renting them out is kind of a problem, but housing cost and affordability are still a problem, right, but when we talk about the economy, The average American doesn't really know what the economy is, they go to the polls for pocketbook reasons, so my purchases are more expensive, right?

Is gas $4 versus $3? I know my rent is increasing, are my wages keeping up with these things? I think the problem with the Biden administration is the same as what we saw with the Obama administration. The work is being accomplished, the progress is there, but the articulation that all this infrastructure construction is there. I'm seeing all these new jobs. I did this, so you know you can't trust Pete Budaj to appear on Fox News anymore. He articulates your vision well and you need to give it a name. Remember Barack Obama's rediscovery of America. Back to work act.

I mean, nobody. I knew what it was, but instead of something that's simple, the New Deal, the Great Society, let's call it Trump, who said I did better or the S, like whether it's true or not, so Joe Biden and the allies of the. Associates and substitutes must be clear. and articulate what they've done, what they're doing, what they'll do, those three triumphant things and make it very clear when someone says I don't know, you know what they've done for me, you can, but here's the question because I'm a little obsessed. With this, the question of how much of what we experience as inflation is actually greed, how much of this is profit taking, how much of this is billionaires buying homes and renting them out.

SE, we've seen that all that's true and we've seen companies because last year there was a scandal about shoplifting um and all that BL and lo and behold, I mean, I think Costco came out at that time and said, " no no no". We're not seeing this now, everyone comes out and says we're not really seeing it, but you know they offset the costs because people were stealing things off the shelves when the prices go up once society gets used to the fact whether they like it or No. Whether or not, prices are going up, so prices are going up, so your local U shops at your local restaurant, their prices are going up because wages are going up, but everyone thinks prices are going up, so you can get out with yours, yes, no, but Here's the kicker: when the president released the ACT to reduce inflation, that translates to prices going down, prices not going down, not starting to go down, you actually have something wrong, except for the supply chain issues I put up.

Other than that, it's okay, but online part of the problem with the messages is that people expected that the prices, let me tell you one thing, are going up. The eggs are always rising. I have to play this because the price of U, my pillow has gone up because now you have to include a donation I have to play this Trump sound lar check out $25 Extravaganza multi-use two-pack my pillows only $25 my pillow sandals $25 their games of six-pack towels, you guessed it $25 their new four-pack of dish towels $25 is the entire chair, yeah right, that's real, yeah, I know, I mean, but you know we laugh, but it's our democracy, which we laugh at, but you know that Donald Trump and his Copan are getting closer and closer to the White House if we are not clear. about the vision that Biden is presenting, I mean the fact that we now have family members running the RNC, we would always say look at those other countries, that's ridiculous, it's a little other country, a little other country, but we, we always we have done.

He had some kind of myth about who we are as a nation and Donald Trump has made the case that he has shown that the emperor has no clothes and now that we have his daughter-in-law running the RNC it may not work for them the way they plan, but it is really dangerous , if he returns, you may have to slide your car to enter the White House. I can see that that might be the way it has to go. I never thought he would have done it. I talk a lot about foam pillows in my life but this guy keeps coming back and they're actually shitty pillows yeah they're just a bad pillow Pham they're a bad pillow Pham um let's talk a little bit about this renaming idea from dullas now dullas is not the best airport, it could be the worst airport in the United States, uh, uh, the Republicans say: let's name it after Donald Trump.

I love the fact that it's named after one of the most diabolical Secretaries of State who destroyed Iran, uh and In much of Central America let's make things worse, but let's make them worse, so the Democrats have said let's name a prison instead in honor of Trump. name that bears his name, yes, I had to take it off when he went to jail, but yes, it was new. YK went to jail, but he was there for a while, I always wonder when you see hospital wings named after people who have to go to the hospital. they come to you they can talk about it all the time they can talk about it I wonder if it's the same with the first one well I think this is a great opportunity for the nerds at the table to talk about Alan Delis and also about his his brother It was John Foster Dullis.

I think Alen Delas and both of them were involved in the destruction of Guatemala and Iran, so I feel like that's important and that's given me the opportunity. They already changed the name to National Reagan, which I refuse to call it. um but I think the naming of airports and institutions is really important and so you know something like Dallas, as we rethink the naming of certain institutions, it's a very valid conversation for us, but Donald Trump because he's still a active member in politics, but also remains an active client or in various court cases in various states.

I don't think we should have that conversation. Honestly, I'd rather we both have ties to Florida. I would rather Florida Democrats focus. maybe think about how you can deliver florida to the democrats in 2024 and get a super fair governor, okay hello everyone, MSNBC has a new and improved app, you will receive real-time alerts and analysis, live blogs, essays in depth, featured videos and the best 2024 election coverage, download the new MSNBC app, here's how. Tap the App Store on your phone, press search in the bottom right corner, type MSNBC, click on the MSNBC app, click get or cloud icon and enjoy it